Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, May 3 2010 Volume 13 : Number 847 In this issue: British sniper shoots dead two Taliban fighters... from more .... "Sask. Party selling of Wildlife Habitat" Re: CFD V13 #845 "A simple statement" Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #845 Re:"Copwatch sets up in Saskatoon" Re: British sniper shoots dead two Taliban fighters-from more... My letter to Paul Gross Re: Van Loan's registry use stat's "British sniper sets new sharpshooting record..." What happened to the Canadian 'Armed' Forces? Re: What happened to the Canadian 'Armed' Forces? Re: What happened to the Canadian 'Armed' Forces? JOKE - The Haircut Lack of licence a common problem Released from Prison! Cranking up culture war ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, May 2, 2010 12:08 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: British sniper shoots dead two Taliban fighters... from more .... THE DAILY MAIL - MAY 2, 2010 British sniper shoots dead two Taliban fighters... from more than 1.5 miles away The L115A3 sniper rifle has been a great success for British forces http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270414/British-sniper-sets-new-sharpshooting-record-1-54-mile-double-Taliban-kill.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:16:59 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Sask. Party selling of Wildlife Habitat" Re: CFD V13 #845 The Sask. Wildlife Federation, is it a toothless paper tiger? Or will it take on this 'trial balloon' and save the Wildlife Habitat Protection Act. Having a gov't. sell off lands that were purchased by monies or donated outright for protection under the act is a repudiation of the principle of wildlife habitat protection. There is a provincial election in the not too distant future. The Sask. Party would not likely wish this to be an issue at that time. The opposition NDP, weakest in rural areas due to it's abandoning them for political correctness, could only benefit from taking up the issue. On 1-May-10, at 8:12 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/letters/Seeking+right+balance/2974709/story.html > > Seeking right balance > > By Nancy Heppner, The StarPhoenix > > May 1, 2010 > > Re: Short-sighted of gov't to sell protected land (SP, April 29). The > amendments I have proposed to Saskatchewan's Wildlife Habitat > Protection Act come at the request of farmers and ranchers who have > managed these lands for, in most cases, generations. > > It's the government's belief that these producers are outstanding > stewards of the land and are in the best position to ensure the future > protection of these lands. > > Early stage science-based assessments by professionals within the > Environment Ministry show that the majority of WHPA land will > continue to be protected -- either through the act or under private > ownership with a Crown conservation easement that will stipulate which > activities are permissible on a specific parcel of land in perpetuity. > > More than 82,000 hectares of land in the province are now managed > through conservation easements. These have been used extensively by > conservation organizations for this purpose and easements are held by > agencies such as the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation, Ducks Unlimited > Canada and the Nature Conservancy of Canada. > > Proposed amendments to the Conservation Easement Act create this new > Crown conservation easement that allows for stop-work orders, > seizure of equipment and court-ordered injunctions. Maximum penalties > for violations will be increased to $100,000 from $2,000 for individuals > and to $500,000 from $5,000 for corporations. > > The goal is to find the most appropriate balance for protecting > conservation and ecological values while enabling private land > ownership for farmers and ranchers who have proven to be the best > stewards of the land. We are committed to continuing to work > co-operatively with conservation agencies to protect native habitats > in Saskatchewan. > > Nancy Heppner > > Minister of the Environment > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:40:57 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "A simple statement" Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #845 Rob; This submission is should be submitted to various newspapers throughout the country, including the National Post and Maclean's. On 1-May-10, at 8:12 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:56:52 -0400 (EDT) > From: Rob Sciuk > Subject: A simple statement ... > > For those who have not seen my submission to the Public Safety > committee regarding the repeal of the registry, there is now a link on > the web site: > > http://www.PowerfulGunLobby.com > > Sorry, it is a .pdf file, and so could not have been submitted to the > digest directly. > > Cheers, > Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:30:48 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re:"Copwatch sets up in Saskatoon" To place this in perspective, Saskatoon is over run with violent crime, the majority of it committed by aboriginal repeat offenders. Many, but not all of whom, are members of aboriginal street gangs. All Saskatchewan street gangs are aboriginal in nature, currently. Historically, the Saskatoon city police have not been anti-gun, and currently would be among the least anti-gun of police forces. They do operate at a higher standard then those horrendous incidents involving the RCMP. The the current police chief is anti-gun and a proponent of the firearms registery. He is somewhat less politically correct than his predecessor and reputed to be a better administrator. Also, recently a Saskatoon home was raided by the police on a warrant based on allegations of trafficking in illegal firearms. No firearms were found, and grasping at straws, the police have charged the woman, an aboriginal thus with a Constitutional Right to the means to hunt, with 'unsafe' storage of five loose .22 rimfire cartridges. The raid itself, may have been reasonable and based on justifiable criteria, but resorting to a 'victimless' crime anti-gun law charge have reduced their raid's credibility. If it wasn't for the Mulroney/Chretien gun laws the status and public support for the city police would be at it's traditional very high level. Ironically, the same 'lefty' politically correct anti-gun types are also largely the anti-police lobby. One that labels the violent criminal as a 'victim' of historical and current racial discrimination. On 1-May-10, at 8:12 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Copwatch sets up in Saskatoon > > http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Group+keep+police/2974685/story.html > > Group to keep eye on police > > Copwatch sets up in Saskatoon > By Jeremy Warren, The StarPhoenix > May 1, 2010 > > A group of Saskatoon citizens has established a local chapter of > Copwatch, a grassroots organization that aims to police the police. > > "Police are enforcing the law and should not be above it," said Jude > Ashburn, an organizer with Saskatoon Copwatch. "I want people to know > that they can make their communities safe on their own." > > On foot or bike, Copwatch volunteers patrol streets where interaction > between police and citizens is highest. The group documents -- > often with video or audio recordings -- the interaction to ensure police > officers aren't treading on the rights of citizens. > > Copwatch started with a group of citizens in Berkeley, Calif., before > chapters sprang up in American and Canadian cities. Winnipeg, > Toronto and Montreal have active Copwatch chapters. > > Some chapters have posted videos of police brutality, sometimes > leading to investigations. Critics argue the group has, in some cases, > selectively edited video to exaggerate misconduct. > > The goal of any Copwatch chapter is to reduce police brutality and > racial profiling, said Ashburn. > > Education about the rights of law enforcement and the rights of > citizens will be a part of Copwatch's work in Saskatoon. > > "It's like a neighbourhood watch," said Ashburn in an interview Friday. > > "It's not about being anti-police, but people are reluctant to report > police abuse. We'll be there to document incidents. It's a way to keep > police accountable." > > Saskatoon Copwatch volunteers plan to patrol core neighbourhoods > and bar strips such as the Broadway area, said Ashburn. > > Saskatoon police welcome the addition of more people on the streets > watching officers, said Insp. Dave Hayes, who heads the city police > professional standards division. > > "Any citizen in the city is more than welcome to record police > officers while they're doing their jobs," said Hayes. > > "We shouldn't shy away from accountability. We believe our officers > are going good work. . . . Unfortunately, sometimes conflicts end up in a > physical arrest. Introduce emotions to the mix and I guess it comes > down to the perception of what the officer has done." > > Officers already face a high standard of accountability through bodies > such as Saskatchewan's Public Complaints Commission, said Hayes. > > In 2009, the Saskatoon Police Service received 77 formal complaints > that went to the commission. > > Saskatoon police have also been testing the use of cameras mounted in > police cruisers and microphones attached to officers, he added. > > "What (Copwatch) is doing is an extension of what we're already doing," > said Hayes. "I would hope that a group like this, if they see something > they believe is misconduct, would access the systems already in place > for them, like the public complaints commission." > > Anonymous postings on the Internet do not help police misconduct > investigations, he added. > > If Copwatch volunteers do record police misconduct, the group intends > to use every legal means it can to hold officers accountable, said > Ashburn. > > "Some people need their anonymity, but we are 100 per cent visible," > she said. "We want the cops to know we're here. The police should be > thrilled we're here." > > Hayes isn't worried about Copwatch volunteers hovering around arrests, > as long as they're not getting in the way of an officer's job. But by > watching or recording an arrest, Copwatch volunteers could turn > themselves into witnesses and police might request a copy of the video, > said Hayes. > > Saskatoon Copwatch is planning a meeting Thursday for interested > citizens. > > The group will also hold workshops about citizen's rights, said Ashburn. > More information is available at Saskatoon Cop Watch on Facebook. > > jjwarren@sp.canwest.com > > jwarren 4/30/10 > Copwatch is one word (as it is for every chapter in N.A.), except for > the Facebook group, which spelt the name wrong but can't change it back. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: British sniper shoots dead two Taliban fighters-from more... Hi Could you please address your email to cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca instead of leaving "To:" blank. Leaving it blank either spams my inbox or sends all your emails to trash marked as a spam. If the email is properly addressed, it goes to a proper folder. If this is the forum "feature," then I'd like to be removed... all these emails to "undisclosed recipients" creates a real mess to my email, but majority of them is trashed as spam. Thank you, Vlad - --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Dennis & Hazel Young wrote: From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: British sniper shoots dead two Taliban fighters... from more .... To: Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 1:22 PM THE DAILY MAIL - MAY 2, 2010 British sniper shoots dead two Taliban fighters... from more than 1.5 miles away The L115A3 sniper rifle has been a great success for British forces http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270414/British-sniper-sets-new-sharpshooting-record-1-54-mile-double-Taliban-kill.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:57:23 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: My letter to Paul Gross To: info@whizbangfilms.com Paul Gross 'Whizbang' Films Inc. 24 Ryerson Avenue, 4th Floor Toronto, Ontario, M5T 2P3 Sir I have recently heard and saw you interviewed on the media regarding your latest film role in "Gunless". As you know, Canadian gun owners have been under attack for some time now, firearms ownership being criminalized as never before. Your comment that wearing a .45 Colt for a month changed your perspective on our gun laws was much appreciated by the responsible firearms community. In the current issue of 'Canadian Cowboy' magazine, the recounting of your 'police incident' (i.e. twirling your movie prop gun .45) struck a chord. Recently, the 90 lb., mentally challenged son of friends was brutally taken down at gun point by three members of the RCMP. Why? Because he was reported as a "man-with-a-gun" near a highschool. In fact, he had been playing with a plastic 'space gun' given him as a birthday present outside his home. When he was taken down and cuffed, he was on his way to the store to buy milk, his 'space gun' left at home. Our community is divided in their opinions of RCMP policy in responding to such calls. Your incident was more professionally handled, showing discretion and common sense on the part of the attending officer. Wishing you continued success in your film career, Todd Birch Quesnel, BC PS: An autographed copy of you and your .45 will be forwarded to my friend's son. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 00:35:07 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Van Loan's registry use stat's Thanks y'all for the leads; George, Howard, and special tip-of-the-hat to Dan, Dennis and Bruce for the REAL stuff, citations... Ya wanna pray for precip cause if I've gotta give up time at the shooting range or golf course . . . . my fees double.. Now if I can find that paper on the gun tracking available via Interpol that describes the International gun manufacturers firearm tracking system that would help our Challenged CPC gov't sell the closing of the long gun registry shut-down. Sorry Mr. Poeleaseperson , , , it's no good for doing a CFRO check enroute to a hot (live gun) call. But that's apparently not policy or common practice as was evident in the recent Fred Preston domestic incident, the out in the open - in the light of day shooting of OPP Const Vu Pham. Use of the gun registry and other CPIC information seemed to be neglected in the James Roszko shooting of four mounties in the Mayerthorpe incident. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 01:17:39 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "British sniper sets new sharpshooting record..." This Brit has surely earned an invite out to Saskatchewan to go on a gopher 'safari'. :) Mind you there are some gang bangers out here that are more annoying than the gophers. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270414/British-sniper-sets-new-sharpshooting-record-1-54-mile-double-Taliban-kill.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 01:58:45 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: What happened to the Canadian 'Armed' Forces? A soldier pointed out to me recently that Canada no longer has Canadian Armed Forces as the 'Armed' has been dropped. When did this happen? Has anyone asked the Prime Minister about this? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 03:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Re: What happened to the Canadian 'Armed' Forces? - --- On Mon, 5/3/10, Larry James Fillo wrote: > From: Larry James Fillo > Subject: What happened to the Canadian 'Armed' Forces? > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 3:58 AM > A soldier pointed out to me recently > that Canada no longer has > Canadian Armed Forces as the 'Armed' has been > dropped. When did this > happen? Has anyone asked the Prime Minister about this? This rumour has been going around since the early seventies, and is false. The full title is still Canadian Armed Forces. The abbreviation is CF, as it originally was, as CAF could be confused with Canadian Air Force. Canadian Forces has also always been used in other titles, such as Canadian Forces Base, in order to keep them a little shorter and easier to speak. Any change would require an amendment to the National Defence Act. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 03:11:58 -0700 From: Albert4 Subject: Re: What happened to the Canadian 'Armed' Forces? Larry James Fillo wrote: > A soldier pointed out to me recently that Canada no longer has > Canadian Armed Forces as the 'Armed' has been dropped. When did this > happen? Has anyone asked the Prime Minister about this? > Way way back when unification happened. I remember reading discussions in 'Sentinel' magazine in the early - mid '70s. The official explanation at the time was the Canadian Armed Forces would be abbreviated CAF and it would just be a matter of time until someone appended 'Royal' in front of the CAF and them we'd be talking about the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) so the decision was made to officially refer to the new entity created by the service unification as the 'Canadian Forces' or the 'CF'. So if you want to talk to a Prime Minister about this... you're about 50 years too late. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: JOKE - The Haircut The Haircut One day a florist went to a barber for a haircut. After the cut, he asked about his bill, and the barber replied, 'I cannot accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week.' The florist was pleased and left the shop. When the barber went to open his shop the next morning, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door. Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he tries to pay his bill, the barber again replied, 'I cannot accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week.' The cop was happy and left the shop. The next morning when the barber went to open up, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door. Then a Member of Parliament came in for a haircut, and when he went to pay his bill, the barber again replied, 'I can not accept money from you; I'm doing community service this week.' The Member of Parliament was very happy and left the shop. The next morning, when the barber went to open up, there were a dozen Members of Parliament lined up waiting for a free haircut. And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between the citizens of our country and the politicians who run it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:53:25 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Lack of licence a common problem [About as effective as firearm prohibitions] Man alleged to have posed as doctor for eight years By John Miner > http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/05/03/13803841.html London police have charged a 57-year-old man for posing as a doctor and running a clinic in the city for the past eight years. Police said David Alan Kent operated The Mind Body Partnership from his home on Prince of Wales Gate. He is alleged to have identified himself as a doctor. Working with the college of Psychologists of Ontario and the University of Southern California, London police launched their investigation after receiving a complaint from the public. Police said they have been able to confirm Kent never received training and wasn’t licensed as either a psychologist or psychiatrist. Patient records were seized by police under a search warrant executed at the Prince of Wales Gate address on April 22. Police said the records are being held at the London Police Service headquarters pending the completion of the investigation. Kent is charged with fraud over $5000 and an offence under the Regulated Health Professionals Act. He is the second man charged with fraud this year for posing as a health professional. Humberto Solano Rosania, 46, was charged in March with unlawfully causing bodily harm and fraud under $5,000 for allegedly performing dental surgery as an unlicensed dentist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:25:01 -0600 From: "Bruce Montague" Subject: Released from Prison! It just came to my attention that this e-mail I sent out didn't make it for some reason. Here it is again. Yours in Liberty, Bruce. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Montague" To: "Firearms Digest" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Released from Prison! > Dear Supporters: > > I've been released from prison on bail pending our getting leave to > appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. I've been home now for 1 1/2 > weeks (since April 13), and enjoying a taste of freedom again. Although > prison life was not very enjoyable for me I did appreciate the many > letters I received from supporters all across the country. They really > helped to brighten my day! > > I apologize for not writing sooner. Every day since my release I've been > wanting to write you but I kept getting caught up in urgent work with our > appeal documents. Our case management team together with our lawyer Doug > Christie have been working very long hours in order to get our paperwork > submitted before the deadline on Monday April 26. I've been working > anywhere from 14 to 17 hour days ever since my release. I'm happy to say > that we finished our paperwork and submitted everything to our agent in > Ottawa yesterday (April 23). > > We were all very disappointed with the Ontario Court of Appeal ruling on > Feb. 25th. This ruling is posted on our website. If you read it you will > probably notice that the judges didn't really give a lot of justification > in their ruling against us. I was quite disappointed in their lack of > reasoning in this very short and quick judgement. We have used this as a > learning tool and have put a lot of work in the Supreme Court application > to make it much more appealing to the judges for consideration (we hope). > > The Supreme Court is the last step in our fight for firearm ownership > rights. If we are granted a hearing in the Supreme Court any parties > interested in helping to defend these rights should seek to get > intervenor status so that you can also put forth arguments that defend < your members interests. Once we have confirmation that our application > to the Supreme Court has been accepted we will post our arguments on our > website for you to take a look at. > > Anybody interested in becoming an intervenor should contact me by e-mail > bmontague@drytel.net) or phone (807-937-2197). We have a lot of > information on different aspects of our firearms rights that we didn't > use because of limits the courts put on us. I'll be glad to share > anything we have that could assist your lawyer in preparing your > arguments. > > Thanks again for all your support, especially your letters of > encouragement while I was in prison. You have no idea how much that > helped me! > > > Yours in Liberty, Bruce. > > "The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own > good in our own way, > so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their > efforts to obtain it." - John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty" 1859 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:45:21 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Cranking up culture war Cranking up culture war "It was EKOS pollster Frank Graves who ignited this skirmish ... urging Liberals to launch a "culture war" against their rivals: 'Cosmopolitanism versus parochialism, secularism versus moralism, Obama versus Palin, tolerance versus racism and homophobia, democracy versus autocracy. If the cranky old men in Alberta don't like it, too bad. Go south and vote for Palin.'" BY SUSAN RILEY CANWEST NEWS SERVICE 03 MAY 2010 http://www.thestarphoenix.com/business/Cranking+culture/2979495/story.html Of course there is a culture war raging in federal politics. It's been going on since Preston Manning blew into Ottawa many years ago. The battle lines are clear. Elitist, cosmopolitan (code for gay, or gay-friendly), urban CBC-lovers -- including "left-wing fringe groups," anti-Israel aid agencies and pro-gay judges -- on one side. Frugal, small-town and suburban Canadians who work hard, pay their taxes, and play by the rules, on the other. And now, with Prime Minister Stephen Harper's ill-considered G8 maternal health initiative, the deepest wedge of all: abortion rights. So it is surprising that some prominent Conservatives, including the prime minister, are just now noticing this divisive trend. Less surprisingly, they are blaming it on the Liberals. So scandalized are Conservatives, in fact, that they suddenly see wedge politics everywhere. The gun registry, abortion, bilingualism on the Supreme Court -- all, apparently, are being exploited by Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff solely to solidify his base and demonize his rivals. As former Harper communications aide Kory Teneycke told the CBC's Power and Politics last week, Ignatieff's sudden decisiveness on these touchy topics is evidence of Liberal desperation, a "save the furniture strategy" and reflects a "downtown Toronto perspective." It was EKOS pollster Frank Graves who ignited this skirmish with blunt remarks to columnist Lawrence Martin, urging Liberals to launch a "culture war" against their rivals: "Cosmopolitanism versus parochialism, secularism versus moralism, Obama versus Palin, tolerance versus racism and homophobia, democracy versus autocracy. If the cranky old men in Alberta don't like it, too bad. Go south and vote for Palin." Except for his incendiary and unfair shot at Alberta, Graves' menu doesn't sound bad. A government that respects expertise rather than sneering at anyone with an advanced degree, trusts voters rather than treating them like idiots, and doesn't wander the globe piously telling other countries how to behave -- if nothing else, it would be a refreshing change. But Graves, who polls for the CBC and is a frequent commentator, was immediately labelled a Liberal shill and the public broadcaster was excoriated by Senator Doug Finley in a letter to Conservative supporters. As Finley's measured appeal concludes: "Unlike Liberals, we can't count on vested interests. We rely on donations from proud, patriotic Canadians like you." Culture war? What culture war? Finley, of course, has always been a rigid partisan and Harper's government has never shown much delicacy when it comes to labelling its rivals anti-Semitic, anti-American, unpatriotic, soft on crime, or suggesting they are "in bed with the separatists." As for Conservatives being victims of CBC bias, Teneycke has a paying gig defending the Harper world view -- a task he carries out with aplomb. Another former Harperite, Tom Flanagan, is also a frequent CBC guest (although he has a welcome independent streak.) Nor was Alberta conservative Ezra Levant silenced, or even chastised, when he, too, appeared on CBC and repeated his insulting claim that Liberal MP Irwin Cotler is a "porch Jew" and called Graves "a junk hack." That said, the Liberals are exploiting wedges for political gain -- only less adroitly than Conservatives. But they are also standing up (belatedly) for core values -- different ones, to be sure, from Harper's, but neither alien nor dangerous. In a heated televised debate over the government's decision not to include abortion funding in its G8 initiative, Teneycke dismissively asked "how many people are going to vote over how easy it is to get an abortion in Uganda?" In so doing, he displayed stunning unawareness of how deep this issue runs for many women in Canada. "Of course, women care deeply about women in Uganda, but we see the link, too. What goes on in foreign policy will come home to roost," says Katherine McDonald, director of Action Canada for Population and Development, which advocates for sexual and reproductive health. Today, women involved in international advocacy will be asking "Where is Canada's leadership in promoting gender equality?" at an event on Parliament Hill. The maternal health initiative, which was intended to display the Harper's caring side, but has backfired badly, will be under unfriendly scrutiny. So will what some see as a Tory stealth agenda, aimed at removing funding from agencies that don't promote social conservative values. If we're having a culture war, this could be a new front line. No wonder those peace-loving Conservatives are having a sudden attack of the vapours. (Ottawa Citizen) ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #847 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)