Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, February 15 2009 Volume 13 : Number 050 In this issue: Re: Gun laws in 1898 Facebook: Support Bill C-301 Top brass issue new challenge to B.C.'s gangsters Group Advocates for Concealed Weapons to Protect ... BCWF Supports Proposed New Gun Bill Tennessee: Handgun Permit Holder Kills Somebody, Police Say Letter to the editor re: Washington Post: ... SUNDAY HUNTING COMING TO SASKATCHEWAN Saskatchewan approves Sunday hunt TStar - 4 dead after shootings at Rochester hospital and home Gun Owners Checked Daily ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:30:25 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Gun laws in 1898 - --- On Sun, 2/15/09, 10x <10x@telus.net> wrote: > From: 10x <10x@telus.net> > Subject: Gun laws in 1898 > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Received: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 7:54 AM > So tell us, did the makers of this video really check on the > gun laws in > Canada during the Klondike gold rush? > Did they put words in Sam Steele's mouth? > Or was Sam Steele making up this up on the spot? >=20 > http://cgnnightmare.wordpress.com/20...this-vignette/ >=20 > The Criminal Code of Canada enacted in 1892, required > individuals to have a > permit to carry a pistol unless the owner had cause to fear > assault or > injury. It was an offence to sell a pistol to anyone under > 16. Yeah, this particular vignette always bugged me, too. Here's what Wikipedia has to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klondike_gold_rush Stampeders had to carry a year's supply of goods - about a ton, more than half of it food - over the passes to be allowed to enter Canada. At the top of the passes, the stampeders encountered Canada's North West Mounted Police (NWMP and now the Royal Canadian Mounted Police) post that enforced that regulation, as well as customs and duties. It was put in place to avert shortages like those that had occurred in the previous two winters in Dawson City, and also to restrict the entry of guns, particularly handguns, into British territory. Another reason was to keep out of Canadian territory the criminal element which had established itself in Skagway and the other Yukon Ports (then still claimed as British territory), as well as the fears by British and Canadian authorities about a possible armed takeover of the goldfields as an American territory. And about Yukon Territory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukon_territory In the 19th century, Yukon was a segment of the Hudson's Bay Company- administered North-Western Territory and then the Canadian-administered Northwest Territories. It only obtained a recognizable local government in 1895 when it became a separate district of the Northwest Territories.[21] In 1898, it was made a separate territory with its own commissioner and appointed Territorial Council.[22] One might presume that being Americans (in the vignette, anyway), they wouldn't have said permit, so they would be required to surrender their guns or leave. I like the fact that Don S. Davis plays the American. Yours in LIBERTY Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, February 15, 2009 11:28 am From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Facebook: Support Bill C-301 Sign up for Facebook to join Support Bill C-301 NOTE: 858 members as of 9 PM Saturday February 14, 2009 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=196f859e21b9323c73c41be235cc9c2f&gid=64554758265 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, February 15, 2009 11:54 am From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Top brass issue new challenge to B.C.'s gangsters PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2009.02.15 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A10 BYLINE: John Bermingham SOURCE: The Province WORD COUNT: 354 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Top brass issue new challenge to gangsters - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The top brass from every walk of law enforcement threw down the gauntlet to B.C.'s gangsters on Friday. In the words of Premier Gordon Campbell, who challenged the criminals directly: "You are not welcome in our province. You are not welcome on our streets, in our neighbourhoods, in our communities or anywhere in B.C." B.C.'s new seven-point action plan on gangs calls for more cops, more prosecutors and tougher laws to put them behind bars, and to keep them there. It calls for a clampdown on illegal guns, including machine-guns -- the new status symbol for today's gangster. Plans are also afoot to outlaw armoured vehicles that can withstand a bomb blast, and body armour. And it calls on the public to help investigators, with a new gang hotline and a tip-rewards program. "We are going to rid our streets of gangs," promised Campbell. "We are going to drive gangs out of B.C." Attorney-General Wally Oppal and Solicitor-General John van Dongen will be heading to Ottawa soon to meet with their federal counterparts. "Our objective in going there is pointing out some of the sections of the criminal code are outdated," said Oppal. They'll be asking for new powers to wiretap BlackBerrys and cellphones, and more stringent bail and disclosure laws, which haven't been updated since 1973. B.C. also wants to take over gun control in the province. The provincial government has also committed 168 additional police officers and 10 Crown prosecutors to curb gang violence. The first 131 officers will be placed immediately, with the rest following in one year. The majority of the gang officers will operate in the Lower Mainland, with two 16-member satellite gang units working in Prince George and Kelowna. Another 10-member weapons enforcement team will be dedicated to seizing illegal firearms. Campbell promised 304 new jail cells in Burnaby, Maple Ridge and Prince George so that criminals aren't released because of a lack of prison space. But the biggest push to get gang members off B.C. streets will be through prosecution. "It's not so much to make them fear, it's more about catching them and putting them behind bars so they don't harm the public," said Oppal. The B.C. government also added $1 million to youth education programs aimed at preventing teens from joining gangs. Mayors who spoke with The Province on Friday all agree that the gangsters of tomorrow are sitting in the classrooms of today. jbermingham@theprovince.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:01:03 -0500 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Group Advocates for Concealed Weapons to Protect ... ... Against College Shootings PUBLICATION: The Washington Post DATE: 2009.02.15 SECTION: Metro PAGE: C05 BYLINE: Brigid Schulte WORD COUNT: 947 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= Students Aim for Gun Rights on Campus Group Advocates for Concealed Weapons to Protect Against College Shootings - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= HARRISONBURG, Va., Feb. 14 -- Kyle Smith agreed to play the bad guy. In a scenario eerily designed to imitate the Virginia Tech massacre, when a lone gunman shot and killed 32 people in the nine minutes it took for campus police to respond, Smith burst into a classroom here Saturday, his right index finger pointed as if it were a gun drawn, and immediately "shot" the teacher between the eyes. "You people treated me wrong," the freshman yelled, a little sheepishly. "I just can't take it anymore." As the four students in the room screamed, hit the floor and crouched under desks, he methodically fired five more shots with his finger and "killed" them all. In 23 seconds, it was over. "You're all dead," Shawn Deehan, a gun rights advocate from GunRightsWeek. org, told the jeans- clad James Madison University students crumpled on the floor and waiting for his cue that the reenactment was over. "A great rate of response from law enforcement is six minutes. Six minutes. If you don't care if you live or die, that's a suitable response. But if you're concerned about living another day, another minute, then that's too long." Then Deehan reran the scenario the way he and other gun rights advocates would prefer: with the teacher and two students carrying concealed weapons. Only Utah allows students and teachers to carry weapons on college campuses. Most other states leave it to the discretion of university administrators. And nearly all -- save Blue Ridge Community College in Virginia and Colorado State University -- have decreed that weapons on campus are a bad idea. The Virginia Tech massacre gave rise to two opposing and equally passionate movements. Many of the victims' friends and families founded Students for Gun Free Schools. They say guns are the last thing that college campuses, already hotbeds of hormones, alcohol and heated emotions, need. Yesterday's demonstration came courtesy of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus's JMU chapter, which was chartered in January. Both groups agree that the pro-gun group is winning the numbers game. Students for Gun Free Schools has about 12,000 members on Facebook. The Concealed Carry group, with members in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, has more than 36,000. Efforts by gun rights advocates to allow students and teachers to carry concealed weapons on campus have never gotten out of committee in the gun-friendly Virginia legislature the past four years. And a spate of attempts to introduce similar bills in a number of states since the Virginia Tech shooting have failed. But gun rights advocates say the battle is just beginning. And the battleground now, they say, is the hearts and minds and trigger fingers of students themselves. What better way to create converts and advocates, they say, than to put them in the shoes of Virginia Tech victims and let them feel the difference between being defenseless and having the power to take action. For the second scenario, bad guy Smith again barged into the classroom and again whacked the teacher between the eyes. But this time, Kelly Clouston and Leah Sargent, students at James Madison, bounced up out of their seats, assumed a wide-legged stance and pointed their "gun" fingers at Smith, not forgetting to pull their hands back slightly to imitate a pistol's recoil after they fired. Smith fell to the floor four seconds after he'd entered. "See? One person, maybe two, got shot and it's over," Deehan said proudly. "This is the reality with concealed carry. It's over." Clouston and Sargent high-fived each other. He counseled the students on their classroom shooting technique: "It would be better to drop to the floor on your belly and shoot up." But Omar Samaha, one of the organizers of the opposing Students for Gun Free Schools whose sister was killed in the massacre, said that these reenactments, in addition to being "disrespectful," prove nothing. "The way they're setting it up, these students are aware of what's about to happen. It's not like that in a crisis," he said. "When you talk to survivors, they say there's no time to react. There's complete chaos. They say that if there were guns in the classroom, it just would have been so much worse. A lot of students are missing the point here, which is prevention, not reaction." Samaha's group recently posted videos on YouTube of very different scenarios with guns on campus. In a short film titled "The Bully," a classroom tussle turns deadly when three students whip out handguns and point them at fellow students' heads. Yesterday's demonstration, in a classroom at the Top Gun Shooting Range in Harrisonburg, was just one of a number of Virginia Tech classroom shooting scenarios that gun rights advocates had been staging all week at JMU, using Nerf guns, plastic toy rifles and fingers. Organizers said more than 100 students and community members came to hear lectures about gun rights, watch the two Virginia Tech scenarios and spend a sunny day shooting actual pistols at the firing range. "We want people to understand that guns can be safe and guns can be fun," Katie Cannon said. The College Republicans' event coordinator helped organize the gun rights week. Sargent, a senior music education major, donned thick plastic glasses and screwed bright orange earplugs into her ears. "The line is hot!" organizers called out. "Fire away!" She picked up a Glock 19 9mm and stared down its sights. Pa CHA. The gun discharged. Bull's-eye. "This is really fun. I loved it," Sargent said after her target shooting session. "I'm really proud of this." She unfurled her target, with a cluster of holes directly in the center of the bull's-eye. "She's a natural," one of the instructors said admiringly. She tucked her long blond hair behind one ear and smiled. A spent bullet casing dropped to the floor. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:52:25 -0500 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: BCWF Supports Proposed New Gun Bill BCWF Supports Proposed New Gun Bill http://www.bcwf.bc.ca/documents/s=3D478/bcw1234306391312/ Vancouver - February 10, 2009. The BC Wildlife Federation would like to congratulate Yorkton-Melville M.P. Garry Breitkreuz for the introduction of a new firearms bill, Bill C-301. This proposed legislation will eliminate the wasteful long gun registry and remove many of the onerous regulations associated with the act that have no effect on public safety. Bill C-301 would introduce a number of changes to the Firearms Act, including: 1) Elimination of the costly, flawed and ineffective long gun registry; 2) Streamlining the licensing system; and 3) calling for a cost/benefit audit of the Firearms Program every five years to ensure that Canadian taxpayers are receiving maximum benefit for money spent. "We support the legislation introduced earlier today by Garry Breitkreuz. He has worked tirelessly to help create a rational and cost effective firearms program that focuses on the prevention of crime, not the excessive regulation of law abiding firearms owners", said B.C.W.F. Executive Director Patti MacAhonic. "The Harper government should be applauded for their ongoing attempts to focus the firearms debate on the real problem, the illegal use of firearms by criminals, not the responsible use of firearms by hunters, farmers and recreational sport shooters. Mr. Breitkreuz's is following that theme". Bill C-68, which created the long gun registry introduced by a former Liberal government, was predicted to cost only $2 million, however it has cost Canadian taxpayers almost $2 billion. Bill C-68 was supposed to enhance public safety but because it focused on regulating the law abiding citizen rather than controlling criminals, it has not been able to achieve this goal. The Breitkreuz bill is the latest in a number of firearms bills that have been introduced to Parliament whose aim has been to eliminate the long gun registry. "The Canadian public has become disillusioned with this expensive waste of taxpayer's funds and it has become increasingly obvious that those who in the early 1990's predicted long gun registration would become a sink-hole for funds, with no benefit to public safety, were right." Ms. MacAhonic said, "No amount of money spent regulating the law abiding public will control criminals, you just can't legislate against the mindset of criminal gangs." For further information contact Patti MacAhonic, Executive Director of the BCWF at 604-291-9990 extension 230 or email us: patti@bcwf.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:25:40 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Tennessee: Handgun Permit Holder Kills Somebody, Police Say Handgun Permit Holder Kills Somebody, Police Say [blog] http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2009/02/handgun_permit_holder_kills_so.php By Jeff Woods in Law and Order, Legislature, Politics, Woods Thursday, Feb. 12 2009 @ 5:46AM Ever since Tennessee enacted what was immediately derided as the "Wild West" handgun permit law, letting supposedly law-abiding citizens go armed just about everywhere, gun nuts and their lapdogs in the legislature have contended that their critics' fears were unfounded. Not one of the tens of thousands of people with handgun permits have ever committed a crime, they have argued. Most recently, Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey went on at great length in this vein, mocking the media for raising questions about the law. It's likely to be expanded this session to allow people to go strapped into saloons and state parks. Well, proponents of tighter gun laws finally have their Exhibit A. In the Memphis suburb of Cordova, a guy in a Hummer got into an argument with a guy in a Yukon Denali outside an Italian restaurant. One giant SUV was parked too close to the other. So the guy in the Hummer went back to his car, came back with his gun and killed the other guy with a point-blank bullet to the chest, police say. Ray Coleman, who has owned a state permit to carry a handgun since 2006, is charged with second-degree murder. "While maintaining his innocence," his lawyer says, "he's regretful and sorry that the man lost his life." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:26:27 -0400 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Letter to the editor re: Washington Post: ... ...Group Advocates for Concealed Weapons to Protect Against College Shootings Thank you for this article which raises the very apt issue of every person's right to effective personal self defense. Of course those who thrive on the culture of abject helpless victimhood, in vogue for the last thirty years, will disagree. They say that re-enacting a mass killing for the purpose of learning effective defensive strategies is somehow "disrespectful". I note that its only disrespectful when it disagrees with the lefties beliefs. They, on the other hand, can trot out their annual grief fests and no one seems to think that bathing in the blood of the fallen every year is more disrespectful than teaching people how not to get killed in the first place. These zealots claim the moral high ground because they or someone they know or have heard about was a "victim". All that shows is that their way of viewing dangerous situations simply doesn't work. It says nothing about their qualifications to intelligently discuss self defense. They claim that defensive sidearms would give no advantage, because the situation is too chaotic. If that were the case then why do police carry them? I'm sure that the survivors of gun free zone rampages say there was nothing they could do. That just proves the point: helplessness is no defense. But when you talk to the many more survivors of scenes where CCW saved life, you get a different reaction altogether. There you get, "Thank God the bad guy wasn't the only one armed". - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:29:46 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: SUNDAY HUNTING COMING TO SASKATCHEWAN SUNDAY HUNTING COMING TO SASKATCHEWAN http://www.gov.sk.ca/news?newsId=ae133b9e-d3b1-4f74-ac77-0d063f2d1286 Hunters will enjoy an additional day of hunting in Saskatchewan, with province-wide Sunday hunting for all game species and hunters beginning with the 2009 hunting season. This will bring Saskatchewan in line with the vast majority of North American jurisdictions, which already have Sunday hunting. "Sunday hunting will provide economic benefits to our rural economy and strengthen tourism and recreational hunting opportunities," Environment Minister Nancy Heppner said. A 2006 economic evaluation of hunting done for the Ministry of Environment showed that the total hunting-related expenditure in the province was $107 million and hunting created the equivalent of 1,000 full-time jobs. "Bringing in Sunday hunting will lead to an additional $9 million in total expenditures," Heppner added. That estimate is from a July 2008 survey and analysis contracted by the ministry. The Ministry of Environment will continue to ensure that wildlife resources are managed to provide priority to First Nations and Métis people under their Aboriginal and Treaty rights, after conservation needs are met. - -30- For more information, contact: Michele McEachern Environment Regina Phone: 306-787-0412 Email: michele.mceachern@gov.sk.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:23:14 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Saskatchewan approves Sunday hunt Saskatchewan approves Sunday hunt The Canadian Press; February 15, 2009 > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090215.wsundayhunt0215/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostview REGINA — Saskatchewan's environment minister used a speech to the annual convention of the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation to announce that Sunday hunting will be allowed across the province starting this fall. Nancy Heppner is predicting a $10-million boost to Saskatchewan's rural economy by allowing hunting on both days of the weekend, as is currently the case in many U.S. states. “Hunting generates over $100-million for rural and local communities,” Ms. Heppner said after Saturday's announcement. “Opening up an extra day is about nine to ten million dollars additional that will go into those economies.” Opening Sunday hunting will allow those who work Monday to Friday an extra day to enjoy the sport, she said. “I got a note from a 13-year-old who'd gone hunting for the first time this last year and wasn't successful,” Ms. Heppner recounted. “He figured one of the reasons that he wasn't (successful) was that he only had one day.” “He wants to be able to spend time with his Dad and this is a great opportunity to do that.” ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: TStar - 4 dead after shootings at Rochester hospital and home http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/588048 4 dead after shootings at Rochester hospital and home Feb 15, 2009 02:28 PM Be the first to comment on this article... The Associated Press BROCKPORT, N.Y. - A 34-year-old man has been jailed on murder charges after two people were shot dead and a third wounded outside a Rochester- area hospital and a couple were slain at their home in the Finger Lakes region, authorities said. Frank Garcia, of Hamlin, was charged with two counts of first-degree murder and attempted second-degree murder after the shootings about 5 a.m. Saturday in the Lakeside Memorial Hospital parking lot in Brockport, Monroe County Sheriff Patrick O'Flynn said. Police identified the dead as Randall Norman, 41, of Holley, and Mary Sillman, 23, of Albion. Brockport police said a woman who was wounded drove herself to the police station. Friends identified her as Norman's girlfriend, Audra Dillon, 42, of Holley. She was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital in Rochester. Brockport is 17 miles west of Rochester. In Canandaigua, Christopher Glatz, 45, and Kimberly Glatz, 38, were killed inside their home later Saturday, while their teenage children were at home, Ontario County Sheriff Phil Povero said. The 13-year-old boy and 14-year-old girl were traumatized by the slayings of their mother and stepfather, he said, but uninjured and called 911 shortly after the gunman left. Garcia had gone door-to-door in Canandaigua looking for the Glatzes, Povero said. The city in Ontario County is 26 miles southeast of Rochester. Officials did not disclose a motive for the shootings, though Garcia had recently been fired from a job at Lakeside Memorial. Neither of the Glatzes worked there. Rochester police arrested Garcia, who had a loaded .40-caliber Glock pistol, in the parking lot of Tim Hortons about 2:30 p.m., O'Flynn said. Police had been in contact with Garcia by cell phone and "coordinated a safe surrender," he said. Garcia stared straight ahead as he was arraigned Saturday night in Sweden Town Court. He thanked Town Justice William Cody when he entered pleas of not guilty on his behalf. He was sent to Monroe County Jail pending further court proceedings and left without commenting to reporters. Authorities said the case will be presented to a Monroe County grand jury Wednesday. District Attorney Michael Tantillo said first-degree murder charges will also be presented to an Ontario County grand jury. Lorrie Reigle, who visited Dillon in the hospital Saturday night, said her friend described driving Norman to work when they stopped at an altercation between a man and a woman at the Lakeside Hospital parking lot. Norman shouted at the man to leave the woman alone. The man shot Norman, then shot the woman later identified as Sillman, and then shot Dillon as she fled. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:28:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Gun Owners Checked Daily I don't remember who, or where, but someone questioned the fact that gun owners were checked on on a daily basis; I found this in the BC Report on Illegal Firearms: http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/publications/docs/illegalfirearmsreport.pdf Page 20: All holders of a firearms licence are recorded in the Canadian Firearms Information System (CFIS), that every day is automatically run against the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) to determine whether a licence-holder has been the subject of an incident report on CPIC. The CFO automatically receives information on all police incidents that are relevant under the Firearms Act, including CPIC PERSONS records, CPIC Criminal Name Index records and CPIC Document records. The CFO can access the information on these records directly through their access to CPIC. The Firearms Interest Police (FIP) records are pointer to local police indices or records management systems (PROS, PIRS, PRIME, etc); normally indicating there may be relevant police incidents where charges have not been laid and/or where there is no fingerprint identification number. In all other jurisdictions CFO offices can then access at least summary information of the incident from the local police index or record management system in order to determine if a request needs to be made for the full record. In British Columbia given the fact that the office of the CFO does not yet have PRIME access, they must request all records in order to determine if they are relevant under the Firearms Act or if they have been erroneously coded. I never knew this... ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #50 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)