Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, November 21 2009 Volume 13 : Number 572 In this issue: "Tom Flanagan believes bill....is a "political success story." Letter: Cuthand's aim way off The movie "2012" The Firearms Registry NatPost - Letters - Texas's gun control lesson (II) (x2) Re: "Tom Flanagan believes bill....is a "political success story." UP DATE ON WILLY FLOYD! Re: The movie "2012" They're eating their own young. US Justice Department supports more 'gun control' New Canadian Firearms Auction Site ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, November 21, 2009 1:40 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: "Tom Flanagan believes bill....is a "political success story." Subject: "Tom Flanagan believes bill to abolish the long-gun registry is a "political success story." GLOBE AND MAIL - NOVEMBER 20, 2009 OTTAWA NOTEBOOK BY JANE TABER http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/tories-tar-long-gun-success-by-swinging-too-hard-on-torture/article1372213/ One week; two Tory strategies. One is a potential winner; the other could potentially backfire. What does Stephen Harper's former top strategist think? Tom Flanagan believes the Tory bill to abolish the long-gun registry is a "political success story." The Liberals are all tied up in knots about it. As for the character assassination of senior Canadian diplomat Richard Colvin by the Harper Tories: He's not impressed, believing it is happening only because Mr. Harper, "the grand strategist," has been away travelling in Asia and not focusing on the issue. Meanwhile, his ministers are freelancing as they try to deal with the fall-out on the Afghan mission. [SNIP] Then there is long-gun registry. For the Tories it is the political gift that keeps giving. Even as a new calmness was about to descend on the Liberals this week - Peter Donolo took over as chief of staff this week - the registry popped up as an issue yet again. In the Liberal caucus meeting on Wednesday, Whip Rodger Cuzner announced he had recommended to Leader Michael Ignatieff that MPs should not be allowed a free vote on certain private member's bills. And Mr. Ignatieff told his caucus that he was taking this under advisement. The issue arose because eight Liberals earlier this months supported a Tory private member's bill to scrap the registry despite pleas by the whip and the leader to vote against it. While the potential of a whipped vote on a private member's bill was shocking to caucus members, so was what happened next: Toronto Centre Bob Rae's intervention. A fierce supporter of gun control and the registry, he urged his colleagues to be "politically realistic," according to sources. The damage to party unity and to electoral fortunes may not be worth continuing the fight, even if this registry was a Liberal creation. He may be right. Public opinion seems to be slowly shifting away from the registry. It is reflected in the Liberal caucus. Just look at these two veteran Liberal MPs: PEI MP Wayne Easter voted with the Tories and is now searching for some way to make the bill more palatable to all of his colleagues. And, there is Albina Guarnieri, who abstained because she doesn't support the bill as it stands or the gun registry as it stands. She is an expert, having prepared a study of the problems with it in 2004. She is also from Mississauga, a very urban riding. The Tories have basically won the registry battle, Mr. Flanagan said. On the Colvin front, however, he's not so sure. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, November 21, 2009 1:43 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Letter: Cuthand's aim way off SASKATOON STAR PHOENIX - NOVMEBER 21, 2009 Letter: Cuthand's aim way off By Rodney Barber http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/Cuthand/2250511/story.html Re: Dangerous mistake to scrap long gun registry (SP, Nov. 13). I am amazed by Doug Cuthand calling opponents of the registry "right-wing rednecks." Does he realize he insulted more than half of Canada, not to mention branding as rednecks the FSIN and the majority of First Nations people? Cuthand says, "Police use the registry to determine if firearms are in a house." That's true, but what police officer would respond to a call and take it for granted there is no firearm in the house? I'm sure that simply because the registry indicates no firearm in a home, police would leave their vests behind in their cruisers. Scrapping the long gun registry does not end the licensing of gun owners. Everyone must have a firearms licence and undergo training and a security check to get a gun. However, the most blatant nonsense Cuthand wrote is that accidental gun deaths are second only to those from auto accidents. Some causes of death more frequent than firearms accidents are falls, poisoning, fire, drowning, choking, force of nature, medical procedure complication, crossing the street and riding a bicycle. Rodney Barber, Leask, Sask. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:07:10 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: The movie "2012" Recently on MotherCorp, I heard an interview of the author of "2012". In the story, the Vatican and a Buddhist temple are destroyed along with most of the civilized world. I presume that a Jewish synagogue is similarly trashed as well. The interviewer asked why no Muslim holy place was shown to be destroyed. Answer: "I didn't want to have to live in fear of assassination after a fetwa was issued by a Muslim cleric." He's got a point. Remember the assassination of the guy who did those cartoons depicting Allah looking like a Taliban Jihadist with bombs and missiles? This is why Christian and Jewish facilities are regularly trashed and desecrated; because the vandals know there will be no serious, life threatening consequences. The "Christian Right" gets a lot of bad press for the stand it takes on a number of issues like abortion, stem cell research, the right to bear arms, etc.; Israel gets condemned for it's dealings with the Palestinians, but it is politically incorrect to check into the background of Muslim who has links to extremists and espouses violence for fear of "ethnic profiling". You gotta wonder if US soldiers are now going to be able to once again have access to private firearms on military bases. In the meantime, let's vilify the gun used by the shooter and pass more restrictive laws. "It has nothing to do with power - it's all about control" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:29:10 -0500 From: "bletchleypark" Subject: The Firearms Registry To: Mr. Selley: Now that you've had Ms.Cukier shill for her side of the registry debate, will you accord a law-abiding sport shooter of Ontario the equal opportunity voice an intelligent rebuttal on this issue? I understand that being a journalist in today's 'politically correct' media, objective balance is incredibly difficult to achieve. Yours Truly, Peter Wilson, CD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:02:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: NatPost - Letters - Texas's gun control lesson (II) (x2) http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2248882 Texas's gun control lesson (II) National Post Published: Saturday, November 21, 2009 Re: Texas's Lesson On Gun Control, letter to the editor, Nov. 20. Letter-writer Mahmood Elahi uses disconnected anecdotes and invective to attempt to prove that "guns are bad," in Texas and beyond. One could equally reference numerous incidents in jurisdictions with firearms registration to demonstrate the futility of the firearms registration. The concealed carry laws in Texas have decreased confrontational violent crime rates noticeably. Also, reports of crimes which were averted by law-abiding citizens tend to be under-reported. And to cast aspersions on the residents of the state of Texas is contrary to my experience. In various trips there I found nothing but friendly, intelligent and thoughtful people, who perhaps value their freedoms just a wee bit more than some. Robert S. Sciuk, Oshawa, Ont. http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2248883 Texas's gun control lesson (II) National Post Published: Saturday, November 21, 2009 Letter-writer Mahmood Elahi's criticism of gun control in Texas omits the spot where gun control in the state is absolute: on army bases. Major Nidal Malik Hasan was recently able to kill 13 people and wound 30 others because none of the victims were armed at Fort Hood. The reality is that had Major Hasan opened fire anywhere else in Texas, ordinary citizens carrying guns would have quickly brought his jihad to a full stop. Frank Hilliard, Grand Forks, B.C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:28:55 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: "Tom Flanagan believes bill....is a "political success story." - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: "Firearms Digest" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: "Tom Flanagan believes bill....is a "political success story." > Subject: "Tom Flanagan believes bill to abolish the long-gun registry is a > "political success story." > > GLOBE AND MAIL - NOVEMBER 20, 2009 > OTTAWA NOTEBOOK BY JANE TABER http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/tories-tar-long-gun-success-by-swinging-too-hard-on-torture/article1372213/ > > One week; two Tory strategies. One is a potential winner; the other could > potentially backfire. What does Stephen Harper's former top strategist > think? > > In the Liberal caucus meeting on Wednesday, Whip Rodger Cuzner announced > he > had recommended to Leader Michael Ignatieff that MPs should not be allowed > a free vote on certain private member's bills. And Mr. Ignatieff told his > caucus that he was taking this under advisement. I say go for it ~! If the Liberasl do not allow free votes then I can just imagine the backlash in rural ridings that will follow at the next election. ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:54:18 -0700 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: UP DATE ON WILLY FLOYD! Apparently Willy is walking... gingerly! He's been up and around, and the Trail Hospital is transferring him to Grand Forks. He's out of Intensive Care, but he has a mild case of Pneumonia. He appreciates the Flower Arrangement, sent by CUFOA. Hopefully he's in a recovery mode. Willy Floyd Box 193 Westbridge. B.C. V0H 2B0 Med ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:45:08 -0600 From: "Jim Szpajcher" Subject: Re: The movie "2012" Todd - Interesting thoughts. Here's my two bits: Given that the movie was made for countries with large Christian populations, trashing the Vatican is much different than a Christian trashing a Muslim holy place. Trashing Buddhist temples is something the Taliban did at Bamiyan, and we criticized them for it. Just because we find something acceptable in our culture should not imply that everyone in other cultures should find it acceptable. The Christian Right gets a lot of bad press from a Christian or secular media. Think about the relationship between the Shia and Sunni factions, to see a similar divide in the Muslim world. The United States went to war in response to Islamists who declared war on Christian, Imperial, policies. It is still at war, and brought the whole West into the war. That's how I see it, anyway. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Birch" To: Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: The movie "2012" > > Recently on MotherCorp, I heard an interview of the author of "2012". > > In the story, the Vatican and a Buddhist temple are destroyed along with > most of the civilized world. I presume that a Jewish synagogue is > similarly trashed as well. The interviewer asked why no Muslim holy place > was shown to be destroyed. > > Answer: "I didn't want to have to live in fear of assassination after a > fetwa was issued by a Muslim cleric." > > He's got a point. Remember the assassination of the guy who did those > cartoons depicting Allah looking like a Taliban Jihadist with bombs and > missiles? > This is why Christian and Jewish facilities are regularly trashed and > desecrated; because the vandals know there will be no serious, life > threatening consequences. > > The "Christian Right" gets a lot of bad press for the stand it takes on a > number of issues like abortion, stem cell research, the right to bear > arms, etc.; Israel gets condemned for it's dealings with the Palestinians, > but it is politically incorrect to check into the background of Muslim who > has links to extremists and espouses violence for fear of "ethnic > profiling". > > You gotta wonder if US soldiers are now going to be able to once again > have access to private firearms on military bases. > > In the meantime, let's vilify the gun used by the shooter and pass more > restrictive laws. > > "It has nothing to do with power - it's all about control" > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:49:44 -0400 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: They're eating their own young. The chattering classes haven't yet woken up to the fact that modern liberalism AKA "Big L" Liberalism has depleted its gene pool. There are no better choices than Dion or Iggy. The party is dying, and good riddance! Maybe now we can get back to classical liberal ideology in this country. You know the idea that each adult human individual is primarily responsible and beholden to him/herself and should be left the hell alone unless actually posing a credible risk to others. Ironically, classical liberalism is a right wing philosophy. Fascism and Nazism are both left wing, as are communism and socialism. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/dions-wife-goes-rogue/article1372858/ Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:18 PM - - Stephen Wicary Dion's wife goes rogue? A scathing message attacking Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff appeared today on the Facebook site belonging to Janine Krieber - the wife of Mr. Ignatieff's predecessor, Stéphane Dion. The message, a copy of which was obtained by The Globe, says the party "is falling apart, and will not recover." It also blames "the Toronto elites" for being out of tune, arrogant and unrealistic. Mr. Ignatieff's leadership is openly questioned, as is his decision to shun the coalition deal struck by Mr. Dion, NDP Leader Jack Layton and Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe. "The time for choices is now," the message says. The Canadian Press reports, citing unnamed sources, that Mr. Dion himself was not involved in producing the note. It was deleted from the Facebook site this afternoon, and Liberal officials are refusing comment. The text of the note, and The Globe's English translation, follow. - --- Ça fait un an et une semaine que je n'ai pas écrit dans mon blog. Ah! que la présidente est paresseuse. Mais maintenant, il faut faire quelque chose. Le parti libéral est en pleine déconfiture, il ne s'en remettra pas. Comme tous les partis libéraux d'Europe, il deviendra une pauvre petite chose à la merci des coalitions éphémères. Pour avoir refusé la coalition historique qui pouvait le mettre à la tête de la gauche, il sera puni par l'histoire. Bon, j'en était convaincue au moment où Paul Martin a traité si cavalièrement Jean Chrétien. Ce moment a signé la mort de notre parti. Si les élites de Toronto avaient été plus éveillées, humbles et réalistes, Stéphane était prêt à prendre tout le temps et les coups pour reconstruire ce parti. Mais ils n'ont pas avalé le 26%, maintenant nous sommes à 23%. Le temps des choix est arrivé. Je ne veux pas que les conservateurs continuent à changer mon pays. Ils sont en train, doucement, comme n'importe quelle dictature, de transformer le monde. La torture n'existe pas, la corruption est une vue de l'esprit. Avons nous vraiment le bon chef pour discuter de ces questions? Est-ce que quelqu'un peut vraiment écrire toutes ces insanités et nous faire croire qu'il a tout simplement changé d'idée? Pour justifier la violence, il faut avoir réfléchi sérieusement. Sinon, c'est très dangereux. Qu'est-ce qui nous garantie qu'il ne changera pas d'idée une autre fois? Tout ceci, la base du parti l'avais compris et le citoyen canadien est en train de le comprendre. Les supporters de Ignatieff n'ont pas fait leurs devoirs. Ils n'ont pas lu ses livres, n'ont pas consulté ses collègues. Ils se sont contentés de son habileté à naviguer dans les cocktails. Certains d'entre eux sont enragés maintenant. J'entend: pourquoi personne ne l'a dit? Nous vous l'avons dit haut et fort, vous n'avez pas écouté. J'amorce une réflexion sérieuse. Je ne veux pas donner ma voix à un parti qui risque de finir dans les poubelles de l'histoire. Je regarde autour et il y a certaines choses qui me plaisent. Comme un parti dédié, qui ne conteste pas son chef à chaque hoquet des sondages. Un parti où la règle serait le principe de plaisir et non l'assassinat. Un parti où l'éthique du travail et de la compétence seraient respectés et où les sourires ne seraient pas factices. Je ne rêve peut-être pas. La présidente - --- [English Translation] It's been a year and one week since I last wrote on my blog. Ah! "la présidente" is lazy. But we have to take action now. The Liberal Party is falling apart, and will not recover. Like all liberal parties in Europe, it will become a weakling at the mercy of ephemeral coalitions. By refusing the historic coalition that would have placed it at the helm of the left, it will be punished by history. Anyway, I became convinced of it the moment that Paul Martin treated Jean Chrétien so cavalierly. The party died at that moment. If the Toronto elites had been more in tune, humble and realist, Stéphane would have been willing to take all the time and absord all the hits needed to rebuild the party. But they couldn't swallow the 26%, and now we are at 23%. The time for choices is now. I don't want to see the Conservatives continue to change my country. They are, slowly, like any dictatorship, changing the world. Torture doesn't exist, corruption is a fabrication. Do we really have the right leader to discuss these questions? Can someone really write these insanities and lead us to believe that he simply changed his mind? In order to justify violence, he must have engaged in serious thought. Otherwise, it's very dangerous. How can we be sure that he won't change his mind one more time? The party grassroots had understood all of that, and the average citizen is starting to understand it too. Ignatieff's supporters have not done their homework. They did not read his books, consult his colleagues. They were satisfied that he could be charming at cocktails. Some of them are outraged now. I am hearing: Why did no one say it? We told you loud and clear, you didn't listen. I am starting a serious reflection. I will not give my voice to a party that will end up in the trashcan of history. I am looking around me, and certain things are attractive. Like a dedicated party that doesn't challenge its leader at every hiccup in the polls. A party where the rule would be the principle of pleasure, and not assassination. A party where work ethic and competence would be respected and where smiles would be real. Maybe I'm not dreaming. "La présidente." - --- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding= or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, November 21, 2009 9:04 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: US Justice Department supports more 'gun control' Holder tells Senate committee Justice Department supports more 'gun control' November 21, 10:57 AM - Gun Rights Examiner, David Codrea http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d21-Holder-tells-Senate-committee-Justice-Department-supports-more-gun-control In unmistakably clear admissions before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Nov. 18, Attorney General Eric Holder signaled strong administration support for additional "gun control" edicts. Law Enforcement Alliance of America, the only national law enforcement organization to oppose Holder's confirmation, issued a press release warning: Drawing reasonable conclusions from what Holder publicly said, we now know: . Holder wants a national, permanent gun registration system administered by law enforcement. A registration of honest citizens that have cleared the federal background check for gun purchases with those records permanently retained by and shared among law enforcement. . Holder wants new federal authority to prohibit any person on the federal watch list (reported to be 400,000 names) from buying guns and supports confiscating guns from those on the list who possess them. I held off on bringing this release to the attention of Gun Rights Examiner readers because I wanted to corroborate the claims--which, unfortunately, the official transcript of Holder's prepared remarks, posted on the Justice Department website, do not. So I contacted LEAA and spoke last night with their Chief Operating Officer and national spokesman, Ted Deeds. He told me they were reporting on remarks made during questioning, and sent me a transcript of the appropriate segments of AG Holder's testimony: http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d21-Holder-tells-Senate-committee-Justice-Department-supports-more-gun-control Why is it that when Dianne Feinstein says "Excellent," the immediate image that comes to mind is a gleefully malevolent Montgomery Burns? And yes, I caught that this was supported by the Bush administration. Some of us were consistent in not giving him a pass when he was in power. Click here to watch Holder's morning session testimony for yourself on C-SPAN, noting the time relevant exchanges begin from the above embedded document. http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/11/18/HP/A/26128/Senate+Judiciary+Cmte+Hearing+on+DOJ+Oversight+with+AG+Holder.aspx As we've discussed before, some of the opponents of repealing the Tiahrt amendment might surprise those who haven't been paying attention: [T]he Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) has always supported language protecting firearm trace data, now known as the Tiahrt Amendment... ATF itself has repeatedly gone to court to fight the release of its data, because the release can have a negative effect on its efforts to investigate illegal gun trafficking and threaten the safety of officers and witnesses. And as we've seen before, that "no fly list" nets some peculiar catches: U.S. Sen. Edward M. "Ted" Kennedy said yesterday that he was stopped and questioned at airports on the East Coast five times in March because his name appeared on the government's secret "no-fly" list. Besides which, our entire criminal justice system is supposed to be based on presumption of innocence. But let's explore the rationale of those who think differently: If denying gun purchases to people on government suspicion lists is "good" (an no one thinks this will be limited to Al-Qaeda and not include "homegrown" persons of interest, do they?), then disarming these suspects and taking away their existing arms must be "better." How would the federal government do that without using registration lists to enable confiscation? You know, what prominent media voices sneer at and dismiss whenever the possibility of it is raised... And ask yourself why major "Authorized Journalist" outlets aren't reporting on this, and indeed, if you relied on some to answer if there is evidence the administration wants more gun control, their reply would be a scoffing "Absolutely none whatsoever." - --- Learn about LEAA: The Law Enforcement Alliance of America (LEAA) is the nation's largest non-profit, non-partisan coalition of law enforcement professionals, crime victims, and concerned citizens united for justice. With a major focus on public education, LEAA is dedicated to providing hard facts and real-world insights into the world of law enforcement and the battle against violent crime. LEAA fights at every level of government for legislation that reduces violent crime while preserving the rights of honest citizens, particularly the right of self-defense. Visit their website for more information. http://www.leaa.org/ UPDATE: Gun Owners of America has more. http://www.rightsidenews.com/200911217408/homeland-security/attorney-general-holder-reveals-aggressive-gun-control-in-response-to-ft-hood-terror-attack.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:16:47 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: New Canadian Firearms Auction Site BestGunWeb.Com http://www.bestgunweb.com/ I have posted stuff to this site. Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #572 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)