Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, January 19 2009 Volume 12 : Number 973 In this issue: local item: RCMP investigating assault on foot bridge Which animal can't jump? Re: Alta - Métis hunter to fight for rights- The Edmonton Journal Re: Which animal can't jump? Craig's List: To the Guy Who Mugged Me *Humour* "WWF-Canada and the Ont. MNR Partner to Fund Research on..." Yet another definition of an expert Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #972 [U.K. Deadliest weapon so far] Toronto Star: Clerks working alone are victims in two holdups Toronto Star - Homeowner charged after guns stolen Toronto Star - Man arrested in Forest Hill robbery Toronto Star - Police charge 4 with kidnapping Re: Yet another definition of an expert Montreal Gazette - Man shot in car dies Re: Toronto Star - Homeowner charged after guns stolen Re: Afgan gun production, A Must Watch (Sound On) ! Brady Campaign Sends Obama its Gun Control Wish List ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:31:05 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: local item: RCMP investigating assault on foot bridge A local item from the Quesnel Cariboo Observer: "RCMP investigating assault on foot bridge" Monday at 1:30 pm, a female claims she was walking on the west side of the Moffat foot bridge when she was struck from behind by two male suspects. RCMP ask anyone who may have witnessed this attack to come forward and assist in the investigation." http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_cariboo/quesnelobserver/news/37722109.html No mention of motive; i.e. robbery, molestation, etc. This is our famous wooden bridge over the Fraser River, dedicated to foot traffic only. It's a great way to commute by bike or as a pedestrian from West Quesnel into the downtown business core. The parallel steel/concrete bridge carries the heavy road traffic and logging trucks. It is a known trouble spot and has a phone with a direct line installed midway. Many people I know, particularly women, tell me they will NOT use this bridge at dusk, night or if there are people loitering on it. This daylight attack is rare, but not unknown. When in town and with time to spare, I make it a point to stroll across the bridge and have had to stare down 2-3 individuals who tend to congregate near the phone. I make a point out of addressing them directly, commenting on the day and turning in such a manner as to show the folding knife sheath on my belt. The message? 'No victim here'. Haven't had a problem - yet. TB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:47:27 -0500 From: "Barry Glasgow" Subject: Which animal can't jump? To: , I believe that would be the elephant. Strangely enough, it's a great swimmer. Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:04:39 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Alta - Métis hunter to fight for rights- The Edmonton Journal - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" To: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Alta - Métis hunter to fight for rights- The Edmonton Journal > > PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal > DATE: 2009.01.19 > EDITION: Final > SECTION: Cityplus > PAGE: A10 > > ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: Bruce Edwards, The Journal, file / The sunsets > over a lone tipi near Cessford in east-central Alberta, where Métis > hunters organized a hunt last year at this time in defiance of the > province's decision to ban out-of-season hunting. > > DATELINE: EDMONTON > BYLINE: Darcy Henton > SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal > WORD COUNT: 853 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Métis hunter to fight for rights > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Guilty until you prove your innocence ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: Which animal can't jump? I heard that Antelope cannot jump. It was some hunting program that said that while deer learned how to jump over the fences, the antelope in western states never did. Barry Glasgow wrote: To: > I believe that would be the elephant. > Strangely enough, it's a great swimmer. > > Barry Glasgow > Woodlawn, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:17:20 -0700 From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Craig's List: To the Guy Who Mugged Me *Humour* * This has been floating around for a while now, but what the Hell eh. CFD Moderator- DRGJ MY OUTDOOR ZONE http://www.myoutdoorzone.com/ Posted to Craig's List Personals: To the Guy Who Mugged Me Downtown (Downtown, Savannah ) http://www.myoutdoorzone.com/forum/topic/show?id=2155736%3ATopic%3A159213 Reply to: pers-982078099@ craigslist.org [?] Date: 2009-01-06, 3:43AM EST I was the white guy with the black Burberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings. I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like to apologize. I didn't expect you to crap your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that evening, and it wasn't that cold outside. You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it? I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again. I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself some gas on your card. I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet, then I threw the wallet itself in a dumpster. I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Alltel recently shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service. I was about to make some threatening phone calls to the DA's office with it. Oh well. So, about your pants. I know that I was a little rough on you when you did this whole attempted mugging thing, so I'd like to make it up to you. I'm sure you've already washed your pants, so I'd like to help you out. I'd like to reimburse you for the detergent you used on the pants. What brand did you use, and was it liquid or powder? I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky. If you read this message, email me and we'll do lunch and laundry. Peace! - - XXXXXXXX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:23:49 -0500 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: "WWF-Canada and the Ont. MNR Partner to Fund Research on..." Subject: "WWF-Canada and the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources Partner to Fund Research on Species at Risk" WWF-Canada and the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources Partner to Fund Research on Species at Risk TORONTO, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - Dec. 23, 2008) http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Wwf-Canada-933132.html WWF-Canada and the Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) today announced a new fund designed to encourage scientific research on species at risk. The one-year pilot program will provide up to $400,000 to researchers working to understand and help recover Ontario species that have been listed as "at risk" by the Committee on the Status of Species at Risk in Ontario (COSSARO). Currently over 180 species in Ontario have been listed as at risk. The program will be reviewed at its conclusion to determine the most appropriate and cost effective approach for future funding years. "We are very pleased to partner with the MNR to protect species at risk in Ontario," said Dr. Peter Ewins, Director, Species Conservation, WWF-Canada. "Without such a program, the critical research needed to help bring back those species at the brink of extinction would not be possible. I congratulate the MNR for helping to make this happen." "My ministry is proud to join WWF-Canada in supporting the kind of science-based research that will help us reverse the rate of species decline in Ontario and maintain our province's wealth of biodiversity," said Natural Resources Minister Donna Cansfield. The deadline for applications is January 16, 2009. 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The alternate explanation is al-Qaeda is experimenting with ways to spread plague to the West but hasn't perfected a delivery technique. An alternate explanation for that alternate explanation is they just completed their first successful test on human subjects. However ......consider the source of the report. The Sun in the UK is even less reliable than the Sun here D. R. Goodbrand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:06:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Toronto Star: Clerks working alone are victims in two holdups http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Crime/article/573511 Clerks working alone are victims in two holdups Jan 19, 2009 12:32 PM Adrian Morrow Staff Reporter Two clerks working alone at stores north of the city escaped unharmed after being held up by armed men in separate robberies. The first holdup happened around 6:15 p.m. Saturday, when three men - including one who had a silver handgun - held up Marcello Jewellers, on Highway 7 near Martin Grove Rd. in Woodbridge. An employee working alone in the store handed over money and an assortment of jewelry, and the three men fled. The man with the gun is described as white, with a skinny build and wearing a dark jacket. His accomplices are described as white men, one standing five-foot-nine or five-foot-ten inches tall, unshaven with black hair and wearing a three-quarter-length beige coat and dark pants; the other being tall with dark hair and wearing a thin black jacket and a cap. Yesterday, a man robbed a lingerie store in Richmond Hill. He walked into Private Pleasures, in a strip mall at Yonge St. and Elgin Mills Rd., around 3:30 p.m. and struck up a conversation with the lone clerk in the store as if he was a customer. Then he pulled out a foot-long knife and demanded cash from her. The clerk took some money from the register and gave it to him, and he fled. The clerk wasn't hurt. The man is described as a 22- to 25-year-old Middle Eastern man, standing between five-foot-seven and five-foot-nine with a medium build. He was wearing a hooded, waist-length, red winter coat encircled by a thin white strip, blue jeans, black winter boots, dark gloves and a grey scarf over his face. He also had a faded balaclava or baseball cap under his hood. "We will see robberies occur at or near closing time when (robbers) know there's cash on hand and there might only be one or two employees," said York Regional Police Const. Marina Orlovski. She indicated that the two clerks did the right thing in handing over the money and goods rather than trying to fight off the suspects. "We never want anyone to put themselves in harm's way to protect their property from being stolen," she said. Anyone with information on either robbery can contact York Regional Police at 1-866-876-5423 ext. 6630, or send Crime Stoppers an anonymous tip at 1-800-222-TIPS. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Toronto Star - Homeowner charged after guns stolen http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Crime/article/555489 Homeowner charged after guns stolen Alex Cooper Staff Reporter Dec 17, 2008 04:43 PM A homeowner faces charges after two firearms were stolen from his Rexdale home. Police responded to the break-in on Monday. It is alleged that two legally registered firearms and a quantity of ammunition were stolen and that they were not stored in a safe manner. The homeowner is charged with careless storage of firearms and careless storage of ammunition. Police say the accused will not be identified. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Toronto Star - Man arrested in Forest Hill robbery http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/573379 Man arrested in Forest Hill robbery Jan 19, 2009 06:07 AM Alex Cooper Staff Reporter Toronto police arrested a man Sunday in connection with the robbery of an elderly man in Forest Hill. The incident occurred at around 8:00 p.m. Sunday when the suspect introduced himself to the victim and offered to clean the eavestroughs of his home. The elderly man agreed and the accused did do some cleaning, however he demanded more money from the victim than was agreed upon and asked for money for work he did not do. The victim refused to pay so the accused forced his way into the house and physically assaulted the victim, taking his wallet before fleeing. Police arrested the man in the vicinity shortly afterwards. Brian Bingley, 48, of Toronto, faces six charges including robbery, break and enter, and fail to comply with probation. Anyone with information is asked to call 13 Division at 416-808-1304 or to remain anonymous call; crimestoppers at 416-222-TIPS (8477) or www.222tips.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:13:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Toronto Star - Police charge 4 with kidnapping http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Crime/article/573145 Police charge 4 with kidnapping Jan 18, 2009 12:05 PM Adrian Morrow Staff Reporter Four people have been charged with robbery, forcible confinement and firearms offences after allegedly holding three other people at gunpoint for more than 12 hours and taking them around the city, Toronto police said today. The kidnapping appears to have started on Friday after a drug deal went bad. Four people held the victims, threatened them and demanded money. The victims were held in several different houses across Toronto. They were eventually taken to an address on St. Dennis Dr., near the intersection of Eglinton Ave. E. and Don Mills Rd., where police caught up to them. Police arrested three men and a woman, and discovered a loaded gun at the scene. Further searches turned up another gun and some drugs. Ronald Burgess, 36, Gregory Davis, 35, John Ignagni, 25, and Tammy Massicotte, 31, were arrested. Together, they face 40 charges, including armed robbery, kidnapping and extortion. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:39:00 -0700 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: Re: Yet another definition of an expert And ever since then, i've been a professional. MED - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Martindale" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Yet another definition of an expert > "expert" - pronounced ex-spurt > ex - former > spurt - drip of water, under pressure > expert - former drip, under pressure. > > 8-) > > W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Montreal Gazette - Man shot in car dies http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/shot+dies/1193088/story.html Man shot in car dies The Gazette January 19, 2009 5:03 AM A 37-year-old man died of his injuries yesterday after being gunned down in his car Friday in Montreal North, police said. This is the third homicide of the year; at this point last year there had been one homicide. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:45:37 -0700 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: Re: Toronto Star - Homeowner charged after guns stolen Stolen cars are a big thing in Canada, Jewllery, Money and Computers, and yet a Gun Owner gets CHARGED with a Criminal Offence, because his House was Broken into, and Guns are Stolen. There's no Discrimination here, is there. Only in Canada, eh..?? SCRAP THE FIREARMS ACT Med Crotteau - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Toronto Star - Homeowner charged after guns stolen > http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Crime/article/555489 > > Homeowner charged after guns stolen > > Alex Cooper > Staff Reporter > Dec 17, 2008 04:43 PM > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:43:21 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Afgan gun production, A Must Watch (Sound On) ! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: "Firearms Digest (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: FW: Afgan gun production, A Must Watch (Sound On) ! > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Mauser [mailto:mauser@sfu.ca] > Sent: January 18, 2009 5:03 PM > To: Gary Mauser > Subject: *Fwd: Afgan gun production, A Must Watch (Sound On) ! > > fyi > > Cordially, > > Gary Mauser > mauser@sfu.ca > http://www.vbs.tv/full_screen.php?s=DGFE2305DC&sc=1363196 > > Begin forwarded message: > > JUST TO LET YOU KNOW ..WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST..AND WHY THIS WAR WILL GO ON > AND ON.. I just watched this video clip and it confirms what the Mongols under Ghengis Khan said " When the Mongols took up Chinese ways they became soft and eventually lost their empire. Much as we are soft today ,in western society, in comparison to these resourceful people. The Mongols were the only conquerors to invade Afghanistan and subdue it. They conquered all of Asia and the Mideast and parts of Europe . They had the largest territory under their command of any conqueror . They once covered 270 miles on horseback in 3 days when on a mission. If they got hungry while on the march? , they cut their horses jugular vein and drank some of the blood and then sewed it up again. They revered water, and never washed,only with urine . Needless to say they stank quite badly and the stink of them,and their merciless tactics defeated the Chinese.And I would say anybody else who was in their way? From the book :THE HUMAN STORY by James C. Davis. MY WORDS HERE. The point I am trying to make is that the MORE deprived the human society/ body is,? the more they can find and endure ways to subdue their deprivations . It seems hardships ,make them stronger.What WE call hardships. The guns they make here in the video look as good as any I have seen anywhere , considering they are all custom made by hand? It seems ,necessity, is the mother of invention ? or guns . ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:33:46 -0700 From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Brady Campaign Sends Obama its Gun Control Wish List OPPOSING VIEWS OPINION: Brady Campaign Sends Obama its Gun Control Wish List http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-brady-campaign-sends-obama-its - -gun-control-wish-list No one, including the Brady Campaign, seriously believes that Barack Obama was elected president because of his support for gun control. But Brady is pretending that it provided Obama the margin of victory in November, and has provided him with a very long list of gun bans and other restrictions that it expects from him in return. If for no other reason, Obama might want to tell Brady "no," because if he were to do their bidding, they would be sure to demand that he do even more. That's demonstrated by Brady's statement that their current request "is not intended to present an exhaustive list . . . but does provide a starting point." It includes: A California-style "assault weapons" ban. For several years, Brady has referred to California's ban--which is far more restrictive than the federal ban of 1994-2004--as the "model" for the rest of the nation. Brady doesn't say so, but it clearly supports--as does the Violence Policy Center--the California--like ban that Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) has proposed in Congress since before the 1994 semi-automatic firearm ban expired. Among its differences from the 1994 ban, the McCarthy bill would ban rifles like the AR-15, even if they do not have a flash suppressor, bayonet mount, or adjustable-position stock. It would ban the M1, the M1 Carbine, the Ruger Mini-14 series, the SKS, and many other semi-automatic rifles not previously labeled as "assault weapons." And it would ban every semi-automatic shotgun, by banning its receiver. Brady wants .50 caliber rifles banned as well. A ban on standard magazines designed for self-defense. Brady calls them "high-capacity," but magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are designed for self-defense, as demonstrated by the fact that most guns that use standard defensive magazines (those holding more than 10 rounds) are handguns designed for self-defense, and used for that purpose by private citizens, law enforcement officers, and military personnel alike. Now's as good a time as any to dispel one blatant lie that Brady includes with its wish list. Brady says, "Beginning with the Brady Law in 1993, the assault weapon ban in 1994, and other Clinton Administration policies, our nation experienced an historic decline in gun crime and violence," adding, "during the Bush years, gun crime increased as the Administration and Congress . . . allowed the assault weapons ban to expire [and] gave the gun industry special legal protection." The truth is, violent crime began declining in 1991, three years before the Brady Act and the semi-automatic firearm ban, and more than a year before Bill Clinton took office. And, the nation's violent crime rate has declined another eight percent since President Bush took office. Moreover, in 1998, the Brady Act's waiting period on gun sales ceased, because it was replaced by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which the Brady Campaign has always opposed (though they try to take credit for it today, inappropriately referring to NICS checks as "Brady checks.") And, contrary to Brady's prediction that crime rates would soar if the semi-automatic firearm ban expired, the ban expired in 2004, and since then violent crime rates have been lower than anytime in the last 31 years. Repeal the recent Department of the Interior rule allowing state law to determine how firearms may be carried in National Parks and wildlife refuges. Brady offers no evidence to support its hunch that allowing permit-holders to carry concealed firearms "would increase the risk of gun crime, injury and death in the parks and wildlife refuges." But as for Brady's hunches, for the last 20 years it has predicted that allowing people to carry guns for protection will cause murder rates to soar, but people now carry guns for protection in 40 states and since 1999, murder rates have been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment and the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). Brady complains that the Tiahrt Amendment "restricts disclosure of the data to law enforcement," and prevents the BATFE from disclosing firearm-tracing data to the public. The first claim is a lie. The amendment allows BATFE to provide the data to any law enforcement agency involved in a bona fide investigation related to a traced firearm. Tracing data is not released to the public so that, among other reasons, criminals won't know that the police are investigating them. Brady should just tell the truth, for once: even though the BATFE and Congressional Research Service repeatedly state that tracing data are not reliable enough to draw conclusions about the criminal use of guns generally, Brady wants the data so it can concoct bogus claims to use in lawsuits against firearm manufacturers who comply with every applicable firearm law. These lawsuits are currently prohibited by the PLCAA, which Brady hopes to overturn. Require all firearm sales to go through NICS (advocated by Mr. Obama's choice for Attorney General, Eric Holder), and allow the FBI to retain the records of all NICS-approved firearm transfers. It used to be that Brady claimed that the only private transfers that it wanted run through NICS were those taking place at gun shows. Now, it's all private transfers, including gifts between family members and sales or trades between friends. And, it wants the FBI to record all transfers. Translation: Gun and gun owner registration, no two ways about it. Allow a NICS check to reject someone whose name is on an FBI watch list. This is yet another idea recommended by prospective Attorney General Holder and Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel. The obvious problem with it is that you can get on one of these lists by having the same name as a suspected criminal or terrorist, and if you are on a list, you may not be able to determine which one you are on, much less get yourself removed. Sen. Ted Kennedy even ended up on a "no fly" list, for reasons that have not been made public. Prohibit the sale of more than one handgun to a single individual in a 30-day period, in order to thwart "large-volume" illegal gun traffickers. Federal law already requires a dealer to report to law enforcement authorities whenever a person buys more than one handgun in a five-day period. This proposal amounts to the rationing of a constitutional right with no crime-reduction benefit. Require all new guns to micro-stamp ammunition with serial numbers linking the owner in a federal gun-owner registration database. Most crimes are solved by other means, not by ammunition markings, and criminals could easily deface the firearm parts that would bear the serial numbers. Brady's agenda isn't about solving crimes; for them micro-stamping is another way of achieving gun and gun owner registration. Require consumer safety standards for firearms. Even the vehemently anti-gun Violence Policy Center has said this would lead to standards too difficult for firearm manufacturers to achieve, thus ending firearm production. We close with yet another Brady lie, "These proposals are clearly constitutional under the U.S. Supreme Court's recent Second Amendment decision in District of Columbia v. Heller and they pose no threat to the interests of law-abiding gun owners." Heller clearly said that laws cannot deprive people of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for defensive purposes. As for "the interests of gun owners," we'll follow the Supreme Court's example, and let gun owners speak for themselves. The Court declared D.C.'s handgun ban unconstitutional because gun owners consider handguns to be the type of firearm best suited for self-defense. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #973 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)