Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, July 12 2010 Volume 13 : Number 956 In this issue: Chicagoans Challenge New City Gun Law: Vol.17, No.27 07/09/10 Poor Bob [BLOG] REVIEW: Anti-Genocide Doc ˜Screamers" Contradicts Itself Re: "REVIEW: Anti-Genocide Doc ‘Screamers’ Don't Store Your Gun in the Stove re: "Why hasn't the RFC gotten it's message across?" Brits are slaves Re: Don't Store Your Gun in the Stove "Supreme Court ruling at odds with own views"-SP Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #955 RE: Brits are slaves Re: "Why hasn't the RFC gotten it's message across?" Senate poised to change government budget bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:55:12 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Chicagoans Challenge New City Gun Law: Vol.17, No.27 07/09/10 Excerpt: NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT Vol. 17, No. 27 07/09/10 With NRA support, Chicagoans Challenge New City Gun Law http://www.nraila.org/GrassrootsAlerts/read.aspx Barely a week after the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in McDonald v. City of Chicago, NRA is supporting a new lawsuit -- Benson v. City of Chicago -- to enforce the court's decision. The suit, filed on July 6 against the city and its mayor, Richard Daley, is the first to challenge the city's new gun control ordinance passed on July 2; [please see related story from last week's Grassroots Alert here; http://www.ilaalerts.org/UM/T.asp?A1.2.6707.9.1548049 ] Just four days after the Court struck down the nearly 30 year-long handgun bans in the cities of Chicago and Oak Park, Chicago enacted one of the most restrictive anti-gun ordinances in the United States. Commenting on the scope of the new ordinance, Corporation Counsel Mara Georges, the top attorney for the city, said, "We've gone farther than anyone else ever has." The city's so-called "Responsible Gun Ownership Ordinance" provisions include: a ban on all gun sales in the city; a ban on possession of firearms for self-defense outside the "home" -- even on a patio or in an attached garage; a ban on having more than one assembled and operable firearm in the home; a provision that allows the Chicago police to arbitrarily ban "unsafe" handguns based on unlimited criteria; and a training requirement to obtain a Chicago Firearm Permit. (However, range training would be impossible since it will now be unlawful to operate a shooting range within city limits.) Watch NRA's New Ad Opposing Elena Kagan's Confirmation to U.S. Supreme Court: On July 1, NRA announced its strong opposition to the confirmation of Elena Kagan for the U.S. Supreme Court in a letter; http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=13980 - - to the U.S. Senate. Read NRA's letter of opposition to Solicitor General Elena Kagan's confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/Kagan.pdf Both her political career in the Clinton Administration and her testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee make it clear that Kagan would be a serious opponent of our Second Amendment Rights. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:28:14 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Poor Bob Bob sez: Cops are criminals within their environment (as well as to ours) to the point that the trillions of policies, codes, rules, suggestions, etc., are policed to the point that standing in a corner is all that is legally allowed. Poor Bob, gone through his entire life ... and never met a honest cop. Len observes.... Trot out the honest lawyers Bob. Met lots of 'honest judges? ... read Contempt of Court and you might get an idea of what honest cops are up against. How about the penal system which WAS fully responsible for the death of TWO MORE CITIZENS by a convicted murderer, Bob, serving time in 'Club Fed' and having been caught will NOT serve the penalty which Trudeau, (and Mulroney), effectively did away with. Then read any one, or all of the books listed ... THEN GET BACK TO US. Carsten Stroud - Contempt of Court - AbeBooks Contempt of Court by Stroud, Carsten and a great selection of similar ... Contempt Of Court - Betrayal Of Justice In Canada (ISBN: 0771591969 / 0-7715-9196-9) ... or The New Centurions, The New Centurions The New Centurions: a novel about policemen by a policeman...The new centurions are three Los Angeles policemen: Serge Duran, a tough, ... www.josephwambaugh.net/html/the_new_centurions.html - - and No, I don't like it either. Len ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [BLOG] REVIEW: Anti-Genocide Doc ˜Screamers" Contradicts Itself http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/dgifford/2010/06/23/review-anti-genocide-doc-screamers-contradicts-itself-calls-for-end-of-private-gun-ownership/ REVIEW: Anti-Genocide Doc "Screamers" Contradicts Itself, Calls For End of Private Gun Ownership by Dan Gifford Genocide is an ugly subject that needs to be shoved into every generation's face because the deliberate extermination of some targeted group by their own government occurs somewhere in the world during every generation. What does not need to be pushed in conjunction with that awareness is the propaganda of pacifist victimhood and the exoneration by omission of the most prolific mass murderers because of an affinity for their ideologies. One spreads the false perception that resistance is futile, that none of those marked for death can or have saved themselves by fighting back. The other avoids all mention of the political dogma solely responsible for most mass murder. Screamers is a documentary that does all of the above. Film director Carla Garapedian accomplishes that while following a tour of System of a Down. It's a rock band of Armenian descended Americans (I reject hyphenated Americanism) who use much of their music to express outrage about the 1915 massacre of more than 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Turks and the fact that neither today's Turkish government or President Obama will say it was genocide. "Screamers" is about exposing the denial of all genocide, Armenia, the Holocaust, Cambodia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, the Iraqi Kurds and the current horror in Darfur. It is about making sure the same critical message George Clooney and Don Cheadle are 'screaming' about is heard, that these atrocities 'never happen again,'" says Garapedian. Never happen again? Her lips to God's ears. But genocides always happen again. And the film's exclusion of two reasons they do started me "screaming" at Ms. Garapedian during a Director's Guild Q&A session. First, why are the mass killings of the Nazi socialists repeatedly named, while those committed by communist socialists are ignored? Second, why is there no mention that the Armenian genocide and all the others were preceded by a lawful disarming of those to be slaughtered by their own government and that those who broke those laws fought back and often lived? The film's Cambodia example doesn't mention Pol "The only good bourgeois is a dead bourgeois" Pot's Utopian Marxism motivation. Worse, Screamers says nothing at all about the estimated hundreds of millions offed by Stalin, the Jong-ils and Mao Tse Tung regimes. That's exponentially more dead than Hitler ever wet-dreamed about. So why do the most prolific butchers in recorded human history, the communists, get a Screamers pass, I asked? That question's point got lukewarm acknowledgment from Garapedian and maybe 30% of the Director's Guild audience. Gloria Allred even applauded after making sure she wasn't alone. But my second question about armed resistance turned the entire audience against me and elicited a humored dismissal from Garapedian about that being "an interesting NRA idea she had never heard before." She would have had she properly researched the subject, or maybe she did and found it politically incorrect. Either way, the facts were published long before Screamers was filmed by George Mason University School of Law Dean Daniel D. Polsby and constitutional law attorney / criminologist Don B. Kates, Jr. in the Washington University Law Quarterly. Having systematically disarmed Armenians through a series of decrees; the Turkish army and police were able to round up and kill over one million Armenians by a combination of overt murders and forced marches over hundreds of miles without food or water. However, thousands of Armenians from Aleppo province (modern Syria), who had secreted guns, took to the hills. Having defeated the first Turkish army units sent against them, they retreated from stronger forces in good order, until they reached the sea where the British, who were at war with the Turks, evacuated them. The Armenian prelude to annihilation was not unique. "The Nazis disarmed the Jews; the Khmer Rouge disarmed the Cambodians," notes Emory University law professor Alexander "Sasha" Volokh. One Cambodian survivor recalled Khmer Rouge soldiers told villagers "We are here now to protect you, no one has a need for a weapon anymore." [This all] took nine or ten days, and once the soldiers had concluded the villagers were no longer armed they dropped their pretense of friendliness. "It is an arresting reality that not one of the principal genocides of the twentieth century, and there have been dozens, has been inflicted on a population that was armed; We argue a connection exists between the restrictiveness of a country's civilian weapons policy and its liability to commit genocide upon its own people," Polsby and Kates concluded. Like the omitted communist connection to mass carnage, that's major stuff to be missing from a documentary about preventing genocide, too major to have been unwittingly overlooked, I suspect. Screamers is being shown to world leaders, most recently Canada's Parliament, as part of an apparent effort to advance support for a world prohibition on private gun ownership. It's worth noting too that the most repressive United Nations members have long wanted to ban private firearm possession so they can more safely impose totalitarian control and commit future genocides if desired. Oops, did I just expose the twisted meaning of this UN headquarters sculpture that "self-defense is a privilege that governments may choose to grant or withdraw?" The practical application of that position is this: When the police or soldiers show up and it's obvious they intend to kill you, do you have a right to defend your life or an obligation to obey the law and die? My Director's Guild experience indicates the correct answer is die. But that's no surprise in a Hollywood so smitten by collectivism that Mao's Kitchen and it's "Red memories" of 100 million plus Red murders are considered trendy restaurant decor. Perhaps the naivety of passivism caused Garapedian to adopt the Michael Moore documentary model of only including those facts that promote her politics. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:19:56 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: "REVIEW: Anti-Genocide Doc ‘Screamers’ On 24-Jun-10, at 9:15 AM, Bruce Mills wrote: > Subject: "REVIEW: Anti-Genocide Doc 'Screamers' Contradicts Itself, > Calls For End of Private Gun Ownership" > http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/dgifford/2010/06/23/review-anti-genocide-doc-screamers-contradicts-itself-calls-for-end-of-private-gun-ownership/ > > - by Dan Gifford > http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/author/dgifford/ > > Genocide is an ugly subject that needs to be shoved into every > generation's face because the deliberate extermination of some > targeted group by their own government occurs somewhere in the world > during every generation. >>>>>>> "Genocide is an ugly subject." In Canada we seem way too prone to talk about the "RFC" as in the "Recreational Firearms Community" rather than the much more important "Responsible Firearms Community". We have the Right to own firearms to protect ourselves from our Government, NOT for the "recreational" use for sports shooting of hunting and target shooting. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, July 11, 2010 5:46 pm From: "Jim Pook" Subject: Don't Store Your Gun in the Stove http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/60338 Don't Store Your Gun in the Stove Antoine Boutte of College Park, Georgia was in the habit of storing his gun in the bottom of his gas stove. Last Saturday, he forgot the loaded .40 caliber Smith & Wesson was there and fired up the stove to cook a meal. The gun's magazine melted in the heat, and bullets started going off like popcorn. The damage may have been confined to the stove, if no one had opened the oven door. Boutte's friend, Christopher Henderson, opened the stove "to see what was happening," the police report said. That's when part of a bullet casing flew out of the stove, hitting Henderson in the stomach, police said. Henderson was taken to a hospital and treated for non-life threatening injuries. _____ Jim Pook Vancouver Island-North ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:29:26 -0600 (MDT) From: birch_as_in_tree@telus.net Subject: re: "Why hasn't the RFC gotten it's message across?" The simple answer - 'cause we're such nice push-over pussies. Where else in the world would you hear someone apologize for rubb= ing elbows with you in a supermarket? Elsewhere in the world, you'd hear, "Pardon, 'scusi, excusez-moi, entshulengentsie (can recall the German), etc., but a Canuck is "Sorry". Until we get "mad as hell" and decide we're not taking it any more, things will continue as before. Some of us can still remember when the whole FAC and registration thing came down. Most Canucks couldn't have cared less and were sure their gov't would never do to them what they did. When it became apparent what the plan was, they were still content as long as THEIR guns and sport were safe. That's like throwing meat to a croc, hoping to be the last meal. The surest way to get space around you at a shoot was to try and raise a political discussion. People preferred the 'head-in-the-sand' approach, and some still do. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:37:56 -0400 From: Subject: Brits are slaves In the song "Rule Britannia" the end line on one of the verses says "Britain's will never be slaves". I beg so much to differ. George Mason explained, '(T)o disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them.' Noah Webster elaborated: 'Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed. You see with the Brits effectively barred from owning firearms, only their police and army have guns. The rest are the lawful prey of overzealous politicians who want more subservient taxpayers and the criminals who want to steal them blind. Indeed the Brits are slaves. Couple that with 14 million CCTV cameras and more being put up each day, how could anyone think otherwise. Freedom in Uk is gone, it is a nice prison with far too many laws making far too many people criminals for doing nothing more than defending themselves against criminals. The sun has indeed set on the Empire. If we had known then what we know now, Why did Canada, US and others come to the aid of Britain. What a waste of lives and treasure. Pity, but we don't want that sort of slavery on this side of the Atlantic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: Don't Store Your Gun in the Stove At the best, the friend would get the burn to the skin (provided he had no cloth or very light cloth on) and the high temperature would be not be a result from exploding ammunition, but from the stove heat. Most people don't understand that what make bullet fly is the fact that gases can only exist by pushing bullet down the barrel by creating a high pressure. If there is no barrel and bolt to block gases, no "shooting" would happen. In case of just ammo on fire, the bullet would not fly at all as it heavier than case. The case may fly a few inches, but most power would be lost almost right away as soon as case separates from the bullet and pressure that moved the case is lost. In case of ammo in the magazine, the chances of case flying around is almost non-existing due to the fact that magazine would keep the case inside the melting mag preventing it from flying. Vlad - --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Jim Pook wrote: From: Jim Pook Subject: Don't Store Your Gun in the Stove To: "Firearms_Digest" Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:13 AM http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/60338 Don't Store Your Gun in the Stove Antoine Boutte of College Park, Georgia was in the habit of storing his gun in the bottom of his gas stove. Last Saturday, he forgot the loaded .40 caliber Smith & Wesson was there and fired up the stove to cook a meal. The gun's magazine melted in the heat, and bullets; http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/man-shot-after-loaded-563722.html - - started going off like popcorn. The damage may have been confined to the stove, if no one had opened the oven door. Boutte's friend, Christopher Henderson, opened the stove "to see what was happening," the police report said. That's when part of a bullet casing flew out of the stove, hitting Henderson in the stomach, police said. Henderson was taken to a hospital and treated for non-life threatening injuries. _____ Jim Pook Vancouver Island-North ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:02:56 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Supreme Court ruling at odds with own views"-SP Apparently, the S.C.C. has recently made a ruling supporting government denying access to information from a report on Crown and police misconduct. According to this editorial and the excerpt from the decision of the court is easily interpreted to support government secrecy. If Crown and police misconduct is suppressible, likely, gov't. reports on gun control will be as suppressed by the Conservatives as they were under the Liberals, given this ruling. Citizens will have to fight tooth and nail in the court of public opinion to discover how their taxes are spent. The flickering flame of freedom dims in the halls of the state. It will only survive if it burns much brighter in the hearts and minds of our citizens. Without freedom of information as to the conduct of it's public servants how can an election be free and be a true test of the will of the citizenry? http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Supreme+Court+ruling+odds+with+views/3239797/story.html?cid=megadrop_story ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:28:52 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #955 A target shooting Saskatchewan farm boy starting a TV News channel that isn't prejudiced against traditional Canadian culture, and might be willing to take on political correctness in it's editorial/ commentary? I'll believe it when I see it. A brighter future? It will only help if there is a political movement for our Rights and Freedoms for it to reflect. On 11-Jul-10, at 10:27 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 23:36:29 -0400 > From: Lee Jasper > Subject: One smooth operator who's crazy like a Fox > > [Former Ottawa PMO mover and shaker]. > > One smooth operator who's crazy like a Fox > > Kory Teneycke brings a warrior=92s zeal to his plan to launch a > Canadian right-wing news network, but can he separate himself from > his former Tory bosses? > > Steven Chase > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/kory-teneycke-one-=20 > smooth-operator-whos-crazy-like-a-fox/article1635102/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:31:32 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: RE: Brits are slaves I agree with your posting, with the exception of the last sentence. I witness the idolatry of the queen, by the local peasants. I didn't hear the queen mention the police state tactics of the Toronto police. Instead she praised them. Reports in the news say that 70% of Canadians approve of the police state approach of Toronto police. It seems that Canadians DO want slavery. Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* > From: ross.j@rogers.com > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Brits are slaves > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:37:56 -0400 > > In the song "Rule Britannia" the end line on one of the verses says > "Britain's will never be slaves". > > I beg so much to differ. > > George Mason explained, '(T)o disarm the people (is) the best and most > effectual way to enslave them.' Noah Webster elaborated: 'Before a > standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed. > > You see with the Brits effectively barred from owning firearms only their > police and army have guns. The rest are the lawful prey of overzealous > politicians who want more subservient taxpayers and the criminals who > want to steal them blind. > > Indeed the Brits are slaves. Couple that with 14 million CCTV cameras and > more being put up each day, how could anyone think otherwise. Freedom > in Uk is gone, it is a nice prison with far too many laws making far > too many people criminals for doing nothing more than defending > themselves against criminals. > > The sun has indeed set on the Empire. > > If we had known then what we know now=2C Why did Canada US and others > come to the aid of Britain. What a waste of lives and treasure. > > Pity, but we don't want that sort of slavery on this side of the > Atlantic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:33:33 -0400 From: "enigma1" Subject: Re: "Why hasn't the RFC gotten it's message across?" Mr. Birch has quite succinctly hit the proverbial 'nail' on the head. Canadian gun owners, as a waning clan, lack the intestinal fortitude of an amoeba. Oh yes, there are those few hearty souls that fling themselves under the judicial bus. Those intrepid "from my dead cold hands' type. However, the majority, sadly, succumb to the "if I whistle while walking past the cemetery" syndrome, "nothing will happen to me". How myopic. Unlike the herd instinct that serves the Wildebeest well while crossing crocodilian rivers, Canadian gun owners can find no sanctuary or comfort in their large if dwindling numbers because each and every loss is felt and impacts the entire community. As long as each sub-group within the RFC clings selfishly to the notion that as long as their particular discipline evades the glare of the authorities, that they will remain safe, is at best doltish and at worst dangerous. But then, Canadians are a peaceful and polite herd and smug that they are not given to the eccentricities and passions that denote the American landscape. Ah, the land of the brave and the free. As a consequence, I believe, that future Americans will be enjoying their many shooting sports while Canadians, like hungry orphans with noses pressed against restaurant windows, will watch their American cousins gorge themselves and then be able to only reminisce about past glories and missed opportunities. How Canadian, eh. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: re: "Why hasn't the RFC gotten it's message across?" > The simple answer - 'cause we're such nice push-over pussies. > > Where else in the world would you hear someone apologize for rubb= ing > elbows with you in a supermarket? Elsewhere in the world, you'd hear, > "Pardon, 'scusi, excusez-moi, entshulengentsie (can recall the German), > etc., but a Canuck is "Sorry". > > Until we get "mad as hell" and decide we're not taking it any more, things > will continue as before. Some of us can still remember when the whole FAC > and registration thing came down. Most Canucks couldn't have cared less > and were sure their gov't would never do to them what they did. When it > became apparent what the plan was, they were still content as long as > THEIR guns and sport were safe. > > That's like throwing meat to a croc, hoping to be the last meal. > > The surest way to get space around you at a shoot was to try and raise a > political discussion. People preferred the 'head-in-the-sand' approach, > and some still do. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:23:57 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Senate poised to change government budget bill [Trojan Horse bills are a mockery to democratic gov't. If our representatives can't understand some of the simple issues we keep raising about Ch. 39, how could they possibly grasp the intricacies of such a monstrous piece of legislation. Open and Accountable my foot]. Senate poised to change government budget bill By BRYN WEESE, Parliamentary Bureau > http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/07/12/14687851.html OTTAWA - Put down that BBQ chicken and crack out the wet naps. MPs might be recalled to Ottawa during their summer break if senators strike down parts of the government's massive *880-page* omnibus budget bill. The Senate's finance committee met 26 times since early June to study the bill - which includes more than 2,200 clauses - and last week voted to remove four controversial parts, including giving the government carte blanche to sell Atomic Energy Canada Ltd., reducing the scope of federal environmental assessments and potentially scrapping Canada Post's monopoly on international mail. Critics have argued such measures have no place in a budget bill, and were only included to avoid public scrutiny and ensure they pass. "Maybe they don't have the support amongst their own members in the Senate or the House for all of these things, and the only way they can get them through is to ram them all in a big budget bill and say, 'vote for this or we'll have an election',” wondered Liberal Sen. James Cowan, who leads his party in the upper chamber. “That kind of bullying tactic worked in the House of Commons, but we have different considerations.” The Senate was expected to vote on the committee's amendments late Monday night. If they pass, the bill would be sent back to Parliament to approve or reject the upper chamber's changes. Conservative senators were successful earlier Monday in limiting debate on the bill to six hours. A spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper wouldn't say whether Harper would recall MPs to defeat the Senate's changes, if passed, or whether the government would wait until the fall. It's "speculative," wrote Dimitri Soudas in an e-mail Monday. "We urge Ignatieff Liberals in the Senate to pass Canada's economic action plan without delay or obstruction." But NDP Leader Jack Layton has dared Harper to call MPs back from their summer BBQs if opposition senators are successful, so that MPs can deal with the budget bill again. “We have opposed this Trojan Horse budget from the start,” Layton said recently. “Gutting environmental protections, opening up Canada’s nuclear industry to privatization and selling out Canada Post have no place in the budget.” Layton accused the Liberals, whose senators were trying to change the budget bill in the Senate, of shirking ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #956 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)