Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, July 2 2010 Volume 13 : Number 940 In this issue: Re: Re: "two killed in Quebec after driver stops for ducks"-NP Re: Severe measures to curb violence only alternative Re: Firearm seizures, prohibition, etc. U.S. Six Months to Go Until The Largest Tax Hikes in History *NFR* Re: [AUS] Cops crack down on guns Re: Calgary man convicted after traffic stop finds gun Situational Awareness Re: Severe measures to curb violence only alternative "Major change in Montreal Mafia"-Montreal Gazette ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, July 2, 2010 3:02 am From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Re: Re: "two killed in Quebec after driver stops for ducks"-NP - ----- Original Message ----- From: bletchleypark Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010 10:08 pm Subject: Re: Re: "two killed in Quebec after driver stops for ducks"-NP > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David R.G. Jordan" > To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: Re: "two killed in Quebec after driver stops for > ducks"-NP > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bletchleypark > > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010 12:57 pm > > Subject: Re: "two killed in Quebec after driver stops for ducks"-NP > > Peter, respectfully; > > > > From what I understand from reading the article, 2 motorcycles > > ran into the back of a vehicle that was stopped in the middle of the > > highway, correct? > > Yes. Mother on one, father and daughter on the other. > > > These facts are not in any dispute, correct? > > The facts regarding this incident are still under investigation. Well Peter, then "we" really do not know what really happened then, do we? So there is no point in speculating on "a bunch of what if" theories. I simply put forward how these types of rear-end accidents are dealt with by the Highway Traffic Act out here in Saskatchewan. No place else. And it is very simple. "You rear-end somebody, it's your fault - period." You will be charged with; 1. Driving without care and attention. 2. Driving to fast for road/weather conditions. And as I have already said several times now; it does not matter what the vehicle does ahead of you, you hit it you get charged. It is incumbent in the law for you following behind another vehicle, to be able to stop your vehicle in a safe and orderly manner - No exceptions! What ever happened down the highway doesn't matter in a court of law and you must drive your vehicle accordingly. > I wouldn't be so hasty. > > What 'if' the driver of the car was travelling under the posted speed > limit ( as allowed by law) and the motorcyclists were travelling > reasonably above the posted speed limit, as do most motorists. > > The gap between both sets of vehicles would then be narrowing over > time whereby the motorcyclists could either take another lane or > slow down. > > However, on a left curving highway, the car may not be visible to > the motorcyclists until they were much closer. > > Added to that, the woman panic slams on her brakes to avoid hit a > bunch of ducks, probably leaving skid marks on the asphalt. At > highway speed there probably wouldn't be enough reflex time to > safely veer out of the way without losing control and skidding off > the road. > > Plus he was carrying his daughter on the back of his bike----this > changes the dynamics of the performance of the machine under duress. > > It's not known yet whether the bikes struck the rear of the car > vertically or horizontally which would indicate if the bikes were under > constant control when they collided or not. > > Technically, legally, the motorcyclists were at fault but after > completion of the investigation if it can be proved that the driver > acted without due caution and that her actions contributed to their > deaths then she must bear some legal and 'moral' responsibility. And Peter everything that you've said above "could be correct" and under Quebec law this woman who was in "care and control" of the vehicle that caused these unfortunate accidental injuries and death might be totally liable. I don't live in Quebec, nor am I familiar with any of Quebec's HTA Law. I based my entire argument on what would happen under the HTA out here in Saskatchewan. And I did not speculate anywhere in my arguments on "how" this woman's vehicle came to a stop. Respectfully, your argument above, while any part of it, or all in it's entirety could be completely correct, - it is all nothing more than hypotheses right at this point in time. And I based all of my arguments on the information that was in the media item that Larry posted this morning. There is no basis in fact that any of the above is what has actually happened to prove any of your hypotheses are currently correct with the information that I am currently aware of at this point in time, or when I wrote my post. And this is the entire problem with the rest of your argument as you have presented it. e.g.; > This is the crux of the matter. You knew that you couldn't stop > safely and didn't. > >She couldn't stop safely and did! Peter, again you are assigning blame on her without presenting anything to back it up in fact. You are assuming that this woman panic stopped whereas in the NP article about the incident, there is no mention on just how she stopped her vehicle, except for this; "The teenager's mother, riding on one motorcycle behind the car, and her husband and the couple's daughter on another motorcycle, "didn't have time to react" and veer away, he added." The article and the cop's quote are totally non-specific as to why "they couldn't veer away". There are hundreds of reasons why they probably couldn't, as you speculate. Curves, or possibly blocked vision from trees, buildings, or hills terrain, weather, riding their motorcycles inattentively, to her panic stopping, or you name it - what ever! His statement is ambiguous at best. As for the female driver of the vehicle, we know absolutely nothing about her. Age, profession, education, married, children, rich or poor, heritage, absolutely nothing. And we certainly don't get anything about her from the information provided in that article in the NP, in any way. Which is why I avoided any comment on your 'Disneyesque' mentality hypothesis, Peter. My main point that I was and still am trying to make - is about how a motor vehicle driver has a responsibility to keep back behind a vehicle at a safe stopping distance from any vehicle that they may be following, no matter what ever the road conditions, or weather or one's physical or mental state or condition. Anything can happen. And as simple as that is, it is true not only on the highways, but also on the shooting range. That's why the shooting range laws are the way that they are. And, at least out in Saskatchewan there are specific reasons why out HTA laws are the way that they are as well. Your hypothesis absolutely does have validity even in the not so urban areas of our societies these days. And in the right circumstance, it would be well worth exploring on this forum. My...our other problem is, that we just do not have enough valid information on this person to be able to make a proper judgement on anything yet. And to hypothesize anything in this mediocre media item that we are using right now, on what we do know at this point in time is not correct or proper. When more reliable information is released, [if it ever is.], then it might be proper to get into your 'Disneyesque' mentality hypothesis at that time about this issue, concerning this accident. Saying that, your 'Disneyesque' mentality hypothesis just might enough, so as it could stand as a discussion piece all on it's own legs with in our group? Now this is a topic that we can all get our teeth into, hopefully?! Correct?! I can remember very well how Dr. Mike, Todd Birch and a few others, of whose names avoid me at this time of night, but they did bring up the greying of our sport and just how the gov't and mainstream media both conspire to thin us out not only by bad press and ever increasing draconian enforcement on the law-abiding already, but through education and indoctrination of all of our young, not only in schools, but through organized youth social activities all up above the 49th, meanwhile Hollywood and such does it's part to say that hunting and all guns are very evil implanting that message in the very young preschoolers as well. In conclusion, at least as I see it, we were both trying to push our own agendas for discussion upon the other. Which in my opinion this just will not fly. We both have our arguments, but to try to apply them to a media item that is so weak on content and actual facts, I feel that this is not the proper time to be both wasting our time on, right now. You enjoy your new, up and coming day now Peter. And I do hope that all is well with you and yours! Good Night! Later- DRGJ "They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now! " - -Lt. General Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller Battle of Guadalcanal Island 07/08/42 - 09/02/43 (June 26, 1898 – October 11, 1971) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:43:57 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Severe measures to curb violence only alternative Don't you think its a coincidence? Seems to me that why would they even want to deck them selves out with the same foot ware? Doesn't sound reasonable or plausible to me. However we will ever disagree. ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Horstead" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: RE: Severe measures to curb violence only alternative >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca >> [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of mred >> Sent: 1-Jul-10 2:32 PM >> To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca >> Subject: Re: Severe measures to curb violence only alternative > >> For instance how many of the Black Brigade were police >> provocatuers ? as evidenced by the same boots that are >> regular police issue ? > > None. Zero. Zilch. > > Black boots can be purchased by anyone, anywhere. There are no > restrictions on civilian ownership, and no background checks are > required. > > This only constitutes "evidence" to the wilfully gullible. > > > Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 09:49:15 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Firearm seizures, prohibition, etc. This guy sounds like a nut-job according to his employers and police , But then again maybe it is just a good way for his employer to get rid of him without facing unjustified dismissal charges, As far as the police are concerned ? I wouldn't believe anything they said on a stack of Bibles . For the most part they are criminals under the guise of the government. (Not all .) Do not forget that many lawless and not so lawless people have been convicted on perjured police evidence. (Marshall, Milgaard, Guerin, Coffin, Truscott, Sophonow, Guy Paul Morin, Joe Warren; just to name a few.) Police even perjure themselves against their brothers in arms to further their careers. http://www.truthinjustice.org/cops.htm The war is conducted by those Canadians who have been wrongfully convicted because of improper investigations combined with zealous Crown Robert Baltovich Sebastian Burns Jason Dix Jim Driskell Jody Druken Randy Druken Michel Dumont Walter Gillespie and Robert Mailman Clayton Johnson Yvonne Johnson Herman Kaglik Kulaveeringsam "Kulam" Karthiresu Donald Marshall Chris McCullough Michael McTaggart Felix Michaud David Milgaard Guy Paul Morin Shannon Murrin Jamie Nelson Greg Parsons Benoit Proulx Atif Rafay Louise Reynolds Thomas Sophonow Gary Staples Steven Truscott Joe Warren Leon Walchuk NEW: Kirstin Lobato Jeffrey Scott Hornoff Willie Upshaw Hurricane Carter Guildford 4 Birmingham 6 Amirault Houston More U.S. wrongful convictions: Peter Rose Clifford St. Joseph John Stoll Ludrate Burton Albert Johnson Stephen Cowans Laurence Adams Peter Reilly Marty Tankleff > The war is conducted by those within the system who have a different > agenda from the stated claims of the system. For one reason or another, > police conduct improper investigations, prosecutors take tainted > evidence to court and judges fail to protect the rights of the accused. > The reasons do not really matter; the outcome is always malicious. Also many on here could be judged the same by our discourses on C-68 and the CPC.. Just like in the US ; if you are for justice , the Canadian Constitution, The Charter, peaceful demonstrators (remember the snipers at Ottawa at our rally ? ). we could be classed as "terrorists "? I would have to personally meet this guy to see what he actually is like. I would like to, give him the benefit of doubt. ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:18 PM Subject: Firearm seizures, prohibition, etc. CanLII-2008 ONCJ 234 (CanLII) > CCCs. 111 and s. 117.05, FA s. 74 at work. > > A tortuous case of denied FACs, illegal importation of firearms into > Canada, eventual ATC and employment as a security guard. Erratic > behaviour caused this deck of cards to crumble and avoided a calamity > waiting-to-happen. > > Did the 'system' work, albeit very slowly? > > R. v. Davidson, 2008 ONCJ 234 (CanLII) > Date: 2008-04-29 > >> http://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2008/2008oncj234/2008oncj234.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:42:45 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: U.S. Six Months to Go Until The Largest Tax Hikes in History *NFR* http://www.jpfo.org/articles-assd02/historic-tax-hikes.htm Six Months to Go Until The Largest Tax Hikes in History Archived from Americans for Tax Reform http://www.atr.org/six-months-untilbr-largest-tax-hikes-a5171 (PDF Version) http://www.jpfo.org/pdf03/atr-jan2011taxes.pdf From Ryan Ellis Thursday, July 1, 2010 4:15 PM In just six months, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect. They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves on January 1, 2011: First Wave: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families. These will all expire on January 1, 2011: Personal income tax rates will rise. The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below: - - The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15% - - The 25% bracket rises to 28% - - The 28% bracket rises to 31% - - The 33% bracket rises to 36% - - The 35% bracket rises to 39.6% Higher taxes on marriage and family. The "marriage penalty" (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income. The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child. The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level. The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut. The return of the Death Tax. This year, there is no death tax. For those dying on or after January 1 2011, there is a 55 percent top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes and a retirement account could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones. Higher tax rates on savers and investors. The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011. The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39.6 percent in 2011. These rates will rise another 3.8 percent in 2013. Second Wave: Obamacare There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include: The "Medicine Cabinet Tax" Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). The "Special Needs Kids Tax" This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. The HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike. This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Third Wave: The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they'll be in for a nasty surprise-the AMT won't be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired. The major items include: The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year. According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress' failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families-rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers. Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear. Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or "depreciate") equipment purchases up to $250,000. This will be cut all the way down to $25,000. Larger businesses can expense half of their purchases of equipment. In January of 2011, all of it will have to be "depreciated." Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses. There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the "research and experimentation tax credit," but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs. Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced. The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available. Tax credits for education will be limited. Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses. Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut. Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed. The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families. Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed. Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA. This contribution also counts toward an annual "required minimum distribution." This ability will no longer be there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: [AUS] Cops crack down on guns - --- On Tue, 6/29/10, 10x@telus.net <10x@telus.net> wrote: > It is not a safety issue - it is a criminal liability issue > for gun owners. Getting charged for "unsafe storage" even though > it is really a charge of "allowing unauthorized (unlicenced ) > individuals access. Depends on what they mean by "allowing"... Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Calgary man convicted after traffic stop finds gun - --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Joe Gingrich wrote: > A 22-year-old Calgary man was convicted Tuesday of four > weapons-related charges and one count of possession of criminal > proceeds resulting from a routine traffic stop on the west side of > Saskatoon that uncovered a stash of more than $15,000 in cash. What is a "routine traffic stop", exactly? > A lone city police officer stopped the car -- a Volkswagon > which had been rented with Tarcisyo's credit card -- just before > noon on Sept. 12, 2008, a few minutes after noticing two men > greeting each other on the street next to where it was parked > in the 200 block of Avenue D south, the trial heard. How does this constitute "reasonable and probable grounds" for a traffic stop? Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:16:15 -0600 From: "avon brown" Subject: Situational Awareness Happy Dominion Day Call me paranoid or more accurately my father, but I was taught by the age of twelve when I started driving our three ton logging truck (I was too small to use the chain saw) that as long as you drive as if everyone on the road was out to kill you life would be longer. It has served me to good stead from ice roads in the Arctic to logging roads in B.C. to highways all over North America. That being said. Aside from another law to erode our liberty the laws against cell phone use are useless. Driving without due care and attention covers ANY stupidity behind the wheel from applying make-up to staring at a GPS to know where your are,(Lord protect us from fools). Not to mention the over-abudance of gadgets and gizmos in a cop car. Of course their wardrobe makes them immune to distraction. Spoke with a young RCMP about why he believed it was justified for him to have a handgun when he confronted evil but it was unnecessary for me to have one when evil confronted me. He said it was his training. I watched him shoot at the range and then proceeded to outshoot him handily . He packed up and left without a word. Bear in mind that at best I am only competent with a handgun, but do have extensive use of force training. Again God save us from fools and God Damn the arrogant ones. Bud+Weiser Children Don't Need Self-Esteem They Need Self Control ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Severe measures to curb violence only alternative - --- On Thu, 7/1/10, Joe Gingrich wrote: > In fact, the members of the Black Bloc, who wait for an opportunity to > strike by hiding behind and among the waves of legitimate protesters, > pose a danger not only to the lives, property and liberty of others > around them, but they also constitute one of the most serious threats > that confront the basic democratic right of citizens to protest. > As one union organizer observed, on the streets of Toronto Saturday was > an intelligent, peaceful labour group that ended up being cornered and > silenced while the attention of the world's media was focused on angry, > black-clad hooligans whose sole purpose was to cause mayhem. They have only themselves to blame, for adopting the principle of "a diversity of tactics" which includes the use of violence as a political statement. What the protesters should do is turn around and grab these criminal thugs and turn them over to the police. Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:09:31 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Major change in Montreal Mafia"-Montreal Gazette While deer and duck hunters increasingly are the scapegoat of 'paper' crimes. Real crime goes shooting the old guard as a new one prepares to take it's place. The new crime lords will again establish ties to legitimate business and politicians. The effectiveness of the crime 'lobby' in Canada can't be denied. ============================================================= http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Major+change+Montreal+Mafia+Experts/3222616/story.html Major change in Montreal Mafia: Experts By René Bruemmer, Montreal Gazette July 1, 2010 MONTREAL - While theories abound over who is responsible for the latest in a series of murders or disappearances of members of Montreal's once all-powerful Mafia clan, experts agree on two certainties: after three decades of relative stability, the face of the city's Mafia hierarchy is undergoing a major management shuffle. And more blood will be spilled before the power struggle comes to an end. "This is another attack, a very powerful attack, on the Rizzuto crime family," said Antonio Nicaso, the Toronto-based author of several books on organized crime. "Someone is realigning the geography of the Mafia's power in Montreal." Agostino Cuntrera, 66, was said to be shortlisted as a possible leader of the Rizzuto crime family, a suiting tribute in that he helped the Sicilian clan gain power more than 30 years ago when he aided in the murder of Paulo Violi, who was then the reputed don of the Calabrian faction of the Mafia led by Vic Cotroni. But Cuntrera was reportedly reluctant to fill the role, and lacked the charisma needed for the post. The issue of his leadership potential became moot when he was gunned down Tuesday in broad daylight on the street outside his food distribution business in St. Léonard, along with 40-year-old Liborio Sciascia, who was well-known to police. The killing comes just over a month after Paolo Renda, the brother-in-law of the clan's former leader, was presumed kidnapped near his home and hasn't been heard from since. Renda, a quiet, 70-year-old behind-the-scenes player, was considered among the clan's top five leaders. The power vacuum has existed since the reported Godfather of Canada's leading crime family, 64-year-old Vito Rizzuto, was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2007 for racketeering in connection with his role in the killing of three members of the Bonanno crime family in 1981. His father, Nicolo Rizzuto, is 86, suffers from respiratory problems and isn't interested in taking the reins. Vito Rizzuto's son, Nick, was gunned down in the afternoon in Notre Dame de Grâce in December. The latest murder could be the work of a rival organization, such as the Calabrian faction, trying to muscle back in as part of the battle for control of the Canadian and American organized crime network, now that the Rizzuto clan is perceived to be wounded and weak, experts said. Two of Paulo Violi's sons live in Toronto. It could be a revenge killing by members of the entourage of Ducarme Joseph, a former street gang member who narrowly escaped execution in Old Montreal in March and who sources say is considered a possible suspect in the killing of Nick Rizzuto. Or it could be a sign of dissatisfaction by members of the Rizzuto clan who feel Cuntrera took too long to retaliate for the murder of Nick Rizzuto. Or that Cuntrera himself was responsible for Nick Rizzuto's murder, part of internecine warfare that is tearing the clan apart in a battle for new leadership. "One option is a revenge for the murder of Nick," Nicaso said. "In the Mafia history, revenge doesn't have a finish, like a statute of limitations." The killings can come years later, he said. Sources say most signs point to an internal power struggle. When Paolo Renda was kidnapped, his luxury car was found with its windows open, keys in the ignition, only blocks from his home, indicating that he was intercepted by somebody he trusted - a friend, associate or family member. Kidnapping an individual and disposing of his body is a standard Mafia tactic, which, like the murder of Cuntrera, is a type of "statement killing," a Montreal Police investigator who probes the Mafia told The Gazette. The implication of street gang members like Joseph in Mafia-related activities lately indicates certain factions of the Mafia is subcontracting some of its jobs out. The result is greater instability, as the notoriously unstable and disorganized street gangs become involved, as well as the possibility for greater violence, as gang members begin to demand a piece of the action in return for their services: most likely territory in which to sell cocaine, Nicaso said. The drug selling and street violence will continue as it always has, Nicaso said. What will change is the upper echelons of Mafia management circles, well-practised in the art of investing in or creating legitimate businesses in order to launder the cash that flows in from illegal pursuits like drug trafficking, gambling, loansharking and prostitution, as they are arrested or exterminated. But they will be replaced, Nicaso said. "The people who have relationships with politicians, the businessmen, the corporations, the real power that exists in a grey area, that is what is changing," Nicaso said. The ability of the Mafia to infiltrate legitimate businesses, that in turn give contributions to politicians campaigning for re-election, is what keeps it alive and makes organized crime so hard to battle, Nicaso said. "There will be a replacement in management, and they will take the time to build strategic connections to those powers. This is what the Mafia is all about." rbruemmer@thegazette.canwest.com © Copyright (c) The Montreal Gazette - -- Letters to the Editor; Letters to the Editor can be sent to; letters@thegazette.canwest.com ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #940 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)