Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, July 9 2010 Volume 13 : Number 951 In this issue: Saskatoon police arrest 39-year-old after morning standoff Cause of death unknown for 19-year-old in police custody "Re:Gun Control Advocates Decry Law Allowing Churchgoers to Pack-" Re: Can you tell us ? ? ? The endless trip to eh Dentist Re: Saskatoon police arrest 39-year-old after morning standoff Gee Tom... Extensive training does not mean skill OT: Re: Cause of death unknown for 19-year-old in police custody RE: "Re:Gun Control Advocates Decry Law Allowing Churchgoers..." National Review: Coyotes in The State of Nature ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:42:42 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Saskatoon police arrest 39-year-old after morning standoff http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Saskatoon+police+arrest+year+after+morning+standoff/3251182/story.html Saskatoon police arrest 39-year-old after morning standoff The StarPhoenix July 8, 2010 A 39-year-old Saskatoon man has been charged with a firearms offense and uttering threats following a two-hour standoff and ensuing chase Thursday morning through the downtown and Riversdale areas. Residents in the 300 block of Avenue F South, as well as several curious onlookers, watched as the man was handcuffed face-down on the sidewalk by an officer while another officer's police dog barked. The man was placed in the back of a police cruiser, swearing and yelling. Police received a call Thursday at 7:43 a.m. from a woman saying she "had an altercation" with a man with whom she had previously been involved, said Saskatoon Police Service Acting Sgt. Lee Jones. The man had a firearm, she said. Police came to the man's address in the 200 block of Third Avenue South. The emergency response team was called in to knock on the door, as the man had no phone to be reached on. "We take that kind of call seriously," Jones said. As police were securing the area, the man fled and was eventually spotted several blocks away in Riversdale by the complainant and an officer, who were driving in the area. Police arrested the man, and then scoured the yard of the home where he was arrested. The man has been charged with uttering threats to cause death and also pointing a firearm contrary to the Criminal Code of Canada. He is scheduled to appear before a justice of the peace Thursday night. Residents of the home closest to where the arrest took place stood on the porch throughout the incident drinking coffee. They declined comment, as did other neighbours. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:49:20 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Cause of death unknown for 19-year-old in police custody http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Cause+death+still+unknown+year+died+Saskatoon+police+custody/3252636/story.html Cause of death still unknown for 19-year-old who died in Saskatoon police custody The StarPhoenix July 8, 2010 Saskatoon police major crime investigators must wait for toxicology results to determine the cause of death of Brandon Travis Daniels, who died last week while in custody of Saskatoon police. An autopsy was conducted on Tuesday but no obvious anatomical cause of death was determined. The toxicology report could take as long as four months to be completed. Daniels, 19, of the Mistawasis First Nation, was visiting relatives and shopping for an uncle's wedding when he went missing last Friday afternoon, his mother, Sherry Bird, said Monday. Police had been called by someone who saw Daniels sitting on a bench near the Galaxy theatre vomiting at around 6:30 p.m. Friday. He was found dead in a cell about 12 hours later, his mother said. Daniels was on medication for an illness that had not yet been identified, but symptoms had not previously included vomiting, Bird said. He had gone downtown with a cousin and was waiting while the cousin attended a job interview. When the cousin came out, Daniels was gone. When Daniels still had not returned that night, relatives called his mother and she told them to call the police. Family notified police at around 1:30 a.m. and an officer visited the cousin to take a description of Daniels at around 2:30 a.m., Bird said. Police apparently did not make the connection between the missing person and the young man in cells at that time. At around 11 a.m., the family was notified that Daniels had been in custody and had died, Bird said. Major crimes investigators, under supervision of the RCMP, are working with the family to determine what happened, said Const. TishaRae Stonehouse, spokesperson for the Saskatoon Police Service. Daniels's funeral will be Friday at the reserve. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:38:40 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: "Re:Gun Control Advocates Decry Law Allowing Churchgoers to Pack-" somebody please tell the criminals ??ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gingrich" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: Gun Control Advocates Decry Law Allowing Churchgoers to Pack Heat http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/08/gun-control-advocates-decry-louisianas-new-law-allowing-churchgoers-pack-heat/?test=latestnews > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:43:06 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Can you tell us ? ? ? SENT ...ED/ON - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Miller" To: "Cdn-Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Can you tell us ? ? ? > Cc: Vic Toews , > Candice Hoeppner > > Len asks: Can you tell us how well the gun control legislation is > working? It has CAUSED deaths, by denying victims the ability to defend > themselves. > > I give you Bob and Bonnie Dagenais of Val des Monts Quebec > who died dialling 911 to a police detachment 30 minutes away. > Or Ray Michaelson, an octanagerian, widower, > living alone, had his back door screen cut with a knife, the > burglar brought to continue a home invasion robbery. > Michaelson was fatally stabbed when he went to investigate the noise. > The courts downgraded the event to manslaughter and meted out > a most inappropriate ten year sentence. > To a druggie, who knew the age and infirmity of her victim . . > > So, I'll give you a true Canadian, Dennis Galloway . of Port Alberni > one who should be the poster child for the correct and proper use of > a firearm. > Greg shot an armed robber at his jewelry store . > thereby saving the lives of his wife and daughter, working in the > family store. > Greg should have been called by every law abiding owner of a firearm, > and thanked for his heroic actions . . > > So much for the attitude of courts both to gun and knife murders. > You have yet to see ANY JUDGE get riled up over a breach of > court imposed sanctions . . to the extent the the miscreant > is dealt a sentence SO SEVERE that he regretted having so done. > In Canada / won't happen > Read Richard Stevens' . Dial 911 and Die . > > To the elected . I can bet my pension, you will put this 'on > ignore' . . To some gun owners, you may find this interesting, and go on > with your business . .. > To the really concerned you may call me, or pass this on to your local > MP . . I hope you bring it to the attention of YOUR MP . . > > Len > > ============================================================ > > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 11:55:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bruce Mills > Subject: Winnipeg Sun - Shot at random: cops > > http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/07/05/14621631.html > > 'Peg man shot at random: cops > Suspect was banned from carrying a gun > By PAUL TURENNE, QMI Agency > > WINNIPEG - A city man accused of getting off a transit bus and fatally > shooting a man who was apparently a complete stranger was subject to a > court-ordered weapons ban and was not supposed to be carrying a gun. > [snip] > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:30:04 -0400 From: Subject: The endless trip to eh Dentist In 2003 Ram Litman was arrested and charged with numerous firearms violations and uttering threats. Judge threw it all out. Crown lost, did not appeal. Instead tried a revocation hearing. Judge didn't bite citing "you (crowns) are trying to get through the back door what you did not get in the front). Certain orders were made for the return of property which were not firearms and firearms to go to Marstar In the mean time Litman has had to reapply for his license which he was assured Norma Couturier would have nothing to say. Now along comes this former cop friend of Litmans and behold he has his file and is working to get Litman his license. Wrong. He is not working to get Litman his license, and at many times has clearly shown that he is still trying to entrap Litman with words. Litman refuses to play the game. Litman had 12.8 category filled out his papers sent them in back in January 2010. What was supposed to take 28 days is going on and on. In fact the stupid people running the registry sent him his form back )application) and they also included the form of another person but with the same bar code on it as Litman's. A bright light allowed the true barcode numbers to be read underneath. And we wonder why gun owners homes get invaded and robbed. Incompetence is why. This person has yet to be told that his personal identifying information is in someone else's hands. of course the lawyers will soon have it. Now the amusing part. The friendly cop tells Litman that Chris Wyatt of the CFO man who says, yes or no to a license told the copper that Litman needs to take another safety course because its been five years since he handled a gun. Litman is about to tell the copper friend to produce this all in writing please and NO. The second condition the friendly copper wants included is this: "The police can enter his home to check his lockup anytime within a year. To this also he wants it in writing so he can say NO. The good copper when asked how many times in a year replied, "about three or four times or as we feel the need". Well now we have it the full unvarnished truth. The police lied at his trial, contaminated the evidence chain, lost twice and now they want to make it as difficult as possible for Litman to get his guns back. Can anyone say POLICE FUNCTION. If you do not have a copy ask I will send you one, Read it then start squawking making noise. If we don't rest assured there are more Friendly cops willing to prostitute themselves to step on your rights, freedoms all while smiling and saying; "I am not here to charge you I am not in that capacity." Another great lie. I guess the friendly copper thought Litman was a dufus. Demands the Conservative go back to a certification. That is the way we are going to see relief from these public servants and G2-0 rights violators back off. The soap box has not worked, and neither has the ballet box... what's next? Time for Jaw law is almost over. Far too many Canadians are being criminalized by these bad laws which the conservatives had promised to remove. Lets make sure they understand a promise is meant to be kept. After all another election is coming up even if we vote green and lose everything, at least we know where we stand. These Conservative lying sacks of shit, only want power and will do minimum to fulfill those promises if they know they can win. Perhaps if they felt they could lose they would work better. Unfortunately we are in a democracy rather than in a republic.. Pity. Canadians once in every five years we are a democracy after which we are a soft dictatorship with a queen. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:47:26 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Saskatoon police arrest 39-year-old after morning standoff At 07:42 AM 7/9/2010 -0600, you wrote: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Saskatoon+police+arrest+year+after+morning+standoff/3251182/story.html >Saskatoon police arrest 39-year-old after morning standoff > >The StarPhoenix > >July 8, 2010 > >A 39-year-old Saskatoon man has been charged with a firearms offense and >uttering threats following a two-hour standoff and ensuing chase Thursday >morning through the downtown and Riversdale areas. Good work by the police. Neither the firearms registry or the gun owners licensing scheme prevented this incident. The man was arrested for "making threats" - a real offense with a victim and possibly for "firearms offenses" which very likely have a victim but is likely an offense of not complying with the wishes of the state. Threatening someone is a criminal offense. Threatening someone with a weapon (any weapon - not only firearms) is a criminal offense. Resisting arrest - (running away from police who are attempting an arrest) is a criminal offense. There are more than enough laws existing to cover the alledged misdeeds of this individual without needing gun laws that are redundant. It is time for the criminal code in Canada to be reviewed and reformed. Particularly the parts of the criminal code that penalize gun owners over administrative errors and lapses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:48:05 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Gee Tom... Cc: tom.brodbeck@sunmedia.ca, Vic Toews , Sharon Gregson Tom Brodbeck; Gee, Tom with the passage of C-68 and its illegitimate children, safe, storage, registration AND licencing, we were led to believe that, suddenly the country would be safer. Now, the gun owning community, loudly objected, saying; "we have had gun registration since 1934 for handguns...and look how well that has kept down handgun crime". With Ecole Politechnique and other slaughters, the females have began screaming about the danger of a firearm. Now, 15 years later, and a trail of wreckage 'caused by guns' and who are the victims, you ask? Well it seems that those law abiding owners are the victims OF THE LAW. Have your guns stolen, and indictable offences committed with them and the 'gun police' go after the the victim. Raids upon the law-abiding, and gun seizures by the 'gun police' render the VICTIMS of what Alan Rock promised WOULD NOT HAPPEN is happening. Friends and acquaintances, are put upon, their firearms seized - even those who have done nothing of a criminal nature are now targetted by the 'gun police'. It seems that the mere possession of a registered gun suddenly is not good enough, as if government wished more Bob and Bonnie Dagenais', more Ragnar ( Ray ) Michaelsons, more Bill Roses, when it comes to the interactions between the criminal and the law-abiding. The Dagenais and Ray Michealson were slaughtered in home invasions. All the cops and media could do was to archive the event, having done nothing to prevent them. Bill Rose, (Abbotsford, BC), used HIS pistol to beat his invader over the head, driving HER away, the cops found her bleeding and whining some blocks away. A 78 year old veteran, Rose was, "I accuse", brought to an early death, because the ABBOTSFORD PD saw fit to seize/take his means of protection, ( see Alan Rock's admonition, that NO ONE MAY USE A GUN FOR SELF DEFENCE . . ) It's enough for seniors to get through the day without becoming an item with the police, John Dixon; "The supreme irony of the gun registry battle is that the policy was selected because it would goad people who knew something about guns to public outrage. That is, it had a purely political purpose in the special context of a hard-fought election." The fact that it was bad policy was crucial to the specific political effect it was supposed to deliver. And so we saw demonstrations by middle-aged firearm owners, family men whose first reflex was to respect the laws of the land. This group's political alienation is a far greater loss than the $200- millions # that have been wasted so far. The creation of this new criminal class -- the ultimate triumph of negative political alchemy -- "may be the worst, and most enduring product of the gun registry culture war." It's not enough, Tom Brodbeck, that people like yourself, AND Lorne Gunter, AND Licia Corbella, and Mark Bonokoski, post your truisms in your respective papers, politicians tend to put them 'on ignore'. But, it sure registers with the community. We have papers like the Star, the Globan Male, Vanc Sun, continually put snide commentary, in concert with government funded attacks on the law-abiding!! Consequently, it's the law-abiding who are attacked by the 'gun police'. The law abiding run to lawyers, who charge the bejabbers out of them and never seem to resolve the case...( see Dickens' Bleak House ). While your item's killer will be assured of having the least penalty. He WAS prohibited from firearms, wasn't he? And look how well that worked. Papers weren't meant to set standards, Papers were meant to inform . .. yet, Papers are NOT required to tell the truth. Recent US court finding. Papers may even lie . they say . . If the 'fifth estate' were truly independant, the truth is the one saving grace which should come first. BTW, Tom, you have joined that group of people who I would 'buy a dinner' for. Len Miller Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:43:08 -0400 From: Jules Sobrian Subject: Extensive training does not mean skill >Cause of death still unknown for 19-year-old who died in Saskatoon police >custody > >The StarPhoenix >July 8, 2010 > >Saskatoon police major crime investigators must wait for toxicology >results to determine the cause of death of Brandon Travis Daniels, who >died last week while in custody of Saskatoon police. > >An autopsy was conducted on Tuesday but no obvious anatomical cause of >death was determined. The toxicology report could take as long as four >months to be completed. > >Daniels, 19, of the Mistawasis First Nation, was visiting relatives and >shopping for an uncle's wedding when he went missing last Friday >afternoon, his mother, Sherry Bird, said Monday. > >Police had been called by someone who saw Daniels sitting on a bench near >the Galaxy theatre vomiting at around 6:30 p.m. Friday. He was found dead >in a cell about 12 hours later, his mother said. > >Daniels was on medication for an illness that had not yet been identified, >but symptoms had not previously included vomiting, Bird said. > >He had gone downtown with a cousin and was waiting while the cousin >attended a job interview. When the cousin came out, Daniels was gone. When >Daniels still had not returned that night, relatives called his mother and >she told them to call the police. > >Family notified police at around 1:30 a.m. and an officer visited the >cousin to take a description of Daniels at around 2:30 a.m., Bird said. > >Police apparently did not make the connection between the missing person >and the young man in cells at that time. > >At around 11 a.m., the family was notified that Daniels had been in >custody and had died, Bird said. > >Major crimes investigators, under supervision of the RCMP, are working >with the family to determine what happened, said Const. TishaRae >Stonehouse, spokesperson for the Saskatoon Police Service. > >Daniels's funeral will be Friday at the reserve. I am willing to bet the man was restrained, (leg irons and handcuffs) and was laying on the concrete floor of the cell. Several hours of that will result in hypothermia and depending on the temperature of the floor a prolonged period WILL result in death. I am aware of at least one individual who would have died from hypothermia while in the local cells in our local detachment after an eight hour stay in the cells. The individual was suffering from advanced hypothermia when they were placed in the cells and the condition got progressively worse until they were released. Hypothermia (and concrete floors) and the negligence of the jailers can be the explanation of a number of "unexplained deaths" in the cells. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:09:30 -0400 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: "Re:Gun Control Advocates Decry Law Allowing Churchgoers..." this after the case in theUSwhere some psyco shot up t church congregations until stopped by a cuhrch member who was packing. obvious man says you don't need a gun till you need a gun and then you need it real bad and right now. > From: mred@295.ca > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject:""Re:Gun Control Advocates Decry Law Allowing Churchgoers toPack" > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:38:40 -0400 > > somebody please tell the criminals ??ed/on > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Gingrich" > To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" > Sent: Thursday=2C July 08=2C 2010 10:00 PM > Subject: Gun Control Advocates Decry Law Allowing Churchgoers to Pack Heat > http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/08/gun-control-advocates-decry-louisianas-new-law-allowing-churchgoers-pack-heat/?test=3Dlatestnews > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, July 9, 2010 12:27 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: National Review: Coyotes in The State of Nature To: "OUTDOORS CAUCUS ASSOCIATION" National Review http://www.nationalreview.com/ Coyotes in The State of Nature The Left fears armed citizens because it fears citizens BY KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON Here's a two-Americas story for you: Westchester County, in the suburbs of New York City, was home to Hillary Clinton when she pretended to represent New York in the U.S. Senate, and its voters gave Barack Obama 63 percent of their ballots in 2008. It's the sort of place that causes heavy breathing among the liberal faithful devoutly awaiting the coming of the New Democratic Majority, that blessed condition that will enrapture America when formerly Republican white suburbanites once and for all join forces with the traditional Democratic coalition of ward heelers and welfare recipients in common cause against the pro-lifers, gun nuts, and tea-partying Palin enthusiasts of the GOP. So sayeth the Gospel according to Paul Begala. But Westchester County has a problem more often seen in rural, Republican-leaning jurisdictions: coyotes. These canine predators are a real menace, a fact that was dramatically illustrated in late June by the case of young Emily Hodulik, age six, who was attacked by a pair of coyotes on a leafy suburban street in the quaint town of Rye. The coyotes' offensive proceeded along classically predatory lines as the canines ignored the other children in the group and targeted the smallest, weakest child. Miss Hodulik suffered serious bite wounds but escaped without life-threatening injuries. She's undergoing a series of rabies shots, doesn't like to sleep alone, and is afraid that there are coyotes in the basement of the family home. Local officials have warned Westchester residents to keep an eye out for the beasts, especially if they have small children. Coyotes like to attack the little ones, human or otherwise. That was the case for one unfortunate coyote that attacked a puppy out for a jog with his master in Travis County, Texas, in the suburbs of Austin, where coyotes have it a little rougher than they do in suburban New York. That particular coyote had the bad luck to set his gaze on a puppy owned by Gov. Rick Perry, who produced a laser-sighted .380-caliber automatic pistol, loaded with hollowpoints, and sent it to the Happy Hunting Grounds. Governor Perry made light of the episode - he later signed a peace treaty with the San Antonio Spurs' coyote mascot - but the gunplay riled more than a few liberals. A Huffington Post story about it received more than 3,000 reader comments, many of them mocking in tone, most aghast that the governor was packing his own laser-sighted heat. Some of them bemoaned the suburban sprawl that is encroaching on the coyotes' natural habitat, all but demanding a collective examination of conscience: Why do the coyotes hate us? Never mind that coyotes have turned up in Central Park, or that one recent deadly coyote attack - ending the life of a young Canadian folk singer - happened on a hiking trail in a national park. Evolution bred coyotes to be predators. They are what they are, and sometimes they have to be shot. People have a visceral reaction to guns, which is why the reactions to the Supreme Court's recent decision in McDonald v. City of Chicago have been so emotional. One extraordinarily telling reaction came from David Ignatius of the Washington Post, whose response was headlined: "The Supreme Court Gun Decision Moves Us Toward Anarchy." Mr. Ignatius wrote: "My biggest worry with Monday's Supreme Court decision is that by ruling, in effect, that every American can apply for a gun license, the justices will make gun ownership much more pervasive in a society that already has too many guns. After all, if I know that my neighbor is armed and preparing for Armageddon situations where law and order break down (as so many are - just read the right-wing blogs) then I have to think about protecting my family, too. That's the state-of-nature, everyone for himself logic that prevails in places such as Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan." Mr. Ignatius here is remarkably forthcoming: He is not worried about guns in the hands of criminals, but about guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens, people who are willing to apply for a permit and jump through the bureaucratic hoops required of gun buyers. His nightmare is not an America in which criminals run amok with Glocks, or even an America in which gun permits are handed out liberally, but an America in which "every American can apply for a gun license." Never mind the approval of licenses, the mere application gives Mr. Ignatius the howling fantods. It is wonderfully apt that he references the "state of nature" in his criticism, imagining a Hobbesian version of life in these United States: solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short, permeated by the aroma of cordite. Mr. Ignatius, like Thomas Hobbes, is casting his lot with Leviathan and makes no apology for it. That is the essence of 21st-century progressivism: In matters ranging from financial derivatives to education to gun control, the Left believes that we face a choice between a masterful state and a Hobbesian war of all against all. For all of the smart set's vaunted and self-congratulatory nuance, it is this absolutist vision, this Manichean horror, that forms the foundation of progressivism. This, and not the threat of uncontrollable crime, is really at the heart of the suburban progressives' abomination of firearms. Coyotes may be an occasional menace, but the predators most commonly stalking Central Park, Westchester County, or the Austin suburbs go on two legs, not four. Just before the Supreme Court handed down its ruling in McDonald v. City of Chicago, there were in one weekend 50-odd shootings in the Windy City, at least ten of them fatal. Some of the shootings were instances of the random and chaotic violence that plagues urban America. Some were more sinister: Two young black men were found stripped naked and shot, face down in the dirt near the railroad tracks on the South Side. As of June, the murder rate in New York City - which likes to advertise itself as the safest big city in America - was up 7.2 percent over last year. But the idea that individuals might use firearms lawfully to defend themselves is either anathema to progressives or inconceivable to them. President Obama's reaction to the Heller decision, the predecessor to McDonald v. Chicago, suffered the inevitable lacunae: "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through commonsense, effective safety measures," he said, unable to consider the possibility that citizens' arming themselves against criminals is one potentially effective safety measure. "As president, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne." Coming from a city of gangland executions, Barack Obama affirms his commitment to Elmer Fudd's blunderbuss, and reasonable people might wonder: What exactly does work in Chicago, Mr. President? That is an unaskable question in the world of Barack Obama, because it is a question that penetrates to the center of his philosophy and exposes it as inadequate. Violence is traditionally something upon which the state maintains a monopoly, and the application of lethal force is the state's most jealously guarded prerogative. It is treated as a kind of holy office, which is one of the reasons that American executions are such strangely ritualized ceremonies. Under more frankly statist regimes, executions are much more plebeian affairs: China, for instance, has a mobile "death van," a kind of lethal-injection chamber on wheels, which it uses to dispatch with maximum efficiency those sentenced under one of its 68 varieties of capital offense. The execution vans are manufactured by Jinguan Auto, which also builds fortified limousines for China's burgeoning class of oligarchs, and there's a certain symmetry to that. To use lethal force in self-defense is the ultimate declaration of independence, a kind of momentary secession from the authority of the government whose laws and prisons and police officers have, in that moment, failed the citizen. To acknowledge the right to self-defense - and the concomitant right to be forearmed against aggressors - is to acknowledge that some things are outside the state and its authority, or at least that some moments are outside the state and its authority. The horror that progressives feel for gun owners is in many ways like the horror they feel for homeschoolers, whom they recognize, correctly, as one of the few truly radical movements in America. Prof. Robin West of Georgetown University's law school offers a typical reaction to the phenomenon: "The husbands and wives in these families feel themselves to be under a religious compulsion to have large families, a homebound and submissive wife and mother who is responsible for the schooling of the children, and only one breadwinner. These families are not living in romantic, rural, self-sufficient farmhouses; they are in trailer parks, 1,000-square-foot homes, houses owned by relatives, and some, on tarps in fields or parking lots. Their lack of job skills, passed from one generation to the next, depresses the community's overall economic health and their state's tax base." God defend the holy tax base! Homeschooling families in fact have higher average incomes than non-homeschool families, a fact that Professor West acknowledges and then magics away through the device of the "radically fundamentalist movement family," the one she locates on tarps in parking lots. Like Mr. Ignatius, Professor West is forthright about the statist origins of her horror: "Parents in many states have full authority, free of all state oversight, to determine the content of their children's education," a situation almost as unendurable as life in a 1,000-square-foot house. Professor West writes longingly of the golden age when practically all education was conducted under the tutelage of the state and opting out of the system was forbidden - and "parents who did so were criminals." You will not be surprised to read her lamenting a "constitutional culture" dominated by "militias, gun collectors, and ideologues constructing, with little help from courts and no resistance from liberals, an individual Right to Bear Arms." She connects this Second Amendment horror to other challenges to unlimited state supremacy - the anti-tax movement and citizen border patrols - and, like David Ignatius, she cites Hobbes, framing the debate as Leviathan vs. anarchy, leaving no room for well-ordered liberty under constitutionally limited government: If those rubes out on the tarps can fill the young skulls of their plenteous broods with any old rubbish, without the least privity or countenance of authority, then they're bound to get funny ideas about guns and taxes and illegal immigrants. And they are bound to chafe at having their lives run by Georgetown law professors. Just as state schooling is not about education, but about the state, gun control is not about guns: It's about control. A citizen who can fend for himself when the predators come or the schools fail is less inclined to look to the state for sustenance and oversight in other areas of life. To progressives, that's an invitation to anarchy. To the men who wrote the Second Amendment, it was a condition of citizenship in a free republic. It's what free men did, and do. 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