Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, May 19 2010 Volume 13 : Number 870 In this issue: Re: Liberal MP remains in caucus after charge - CBC News Outrageous deer densities "We're better than this"- Truth and myths website Police and stupid statements Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #869 - Cops: U.S. man mails weapons- Mexico: Town’s police force quits after ambush - AP/Toronto Sun "how Dorset shooting range became target of Indian ire"-BBC Sports World Cup organisers apologise to Indian shooters-The Times-India ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, May 18, 2010 2:28 pm From: "10x@telus.net"@bogend.ca Subject: Re: Liberal MP remains in caucus after charge - CBC News Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by one's peers. And given the benefit of doubt until convicted by one's peers. Too bad the liberals don't treat gun owners following the same concept. May 14, 2010 10:41:06 PM, cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca wrote: Liberal MP remains in caucus after charge http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/05/14/mtl-rodriguez-charges.html?ref=rss Image & Caption "Liberal MP Pablo Rodriguez says he was unable to perform a breathalyzer test to the satisfaction of a police officer who responded to his car accident." (Fred Chartrand/Canadian Press) Pablo Rodriguez faces charge of refusing breathalyzer test Last Updated: Friday, May 14, 2010 | 6:13 PM ET CBC News ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:37:10 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Outrageous deer densities And the banners want to outlaw guns and hunting? > http://deerimpacts.blogspot.com/search/label/outrageous%20deer%20densities > When it comes to controlling the damage caused by deer in suburban > areas, controlled hunts have proven to be one of the most effective > ways of restoring the ecological balance to the region's forests, > according to wildlife officials. - ---- > Park officials intend to reduce the herd by 86 percent - from an > estimated 1,277 deer to between 165 and 185 - during the next four > years. Federal employees or contractors are to fire silencer-equipped > rifles, mostly at night, at deer lured to areas baited with apples > and grain. - --- > Volunteer sharpshooters killed 313 deer in Shawnee Mission Park last > week, park officials reported Monday. - --- > The Morris park commission's 2008-09 deer hunt resulted in the > removal of 336 deer, up from 307 in 2007-08 - --- > The massive herd in the city has been estimated at more than 100 deer > per square mile, or more than 1,000 within city limits. The mayor > said it might take five years to get the numbers cut in half to about > 500. - --- > Since the culling began, 1,289 deer have been removed, which has > enabled the forest floor to begin to rejuvenate, Bernier said. > > "We're seeing plants return that we haven't seen in quite awhile--but > it's slow," he said. > > The hunt provides anywhere from 2,000 to 3,000 pounds of venison > annually for the needy, with the hunters allowed to keep 20 pounds > for themselves. > Without a deer hunt, even conservative projections indicate the > reservation would now be home to nearly 1,400 deer, Predl said. The > most recent count determined that there are now about 77 deer in the > reservation. - --- > The goal of House Bill 2342, he said, is to cull 400 deer from a herd > that wildlife officials say is at least eight times larger than the > park can support. Any animals not harvested in that time would be > killed by sharpshooters, Brown said. - --- > Nearly 900 deer are feeding in an ecosystem that can sustain about > 100, officials said. The growing herd is destroying the vegetation > and stripping the trees that surround the reservoir, which provides > drinking water to about 2 million residents. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:36:20 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "We're better than this"- He's what we used to call a man. It's been a while since we've seen anyone like this run for public office up here. If more of the public offices here were elected we'd have fewer of the politically correct metrosexual types messing things up. Rural folks don't usually put up with the B.S. urban people do. If they did we'd all starve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0&feature=player_embedded ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:14:25 -0400 From: Subject: Truth and myths website What a nice piece of propoganda put up paid for by the police and their shills. No where on that site can you "talkback" to the owners and let them know what a bunch of half truths, semi-truhs and outright misdiorection that there is on that site. Selective information mostly out of context makes great headlines and storys but fall apart when the informed person begins to read. What a waste of electrons and web space. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:08:53 -0400 From: "healinghands1" Subject: Police and stupid statements Officials said the weapons could have ended up in the wrong hands if the man's home was burglarized. This was the quote from a copper when they searched two containers from a California man who shipped weapons home to Ottawa. It amazes me how these morons get out of bed. If his house got burglarized these firearms could have ended up in the wrong hands. Logic would dictate that someone burglarizing a home is defacto the wrong hands. It seems the police trot out this old boogeyman where they want to tar and feather a firearms owner. Oh dear me his house could be burglarized. So could anyone's house even cops houses, their cars their unmarked cars that get hit and weapons stolen get into the wrong hands. I wish for once the Police would get it through their donut filled heads, this sort of sensational claptrap does not endear them to us it makes us want to get as far away from them as possible. The smell of stupidity is awful. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 23:57:58 -0300 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #869 - Cops: U.S. man mails weapons- Re: Cops: U.S. man mails weapons to new Ottawa home http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/05/17/13978806.html WTF is a "Foot Stomper"? A "Yuriken"? I have heard of Shuriken, but never yuriken. And "semi-automatic assault rifle" rears its ugly illiterate head yet again. And who mails furniture. Do we not ship or transport it? Translation: Some poor schmuck got bad advice when he decided to move to Canuckistan. Coincidentally, I spent an enjoyable hour on the phone yesterday with a fellow from New Hampshire (Live Free Or Die) who will be relocating, along with wife and three horses, to a farm not far from me. I advised him to get written detailed instructions with proper signatures from the folks in Miramichi regarding the legality and method of import, transport, and storage of each and every firearm he wants to bring in. I also asked him why in the world he'd want to move from the second free-est state in the world (first free-est being Vermont) where he was in the habit of strolling armed to come to an over regulated socialist place like Canuckistan, where he is expected to remain as helpless as possible at all times. He says his wife is from here and wants to come back to her roots. I advised him he may just want to put some of his nicer toys in long term storage in NH so he doesn't risk having them reclassified as prohibited and stolen by the state thugs at some future time. Anyway, I'm looking forward to meeting him and his wife and horses when they get settled. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Canada mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, May 18, 2010 10:27 pm From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Mexico: Town’s police force quits after ambush - AP/Toronto Sun Cc: "C.L.A.S.S." Town’s police force quits after ambush http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/05/18/13998871.html By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Last Updated: May 18, 2010 8:24pm MEXICO CITY — The bulk of a small Mexican town’s police force has quit after armed men ambushed and wounded two of their officers. The Guerrero state police said Tuesday it has deployed 20 officers who will patrol the town of La Union until further notice. The resignation of the six officers Monday evening came two days after their colleagues were ambushed. The move left the town’s police force with five members: the chief, the deputy chief, an officer in charge of weapons logistics and the two wounded officers who are hospitalized. Several Mexican towns have seen entire police forces quit in recent years, complaining they are outgunned by drug gangs. Meanwhile, people in some Mexican towns have begun taking the law into their own hands, handing out rough justice to crime suspects. Authorities in Mexico State, on the outskirts of Mexico City, reported Tuesday that residents of a town beat a man death on suspicion of robbing a young couple of 200 pesos (about $16) and a cell phone Monday. The suspect and an accomplice allegedly held up the couple with a knife and what later was found to be a toy gun. About 300 people pursued the two men, caught one and beat him so badly with sticks and fists that he died in an ambulance, officials said. Copyright © 2010 - -- -- Letters to the Editor torsun.editor@sunmedia.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:24 pm From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: "how Dorset shooting range became target of Indian ire"-BBC Sports Cc: "C.L.A.S.S." Blunder bus: how Dorset shooting range became target of Indian ire http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olliewilliams/2010/05/shotgun_diplomacy_dorset.shtml Post categories: Olympics, Shooting Ollie Williams | 09:46 UK time, Monday, 17 May 2010 Think of the quiet life and you may not pick the Shotgun World Cup as a likely setting. But you would at least expect a minority sport, in a corner of Dorset, to be free from international incident, wouldn't you? Not so. Over the weekend, the Southern Counties Shooting Ground became a diplomatic battleground - unfortunate for an event, one of 64 supported by UK Sport during the run-up to the 2012 Olympics, which was supposed to persuade the world's top shooters to train there ahead of the Games The row erupted when members of the Indian team complained of "harassment" from British bus drivers ferrying competitors to and from the venue. A lengthy political narrative ensued, involving India's sports minister, the Indian High Commission in London, and wildly differing versions of what some might call relatively trivial events. While this played out, British shooters like Richard Faulds and Peter Wilson desperately tried to concentrate on the task at hand: their double-trap final. The story has been prominently displayed on the front pages of Indian news websites, shocked at the perceived insult to their national team. Organisers of the event - the first of its kind to be held in the United Kingdom - can scarcely believe this has occurred, but now say they are learning important lessons ahead of London 2012. Explaining the entire debacle would take forever but, to simplify things, the Indian team came over with travellers' cheques to pay their fees for entry into the competition, which did not sit well with the organisers. A dispute over the payment of those fees arose, including the cash which paid for bus travel to and from the venue. Manavjit Singh Sandhu, an Indian Commonwealth gold medallist in trap shooting, takes up the story: "The trouble started when two of our girls were offloaded from the bus. Due to administrative problems they took the shooters off, which we thought was weird, because you should sort those out with administrators rather than pull people off buses. "Then I got onto the bus a day after and it was leaving but one of my team-mates was knocking on the door. I asked the bus driver to let him on but she refused, saying it was time to go. It was absurd, it would have only taken six or seven seconds. "She walked out of the bus in a huff and a transport manager came on who yelled and screamed at me, and tried to force me off the bus. I've never come across such rude behaviour. Normally organisers accommodate the sportsmen, they go out of their way to make sure you get what you need. "So the team management complained to the Indian High Commission and now the gentlemen concerned have tendered a written apology. That's fine by me, and I'm ready to get back to work." That apology came in the form of a carefully worded statement from the organisers, which apologised for "any misunderstandings which may have occurred on both sides". In other words, they feel the Indians should take some of the blame - for example, the BBC understands the bus driver alleges foul language was directed at her. This all ended in an incredibly awkward on-camera handshake between the Indian team and British organising chairman Peter Underhill, but not before the news was splashed across some Indian media, which had made a national hero of rifle shooter Abhinav Bindra when he won Olympic gold in Beijing two years ago - the first individual Olympic gold medal in Indian history and one which pushed shooting higher up India's national sporting agenda. The Times of India ran its tale of "shotgun harassment" as a top story, at one point the most-read on its site, while the Deccan Chronicle carried quotes complaining of the "humiliation" of the Indian team, and some other sites made even wilder accusations. Organisers, who would bite your arm off for a lone column inch in a British national newspaper, have been staggered to find rows of Indian reporters camped out on the grassy square outside the clubhouse, none more so than the quietly spoken Underhill. "There have been misunderstandings," he admitted, gingerly. "But we have had meetings and apologised if we have caused any offence through mishandling of the transport arrangements. We're working together to get things on an even keel - which they are. "There was a communication failure on the bus but I don't think it has overshadowed the event, although, obviously, we are disappointed the Indian team felt they had to play this one out in the media rather than following the usual channels. "I don't know how that happened - it's unfortunate - but this is one of the great advantages of holding an event like this, two years before London 2012. It's not just about the physical ability to hold the event, but we must all learn, from volunteers to the top of the organising committees, about cultural differences and handling people. "As much as anything else, it's a communication factor and we've all got to learn that. This has been a learning experience and it'll stand us in good stead on the road to 2012." In between reading the views of Indian sports minister MS Gill and watching Indian delegates signing joint statements, it was a relief to actually watch some double trap shotgun, yards away from the diplomatic fracas. Shotgun is one of three Olympic shooting disciplines (rifle and pistol being the other two) and the one at which Britain is strongest - Faulds, gold medallist at Sydney 2000, Steven Scott, Elena Allen and Charlotte Kerwood were four of GB's five-person shooting team in Beijing. The team had been set a target of two medals but came back empty-handed. Following similar disappointment in Athens, that saw funding slashed by 75% in 2009, with 46 funded competitors reduced to five and top coaches departing the team. However, the sport has been rebuilding in new, leaner times, and British 23-year-old Wilson has emerged as a rising star. Wilson, who grew up so close that he could hear this shooting ground from his back garden, reached his first World Cup final in style, but struggled to maintain his form and had to settle for fifth place in the six-man finale. "My goal was to make the final. I was disappointed in the final but the competition was absolutely brilliant, I loved it," he said. "That was my new personal best across the board, and I don't think I pushed myself to the absolute limit. Towards the end of the year I think I can go one or two further. "Richard Faulds is an Olympic gold medallist and that's exactly what I want to be in future, so I don't know whether I can overhaul him, but I'll just take every day as it comes. Asked if the diplomatic circus taking place in his peripheral vision had registered, Wilson admitted he had "noticed it", but added: "If you get involved in things like that, you only make your own shooting worse, so it was best just to get my head down. "I don't know the ins and outs - it would be lovely if we had front page news back here, whether it was good or bad, but it's a shame that the Indians had trouble." Whether Wilson can now go on to outgun Faulds, who struggled in the intermittent rain and nagging wind, ahead of London 2012 remains to be seen, despite easily bettering him here. Faulds, 33, finished miles off a place in the final but - as this is just one of five World Cup stages held this year - insists he is biding his time for competitions which really count. "I'm disappointed not to have shot slightly better, but I haven't done a huge amount of training for this stage of the Olympic cycle. I'm focusing on later in the year, and next year, when Olympic qualifying places become available. [The qualification process for the 2012 London Olympics will not begin until the ISSF World Championships in Munich, starting 29 July.] "So many people are capable of winning these events and Peter Wilson is without doubt one of them. He's very committed, he loves his shooting and if he sticks at it then there's no reason why he won't be there alongside me at 2012. "But it's a very long road. You have to stick with it through the highs and the lows. You need to be long-sighted and look forward to your long-term goals." Wise advice not only for Wilson, but British organisers too. The weekend's controversy may be holding front pages in India, but those with responsibility for London 2012 need to act like top athletes: ignore the commotion, reflect on what happened, and keep improving. BBC © MMX - -- -- Related Websites ISSF Shotgun World Cup 2010 - Dorset May 11-20 http://www.shotgunworldcup2010.com/home Welcome Welcome to the official website of the ISSF Shotgun World Cup 2010. The event is being held from the 11th to the 20th May 2010 at the Southern Counties Shooting Ground in the heart of the county of Dorset. Please browse the website for further information and results. [URL Above] - -- -- Southern Counties Shooting Ground http://www.southerncountiesleisure.com/shooting/ The Shooting Ground at Southern Counties Southern Counties is situated in the heart of the county of Dorset, only 8 miles from the historic market town of Dorchester and 18 miles from the coastal resort of Weymouth, the home of the Olympic Sailing Event 2012. Southern Counties Shooting was founded in 1959 and is now the largest shooting ground in the country with over 450 fully automatic traps offering DTL, ABT, Universal Trench, Olympic Trap, Double Trap, both Olympic and English Skeet, English Sporting, Sportrap and FITASC. Southern Counties is a CPSA Premier Plus shooting ground. The trap, skeet and double trap layouts are all equipped with new Laporte machines and Italian Electronica Progetti Computers. Our sporting layout includes a grouse butt and our renowned 140 foot high tower. The ground has hosted numerous National and International Competitions and is pleased to have been awarded as the Official Training Ground for the 2012 London Olympics. Major shoots in 2009 include the Fitasc Universal Trap World Championships, the Dougall DTL weekend and both Olympic Trap and Fitasc Home Internationals. In 2010 in conjunction with British Shooting and West Dorset District Council, Southern Counties will be hosting the International Shooting Sport Federation (ISSF) World Cup which is an Olympic Qualifying event for London 2012. It is expected that 650 competitors from all over the World will take part in the three Olympic Shotgun Disciplines of Skeet, Trap and Double Trap. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:32 am From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: World Cup organisers apologise to Indian shooters-The Times-India Cc: "C.L.A.S.S." World Cup organisers apologise to Indian shooters http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Sports/More-Sports/Shooting/World-Cup-organisers-apologise-to-Indian-shooters/articleshow/5937456.cms Spots - Shooting - The Times of India PTI, May 16, 2010, 06.45pm IST *Video Media News Broadcast available on the "Times of India" Website at this URL or the link above. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/5937521.cms NEW DELHI/LONDON: Bowing to pressure, the organisers of the ISSF World Cup in Dorset (UK) on Sunday apologised to the Indian shooters who were harassed by their transport staff. "The organisers have apologised for the incident," National Rifles Association of India (NRAI) Secretary Rajiv Bhatia said. "A meeting was held between our representatives and the organisers where they apologised. I have spoken to our team manager T Padmanabhan, who was at the meeting. We have asked for a written apology from them and are currently waiting for the letter," Bhatia said. Padmanabhan on Saturday wrote to the Indian High Commission in London, complaining that the shooters were insulted by the transport staff of the event. The Indian High Commission soon got in touch with the organisers while back home, Sports Minister MS Gill convened a meeting of the Ministry officials, asking them to get in touch with NRAI and the Indian High Commission for details of the incident. The issue threatened to spill into diplomatic domain as Minister of State for External Affairs Preneet Kaur also took strong view of the incident, calling it "unfortunate". According to Padmanabhan's complaint, the incident took place on Friday when the Indian shooters were boarding the bus that took them from venue to their hotel. The bus driver slammed the door on some shooters and left them at the range. Some of the Indian shooters, who were on board, protested the incident and were insulted by the transport supervisor. Two days back, two Indian lady shooters had been asked to get down from a bus, Padmanabhan alleged. Initially, the organisers tried to shift the blame to the Indian shooters, alleging they had misbehaved with the transport staff. Event manager Tom Wehnham alleged the Indian marksmen had abused a lady driver. Commonwealth Games gold medallist marksman Manavjit Singh Sandhu, part of the Indian team in the event, dismissed the allegation and said the Indian shooters have never been accused of misbehaving ever. "Indian shooters are respected in the international circuit. Indians are among the prominent title contenders and their behaviour is always exemplary. This charge is really very disappointing," he said. "The organisers were trying to defend themselves by such baseless claims. But now they have withdrawn the accusation because they know that it is a very serious one and we don't do anything like that," Manavjit said. "There were shooters of other countries as well and they were the eyewitness to the whole incident. Even the driver has later said on record that she was not abused and we have that video," he added. - -- -- Q&A: Indian shooters 'harassed' in ISSF World Cup. The incident reeks of racism? [Chatroom] http://qna.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/?ref=permalinkquestion&question_id=382379 - -- -- Related Times of India News Coverage 'All Indians out of the bus' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/shooting/All-Indians-out-of-the-bus/articleshow/5942779.cms High Commission takes up harassment issue http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/shooting/High-Commission-takes-up-issue-of-shooters-harassment/articleshow/5936610.cms *Video Media News Broadcast available on the "Times of India" Website at this URL or the link to the article headline above. Shooters' harassment: UK jealous of Indians, says NRAI http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/5936711.cms Harassment will affect our show in WC: Manavjit http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/shooting/Harassment-will-affect-our-performance-in-World-Cup-Manavjit/articleshow/5937277.cms Indian shooters 'harassed' in ISSF World Cup http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/shooting/Indian-shooters-harassed-in-Dorset-ISSF-World-Cup/articleshow/5935559.cms *Video Media News Broadcast available on the "Times of India" Website at this URL or the link to the article headline above. Indian shooters harassed during World Cup in UK http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/5935635.cms Gill asks for details of shooters' harassment http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/shooting/Gill-asks-officials-to-get-details-of-shooters-harassment/articleshow/5936846.cms Copyright © 2010 Bennett, Coleman & Co. 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