Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, April 13 2010 Volume 13 : Number 805 In this issue: Conservative candidate refuses to comment on gun registry Disconnect between Ottawa and Ontario [Excerpted] Re: Registry checks Bay-Area Burb Can Ban Palin Billboard [Fwd: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required:] David Jordan & Rabid Dogs Re: Registry checks Re: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required:] RE: Barb Kane seems [Effectiveness of licensing, etc] Random Stops and Searchs The Economist: Europe's ban on imported seal fur is under fire [none] Russia engineered air crash, claims Polish MP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, April 13, 2010 8:52 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Conservative candidate refuses to comment on gun registry KOOTENAY NEWS ADVERTISER - APRIL 12, 2010 Wilks announces his candidacy for MP spot By Brian Coombs - Kootenay News Advertiser http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/90621644.html Sparwood Mayor David Wilks was in Cranbrook recently to announce his candidacy for the Conservative Party nomination for the riding of Kootenay/Columbia. He began a short speech at Cranbrook's Heritage Inn by talking a little about the outgoing MP Jim Abbott. "Jim Abbott has served the Kootenay/Columbia constituents as well as this great nation for the past 17 years. His dedication and heartfelt compassion is a testament to his longevity and the trust that people have in him. His retirement from public life is one that is deserved and he will now be able to enjoy unfettered time with family and friends," said Wilks. He then outlined his past service to the country and area which included 20 years in the RCMP, owning a small business, entering municipal politics in 2002, becoming Mayor of Sparwood in 2005 and being a director and then chair of the Regional District of East Kootenay. In his speech, he outlined what he thinks voters are looking for in an MP. He said that the government should be fiscally prudent, that the environment must be protected, Canadians should have reasonable access to health care regardless of their ability to pay and that the country should accept its obligations among other nations. "The spirit behind our campaign is based upon a vision. It's about creating a dialog with Canadians. It's about earning the trust of the people and being honest with them. It's about sound fiscal management, and working toward a safer, stronger and vibrant Canada," explained Wilks. When asked about topics such as Canada's involvement in Afghanistan and the gun registry, he said that he would not comment on those or other issues until after he had received the nomination from the Conservative Party. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:27:46 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Disconnect between Ottawa and Ontario [Excerpted] [This is redacted to heck; but follow the link and you'll see I haven't fudged the intent. I simply used the opportunity to pillory our thoughtless politicians]. Liberals eye adding 18 seats to Legislature But `we don't need more politicians,' [Ontario] Tories say > http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/794344--liberals-eye-adding-18-seats-to-legislature In Ontario: Ontario's Liberals and New Democrats like the idea of adding 18 seats to the Legislature, but the *Progressive* Conservatives said Monday the last thing people need is more politicians. Ottawa's *Regressive* CONServatives: Prime Minister Stephen Harper recently announced legislation to add 30 new members of Parliament because of population growth: 18 in Ontario, seven in British Columbia and five in Alberta. Representation for the other provinces would stay the same. >>>> Consider this! Ontario now has 107 MPPs, down from a peak of 130 starting in 1987. Meanwhile: Tim Whodat (Never trust a politician who's never held a job outside of politics) says: "I don't think many Ontario families see adding more politicians as the right thing to do under these fiscal circumstances," said Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak. "Surely to goodness we don't need more politicians at this point in time." [Methinks the young man's brain has atrophied, prematurely. Harps and McSquint are simply 'walking-the-talk' about Canada's Economic Action Plan that I see on signs posted across The Land. It's just a more noble form of job control , , , like the unending adding to poelease departments]. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:32:20 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Registry checks > >I was stopped for exceeding the speed limit on an Ottawa area parkway, >by RCMP. The first question the officer asked was "do you have any >firearms in your vehicle" > >After he checked me out he told me how many I had registered. >Don Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca 1) You are licensed gun owner 2) You were stopped for speeding 3) It is none of the officers business whether or not you have firearms in the vehicle. 4) The officer can NOT search your vehicle if you tell the officer that it is none of their business. 5) Why would the officer think it necessary or relevant to tell you the number of guns you have registere to you? 6) Why would the police think it is necessary to check the firearms owners license database on a traffic stop? 7) Please take note the it is the firearms owners license database that is checked. That is the database that has the names of gun owners. 8) How did the police office know that the record in the fireams owner licensing database was really yours? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:59:46 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Bay-Area Burb Can Ban Palin Billboard [Bash the Right and the 1st Amendment] Judge: Bay-Area Burb Can Ban Palin Billboard AOL News; Richard C. Paddock San Francisco Correspondent > http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/judge-san-francisco-suburb-of - -san-carlos-can-ban-sarah-palin-billboard/19437408?icid=main|netscap e|dl1|link7|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fnation%2Farticle%2Fjudge-s an-francisco-suburb-of-san-carlos-can-ban-sarah-palin-billboard%2F19437408 SAN FRANCISCO (April 13) -- The San Francisco suburb of San Carlos can prohibit a new billboard that would have promoted Sarah Palin for president in 2012, a federal judge ruled Monday. U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel dismissed a lawsuit by Jeff Herson, a Nevada billboard company owner who had sought to erect a "Palin for President" billboard overlooking heavily traveled Highway 101. "It's a terrible loss for the First Amendment today," said Herson's father, attorney Alan Herson, who has represented his son in suits seeking to erect billboards in jurisdictions where they are banned. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:11 -0600 (CST) From: cfdmod@bogend.ca Subject: [Fwd: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required:] Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20100413102735.00defd80@pop.telus.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:27:35 -0600 To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Registry checks >One evening I was followed out of town of Stonewall by the RCMP. It was >more than obvious that they were interested in me for some unknown >reason. As I signaled to turned down the road where I live a lone RCMP >officer pulled me over. As the officer approached my vehicle I asked >him if anything was wrong. The young French officer said in broken >English that he was just checking on my well being as he used his >flashlight to probe the interior of my vehicle. I have been told by RCMP officers that they need a reason to stop and interview a citizen if there is no evidence of a violation. Stopping individuals at random for no sufficient reason is a no-no according to them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:08:06 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: David Jordan & Rabid Dogs Contrary to the locally spreading rumour, David Jordan was not attacked by rabid dogs. David is in Saskatoon St. Paul Hospital recovering from double pneumonia. Room #: 614 Telephone number: (306) 655-5000 Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:26:59 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Registry checks Larry wrote: > as he used his flashlight to probe the interior of my vehicle Isn't that a Charter violation? Since he wasn't invited to 'have a look', isn't this equivalent to being a 'peeping Tom'? > In clear view of the officer I slowly > reached over to the passenger seat, picked up a big black sheath, > unzipped it, very slowly pulled out my pool que. > > **I told the officer that I was deadly with this baby and had out-shot many > opponents with it.** > > He bid me a good evening and went on his way. I submit . . . Larry's piece as worthy of 'Pith' of the week. (The word comes from the Old English word piþa and Middle Dutch pit, meaning the pit. The important or essential part; essence; core; heart: the pith of the matter. Significant weight; substance; solidity: an argument without pith). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:40:15 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required:] Its called "fishing " ed/on - ----- Original Message ----------------------- From: To: "CFD " Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:05 PM Subject: [Fwd: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required:] > Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20100413102735.00defd80@pop.telus.net> > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:27:35 -0600 > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > From: 10x@telus.net > Subject: Re: Registry checks > >>One evening I was followed out of town of Stonewall by the RCMP. It was >>more than obvious that they were interested in me for some unknown >>reason. As I signaled to turned down the road where I live a lone RCMP >>officer pulled me over. As the officer approached my vehicle I asked >>him if anything was wrong. The young French officer said in broken >>English that he was just checking on my well being as he used his >>flashlight to probe the interior of my vehicle. > > I have been told by RCMP officers that they need a reason to stop and > interview a citizen if there is no evidence of a violation. > Stopping individuals at random for no sufficient reason is a no-no > according to them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:44:53 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: RE: Barb Kane seems [Effectiveness of licensing, etc] To: Canadian Firearms Digest Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:22:31 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: 10xnails it: RE: Barb Kane seems [Effectiveness of licensing, etc] Leave it to simple ole Al; even in his pubescent stage as Justice Min he acknowledged that the gun owners of Canada (collectors and fanciers, target shooter, hunters, etc.) were NOT 'the' problem. That's why he provided for the 'grandfathering', CFSC exempt, of all Canucks into his FPCertificate. He stated, "If such a person is a concern, the authorities will know about it; the person will have been charged, convicted, etc. of careless use or other matters." - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee, What do CFSC and FPCertificate mean? "Some would have the Cons Repeal Ch. 39 which would kill this useful measure used by experienced gun owners [except in Ontario; our CFO marches to his own drumbeat] to obtain a PAL." "You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered." Lyndon B. Johnson Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox [AsstMod: Roger....CFSC and FPC mean Canadian Firearms Safety Course and FPC means Firearms Possession Certificate.] RAM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:18:43 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Random Stops and Searchs =============================================== This doesn't seem to be any problem for the OPP. They stopped me at a Check Stop that I believe is legal to check for Drunken Drivers, but Mission Creep now consists of them asking all kinds of questions, and checking the contents of your car through the windows and/or the box of your truck. This happened to me! I got the distinct impression taht if I refused any thing they asked for, they could and probably would make life extremely unhappy for me. And yes, this is NOT RIGHT! Citizens shouldn't have to fear the Police more than they do Criminals, but it now a fact of life. =============================================== >One evening I was followed out of town of Stonewall by the RCMP. It was >more than obvious that they were interested in me for some unknown >reason. As I signaled to turned down the road where I live a lone RCMP >officer pulled me over. As the officer approached my vehicle I asked >him if anything was wrong. The young French officer said in broken >English that he was just checking on my well being as he used his >flashlight to probe the interior of my vehicle. ================================================ I have been told by RCMP officers that they need a reason to stop and interview a citizen if there is no evidence of a violation. Stopping individuals at random for no sufficient reason is a no-no according to them. ==================================================================== Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, April 13, 2010 1:14 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: The Economist: Europe's ban on imported seal fur is under fire THE ECONOMIST - APRIL 13, 2010 Not so thrilled by the hunt Europe’s ban on imported seal fur is under fire http://www.economist.com/world/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15900213 IN NUNAVUT, the largest, coldest and most sparsely populated of Canada’s federal territories, spring means there are seals to eat. For those Nunavummiuts who have tired of traditional seal recipes, this marks an excellent opportunity to try some of the recipes recently compiled by Ake Granström of the Swedish Association for Hunting and Wildlife Management: herb-stuffed seal schnitzel, perhaps, or seal Wellington with Madeira sauce. But enterprising Arctic gourmands should only try the second of those if they already have some Madeira to hand, as it may be hard to buy. In early March, Nunavut’s legislators voted to remove EU-made beer, wine and spirits from government-run liquor stores. Last July the European Parliament voted to ban the importation of seal products. The EU reckons the hunt is cruel; the locals in Nunavut, and hunters elsewhere in Canada, disagree, and have some evidence to back this up. They also point out that the EU is somewhat two-faced in its attitudes to seals, as fishermen in Britain, Sweden, and Finland are free to kill seals as a way of protecting fish stocks. A few years ago the EU was actually encouraging people to make better use of the seals killed this way through a programme called Seal: Our Common Resource, which cost Europeans £262,000 between 2000 and 2007. Some of that money paid for Mr Granström’s cookbook. Canada and Norway believe that the European ban breaks international trade rules, and have both lodged complaints with the World Trade Organisation. The WTO process involves an initial consultation phase between the countries involved, which is supposed to last 60 days. Given that the complaint was lodged in November, an announcement is now overdue. Either the countries agree on a solution through such consultation, or Canada and Norway must bring the issue to the WTO and ask it to establish a panel to make a ruling. The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, around which the WTO is built, provides various exemptions under which countries may restrain trade. Article XX would allow imports of seal products to be banned if the trade were damaging the seal population. But this isn’t the case. The seal population in Canada is healthy – enough so that the Canadians are increasing the numbers they cull. The EU might try to argue that the ban is necessary to "protect public morals", which is possible under article XX. This is the exemption that allows countries to tax alcohol differently according to its alcohol content, or even ban the importation of alcohol entirely into a dry country. But this exemption doesn’t seem to fit that well either and because it is rife with the danger of protectionist abuse, attempts to invoke it get scrutinised carefully. Ultimately a key issue is whether or not the hunt is, in fact, cruel. The Canadians insist that although it looks horrible it is a well-regulated wild-animal hunt, and the strength with which they hold this belief may influence the chain of events at the WTO. Confidence that the seal hunt can be shown to be reasonably humane might lead Canada to push for a definitive ruling to that effect from a WTO panel, rather than settle for a diplomatic fudge achieved through consultation. The Canadian government clearly takes the issue seriously. It might even become a stumbling block in negotiations toward a free-trade agreement between Canada and the EU. The International Fund for Animal Welfare, a conservation charity, has criticised Canada’s zeal, complaining that the government it is spending more money defending the seal hunters than the industry actually earns. The Canadian government, for its part, feels duty bound to protect the interests of a number of its poorer citizens against lobbying from special interest groups a long way away. The evidence that the EU takes the issue seriously is harder to find. The ban appears to be a cheap way to be seen to be doing something to protect animals, thus appeasing the animal welfare lobby, by attacking a group of people who cannot fight back. Anti-sealing activists view the trade ban as a monumental victory for animal rights, having had the Canadian hunters in their sights for years. Relatively few Europeans agree with animal-rights activists that any killing of animals is bad. But most people do not eat or wear seals, are squeamish about killing cuddly doe-eyed mammals, and do not worry about the inconsistency of such a ban being enforced by a group of nations which kills it own seals for the expediency of fishermen, and kills tens of millions of farmed foxes and minks for their pelts every year. - --------------------------------- April 13, 2010 Seal Hunt 2010: Closing Time A "Live from the Ice" dispatch from Rebecca Aldworth, director of Humane Society International/Canada http://humanesociety.org/news/dispatch/2010/04/lfti_closing_time.html - --------------------------------------- DFO: "CATCH IS APPROACHING 38,000 SEALS" The seal fishery continues. DFO Regional Resource Management Officer, Larry Yetman, says the weather over the weekend did have an effect on the number of boats in the water but so far results are good. He says up to and including April 12th. the catch is approaching 38,000 seals. Yetman says that's for 30 to 40 boats over 5 days. He says the windy weather did impact the catches but yesterday was much better. http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&id=5689&latest=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:17:14 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca (Majordomo) Subject: [none] Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:32:04 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Searchs To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca "It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - From The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320. > ----- Original Message ----------------------- > From: > To: "CFD " > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:05 PM > Subject: Searches > > > > Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20100413102735.00defd80@pop.telus.net> > > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:27:35 -0600 > > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > > From: 10x@telus.net > > Subject: Re: Registry checks > > > >>One evening I was followed out of town of Stonewall > by the RCMP. It was > >>more than obvious that they were interested in me > for some unknown > >>reason. As I signaled to turned down the road where > I live a lone RCMP > >>officer pulled me over. As the officer > approached my vehicle I asked > >>him if anything was wrong. The young French officer > said in broken > >>English that he was just checking on my well being > as he used his > >>flashlight to probe the interior of my vehicle. > > > > I have been told by RCMP officers that they need a > reason to stop and > > interview a citizen if there is no evidence of a > violation. > > Stopping individuals at random for no sufficient > reason is a no-no > > according to them. > - --- On Tue, 4/13/10, mred wrote: > From: mred > Subject: Re: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required:] > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Received: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 1:40 PM > Its called "fishing " > ed/on It's called "plain view"...if they can see into your car, they have every right to *look*, but not *search*. Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:47:53 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Russia engineered air crash, claims Polish MP http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265482/Leck-Kaczynski-Russia-engineered-plane-crash-claims-Polish-MP.html 'Russia engineered air crash that killed President Kaczynski,' claims Polish MP By Mail Foreign Service 13th April 2010 The Russian government prevented the Polish president's plane from landing four times to divert him from a ceremony to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, according to an MP. Artur Gorski said the Russians 'came up with some dubious reasons' that the aircraft couldn't land because they feared President Leck Kaczynski's presence would overshadow a similar event hosted by the Russian prime minister a few days before. And their alleged plan ended in disaster when the Polish pilots made one final and disastrous attempt to land, killing Mr Kaczynski, his wife, and 94 others on board the plane. 'One version of events says that the plane approached the airport four times, because every time the Russians refused it permission to land - they wanted to send the plane with the president to an airport in Moscow or Minsk,' Mr Gorski claimed in an interview published in the newspaper Nasz Dziennik. 'They came up with some dubious reasons: that there was fog over the airport, and that the navigation system didn't work as it was under renovation, and that airport had a short landing strip.' The claims were made as shocking new details emerged of the final minutes of the flight before it crashed into a Russian forest on Saturday morning. One of the Russian air traffic controllers involved in the tragedy said he believes the Polish air force pilot Arkadiusz Protasiuk, 36, was under severe pressure 'to land at any cost' so that the president would not miss the commemoration of the death of 22,000 Poles slaughtered by Stalin. But he claims there were also serious language problems between the control tower at the military airport near Smolensk and the crew as the aircraft began its descent, and final approach, 'without our permission'. The crew failed to report to the ground their altitude readings, said Colonel Anatoly Muraviev, a former pilot. He believes the captain 'was desperate to land because of the high ranking passengers he was carrying. It killed both the crew and the passengers.' It was known that Mr Kaczynski once fired a flight crew when they refused to land at Tbilisi - and flew to another airport, he said. 'Now try to imagine yourself in chief pilot's shoes. Fear, false shame, thinking that going to another airport is a disgrace - all this led to the fact that the crew died and killed all the others. I am a former pilot myself, I understand all this very well.' The tapes of the conversations with the flight crew have not been released - - so it is unclear if there is specific evidence of an order to the captain from either the president or the military top brass on board. Polish investigators said they will probe whether there were 'any suggestions made to the pilots' from other people aboard the plane. Colonel Muraviev claimed there were a number of specific causes of the crash - 'weather conditions, maybe a mistake of the pilot who did not watch his altitude, and also the pilot's wish to land at any cost'. He said the controllers and flight crew stumbled in Russian and broken English to understand each other in the final decisive seconds of the flight. Col Muraviev claimed that the fog 'was worsening' as the Polish president's plane came into land. One flight had landed earlier but another had been redirected to Moscow. Of Kaczynski's flight, he said: 'At first it was descending OK, according to the rules, no problems. Soon our air traffic controllers began to worry. The head of our group three times ordered the pilots to stop this attempt to land, and try one more time, while also preparing to fly to another airport because of bad visibility. 'The crew did not listen to him. So the traffic control warned them about bad visibility and the necessity to fly to another airport. 'The crew did not obey, so the controllers had only one thing to do - to carry on leading in the plane and see what happens. There was only one attempt to land and the plane crashed.' Because it was a civilian flight, they did not have the authority to order them to another airport, he said. He said 'mainly we spoke Russian to the crew, partly bad English. Understanding was hard.' The Polish pilots 'began to land without our permission' and 'did not report to us with their altitude data', he added. Another controller Pavel Plyusnin confirmed the understanding was '50-50' as the plane approached its tragic end. 'It was hard to guess here if the pilot understood us properly,' said Col Muraviev. 'The language barrier did not help of course. I think it could have affected the result of this flight along with other circumstances.' The Polish air force yesterday defended father-of-two Captain Protasiuk, saying he 'often flew with the president and other VIPs'. A spokesman said it was 'ruled out' that the president could have forced the pilot to land at Smolensk. The body of Poland's first lady Maria Kaczynska was identified yesterday by her wedding ring - with her husband's name inscribed on the inside - and the colour of her finger nails. Many of the bodies are so badly mangled they will require DNA matching. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #805 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)