Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, November 25 2009 Volume 13 : Number 580 In this issue: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" Response to Gordon Steele in the Camrose Canadian BC Teachers Federation - Urgent action needed on gun registry Re: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" Re: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" Somalia/Afghanistan **NFA** Re: Importing a gun barrel RE: Somalia/Afghanistan **NFR** FACs - PALs - POLs The Urban Deerslayer: The New York Times Meet Your Meat: Diner's Journal- The NY Times Blog ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:02:47 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" This story sounds like a movie script. The level of organization of this escape raises questions. Also, a criminal wielding a sawed-off shotgun holding up a police officer to steal her gun is a first in my memory of crime news stories. From his name and photo there is another question I'd ask but it would be politically incorrect. I hope there is a lengthy follow-up story whether they catch this guy or not. "Hamilton police consider the three armed and dangerous and warned the public against approaching them." I always think when the police give this warning. Sure thing I don't want to approach these guys but what motivation do they have to not approach we unarmed, helpless citizens? That's what I'd like to know. http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Police+forces+alerted+hospital+escapee/2265389/story.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:56:22 -0600 (CST) From: Walter Martindale Subject: Response to Gordon Steele in the Camrose Canadian Just sent to Camrose Canadian: Letter writer Gordon Steele, 70, of Edmonton, can't understand gun owners. He draws the parallel between car registration and firearm registration, and can't fathom "our" paranoia. (Despite the NZ address, I'm Alberta born, and licensed to own firearms in both Canada and NZ). The major difference between firearm licencing and registration, and automobile licensing and registration: you don't go to jail for owning a car without a driving license. Let your firearms license expire, however, and an agency of the federal government sends you correspondence that says, essentially, 'Sell, destroy, hand in to police, or otherwise dispose of your guns (and prove it), or you're a criminal, and we'll come and get you, sieze your formerly legal, and legally procured property, throw you in jail, and cost you your entire fortune (if you have one) in legal fees, fines, or whatever'. All of this search and siezure, I understand, can be done without warrant, or in response to one malicious phone call from an "informant" who merely didn't like the fact that your lawn mower woke them from a nap (for example). That won't happen with a car. To have your car siezed, you actually have to commit a criminal act against another person using the car. To have your firearms siezed, you merely have to forget to renew something, and wait for your birthday. There is, Gordon, a significant difference between car registration and firearm registration. What happens if your driver's licence expires? Not much. What happens the day after your firearms license expires? You are in illegal possession of firearms which were just fine the day before. Not so with a car. Or a dog. Or just about anything else. Here in NZ, the rules about handgun ownership are slightly more strict than in Canada, but they tried long-gun registration back in the 80s, I believe, and gave it up as unworkable. Canada didn't take note. Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, November 25, 2009 3:20 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: BC Teachers Federation - Urgent action needed on gun registry BCTF School Staff Alert November 12, 2009 Urgent action needed on gun registry http://bctf.ca/publications/SchoolStaffAlert.aspx?id=20034 CONTACT US: http://bctf.ca/ContactUs.aspx British Columbia Teachers' Federation 100 - 550 West 6th Avenue Vancouver, B.C. Canada V5Z 4P2 Phone 604-871-2283, 1-800-663-9163 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:47:37 -0700 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: Re: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" I'm wondering if it would help, to notify the Hamilton Police and tell them to use the Gun Registration files..?? Thats what it's for, isn't it..?? SCRAP THE FIREARMS ACT Med Crotteau - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry James Fillo" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" > This story sounds like a movie script. The level of organization of > this escape raises questions. Also, a criminal wielding a sawed-off > shotgun holding up a police officer to steal her gun is a first in my > memory of crime news stories. From his name and photo there is > another question I'd ask but it would be politically incorrect. I > hope there is a lengthy follow-up story whether they catch this guy > or not. > > "Hamilton police consider the three armed and dangerous and warned > the public against approaching them." I always think when the police > give this warning. Sure thing I don't want to approach these guys but > what motivation do they have to not approach we unarmed, helpless > citizens? That's what I'd like to know. > > http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Police+forces+alerted+hospital+escapee/2265389/story.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:50:34 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" 'fegedaboudit' The Hamilton police dept has been described as the most corrupt in Canada after the Surete de Quebec. ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Med Crotteau" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" > I'm wondering if it would help, to notify the Hamilton Police and tell > them to use the Gun Registration files..?? > > Thats what it's for, isn't it..?? > > SCRAP THE FIREARMS ACT > > > Med Crotteau > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry James Fillo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:02 PM > Subject: "Police forces alerted to hospital escapee" > > >> This story sounds like a movie script. The level of organization of >> this escape raises questions. Also, a criminal wielding a sawed-off >> shotgun holding up a police officer to steal her gun is a first in my >> memory of crime news stories. From his name and photo there is >> another question I'd ask but it would be politically incorrect. I >> hope there is a lengthy follow-up story whether they catch this guy >> or not. >> >> "Hamilton police consider the three armed and dangerous and warned >> the public against approaching them." I always think when the police >> give this warning. Sure thing I don't want to approach these guys but >> what motivation do they have to not approach we unarmed, helpless >> citizens? That's what I'd like to know. >> >> http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Police+forces+alerted+hospital+escapee/2265389/story.html >> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:07:17 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Somalia/Afghanistan **NFA** As a result of an inquiry into the death of a Somali at the hands of some airborne soldiers, low ranking personnel faced courts martial and the regiment was disbanded. If the brouhaha about handing suspected Taliban fighters over to the ANA results in a public inquiry, I wonder whose A$$ will be in a sling? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:10:59 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Importing a gun barrel > Subject: Gun Barrel > > Any suggestion or experience in ordering a handgun barrel from the > US? How can someone do this is there a stack of paperwork to fill > out, will US companies ship to Canada? I tried to purchase a Ruger .44 Carbine via U.S. dealers some time back and was advised absolutely not possible - but doable via a U.S. dealer to Canadian dealer arrangement. I had communication with SIR Cabela's in Calgary which is linked to the U.S. Cabela's and was advised there was no way they good arrange to set-up a deal with the Carbine in stock at another Cablela's store in the U.S. SIR said: > No sorry we can’t bring in guns from other stores, it’s a question > asked everyday and everyday I have to disappoint people on this, its > just like an American citizen coming in to buy a gun he can’t we have > laws and regulations in place, the same goes for bring guns in across > the boarder, laws and regulations are in place and the cost of > licensing just to bring one gun in is crazy, but thanks for the > email. Happy holidays. Wouldn't Canada Customs consider a barrel a 'firearm'? I emailed a U.S. stock manufacturer about a getting a thumb-hold style synthetic stock and never had a reply. When in doubt, go to The Source: Export & Import Controls > http://www.international.gc.ca/eicb/military/faq-en.asp#7 Q1. I want to buy a firearm from the US and have it sent to me in Canada. A1. Any holder of a valid Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) may import a restricted or non-restricted firearm, depending on the limitations of their PAL. However, the US control the export of most firearms (antiques and muzzle-loaders are not controlled for export) and the US must issue an export licence to the American exporter. Prior to issuing this licence the US government requires that the Canadian importer present a document from Canada allowing this proposed transaction. To satisfy that US requirement Canadian residents may apply for an International Import Certificate (IIC). The following steps are involved; 1. have the US seller identify the exporter - the US government requires that this exporter be a Federal Firearms Licenced (FFL) gun dealer for most exports. In many cases the US seller is an FFL dealer. 2. apply to International Trade Canada (ITCan) for an International Import Certificate (IIC) by calling (613) 996-2387 or by faxing your request to (613) 996-9933 and requesting blank application forms. Once completed, the form should be returned to ITCan for processing and certification. Expect this process to take 2-3 weeks. The certified document will then be returned to the applicant for onward delivery to the US exporter. There is no charge for the IIC. 3. pre-register the firearm through the Canada Firearms Centre. Pre-registration allows the importer to clear the firearm through the Canada Border Service Agency without any undue delay. 4. the US exporter will attach their copy of the IIC to their application for an export licence. In the US, applications for shotguns are administered by the Department of Commerce and for all other firearms are administered by the Department of State. 5. once the US export licence is issued the US exporter may then send the firearm to Canada. 6. the Canadian importer is responsible for declaring the value of the firearm to Canada Customs and for ensuring that all safe storage and safe transportation regulations are observed. 7. within 30 days of arrival in Canada, the importer must have the firearm verified and such verification confirmed with the Canada Firearms Centre. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:21:22 -0500 From: "Mark L Horstead" Subject: RE: Somalia/Afghanistan **NFR** > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of Todd Birch > Sent: 25-Nov-09 19:07 > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Somalia/Afghanistan **NFA** > > As a result of an inquiry into the death of a Somali at the > hands of some airborne soldiers, low ranking personnel faced > courts martial and the regiment was disbanded. > > If the brouhaha about handing suspected Taliban fighters over > to the ANA results in a public inquiry, I wonder whose A$$ > will be in a sling? None of us. The objective is to smear Mr Harper and the Conservative Party. Taliban Jack and Iffy are not interested in anybody else. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:12:50 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: FACs - PALs - POLs What's that little card called; the one with my photo on it? > To own a firearm in Canada you must take a course in safe firearms use and > the laws relating to it. You then take a written and practical exam. If you > pass you can then apply to the RCMP for a Firearms Acquisition Certificate > (FAC). The application form also includes a section for your wife (or > recent ex) to sign, consenting to [your] purchase [of] a firearm. After police > checks you will be issued a photo ID FAC to enable you to purchase a > firearm. To hunt, you then take another course in hunting and legal > responsibilities that go with hunting, including trespass laws. > > When you are granted an FAC you are in the RCMP registry as a gun owner. > For more information on legal gun ownership and sport shooting check out > the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters (OFAH) and the Canadian > Shooting Sports Association (CSSA) on the web. Please get the facts before > you decide. > > East Grey Hunters and Anglers Yes indeed' get The Facts! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, November 25, 2009 7:05 pm From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: The Urban Deerslayer: The New York Times The Urban Deerslayer http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/25/dining/25hunt.html By SEAN PATRICK FARRELL Published: November 24, 2009 CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. THE call to forge deeper connections with the food we eat has pulled thousands to the nation’s farmers’ markets, sprouted a million backyard seedlings and jump-started an interest in scratch baking, canning and other county-fair pursuits. Now add hunting to the list. Novice urban hunters are forming classes and clubs to learn skills that a few generations ago were often passed down from parent to child. Jackson Landers, an insurance broker by day, teaches a course here called Deer Hunting for Locavores. Mr. Landers, 31, started the classes earlier this year for largely urban adults who, like him, did not grow up stalking prey but have gravitated to harvesting and cooking their own game. He tailored his course to food-obsessed city people with lessons on deer biology, habitat and anatomy, and rounded out his students’ education with field trips to a firing range to practice shooting and a session on butchery and cooking. One of the last lessons covered field dressing a freshly killed deer. As the students gathered around, Mr. Landers produced a hunting knife and explained its gut-hook feature, which promised to open the deer “like a zipper.” “I’d never fired a gun before,” said Michael Davis, 44, a graphic designer and a student in the class. “I grew up in Southern California. We surfed, we didn’t hunt.” But Mr. Davis, a self-described foodie, said he needed to understand what it means to hunt for food. “I think going through my life without at least experiencing that most primal thing of hunting would be cheating,” he said. It was a taste for wild boar that spurred Nick Zigelbaum, 26, and Nick Chaset, 27, to form a hunting and dining club in San Francisco that they call the Bull Moose Hunting Society. The society, founded in 2007, was designed to appeal to young urban residents looking to expand their horizons. The club now has roughly 55 dues-paying members, many of them in their 20s and 30s, who hunt for boar, pheasant and waterfowl together. They share local hunting knowledge and the spoils of a good day in the field at semi-regular events they call boar-b-ques and wild food dinners. Mr. Chaset, who is now attending graduate business school in Washington, D.C., recently established a chapter of the club there. The founders hope that someday they’ll have a chapter in every major American urban area. Nationwide, the number of hunters has been in decline for decades. The country’s shift from rural to urban life is the main reason, said Mark Damian Duda, executive director of Responsive Management, a survey and research firm that specializes in natural resources and outdoor recreation issues. According to his firm’s research, only 22 percent of hunters now say they hunt primarily for food. Most say they do so for recreation or to spend time with their families. “Thirty years ago it was about half the hunters who were hunting for food,” Mr. Duda said. The connection never completely faded, though. Some American chefs who grew up with rifles in their hands have long been passionate about wild game, even if the law forbids them from serving it in their restaurants. The subject has also been taken up recently by the writers Michael Pollan, who shoots a wild boar in “The Omnivore’s Dilemma,” and Steven Rinella, who chronicled his quest to kill a wild American bison in “American Buffalo.” But until recently, tree stands and Mossy Oak camouflage were rarely mentioned in the same breath as, say, heirloom tomatoes. Anthony Licata, editor of Field & Stream magazine, said he wasn’t surprised that a new generation of eaters was discovering what traditional hunters have known all along: “There’s nothing more organic and free range than meat you hunt for yourself and your family,” he said. Mr. Licata, who is 35 and lives in New Jersey, said he thought interest in hunting among young urban locavores was bound to grow. “When you do hunt and if you’re lucky enough to fill your freezer with venison and feed your family, it’s a powerful thing,” he said. “They aren’t going to want to stop.” - -- -- Video Content; - - To view the video report associated with the article; "The Urban Deerslayer", called "Closer to the Bone"; Click on the link just below; http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/11/24/dining/1247465837395/closer-to-the-bone.html?emc=eta1 - -- -- Article Continued; Mr. Landers, who tries to take Virginia’s full limit of six deer a year, agreed. For the cost of the necessary licenses, $36.50, he said he can stock his freezer with nearly free protein. He also argued that for the environmentally conscious, hunting is fairly carbon neutral. “If you can shoot a deer in your own backyard, butcher it there, that’s zero food miles,” he said. A recent convert to hunting, he became interested in wild game a few years ago when he inherited his great-grandfather’s hunting rifle. He read up on deer management, queried his in-laws, many of whom are lifelong hunters, and was soon putting venison on the table. Like many people, he’d also become concerned about large scale agricultural methods, the use of antibiotics in livestock and the ethics of raising animals in tight quarters. Hunting seemed like a good alternative. “I felt bad about meat, but not so bad that I was willing to give it up,” he said. Before founding the Bull Moose Hunting Society, Mr. Zigelbaum and Mr. Chaset wanted a closer connection with their food, but finding information about hunting in the Bay Area was daunting. Mr. Chaset recalled searching for a suitable wild boar hunting weapon at a gun shop in the Mission District of San Francisco. The staff tried to convince him that a pistol would be fine. He left with the shop’s only rifle, a .308, which he used to fell his first boar in the hills of Mendocino County, an experience he described as “an epiphany.” “I got this strong sensation of the cycle of life,” he said. It didn’t hurt that he thought the taste of the boar was amazing. Mr. Zigelbaum said the meat, which tends to be darker and denser than domesticated pork, was “lean, but tasted like bacon.” He’s heading to the south of France soon where he hopes to study traditional charcuterie methods. Wild boar prosciutto, he said, would be “awesome.” Their club, named with a nod to the hunter and conservationist Theodore Roosevelt, is as much about rural foodways as it is about environmentalism. Mr. Zigelbaum, who is a consultant to the Natural Resources Defense Council, the environmental group, noted that the wild boar is an invasive species whose rampant rooting has caused considerable damage to California rangeland. In Virginia, and across much of the East, the white-tailed deer population has shot up dramatically, causing fatal auto accidents, damaging crops and gardens and out-competing other animals for food and habitat. State game agency officials have supported Mr. Landers’s efforts to introduce new hunters and they plan to supply him with deer to demonstrate field dressing and butchery even after the season. Few of the 20 students who have signed up for his class, which he advertised on his blog and a site for local news, had firearms experience or had ever gutted a deer. But all were lured by the idea of harvesting wild food from nearby woods and providing it for their friends and family. A few thought they were missing a part of the human experience, and others saw road kill as wasted meat littering the sides of the highway at a time when many are struggling to pay grocery bills. On a recent Saturday, Mr. Landers convened a half-dozen of his students for an impromptu class on proper field dressing. Mr. Landers is a fan of quick basic field butchery, which he says reduces the gaminess usually associated with venison. He also favors a large cooler to transport meat back to possibly squeamish urban areas, especially for those who don’t have a truck. Soon the students, working in tandem to clean the animal, began to see the progress of their work. “It really began to look like meat pretty quickly,” said Brian Donato, 43, who helped to gut, skin and break down the deer into quarters, loins and scraps for sausage. For Ted Peters, 77, hunting seemed like a natural solution to an overabundant deer population, which had begun to impede another local food pursuit. “They eat my garden, so I thought maybe I should eat them,” he said. The deer was the centerpiece of a dinner held the next evening at the home of one of Mr. Landers’s students. In a graduation of sorts, they balanced glasses of local wine and plates of homemade spaetzle with slices of spice-rubbed, pinwheeled and beer-braised venison backstrap, a prized cut that runs along a deer’s spine. Eddie Harrison, 16, the youngest student in the class, who attended with his father, declared the meat “some of the best I’ve ever had,” and compared it to a dish from Mas, a popular Charlottesville restaurant. In a corner, Scott Swanson and another student made plans for post-graduation hunts. Two weeks later, Mr. Swanson, who keeps a version of the popular bar video game “Deer Hunter” on his iPhone, managed to get “a nice little doe,” which filled the trunk of his car with about 50 to 60 pounds of bone-in meat. “From the time I pulled the trigger and the time I had it my trunk was just under two hours,” said Mr. Swanson, 31, a technical project manager at a Web development company. He said he was planning to slice the backstrap into medallions to marinate and roast them over his grill. For Nina Burke, 50, a systems administrator, who made the two-hour drive from Fredericksburg, Va., to Charlottesville to attend Mr. Landers’s classes, it was about the flavor. “I really like venison,” she said, explaining she’d often exchanged baked goods for the fine-grained low-fat meat. “This class was the chance of a lifetime,” she said. “I always thought that the only way I would get a deer was with my car.” Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company ------------------------------ Date: Wed, November 25, 2009 7:06 pm From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Meet Your Meat: Diner's Journal- The NY Times Blog Meet Your Meat http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/25/meet-your-meat/#comment Image & Caption "Nick Chaset co-founded the Bull Moose Hunting Society, a hunting and dining club in San Francisco." - - Photo by: Michael Temchine for The New York Times By SEAN PATRICK FARRELL November 25, 2009, 10:47 am In Wednesday’s Dining section I wrote about urban food lovers’ growing interest in the world’s oldest meat procurement method: hunting. Perhaps not surprisingly, many people exploring hunting for the first time are already steeped in the ethos of the farmers’ market and locavorism. Some felt the meat they hunt will be healthier, akin to food grown in their own gardens. Others felt a moral obligation to understand the process of hunting. For many of them, forging a stronger connection with one’s food means killing it, butchering and cooking it oneself. A few people told me that hunting has encouraged them to more carefully consider the meat they eat. Some even reduced their meat consumption after learning to hunt. One young man said his girlfriend, once a vegetarian, has begun to eat meat, but only if it is wild game. Where do you fall on the hunted meat continuum? Is all meat consumption wrong or are there shades to carnivorism? Is hunting and eating a wild animal yourself ethically different than paying someone else to raise it and slaughter it for you? What about the environment? The Bull Moose Hunting Society featured in the article is named with a nod to Theodore Roosevelt, who was a champion of preserving wild lands and enjoying the hunt. His Boone and Crockett hunting club was one of the earliest American conservation groups. Some argue that hunters continue to play an important environmental role: keeping large populations of animals like white-tailed deer and invasive species, like wild boar, in check. Then there’s the larger issue of the carbon footprint. Domestic livestock are no small contributor to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Can hunting really reduce your food-miles, as Jackson Landers, the instructor of the Hunting for Locavores class, argues? All of this and we haven’t even gotten to the second amendment yet. - -- -- Related Article Websites and Links; Bull Moose Hunting Society http://zigelbaum.com/nick/BMHS/ Boone and Crockett http://www.boone-crockett.org/ NYT Posts published by Sean Patrick Farrell http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/author/sean-patrick-farrell/ "Meet Your Meat" http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/25/meet-your-meat/ By SEAN PATRICK FARRELL Is hunting for your own food politically correct? 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