Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, May 27 2009 Volume 13 : Number 280 In this issue: Girls go hunting again re: NP: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails Right on - Michaelle Jean Re: Crossbows Re: One gun registry bill dead, second bid in Edmonton Sun: News clip video "Shooting Rampage" Border patrol [Link to game] Tenth Amendment Movement Aims to Give Power Back to the States An open and accountable gov't in action Voter apathy - Drowning in negativity RE: NP: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails Re: Border patrol [Link to game] re: NP: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 12:53 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Girls go hunting again Girls go hunting again BY Gabriel Zarate, Northern News Services, Monday, May 25, 2009 http://nnsl.com/northern-news-services/stories/papers/may25_09nt.html KANGIQTUGAAPIK/CLYDE RIVER - Girls at Clyde River's Quluaq School joined this year's spring land program for the first time since 2006. "I was on the ice and the seal was on the water," said Ruthie Mingeriak, one of the girls who participated in the program. "I shot it in the head. A person had to get it with a little boat. I got to keep the skin." Because of a shortage of snowmobile drivers, female students were not given the option to hunt and fish with the school trips for the past few years. Mingeriak, now in Grade 12, last went hunting with the school back in Grade 9. It was the first time she had gone hunting since going with her family when she was a child. She said hunting was an "awesome experience." Grades 6 to 12 went out seal hunting while the younger students learned to fish. Last year Mingeriak learned how to skin seals and polar bears, but said the lessons didn't stick for her and she didn't remember how to do it a year later. Quluaq's principal Jukeepa Hainnu said many female students were eager to get out on the tundra to hunt and fish. "They've been wanting to go out again so much," she said. "It's quite common in the North for women to go out hunting so it's not huge difference from what they've been doing." Girls still have the option of staying at the school and learning to plan meals, clean the sealskins and make items out of the seal's skin such as kamiik and mitts. They also cooked some of the meat to share with elders and the needy. "It's giving back to the community so all the resources from the seal are being used," said Hainnu. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:08:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: re: NP: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails Al Muir wrote: > Turning it from something into nothing should qualify as changing it > don't you think Rob? Is that enough evidence for you? Conned by a Con! I don't blame Garry for this. He was well intentioned from the start, and ran into political expediency from within the PMO. His main problem was to try and do some good for the restricted/prohibited owners ... who turn out to be little more than so much political meat, even within the CPC ... Al, might I humbly suggest that there are better ways to expend your energy than trying to engage members of the digest in an unwelcomed debate. Your complete negativity is becoming tiresome, and I suspect off-putting to those less dedicated to the cause. If you have something to contribute, please do so, but I just don't want to hear about how "you told us so" any more. Enough already! Rob Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:20:11 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Right on - Michaelle Jean This one's not for the fain of heart. She should throw her hat 'in-the-ring' for the next Fed; she'd win by a landslide. > Rankin Inlet, Nunavut (AHN) - To show her support for the embattled > tradition of seal hunting, Canadian Governor General Michaelle Jean ate a > slice of raw seal heart on Monday. Yukkkkkkkk! (Would they also say that in 'Tuk')? (What's the rules for order of pronunciation, here)? > According to the Canadian Press accounts, while hundreds of Inuits > gathered for a community festival, Jean cut a seal carcass using the > traditional ulu blade to slice the meat from the skin. After eating > the meat slice she wiped her bloodied fingertips with a napkin and > told her daughter Marie-Eden the seal heart tasted good. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:41:32 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Crossbows Cliff reported: > I recently renewed my PAL and noticed that "Crossbows" was > missing. I phoned Miramichi and it was confirmed that crossbows had > never actually come under the firearms act and the intension to include > it was removed. I can now legally acquire a crossbow without my PAL That makes three [3] patriotic Canucks, withstanding even the Charter violating intrusions into our privacy via the 'continuous screening' by a desk jockey CFO to buttress the security of the Nation. I am assured of this by no less than the Prime Minister. Can I hear a drum roll? You 'underground' folk can thank those willing to risk 'dynamic entries' by uninvited guests, all in the name of their intelligence gathering of those on the dark side. Someone's gotta do the dirty work. Is it a little strange that the door appears open to 'anyone' gaining access to these things? (Kinda hard to hide, though). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:34:49 -0300 From: Al Muir Subject: Re: One gun registry bill dead, second bid in > Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 8:28 am > From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" > Subject: One gun registry bill dead, second bid in > > CANWEST NEWS SERVICE - MAY 26, 2009 > One gun registry bill dead, second bid in works BY DAVID AKIN > OTTAWA - Saskatchewan MP Garry Breitkreuz says he is happy to let his > legislation to kill the controversial long-gun registry die a quiet death Happy? Anybody getting this? > But his bill went further than that, with, for example,a call > that the auditor general periodically review the operation of the gun > registry. Does this mean that those that supported C-301 will not support C-391 because it does not contain this provision? More then a few suggested this would be the way we would see further movement in the future. Does this not constitute evidence that there will be nothing more down the road? Are some of us still trying to sell the notion that there will be? Will one of our "incretementalists" make any comments? > Conservatives hope and expect that C-391 finds support among NDP and > Liberal > MPs who represent rural ridings where the gun registry is unpopular, > although private member's bills rarely become law. Why is it that yet again we have a private members bill? What are the Cons up to? Does anybody on this forum expect this bill to pass? > "I sense there is 100 per cent of support from the leadership in our party > for what I'm doing," Breitkreuz said. What is it that he is doing that they are 100% in support of? Hiding? Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:56:21 -0600 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: Edmonton Sun: News clip video "Shooting Rampage" I feel so Safe, with Ann McClellans Culture of Safety in Canada! Sarcasm mode on! Med http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2009/05/26/9575001.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:24:58 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Border patrol [Link to game] This is probably too 'political' for the CFD. Something to do on a slow Monday! For RED NECKS only. THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes you feel better anyway. GET READY --- THEY ARE FAAAST!!! One sharpshooter claims a score of 51. http://www.resist.com/other/border_patrol.swf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:10 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Tenth Amendment Movement Aims to Give Power Back to the States http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/26/tenth-amendment-movement-aims-power-states/?test=latestnews Tenth Amendment Movement Aims to Give Power Back to the States Fed up with Washington's involvement in everything from land use to gun control to education spending, states across the country are fighting back against what they say is the federal government's growing intrusion on their rights.By James Osborne FOXNews.com Tuesday, May 26, 2009 The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. - -- U.S. Constitution, Tenth Amendment Fed up with Washington's involvement in everything from land use to gun control to education spending, states across the country are fighting back against what they say is the federal government's growing intrusion on their rights. At least 35 states have introduced legislation this year asserting their power under the Tenth Amendment to regulate all matters not specifically delegated to the federal government by the Constitution. "This has been boiling for years, and it's finally come to a head," said Utah State Rep. Carl Wimmer. "With TARP and No Child Left Behind, these things that continue to give the federal government more authority, our rights as states and individuals are being turned on their head." The power struggle between the states and Washington has cropped up periodically ever since the country was founded. But now some states are sending a simple, forceful message: The government has gone too far. Enough is enough. Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer recently signed into law a bill authorizing the state's gun manufacturers to produce "Made in Montana" firearms, without seeking licensing from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Similar laws are being considered in Utah, Alaska, Texas and Tennessee. The Montana law is expected to end up in the courts, where states' rights activists hope judges will uphold their constitutional right to regulate firearms. That would reverse a longstanding trend, said Martin Flaherty, a professor of constitutional law at Fordham Law School. "From 1937 to 1995 there is not one instance of the Supreme Court knocking back Congress," he said. "In the Constitution the interstate commerce clause gives Congress the right to regulate commerce between the states. That gives them a lot of power. There were questions of how far they can reach, but then comes the New Deal, and Roosevelt gets all these picks on the [Supreme] Court, and they come upon a theory whereupon congressional power is almost infinite." That 1930s understanding of the Constitution is now the norm, with advocates for the federal government arguing that issues of a certain size and scope can be addressed only by an institution with the resources of the federal government. As an example, federal authority is necessary in the economic crisis, said U.S. Rep. Dan Boren, whose home state of Oklahoma recently passed a sovereignty resolution. "The economic situation in our nation over the past year has not been contained in any one community or state. The industries and institutions affected by the recent economic crisis touch multiple layers of our economy and are not confined to any one state or region," he said in a statement. "I feel there was Constitutional justification for Congress's recent efforts to stabilize our economy." But for many state leaders, the degree to which Congress regulates issues within their boundaries, using the interstate commerce clause to regulate just about everything and anything, has become untenable. Texas Gov. Rick Perry made headlines recently when he made a passing reference to the possibility of the Lone Star State seceding from the U.S., saying, "if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that?" States rights advocates offer countless examples of what they believe is Washington's overreach. In Utah, 67 percent of the state's land is controlled by the federal government through wilderness preserves, limiting state leaders in their bid to fill government coffers through oil and natural gas drilling after Interior Secretary Ken Salazar cancelled 103,000 acres of leases this year. In Idaho, ranchers are furious that federal endangered species law prevents them from shooting the wolves that prey on their cattle. "The balance of power between the states and the federal government is way out of whack," said Georgia state Senator Chip Pearson." The effect here is incalculable. Everything you do from the moment you wake up until you get to bed, there is some federal law or restriction." Up until recently, the state sovereignty movement has remained almost entirely Republican, drawing supporters from the ranks that voted against President Obama and attended tea parties last month to protest federal tax hikes. But the movement's rank and file are just as likely now to criticize Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, as they are the new president, pointing to what they believe were Bush's overreaching policies on education and homeland security. Many are becoming frequent visitors to a Web site, TenthAmendmentCenter.com, which was founded in early 2007 and has become a community bulletin board for states rights activists and politicians. Up to 20,000 viewers log on to the site every day. The site's founder, Michael Boldin, a 36-year-old Web marketer in Los Angeles who says he has no political affiliation, says he decided to launch the site after watching the Maine State Legislature fight the Department of Homeland Security on the Real ID act, a controversial Bush-era law that will require states to issue federally regulated identification cards, complete with biometric data and stringent address checks. "Maine resisted, and the government backed off, and soon all these other states were doing the same thing," Boldin said. "The bottom line is, if there's widespread support, people can resist the federal government at the state level." The deadline for states to comply with Real ID has now been pushed back until 2011. The Tenth Amendment movement is not without controversy. In Georgia, a columnist for The Atlanta Journal Constitution called a sovereignty resolution in the state Senate a threat "to secede from and even disband the United States." The resolution, which was passed as part of a group of bills that were banded together, affirmed the state's powers under the Tenth Amendment, taking its inspiration and language from Thomas Jefferson's 1798 resolution opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts -- laws enacted by the federal government during wartime to quiet protest against the government. The resolution asserts that any instance of the federal government taking action beyond its enumerated powers "shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America." "It's been taken out of context by some editors," said Pearson, who sponsored the bill. "It certainly never meant secession. The intent was to communicate that the actions of the federal government are an infringement on states' rights." Robert Natelson, a law professor at the University of Montana who was involved in drawing up that state's sovereignty resolution over a decade ago, argues that states up until now have been unwilling to take action of any real consequence in checking federal power. "Back then they passed the resolution, but they didn't turn down any federal dollars," he said. "If the states are serious about returning the federal government to its historical origins, they're going to have to do more than pass resolutions. They're going to have to turn down money and litigate." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:36:46 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: An open and accountable gov't in action [Finally a Minister stands up for the citizens of Canada]. Transport Canada agrees to release results of child car seat tests Tuesday, May 26, 2009 > http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/05/26/child-car-seat-safety987.html Transport Canada reversed course on Tuesday and agreed to release the results of six years of tests on child car seats. "I believe we have two important responsibilities," Transport Minister John Baird told reporters in Ottawa. "One, to set very high standards for children's safety. And two, to make the findings of all those tests for safety made public. And that's what I've instructed my officials to do." His comments came after the CBC News ran a story Monday stating that Transport Canada, which is responsible for ensuring road safety, had declined to release the results of hundreds of tests that have been conducted since 2003, saying they were "not for compliance" and "were technical in nature." Transport Canada told CBC News that the test results "can contain third-party information and ... there may be a potential for unfair material damage to the private sector without cause." The news prompted strong criticism from a prominent consumer group and an opposition MP. U.S. ran similar tests The tests carried out in Canada were similar to U.S. trials that uncovered significant safety issues in some seats, CBC News has learned. The U.S. tests gauged the effects of front and side crash impacts on the seats, and were conducted at speeds of 56 km/h. An unrestrained child in a car that crashed while travelling at 50 km/h would suffer an impact similar to that of a child dropped from a third-storey window. The U.S. tests, conducted in 2008, showed that some seats flew off their bases, while others failed injury limits. As a result of the tests, two different Combi child restraint seats were recalled in North America. The U.S. Department of Transportation only released the test details after a Chicago newspaper first publicized the results in March. Transport Canada, which confirmed it had also found problems with the Combi seats, has so far not provided details of problems with any other car seats. "We have provided all available information on this issue," a Transport Canada spokesperson told CBC News before Baird made his announcement that he would release more information. 'What are they thinking of?' Bruce Cran of the Consumers' Association of Canada said Transport Canada has an obligation to publicize the results so parents can make informed choices when purchasing seats. He was outraged when Transport Canada initially said it would not release details. "Shame on Transport Canada, what were they thinking of?" he told CBC News at the time. "This is a Canadian ministry looking at things that might protect our children and they won't tell us the results of tests they did with public funds? This is absolutely ludicrous." Olivia Chow, the NDP children and child-care critic, called on the government early Tuesday to release the results of the tests. "The government has an obligation to protect its citizens above any corporate interests," said Chow in a statement. "I'm calling on the government to release this information immediately, good or bad, so parents can have the most up to date information on how to keep their children safe." In April, the U.S. Department of Transportation started a consumer program that helps parents find a child restraint that best suits their vehicles. Transport Canada said it is monitoring the U.S. changes. Vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for Canadian children and teens, according to the Canadian Hospitals Injury Reporting and Prevention Program. According to Transport Canada, 10,000 children under the age of 12 are injured in traffic crashes every year. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:50:05 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Voter apathy - Drowning in negativity Viewpoint - D. Simon Jackson Apathy really is boring, it's time to engage Monday, May 25, 2009 > http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/05/25/f-vp-jackson.html A remarkable aspect of the recent B.C. election on May 12 was not, necessarily, the result but how few ballots were actually cast. Just slightly over half the province bothered to vote, despite increased voter registration, five days of advanced polling and good weather on election day. This continuing erosion of voter participation in Canada and, especially, in B.C. is not a new phenomenon. However, as we inch closer to the situation where a majority of our population forgoes its democratic right to vote, it is not far-fetched to say the legitimacy of our democracy is being called into question, as University of Victoria political scientist Norman Ruff has recently suggested. Consider, for example, Gordon Campbell's victorious Liberal party, which was re-elected with 46 per cent of the popular vote. That is usually considered a strong mandate in a first-past-the-post electoral system. But when you factor in that only 52 per cent of eligible voters cast a ballot — an historic low — Campbell gets to govern with the backing of a mere 24 per cent of voting-age British Columbians. >>>>>>>> In a country of 33 million (23 million eligible voters), only a few hundred thousand are active members of political parties and only they have a real opportunity to shape, through their support and their personal contacts, what the rest of us vote for on election day. To me, that's criminal. [If members of the RFC are represented in this 'few hundred thousand' in the same ratio as their share of the population, one can see why we have such negligible impact on the political process]. > snipped - a good read ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:43:45 -0700 From: "RFOCBC" Subject: RE: NP: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails Err. What's this? "The Digest" receives everything that Mr. Sciuk ever wrote - year after year. That's year after year of writing supporting Licensing. In case nobody noticed, Licensing can NEVER, EVER be construed as a positive development for gun ownership. Talk about complete negativity. Talk about tiresome! A pro-Licence guy on a pro-gun forum - Enough already! There's more than one who doesn't want to hear from you either. So, YOU don't blame Garry for this. So what. I DO blame Garry. "Well intentioned from the start" - would certainly qualify as wishful thinking; but there's no evidence presented that supports that hypothesis. You kept shoveling your support for C-301. Breitkreuz walked away. All the wriggling and spin in the world will not change what we have all seen. Kevin - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca]On Behalf Of Rob Sciuk Sent: May 26, 2009 12:08 PM To: Canadian Firearms Digest Subject: re: NP: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails Al Muir wrote: > Turning it from something into nothing should qualify as changing it > don't you think Rob? Is that enough evidence for you? Conned by a Con! I don't blame Garry for this. He was well intentioned from the start, and ran into political expediency from within the PMO. His main problem was to try and do some good for the restricted/prohibited owners ... who turn out to be little more than so much political meat, even within the CPC ... Al, might I humbly suggest that there are better ways to expend your energy than trying to engage members of the digest in an unwelcomed debate. Your complete negativity is becoming tiresome, and I suspect off-putting to those less dedicated to the cause. If you have something to contribute, please do so, but I just don't want to hear about how "you told us so" any more. Enough already! Rob Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:41:31 -0400 From: "ed machel" Subject: Re: Border patrol [Link to game] 29 so far ........ed/on(CFD redneck) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: Border patrol [Link to game] > This is probably too 'political' for the CFD. > Something to do on a slow Monday! > For RED NECKS only. > THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes you feel better anyway. > GET READY --- THEY ARE FAAAST!!! > One sharpshooter claims a score of 51. > > http://www.resist.com/other/border_patrol.swf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:29:52 +0200 From: ED HUDSON Subject: re: NP: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Sciuk Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:49 am Subject: re: NP: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails > > Turning it from something into nothing should qualify as > > changing it > > Is that enough evidence for you? > > political expediency from within the PMO. ... > little more than so much political meat, even within > the CPC ... > > Enough already! Indeed enough already! We placed our trust & faith in Mr. Harper & the Conservatives. And they repaid us with lies. Mr. Harper has demostrated that he will not recognize our Right to have 'Armes for their Defense'. But our Right to defend ourselves does not depend upon any Government decree. The solution certainly does not lie with the Conservatives. The solution does not lie with any Party. The solutions lies within us as individuals. The recognition of our Right to defend ourselves comes from our determination to make that fact known to the Government. Let us do so peacefully & non-violently. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #280 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)