Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, May 17 2009 Volume 13 : Number 266 In this issue: Absolutely frightening statistics] Save lives - ban fishing Re: Chief's blunt talk welcome in Indian Country Re: CFC again ..... Re: CFC again ..... re:CFC again Police short changed by the almighty deity? re:CFC again 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables [NFR] Armed Gang Frees 53 Inmates From Mexican Prison Fw: Sheepdogs What is Wrong with Having a Licence? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:57:21 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Absolutely frightening statistics] Absolutely frightening statistics from Hansard on May 15, 2009: > http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Mode=1&Pub=hansard&Language=E#OOB-2773902 > For example, the government has chosen over the last two and a half > years to give back to big corporations, oil companies, banks and > wealthy Canadians, some $250 billion in tax relief. That is a lot of > money. Today's Petitions: [I thought there was a firearms item headed for Parliament] 1215 - 1230 A number dealing with the Sri Lanka issue Employment insurance Identity theft Canada-Columbia trade agreement This one just won't go away: Mr. Paul Szabo (Mississauga South, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, and as certified by the Clerk of Petitions, I am pleased to present yet another income trust broken promise petition on behalf of my constituent, Mr. Neville Schepmyer. The petitioners remember the Prime Minister boasting about his apparent commitment to accountability when he said “the greatest fraud is a promise not kept”. The petitioners want to remind the Prime Minister that he promised never to tax income trusts. He recklessly broke that promise. He imposed a 31.5% punitive tax, which permanently wiped out over $25 billion of the hard-earned retirement savings of over 2 million Canadians, particularly seniors. The petitioners call upon the Conservative minority government, first, to admit that the decision to tax income trust was based on flawed methodology and incorrect assumptions; secondly, to apologize to those who were unfairly harmed by this broken promise, this tax increase; and finally, to repeal the 31.5% tax on income trusts. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:00:41 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Save lives - ban fishing [Remember 'if it saves just one life'; if we had this any shooting accidents]. Fishing: the cause of more drowning deaths While we revel in water's delights, we too rarely consider its dangers ANDRE PICARD; Globe and Mail; May 14, 2009 > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090514.wlpicard14art1830/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home "Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after," Henry David Thoreau said philosophically. On a more practical note, it is worth observing that at the start of a new fishing season, many men also go fishing and never come home. > In Canada, there were 889 fishing-related water fatalities between > 1991-2000. [Should we try licensing fishers and registering fishing poles]? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:09:03 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Chief's blunt talk welcome in Indian Country Thanks to Eduardo for posting this: > Chief's blunt talk welcome in Indian Country > > Doug Cuthand, Special to The StarPhoenixPublished: Friday, May 15, > 2009 > > http://www2.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/columnists/story.html?id=6ad58aa0-fc73-491b-891f-753a82259b5f > > Change is coming to Indian Country, and it's being driven by > outspoken leaders who aren't afraid to tell it like it is. Their > message is one of motivation and independence. > > The individual who has risen to the status of a national icon is > Chief Clarence Louie of the Osoyoos Indian Band in the South > Okanagan. He became chief in 1985 and inherited a backwater First > Nation deeply in debt. The Osoyoos First Nation had a population of > just 450 and its reserve contains Canada's only desert. Wouldn't you > know it would be on an Indian reserve? > > Today, the band owns 10 businesses with total operating revenues of > $15 million and a workforce of 500. There's so much work that they > are now hiring from the outside, including people from other First > Nations and non-Indians. Among the businesses the band owns are a > vineyard, winery, cement plant and a tourist resort. It's also a > partner in the Baldy Mountain > > Because Chief Louie can point to the success of his band, he has the > credibility to tell it like it is. Why isn't Chief Louie Canada's Minister of Indian Affairs? Do you suppose if we all sent the suggestion along with the article to Harper's Office, the 'light' might switch on? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:16:33 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: CFC again ..... Todd reported: > Yesterday I received in the mail a new PAL card. My current card is still > valid and will be until 2011....... Did you note that 'Crossbows' have mysteriously been dropped from Acquisition on your PAL? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:58:52 -0700 From: Bob Subject: Re: CFC again ..... On Sat, 16 May 2009 16:48:42 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |> |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:03:49 -0700 |>From: "Todd Birch" ROT13 |>Subject: CFC again ..... |>Yesterday I received in the mail a new PAL card. My current card is still |>valid and will be until 2011. |> Good... |>I did not request this, nor have I lost my current card. No reason for the |>new card was stated on the form letter. |> With all the automation involved, it could be another persons request or just about anything...but wait, if it had your picture on it, it means, they keep a record of the picture at Miramichi as well as the whole Card Data.. This should eliminate the problem of getting up-to-date photos and new RP/PAL status' we have to send with all the paperwork even in the new simplified application.. |>Anyone else receive a new card? |> Nope,..........not yet, ......was the NEW CARD ISSUED with the same expiry DATE parameter as you ORIGINAL card, did it have an extension. I assume the New Card was a clone of the original.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:12:03 -0600 From: "Barry Snow" Subject: re:CFC again Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:03:49 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: CFC again Yesterday I received in the mail a new PAL card. My current card is still valid and will be until 2011. I did not request this, nor have I lost my current card. No reason for the new card was stated on the form letter. Anyone else receive a new card? TB "It has nothing to do with power - it's all about control." - ------------------------------ Quite the contrary. They have held my renewal up for six weeks and now are saying that I must either provide a gun club membership or apply for collector status. They say this only applies to post 1998 restricteds. Pre 98 needs no membership. Nice spinning aye? Who says Alberta is opposed to the act?? Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:13:02 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Police short changed by the almighty deity? [Or do they check their brains at the curb when they put on their uniform]. Kids Visiting Prisons Get Stun-Gunned By JESSICA GRESKO, AP > http://news.aol.com/article/florida-prison-shock/485960?icid=main|netscape|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fflorida-prison-shock%2F485960 MIAMI (May 16) - Demonstrations at three Florida prisons where more than 40 children were shocked with stun guns have led to the dismissal of three employees and the resignation of two others, the Department of Corrections said Friday. The incidents took place on April 23, national "Take Our Daughters and Sons to Work Day." As part of demonstrations at two prisons, children held hands in a circle, and one was shocked with the stun gun, passing the shock around the circle. At another prison, children were shocked individually. Taser incidents The police chief of a small Central Texas town was arrested April 6 after he allegedly used a Taser on his wife. Oly Ivy, 30, was charged with aggravated assault. The Oakwood City Council voted to fire him immediately. Ivy's attorney said his client "is taking these allegations very seriously." A cell phone video released in January shows actors Josh Brolin and Jeffrey Wright being arrested after they refused to leave a bar. Wright was repeatedly hit by a Taser. "What are you doing? Why are you still shocking him?" someone yells in the recording. The incident occurred in July 2008. The prosecutor later agreed to drop all charges. Sheriff's deputies Tasered Gladwyn Taft Russ III while trying to arrest the man at his father's funeral. The incident occurred Nov. 15 in Wilmington, N.C., as Russ, who was a pallbearer, was helping to load his father's casket into a hearse. The sheriff later apologized. A pastor filed suit in July against a Toledo, Ohio, hospital after being hit by a Taser and beaten by security guards at the facility. Much of last year's incident outside St. Vincent Mercy Hospital was recorded on video. Campus police wielded Tasers against University of Florida student Andrew Meyer as they tried to remove him from a forum featuring Sen. John Kerry. Meyer cried out, "Don't Tase me, bro!" but was shocked anyway. After video of the Sept. 17, 2007, incident was posted on the Internet, the university opened an investigation that found the campus police officers were justified. A Warren, Ohio, police officer repeatedly jolted Heidi Gill with a Taser during a traffic stop on Sept. 2, 2007. Dashboard video from his cruiser captured Patrolman Richard Kovach hitting Gill with the stun gun while she was handcuffed. She was knocked unconscious. All charges against Gill were dropped. Kovach was later fired from the police force. Police were summoned to the airport in Vancouver, British Columbia, in October 2007 after Robert Dziekanski became upset. A series of mix-ups had left the Polish immigrant stranded there for hours. Although witnesses -- including a man who recorded the confrontation on video -- said they warned police that Dziekanski didn't understand English, officers hit him with a Taser at least twice. Dziekanski died. (Sources: AP, CBS, CBC, TMZ) Also see: Letter a scathing indictment of RCMP GARY MASON; Globe and Mail; May 15, 2009 > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090515.wmason0515/BNStory/National/home It started out as an apology for the role Canada's national police force played in the death of her son, Robert. But in its writing, police psychologist Mike Webster's open letter to Zofia Cisowski became a scathing indictment of the force's leadership. “So how could this happen?” Mr. Webster writes in his letter to Ms. Cisowski. “The short answer is an inept, insular and archaic group of RCMP executives has let the Force fall out of step with 21st Century policing.” Open Letter to Zofia Cisowski > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090515.wmasonletter0515/BNStory/National ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 07:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: re:CFC again - --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Barry Snow wrote: > From: Barry Snow > Subject: re:CFC again > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:12 AM > Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:03:49 > -0700 > > ------------------------------ > Quite the contrary. They have held my renewal up for six > weeks and now are > saying that I must either provide a gun club membership or > apply for > collector status. They say this only applies to post 1998 > restricteds. Pre > 98 needs no membership. Nice spinning aye? Who says Alberta > is opposed to > the act?? > Barry Tell your MP that they are making "rules" up as they go along... I hope you have this in writing. Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:26:21 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables [NFR] http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520331,00.html Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables Friday, May 15, 2009 It could be the ultimate in political control - but it won't be patented in Germany. German media outlets reported last week that a Saudi inventor's application to patent a "killer chip," as the Swiss tabloids put it, had been denied. The basic model would consist of a tiny GPS transceiver placed in a capsule and inserted under a person's skin, so that authorities could track him easily. Model B would have an extra function - a dose of cyanide to remotely kill the wearer without muss or fuss if authorities deemed he'd become a public threat. The inventor said the chip could be used to track terrorists, criminals, fugitives, illegal immigrants, political dissidents, domestic servants and foreigners overstaying their visas. "The invention will probably be found to violate paragraph two of the German Patent Law - which does not allow inventions that transgress public order or good morals," German Patent and Trademark Office spokeswoman Stephanie Krüger told the English-language German-news Web site The Local. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:29:27 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Armed Gang Frees 53 Inmates From Mexican Prison http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520403,00.html Armed Gang Frees 53 Inmates From Mexican Prison Saturday, May 16, 2009 MEXICO CITY - An armed gang freed more than 50 inmates from a prison in central Mexico on Saturday - including two dozen with ties to a powerful drug cartel - in a daring raid that took just five minutes, a state governor said. The prison director, 40 guards and two police commanders who were on duty at the Cieneguillas prison in Zacatecas state were detained for questioning, according to Gov. Amalia Garcia Medina. She said footage from the security cameras inside and outside the prison indicates that guards helped the armed gang, although she did not provide details. "It's clear to us that it was a perfectly planned operation with inside help because it lasted just five minutes and not one shot was fired," Garcia said at a news conference. About 20 gunmen arrived at the prison before dawn in 10 vehicles and freed 53 prisoners, including at least 27 with ties to the Gulf cartel, she said. She said the jailbreak may have been revenge for the recent arrests of drug gang members and the seizure of guns and narcotics by the Zacatecas state police. "This will not go unpunished," she said. "The investigations will be conducted with the full weight of the law to their last consequences." She said the army and federal police were on a manhunt for the fugitives. Corruption among police and other government officials has been a key obstacle in Mexico's U.S.-backed efforts to root out ruthless drug cartels. President Felipe Calderon has acknowledged that corruption permeates all levels of Mexican police. He has sent more than 45,000 soldiers to combat drug gangs, although the army has also been accused of abuses in the offensive. Drug violence has become increasingly brutal as rival gangs fight each other for territory and stage bold attacks against police. The bodies of two men were found shot to death in central Michoacan state early Saturday, police said. One of the men was thrown out of a car in front of a pizzeria at a plaza in the city of Patzcuaro. He had been blindfolded, shot in the head and had his hands tied. A sign had been taped to his back reading "Rufos, we are the resistance against you and the Z," an apparent reference to the Zetas, a group of Gulf cartel hit men. Drug violence has killed more than 10,750 in the last 2 1/2 years. Mexico has arrested at least 327 cartel members since Calderon took office, but the highest-ranking leaders remain at large. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:42:20 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Fw: Sheepdogs To: ruralcrimewatch@gmail.com ; Quesnel Cariboo Observer Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: "Sheepdogs" I read with interest the Rural Crime Watch column by Jon McCormick in the May 17 edition of the Cariboo Observer. A few comments .... The occasional sound of someone plinking with a small calibre rifle ought not to cause alarm in rural areas where it is lawful to discharge a firearm. It certainly doesn't warrant a panic call to the RCMP which could result in a serious takedown situation because someone is potting a tin can in a gravel dump. I live in an area that has a "no single projectile rule" for 400m either side of the road due to the number of ranching and farming operations. I have established a safe shooting range on a small acreage with a target stand, bullet trap and a couple of steel gongs. It is located well beyond the 400m limit, measured by 100' tape. The area is well cleared and there is a wooded slope behind. Occasionally, my wife and I will shoot our muzzleloading black powder rifles or .22s on this range. I've yet to discharge a high-powered rifle there. When I first began this practice, I received a phone call from the local Conservation Officer asking me if I was shooting on my property and if I was aware of the 400m restriction. I answered in the affirmative to both questions and invited him to stop by at any time and check it out. I asked him why he called and he told me that it was in the nature of a public "inquiry". I asked if he really meant a "public complaint" and if the complainant was a neighbour. He admitted this was the case. Alledgedly, I was frightening this neighbour's horses and dog. He asked me what I was shooting and when I told him it was a .22 rifle, there was a long pause ...... End of the drama. In the interest of good relations, I now advise my neighbour when it is my intention to lawfully shoot on my property. It's called communication and co-operation. We are all "sheepdogs" in this area, as are most rural residents. Living well beyond what could be called reasonable police response time, I wouldn't have it any other way. We fully understand the actions and frustrations of Albertan Brian Knight as all of my neighbours are heavily invested in their livestock and property. Occasionally, it becomes necessary to live by the "shoot-shovel-shut-up" dictum as bears become more than a nuisance. I once asked for permission to shoot a marauding bear one week in advance of the season, having already bought a bear tag. It was fearless as it prowled on the porch and around the house. I told that if necessary, to shoot the bear and report it. I told him that I wanted the meat and pelt and couldn't wait for him to show up to investigate. Permission denied. A week later, the bear returned and my neighbour requested that I shoot the bear on HER property. Such is the nature of rural life. Todd Birch A Rural "Sheepdog" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:44:36 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: What is Wrong with Having a Licence? What is Wrong with Having a License? I have a very good friend who does not seem to be able to understand why we so steadfastly, adamantly refuse to apply for a license to possess our firearms. No, she does not use the worn-out argument "we get a license to drive a car." And my friend understands the difference between "license" and "registration." She understands that the license applies to the person and the registration applies to the vehicle. My friend is a farm girl so she also understands that we can own a car or truck on a farm and drive across our personal property with neither a driver's license nor vehicle registration. What my friend has a problem comprehending is the difference between the license mandated by the Firearms Act of 1995 - the Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) - and the 1977 vintage Firearms Acquisition Certificate (FAC) that I previously to carried with me everywhere I went. In our frequent discussions I have begun by explaining that the FAC was a merely a "certificate" that "certified" something. In this case the FAC certified that I had paid the police ten bucks to check their records, and that they had not found my name on any of their various lists. Therefore the police issued me a certificate, and I could legally acquire firearms. I would then explain the significance of the "L" in the PAL that stands for "license". There is a BIG difference between a "license" and a "certificate." The license - issued by the federal government gives a person permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal. In this case the "L" part of the PAL gives a person government permission to acquire and possess firearms. [For purposes of brevity I ignore the POL that conveys permission only to possess previously acquired firearm.] I would then try to explain that with the 1977-style FAC we could acquire a firearm and then destroy the FAC and still possess our firearms. But under the 1995 Firearms Act, a person in possession of a firearm is now required to have a license. The Firearms Act gives the police the authority to "demand" that we produce a license when in possession of our firearms. So now any time I am out hunting ducks in addition to having my Saskatchewan hunting license, provincial habitat stamp, and federal migratory bird permit =96 the federal government demands that I now also have a federal firearms license - as if the Saskatchewan Hunter Safety Course was meaningless because if was provided by dedicated wildlife volunteers. I then firmly state that we have openly refused to comply with the federal government's mandate to apply for a firearms license to possess or acquire our firearms, and that we will not cease our peaceful non-compliance until the government repeals the entire Firearms Act.1 I think I have done well in my concise explanation. If I did not look into my friend's eyes I would most likely consider the topic well covered. But there is something bugging my friend. Hesitantly, for my friend knows me well and does not want to spend the next five hours on this topic, she asks, "But what is wrong with having a license? Are we not safer when firearms owners have a license?" So I take a deep breath and try again. Yes, we both agree that some degree of government scrutiny is probably logical where the transfer of a firearm is involved. Both the now obsolete FAC and the current PAL help the seller of a firearm to have some degree of comfort in knowing that he/she is most likely not transferring a firearm to a known violent criminal. But since criminals ignore both the FAC and PAL and can easily acquire any type of firearms they desire, neither the FAC nor the PAL provides any safety benefit to society except to the seller of a firearm. The 1977 FAC provided that degree of societal protection just as well as the 1995 Firearms Act PAL, and at a minuscule fraction of the cost. But the point that my friend needs to understand; and understand well; is that the Firearms Act of 1995 attempts to strip honest, responsible citizens of our innate, Natural Right of armed self-defense. That objective is implicitly written into the Firearms Act at Section 117(a) & (c)(i): The Governor in Council may make regulations (a) regulating the issuance of licences, ... prescribing the circumstances in which persons are or are not eligible to hold licences; (c) prescribing the circumstances in which an individual does or does not need firearms (i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, ... .2 With the Firearms Act the federal government now claims total responsibility for our protection. Having seen enough Liberal and Conservative scams and dishonesty, both provincially and nationally, my friend no longer unquestioningly trusts our government. She understands that our personal self- protection is something far too important to be entrusted to any government agent or agency. Therefore for her personal well-being, my friend needs to comprehend the vital difference between an FAC and a PAL. The vital difference is based neither on cost nor efficiency; the difference is between a Right versus a mere privilege; a Right we hold and exercise at our discretion. If we do not preserve our Right to have "Armes for their Defense" the government will regulate our firearms out of existence. Edward B. Hudson DVM, MS Secretary 17 May 2009 Ref: (1) Affidavits of CUFOA members to the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal http://www.cufoa.ca/articles/armes/armes_11_july_2007.html (2) The Canadian Right of =91Armes for their Defense=92 =96 Ed =20 Hudson http://www.cufoa.ca/articles/armes/armes_17_sept_2007.html Canadian Unlicensed Firearms Owners Association Association canadienne des proprietaries sans permis 402 Skeena Crt. Saskatoon Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 (306) 242-2379 (306) 230-8929 edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #266 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)