Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, June 1 2009 Volume 13 : Number 293 In this issue: Re: Sex offender registry has not solved a single sex crime RE: Congratulations, You Now Own a Car Company [NFR] RE: Mohawks threaten border Here's a few more . Re: U.S. officials raise alarm about new Venezuelan missiles RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #292 Dennis Young's disappointment in the Cons was ... RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #292 Re: remember Re: Here's a few more . Akwesasne border crossing to shut until arms dispute resolved RE: The optics [of the CPP exec bonuses] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:33:33 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: Re: Sex offender registry has not solved a single sex crime Violent crimes against persons and sex criminals were once strapped . . there were very few repeats . . Only the courts can 'solve' sex crime . . and they aren't doing it . . Len On 1-Jun-09, at 7:16 AM, Dennis & Hazel Young wrote: > > CALGARY HERALD - JUNE 1, 2009 > Sex offender registry to be revamped > Minister unveils steps to overhaul national list today > By Janice Tibbetts - Canwest News ServiceJune 1, 2009 > http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/offender+registry+revamped/1649586/story.h > tml > > The Conservative government will announce today that it will > overhaul the national sex-offender registry, which has not been > responsible for solving a single sex crime since it was created five > years ago. > > Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan will detail the changes at a > news conference on Parliament Hill. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:50:57 -0400 From: "Norman Lapierre" Subject: RE: Congratulations, You Now Own a Car Company [NFR] "GM" logo now means "Government Motors". Dropping the Oldsmobile line for Obamamobile, new for 2009. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of Joe Gingrich Sent: June-01-09 9:53 AM To: Canadian Firearms Digest Subject: Congratulations, You Now Own a Car Company [NFR] http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/wp-print.php?p=1544 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:47:54 -0400 From: "Norman Lapierre" Subject: RE: Mohawks threaten border This is Canada. You can't touch a visible minority (with exception of firearms owners). The major difference between Canadians and Natives is that most of us Canadians are lacking... well you know those whatchamacallits... "BALLS"! You may as well return your CPC membership card now. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of Barry Glasgow Sent: June-01-09 10:48 AM To: 'Cdn. Firearms Digest' Subject: Mohawks threaten border [I urge all members to contact their MP's. This is enough. These non-contributors to our society have been calling the shots for far too long] Sent: June 1, 2009 10:44 AM To: Harper.S@parl.gc.ca; OconnG@parl.gc.ca Subject: Mohawks threaten border Akwesasne natives are threatening to storm the border if we arm our border guards for their protection. If the Conservative government caves in to the demands of these Mohawk terrorists I will immediately cancel my PC membership and monthly contributions. Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:06:03 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Here's a few more . Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #292: Here's a task for all readers... name ANYTHING that the government runs efficiently. Just one thing. Is there any government organization, service, department, or entity that isn't infected with layers of bureaucracy, bloated budgets, or poor management? Now, imagine that track record and apply it to General Motors. - ----------------- In Canada, successive government(s) have botched the following ( 1 ) UFFI ( Urea Formaldehyde Foam Insulation) recall how it literally destroyed thousands of homes? ( 2 ) Red Cross blood scandal . it killed the Red Cross . . thousands died of AIDS and 30 thousand got hepatitis ( 3 ) THALIDOMIDE who can forget the government's bumbling in the tragedy of limbless babies . matched by feckless Ottawa? Wrenched their necks . . from looking the other way . . ( 4) 'gun control'? $ 2.5 billions and counting . . lives saved? Nil. ( 5 ) While blaming shoppers for using plastic bags our and 'their' military is bombing the crap out of a defenceless country which posed us no threat . no threat, that is, until we 'shocked and awed' them . Think of all that CO2 from stealth bombers and depleted uranium ammo . . I could go on, but my keyboard is melting . melting? Oh, yeah . . global warming . . almost slipped by . . Len from Vancouver where criminals have the death penalty and the state doesn't . . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:06:53 -0600 From: "Jim Szpajcher" Subject: Re: U.S. officials raise alarm about new Venezuelan missiles Joe - >From: "Joe Gingrich" > > http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/69148.html > > U.S. officials raise alarm about new Venezuelan missiles > > Venezuela's recent purchase of the most lethal shoulder-fired > anti-aircraft > missiles in the Russian arsenal is sharpening U.S. concerns that parts of > President Hugo Chávez's massive weapons buildup could wind up in the hands > of terrorists or guerrillas in neighboring Colombia. Of course, no one in Venezuela or Columbia ever read a copy of "Charlie Wilson's War", about how the Americans supplied weapons which also fell into the category of "exceed its needs and are therefore potentially destabilizing", to 300 groups of Mujihadeen, to kill and wound tens of thousands of Soviet soldiers and destroy thousands of military vehicles and aircraft. Otherwise, them pesky South American mischief-makers might get ideas.... Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:51:19 -0700 From: "Fred Hoenisch" Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #292 "We have nothing but a political process..." Rob, what will it take for you to wake up and realise that the politicians you are so eager/willing to work with have betrayed you? When you vote for a party that is screwing you over - you are giving them additional financial support to continue down their path. What in your right mind makes you think they would consider to change? Make it loud and clear that you're not willing to give them your vote and tell your friends (like certain others on this digest have been suggesting) and be able to show them the numbers and you might get somewhere. Fred in Saanich. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: RE: RS types - time to wake up. Fred Hoenisch wrote: > > I've been silent for a while, but recently started reading the posts > again. It amazes me that the same people (and a few new ones) continue > to write in thoughts along the lines of 'I propose we work with the > party in power to achieve the long term goals that we've been striving > for.' > > Let me be blunt. > > Rob (and people who are thinking like you) I've heard you promote this > line of thinking for far too long on this digest. WAKE UP BUDDY! It's > been years and your 'working with the parties' has done SQUAT!!! > > You've been lied to, you've been ignored, and now you're being mocked by > fellow members of this digest. > > WAKE UP!!! > > Fred Hoenisch > Saanich, BC "RS types" Wow, I've become a "stereotype", but there is good news, and apparently there are others who "think like me". I don't know whether to blush or to throw rocks! So, Fred we'll simply add your name to the list along with Kevin and Al who all believe that we should simply abandon the political process, and instead do ... umh, well, nothing at all. Good plan. I hope it works out well for you. Sorry Fred, you can continue to mock away, I could care less. We have nothing but a political process, and as frustrating as that can be, it is all we will ever have -- unless you are proposing something which is not legal. Are you? By the way, were it not for the infighting that we continue to enjoy, we might by now have organized ourselves into an effective political lobby, we have the numbers, but apparently not the will, and worse, a few among us who seem to have a need to throw a wrench whenever the possibility of forming a true political lobby arises. It makes one wonder ... Rob Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, June 1, 2009 8:55 am From: "10x" <10x@telus.net> Subject: Dennis Young's disappointment in the Cons was ... Could folks be very careful with top posting please. And please mark quoted text as quoted when making comments. The following comment on a message sent by Dennis Young has confused a number of folks. Then top posted and resubmitted without outlining Dennis's article as a quote. The comment "more down the road" was missed by myself and others. At 07:25 PM 5/31/2009 -0600, Majordomo wrote: > >more down the road? " (separated from what Dennis wrote by me) >From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" >Date: Sun, May 31, 2009 10:23 am >To: "Firearms Digest" >Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca >Precedence: normal >Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > > >Thanks for asking Al. If I had seen any evidence that the Conservatives >would do more down the road, I would not have resigned my part-time >assignment with Garry. They failed simple the test when they wouldn't >support (or even rebut the attacks against) the cost-saving, common-sense, >no-public-safety-jeopardizing amendments in Bill C-301. I couldn't stay and >defend the indefensible any longer. > >Dennis > >> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 02:46:12 -0300 >> From: Al Muir >> Subject: Re: Conservative MP's bid to abolish gun registry fails > >[SNIP] > >> Rob a positive discussion would require you answer some questions. >> Something you have not done up to this point. >> >> To start why is it a privite members bill? Spare me the election bit >> here please it just does not wash. What evidence do you have that the >> Cons will do more down the road? It is essential that we know where >> we are going with the Cons. Over a long period of time we have been >> given every indication, by their actions, that it is nowhere. I have >> asked a number of other questions over my last few posts but I have not >> seen you "discuss" any answers. > >Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:14:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Howard R. Hamilton" Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #292 Greetings! > Rob said: "We have nothing but a political process..." Followed by Fred stating: > Rob, what will it take for you to wake up and realise that the > politicians you are so eager/willing to work with have betrayed you? > When you vote for a party that is screwing you over - you are giving > them additional financial support to continue down their path. What > in your right mind makes you think they would consider to change? > > Make it loud and clear that you're not willing to give them your vote > and tell your friends (like certain others on this digest have been > suggesting) and be able to show them the numbers and you might get > somewhere. > > Fred in Saanich. The problem, is that Rob is right. If you are not going to participate in the political process, you either lose or try and hide. Either way, you can expect a midnight visit from the gun police to take away all of your toys. All or nothing means you will get nothing. Period. Now that we are completely sure that the Conservatives have reverted to their old CLOG ways, we are screwed. You will not change the law, unless you have the ruling party on your side. The Conservatives were our last chance in our lifetime. Our kids are being brainwashed that "guns are bad" and the bar has been set too high for them to start owning guns. > Fred Hoenisch wrote: >> >> I've been silent for a while, but recently started reading the posts >> again. It amazes me that the same people (and a few new ones) continue >> to write in thoughts along the lines of 'I propose we work with the >> party in power to achieve the long term goals that we've been striving >> for.' >> >> Let me be blunt. >> >> Rob (and people who are thinking like you) I've heard you promote this >> line of thinking for far too long on this digest. WAKE UP BUDDY! It's >> been years and your 'working with the parties' has done SQUAT!!! >> >> You've been lied to, you've been ignored, and now you're being mocked by >> fellow members of this digest. >> >> WAKE UP!!! >> >> Fred Hoenisch >> Saanich, BC That's right. And now we can all kiss all of our guns goodbye, and watch our children turn into little state zombies, because we have lost in the political arena. There will not be a next generation of gun owners, and Canada will turn into another tin pot dictatorship with slaves instead of citizens, because the "all or nothing" crowd has left us with nothing. I will keep fighting this battle until I either am picked up or pass away, but I grieve for my children and their children who will become slaves of the state. BUZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:47:45 -0400 From: "ed machel" Subject: Re: remember - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tliner" To: Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: remember > it's april 1969. my buddies and i are 16,17 and 18 years old. we all > pooled our money and headed for the hardware store uptown to check out > the neat .22 rifle we had seen but didn't have enough individually to > buy. all the young people i know today are so far > away from the gun scene because of laws and restrictions that if they > were ever needed to defend the country they could not.i think everyone > on this digest knows what i mean. a little pissant country like north > korea could over run us so fast we wouldn't know what hit us. our only > saviour is the US in the event of an attack on us and anyone who doubts > that needs a serious examination. cukier and her ilk( along with every > government since the fac) will have to live with their conscience in > their effort to disarm law abiding civilians when our young people are > needed on a moments notice to protect their country. i do not give the > governing con party a pass either. they had their chance to get this > right and didn't. plain and simple. Maybe thats what we NEED? to wake up the antis ?I can hear them whining now about someone to save them ............and theres no one left, all us old geezers who knew and valued freedom...are dead. Incidentally the story about walking down a road with the gun , unloaded is as true as GOD made green apples. I went through the same experience when I was a teenager. Had my first gun at 12 , to hunt groundhogs and rabbits. ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:14:07 -0400 From: "ed machel" Subject: Re: Here's a few more . - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Miller" To: "Cdn-Firearms Digest" Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Here's a few more . > Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #292: > > Here's a task for all readers... name ANYTHING that the government runs > efficiently. > Just one thing. > Is there any government organization, service, department, > or entity that isn't infected with layers of bureaucracy, > bloated budgets, or poor management? > > Now, imagine that track record and apply it to General Motors. > ----------------- > > In Canada, successive government(s) have botched the following > > ( 1 ) UFFI ( Urea Formaldehyde Foam Insulation) > recall how it literally destroyed thousands of homes? > > ( 2 ) Red Cross blood scandal . it killed the Red Cross . . > thousands died of AIDS and 30 thousand got hepatitis > > ( 3 ) THALIDOMIDE > who can forget the government's bumbling in the > tragedy of limbless babies . matched by feckless Ottawa? > Wrenched their necks . . from looking the other way . . > > ( 4) 'gun control'? $ 2.5 billions and counting . . lives saved? > Nil. > > ( 5 ) While blaming shoppers for using plastic bags > our and 'their' military is bombing the crap out > of a defenceless country which posed us no threat . > no threat, that is, until we 'shocked and awed' them . > Think of all that CO2 from stealth bombers and depleted uranium ammo . . > > I could go on, but my keyboard is melting . > melting? Oh, yeah . . global warming . . almost slipped by . . > > Len > from Vancouver > where criminals have the death penalty > and the state doesn't . . > I understand where youre coming from Len and the point youre trying to make ? However this is going to be another one of those cold summers in southern ontario like the last two we`ve had. Temperatures are down 10*C from "normal" at about 9*C maximum with cold rain and some snow In the Huntsville area this weekend ."Normal" is about 21 *C. On the way up to my daughters in Huntsville we ran into a mini snow and rain blizzard , almost unheard of in this area and where I live in Hamilton The last time it snowed in June was in the late thirties when I was a lad, and we had similar weather. But ? when it got hot in July and August ? it was so hot for about a week , people were able to fry eggs on sidewalks. I have spoken to many educated people and they all state that global warming is a scam and if it did occur by a surplus of co2? it would be a net benefit to society, as plants would grow better and give off MORE oxygen for all other life forms.(Artificial co2 is pumped into greenhouses to make plants grow better) The ONLY so called scientists who are promoting "global warming" are those who receive grants from any institutions looking to capitalize on the lie. All others , (and they are in the thousands) , deny any global warming is taking place . Global warming has been proven to be caused by active sunspot reactions , for which there has been a noticeable dearth in the last 5-10 years. In fact not too many years ago I was able to ride my bike in 80 F temperature in March of each year for up to a week each year and then the temps moderated a bit but it was nothing like what I see today. Isn't it strange ? or is it ? that the media hasn't educated the masses on this so called "phenomenon"?) It was Hitler's chief of propaganda who said , "tell a lie big enough and often enough and it will become truth" ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:21:51 -0400 From: "D R Goodbrand" Subject: Akwesasne border crossing to shut until arms dispute resolved Akwesasne border crossing to shut until arms dispute resolved Jorge Barrera and David Gonczol, Canwest News Service The federal government won't reopen a Canada-U.S. border crossing on a native reserve in eastern Ontario until the local community accepts armed border guards at the Canadian border post on their land, Public Safety Peter Van Loan said Monday. The federal government pre-emptively shut down the Cornwall Island, Ont., crossing shortly before midnight Sunday when Mohawks vowed to prevent Monday's planned arming of border guards on the Akwesasne reserve, which straddles the Ontario, Quebec and New York borders. The U.S. side of the crossing was also shut down at the request of Canadian authorities, New York State police said. Mr. Van Loan said there were no plans to reopen the crossing until the Mohawks agree to allow armed guards at the post. "A decision was taken to close that crossing," said Mr. Van Loan. "That will remain the case until such time as the local Mohawk band indicates they are willing to accept the border officers being armed as is government policy." Mr. Van Loan said the Conservative government was simply fulfilling a commitment made during the 2006 election to arm all border guards across the country. He said the matter was now of "implementation" and that there had been a "considerable amount of consultation" with the Akwesasne leadership, who had been offered the use of liaison officers. The chiefs from the Mohawk band council, however, say they unsuccessfully tried to delay Monday's planned arming of border guards for at least a year. Mohawk Chief Larry King said community members have increasingly complained of their treatment at the hands of some border guards and it was best to settle these issues before border guards received guns. The border post, about 100 kilometres southwest of Montreal, was abandoned by Canadian guards after a night of negotiations between Canadian officials and Mohawks, Grand Chief Tim Thompson said in a statement. "Canadian Border Services Agency officers have voluntarily decided to leave the Akwesasne Mohawk territory before midnight [Sunday] for their own safety," the statement said. The arming of the guards was scheduled for the same day border crossers, including Canadian and U.S. citizens, would need to produce a passport or other secure documents approved by the American Homeland Security Department to cross the border. The agency started arming guards in 2007, and officers at the Akwesasne reserve were scheduled to begin carrying handguns Monday. The Mohawks at the reserve near Cornwall, Ont., have said they don't want armed guards at the post because it would violate their sovereignty and increase the likelihood of violent confrontations. The president of the union representing border guards said personnel at the post would feel safer armed, but dismissed concerns it would increase the likelihood of a violent incident with locals who pass the border many times during their daily business. "That post should have been one of the first ones in light of all the incidents that have taken place over the years," said Ron Moran, national president of the Customs and Immigration Union. "It has already been pushed back more than it should be." Mr. Moran said the Akwesasne post was one of the last to receive firearms in the country. New York State Trooper Capt. Michael Girard said Canadian authorities asked U.S authorities to shut down the border late Sunday night "due to the fact they felt threatened." He said the community was basically "trapped" by the shut down. "Obviously the people of Akwesasne are being inconvenienced because they are limited in their travel," he said. "It is not good ... hopefully no one gets hurt." Capt. Girard said they had seen no developments yet that would require additional officers on the scene. Earlier Sunday, Mohawks were ordered by the community to use peaceful means in any confrontations with Canadian border guards. Singling out the Mohawk Warriors, a long-standing group that is separate from hereditary chiefs or more modern elected chiefs and councils, the order came out of a meeting Sunday night. Residents debated three strategies to address the arming of the border guards, two of which involved confrontation. Ultimately, residents directed the Mohawk leadership to use only peaceful means to settle the dispute with the Canada Border Services Agency. This is the first time in this dispute that Akwesasne leaders are directing everyone, including the Mohawk Warriors, to refrain from confrontation, said Brendan White, a spokesman for the Mohawk Council of Akwesasne. "They [the Mohawk Warriors] are individuals within our community and our community is asking them to not be violent and anything they do is the result of individual actions and does not have the support of the community and our leaders," Mr. White said. "It was an appeal, a request to that group, that they have to keep the community in mind ... We can't fight guns with violence. We can't give them justification to carry firearms. We can't play into their hands," Mr. White said. Mohawk Warriors, who were present at the meeting, had said Saturday that they would storm the border post Monday and drive the guards off the reserve if the Canadian government did not deliver a signed promise that the guards would not carry guns on the reserve. Earlier Sunday, members of the Mohawk council were barred from entering the border post near Cornwall as they attempted to verify if there were any guns in the building. The border crossing was also closed for about an hour around 8 p.m. Sunday, but it was unclear why. The CBSA plans to arm 4,800 officers across the country at land and marine ports of entry by 2016. There are currently 870 armed border guards across Canada. Ottawa Citizen with file from Janice Tibbetts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:02:24 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: RE: The optics [of the CPP exec bonuses] Alan added: > I'm so glad to see that the pension fund is being handled well - NOT! > > So, what was the bonus for?? It doesn't seem to be related to > performance, when there is a $24 Billion loss to the fund. Since it is > not for performance, what is it for? > > Excuse me for sounding like a cynic, but could it be that these executive > positions are merely pork barrel appointments, with guaranteed bonuses as > part of the pork barrel process? We've been reassured by Mistuh Harpah (I'm imitating UWO political scientist and frequent s/w Ont A-Channel commentator, Paul Nesbitt-Larking -a Brit- who'll now be a frequent lunch mate of the PMO's former Chief of Spin, Ian Brodie) that the bonuses were for their outstanding 4-year rolling average earnings. To which I'd say, "My 4-year rolling average (and others on this site) were doing just fine until little Jimmy Flaherty and Stevo skewered our Income Trusts and didn't quite protect us from George Dubya. So where's my bail-out?" ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #293 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)