Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, August 20 2010 Volume 13 : Number 998 In this issue: "CSSA: Officer's survey finds 92% want gun registry scrapped'" Bureaucracy stomps on liberty seminar - The Toronto Sun Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #993 [Subject: Re: Tamils] 92% of Police say Scrap the Registry "Sniper in Afghan town puts marines on edge"-Wall Street Journal "Mexico under siege"-Wall Street Journal Re: floods in Pakistan *NFR* Turbans RE: "Between A Rock & A Hard Place" RE: 92% of Police say Scrap the Registry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: "CSSA: Officer's survey finds 92% want gun registry scrapped'" Subject: "CSSA Press Release: Officer's survey finds 92% of police want gun registry scrapped'" CSSA Press Release - Officer's survey finds 92% of police want gun registry scrapped Veteran police officer says database is dangerous for cops to use Vaughan ON - August 19, 2010 A national survey conducted by an Edmonton police officer reveals that 92 percent of police officers in Canada want Members of Parliament to vote in favour of scrapping the long-gun registry in September. Constable Randy Kuntz, a 22-year veteran with Edmonton Police Services (EPS), says the survey he conducted last year should be embraced by M.P.s when they vote on Bill C-391 that advocates dispatching the registry. Kuntz, an Exemplary Service Medal recipient, hopes to expose the grave mistake that the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) is making by supporting the registry. "The CACP is not some mindless group of misguided men and women who strive to oppress," says Kuntz. "There are many things they do very well as a unit. They simply have this one matter very wrong. The idea that the firearms registry is necessary and useful is wrong. They claim that they speak for all police officers on this matter. I think I have shown that they don't." Kuntz used a popular police magazine to query officers across Canada if they supported the registry as a useful working tool. While he is first to admit the survey is not scientific, he believes it closely reflects the current climate among his fellow officers. He expected a couple of hundred replies, but of the 2,631 officers who responded from every province and territory, 2,410 said the registry is useless as a crime fighting tool and many believe it poses a danger to police. "The firearms database shows registered firearms and their owners," explains Kuntz. "No telling where those firearms are actually located, it just shows the law abiding citizen who owns legal firearms. There is nothing that says the firearms have to be in the possession of the person to whom they are registered. I can loan a firearm to anyone who possesses a valid license for that type of firearm. "A person can have a valid possession/acquisition license, but not have any registered firearms in his name," he adds. "So, no firearms are on the database associated to his address. But, he can borrow a firearm and have it in his possession. What good is the registry, then? In the above example, the police officer checks the person and sees he has no firearms registered to him - so does the policeman think there are no firearms? Probably. It's a huge mistake on the police officer's part, relying on a database for your safety. It's ridiculous." Kuntz conducted the survey on his own because he was very concerned that officers could be killed if they relied on the registry data. He also believes the CACP is misrepresenting the facts by continually claiming that a massive majority of police officers support the registry. There is often a gulf between management and employee interests in any organization and police work is no different. "The CACP tells the public that it is a necessary tool for law enforcement," says Kuntz. "It is not It just gives the perception of that. It was pretty overwhelming that those who responded (to the survey) were against the registry. Most of the respondents were constables and sergeants/detectives - guys and gals with their boots on the pavement, so to speak. They're the cops that the public meets and deals with on a daily basis. I respect Chief Rick Hanson of Calgary Police Services. He took a stand against the CACP's position on the registry. It takes a lot of guts to face others of equal rank and say, "you are wrong."" While Kuntz suspects the CACP isn’t deliberately trying to deceive the public, he hopes his survey results will send the chiefs and M.P.s an important message. M.P.s are voting on September 22 on an opposition-led motion that is poised to kill Bill C-391 even before it gets to the 3rd reading stage. Many pundits predict that the vote could be very close. "I believe that the CACP believes they are looking out for us," he explains "That's the scary part. The registry was touted as a public safety program. The problem is, the registry does nothing to improve anyone’s safety and it has cost the Canadian public two billion dollars, plus millions per year to maintain. If such a wasteful program was proposed in the private sector, it would have never got off the ground in the first place." During debates on Bill C-391, some police services members told the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security that police were being warned by superiors against speaking publicly against the registry. Meanwhile, Kuntz's fellow officers have cautioned him that his stance is likely to have a career-limiting effect. During his 22 years as a police officer, he has worked in the Intelligence Analysis Unit, Cold Case Homicide, Integrated Intelligence Unit with EPS and RCMP, Criminal Investigation Section, Driver Training, and he has been acting Detective/Sergeant. "I have had an excellent career thus far in the rank of Constable," he says. "I made it clear to our Human Resources recently that I would not be participating in any future promotion processes. Some things are more important than my personal ambitions. This is one of them. It is something that affects all Canadians as it is our money funding this wasteful program." He also provides some sage advice for new recruits: "If you rely on a computer database for your safety, you are an idiot. Learn to investigate using your observation and communication skills. We were pretty successful in doing that for 100 years prior to the registry." The CSSA is the voice of the sport shooter and firearms enthusiast in Canada. Our national membership supports and promotes traditional target shooting competition, modern action shooting sports, hunting, and archery. We support and sponsor competitions and youth programs that promote these Canadian heritage activities. For further information, contact: Tony Bernardo 905-571-2150 Larry Whitmore 519-254-7744 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:26:03 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Bureaucracy stomps on liberty seminar - The Toronto Sun Bureaucracy stomps on liberty seminar By BRIAN LILLEY, Parliamentary Bureau > http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/08/19/15074371.html OTTAWA - They fled communist oppression in Poland in the 1980s, now the Jaworski family faces financial ruin over an anonymous complaint alleging they used their own land improperly. Lech and Marta Jaworski came to Canada in the late '80s after the Polish government began looking into the family's pro-democracy activities. They eventually settled in Orono, Ont., a small town between Oshawa and Peterborough. For the past nine years they've allowed their son Peter to host the Liberty Summer Seminar, a yearly gathering of people to listen to speeches about freedom. Now they face fines up to $50,000 because of a complaint about the event. "I can't tell you who filed the complaint," said Clarington town clerk Pattie Barrie. "All of our complaints are kept confidential." Lech and Marta have been summoned to appear in a Whitby court on Sept. 28 as a result of the complaint. They're accused of using their own land improperly to host the event. If found guilty, they could each be fined $25,000. The summons says the land, zoned agricultural, was being used to host a commercial conference in violation of local zoning bylaws. "I'm trying to find as much humour as possible and the irony does not escape me," said Peter Jaworksi. Jaworski, and many of those who attended his conference, hold libertarian political views that call for as much freedom from government interference as possible. Jaworski told QMI Agency he has never heard a complaint from his neighbours in the nine years he's hosted the conference. In the past, the conference has attracted federal and provincial politicians, students, and local and national media attention. This year, 72 people came to the farm to discuss liberty. There may not be a seminar next year because of bureaucracy. brian.lilley@sunmedia.ca >>>> [For a while I thought the Jaworski's might have some connection with Janusz Zurakowski, the former CF-105 Avro Arrow test pilot, honoured by Zurakowski Park, opened on July 26, 2003 in Barry's Bay, Ontario > http://zurakowskipark.madawaskavalley.on.ca/]. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:57:39 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #993 [Subject: Re: Tamils] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "TONY KATZ" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:05 PM Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #993 [Subject: Re: Tamils] > The Talmud says "better fifty guilty men go free than one innocent be > punished." and who am I to dispute the Talmud. However it does not mean > we should not fully investigate each and every refugee claimant for > criminal, terrorist or fraudulent claims and punish those found guilty > to the fullest extent of the law. > > It goes without saying that the captain, crew and owners of the vessel > are de facto guilty of attempting to subvert our laws and if that is not > a criminal offence with severe consequences it should be. > > The vessel should be seized by the crown and sold to recover costs and > the owners if they can be found should be sued in civil court for costs > over and above any criminal charges and fines that could and should be > levied. > > Only by making this enterprise dangerous and unprofitable will it cease. > > If crime prospers it will only and inevitably increase. This group had a > well founded ship, adequate supplies and was not severely overcrowded, > you can bet that as more unscrupulous and greedy criminals enter what > could be a lucrative market conditions will only worsen ultimately > leading to a tragedy involving hundreds of casualties. > > >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:59:21 -0300 >> From: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca >> To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca >> Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #993 [Subject: Re: Tamils] >> >> On 18/08/10 14:51, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: >> > I've*ALWAYS* considered myself to be a "liberal" in the classic sense. >> > >> > I believe wholeheartedly in personal freedoms, detest tyranny of any >> > kind, and have at various times stood up for "little guys". I think >> > this describes many of us on this digest. >> >> >> I'm with you on this one, Rob. >> >> There is a place for the use of force. We on this Digest already know it >> well, but I will restate it for the sake of clarity: The use of force is >> justified for the immediate protection of human life against those who >> would commit violence against us or those we care about when other means >> have either failed or are very unlikely to stave off the violence. >> >> Thus it is OK to fire on a vessel that is in the act of committing >> piracy or landing armed troops as part of an assault, but not one that >> is loaded with families seeking shelter. So since we are not Immediately threatened with force but it is in hiatus and potentailly there,? we should do nothing to stop any APPARENT HIDDEN issues of future force against Canadians by illegal foriegn criminals ? I would classify them as potential terrorsists in other words ?I`m sure that the anti -terrorist legislation that is in force and being used against native born Canadians would apply here. ED/ON ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:00:50 -0400 From: "Larry Whitmore" Subject: 92% of Police say Scrap the Registry Officer's survey finds 92% of police want gun registry scrapped Veteran police officer says database is dangerous for cops to use Vaughan ON - August 19, 2010 - A national survey conducted by an Edmonton police officer reveals that 92 percent of police officers in Canada want Members of Parliament to vote in favour of scrapping the long-gun registry in September. Constable Randy Kuntz, a 22-year veteran with Edmonton Police Services (EPS), says the survey he conducted last year should be embraced by M.P.s when they vote on Bill C-391 that advocates dispatching the registry. Kuntz, an Exemplary Service Medal recipient, hopes to expose the grave mistake that the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) is making by supporting the registry. "The CACP is not some mindless group of misguided men and women who strive to oppress," says Kuntz. "There are many things they do very well as a unit. They simply have this one matter very wrong. The idea that the firearms registry is necessary and useful is wrong. They claim that they speak for all police officers on this matter. I think I have shown that they don't." Kuntz used a popular police magazine to query officers across Canada if they supported the registry as a useful working tool. While he is first to admit the survey is not scientific, he believes it closely reflects the current climate among his fellow officers. He expected a couple of hundred replies, but of the 2,631 officers who responded from every province and territory, 2,410 said the registry is useless as a crime fighting tool and many believe it poses a danger to police. "The firearms database shows registered firearms and their owners," explains Kuntz. "No telling where those firearms are actually located, it just shows the law abiding citizen who owns legal firearms. There is nothing that says the firearms have to be in the possession of the person to whom they are registered. I can loan a firearm to anyone who possesses a valid license for that type of firearm. "A person can have a valid possession/acquisition license, but not have any registered firearms in his name," he adds. "So, no firearms are on the database associated to his address. But, he can borrow a firearm and have it in his possession. What good is the registry, then? In the above example, the police officer checks the person and sees he has no firearms registered to him - so does the policeman think there are no firearms? Probably. It's a huge mistake on the police officer's part, relying on a database for your safety. It's ridiculous." Kuntz conducted the survey on his own because he was very concerned that officers could be killed if they relied on the registry data. He also believes the CACP is misrepresenting the facts by continually claiming that a massive majority of police officers support the registry. There is often a gulf between management and employee interests in any organization and police work is no different. "The CACP tells the public that it is a necessary tool for law enforcement," says Kuntz. "It is not. It just gives the perception of that. It was pretty overwhelming that those who responded (to the survey) were against the registry. Most of the respondents were constables and sergeants/detectives - guys and gals with their boots on the pavement, so to speak. They're the cops that the public meets and deals with on a daily basis. I respect Chief Rick Hanson of Calgary Police Services. He took a stand against the CACP's position on the registry. It takes a lot of guts to face others of equal rank and say, 'you are wrong.'" While Kuntz suspects the CACP isn't deliberately trying to deceive the public, he hopes his survey results will send the chiefs and M.P.s an important message. M.P.s are voting on September 22 on an opposition-led motion that is poised to kill Bill C-391 even before it gets to the 3rd reading stage. Many pundits predict that the vote could be very close. "I believe that the CACP believes they are looking out for us," he explains. "That's the scary part. The registry was touted as a public safety program. The problem is, the registry does nothing to improve anyone's safety and it has cost the Canadian public two billion dollars, plus millions per year to maintain. If such a wasteful program was proposed in the private sector, it would have never got off the ground in the first place." During debates on Bill C-391, some police services members told the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security that police were being warned by superiors against speaking publicly against the registry. Meanwhile, Kuntz's fellow officers have cautioned him that his stance is likely to have a career-limiting effect. During his 22 years as a police officer, he has worked in the Intelligence Analysis Unit, Cold Case Homicide, Integrated Intelligence Unit with EPS and RCMP, Criminal Investigation Section, Driver Training, and he has been acting Detective/Sergeant. "I have had an excellent career thus far in the rank of Constable," he says. "I made it clear to our Human Resources recently that I would not be participating in any future promotion processes. Some things are more important than my personal ambitions. This is one of them. It is something that affects all Canadians as it is our money funding this wasteful program." He also provides some sage advice for new recruits: "If you rely on a computer database for your safety, you are an idiot. Learn to investigate using your observation and communication skills. We were pretty successful in doing that for 100 years prior to the registry." - -30- The CSSA is the voice of the sport shooter and firearms enthusiast in Canada. Our national membership supports and promotes traditional target shooting competition, modern action shooting sports, hunting, and archery. We support and sponsor competitions and youth programs that promote these Canadian heritage activities. For further information, contact: Tony Bernardo 905-571-2150 Larry Whitmore 519-254-7744 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:10:57 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Sniper in Afghan town puts marines on edge"-Wall Street Journal A higher level of training is an indication of a more formally trained soldier. So which country trained him? Not stated are the calibre and ammunition being used by the Taliban sniper. As the Iraq conflict ended up hostile to Al-Queda, the preponderance of their resources and personnel have only Afghanistan left to try to engage Western forces. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703824304575435403980423346.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:47:27 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Mexico under siege"-Wall Street Journal Mexico under siege. Decades of restrictive gun control have protected Mexico's elite from a populist uprising or a second Zapatista Revolution. Protected, that political corruption has also allowed organized crime to infiltrate state institutions. Formerly, that applied to only a few main areas of the country. The population, which includes even the industrial business elite, don't like it but are helpless to resist. Parts of the police and the army have become a shadow political power, a power unto themselves. ("Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely. -Lord Acton) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704557704575437762646209270.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r1:c0.0645092:b36632710 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:39:27 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: floods in Pakistan *NFR* I said this yesterday: pakistan is asking the Us for more money to fight the Taliban while giving the Taliban money to buy arms and equipment so that Pakistan can say we need MORE money to fight the Taliban.. Its a game the US Taxpayers are paying for and Pakistanis are paying with their lives. ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trigger Mortis" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: floods in Pakistan *NFR* >I hear that Canada is sending $33,000,000 to Pakistan to assist relief for > flood victims. > > If we save enough of them, they can get back to work providing assistance > to the Taliban in Afghanistan and Al Qeuaueueuda. I need not remind the > readers of this forum that Pakistan has provided weapons, shelter, etc. > to jihadistas who are killing Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan. > > So, I would like to donate 1 cent of my money. I would like a receipt > mailed to me and I would like a full written account of how they spend my > money. > > Alan Harper > > alan__harper@hotmail.com > > SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM > > ************************* > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:54:22 -0600 (MDT) From: birch_as_in_tree@telus.net Subject: Turbans Mred I bow to you superior knowledge on Jewish food laws (how did we get onto that?) and all things pertaining to the Sihk religion. However, I would like clarification on one point ..... Since the days of the British Raj, when the Sihks remained loyal to the British during the Indian Mutiny, bearded and turbaned Sihks have been welcomed at all social levels. They have remained loyal allies in many other conflicts ever since , including WWI and WWII. As I said earlier, it is deemed proper for a bearded, turbaned Sihk to be presented to the Queen. So how is it an offence for a Sihk veteran to wear one in a Legion mess? We keep hearing rants from veterans about our rights and freedoms being infringed upon, to include gun laws. What about religious freedom? We have a much decorated Sihk gentleman at our local Legion branch and I'm proud to march with him. No one is adverse to his presence in the mess. And we're a bunch of small town red necks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:53:28 -0400 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: "Between A Rock & A Hard Place" Ha! I appreciate the wish but the odds are better that the liberals will reverse their opinion on gun control. I just have fun, enjoy the competition and hope not to embarrass myself to much. Since most of the other competitors are 20 to 40 years younger than I am I cut myself a lot of slack regarding my relative performance. I'm just glad I can still do it at all. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well Good Luck, anyways. Enjoy your day and have fun - with a better than normal score. CFD Mod- DRGJ _ _ _ _ > From: tonykatz@hotmail.com > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: RE: "Between A Rock & A Hard Place" > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:22:00 -0400 > > What? You can still stand on your head! > > I know I would hurt myself if I tried that. > > Got to stay healthy for next week as I will be shooting the National > Service Conditions Matches at Connaught ranges here in Ottawa. > > It's a fun shoot and a great warmup for those military members who are > shooting CfSAC this year as that starts immeadiately after the NSCC > concludes. If you have a few days to spare and can make it to Ottawa next > week or even if you cant check out the DCRA website for all the info; > http://dcra.ca/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Tony; > > Good Luck next week in the National Service Conditions Matches at > Connaught ranges out there in Ottawa. > > Let's hope for you winning some nice shiny metal for your efforts, skills > and luck! Go get'em! > > - CFD Mod- DRGJ > _ _ _ _ _ > > > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:16:14 -0600 > > From: birch_as_in_tree@telus.net > > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > > Subject: "Between A Rock & A Hard Place" > > > > Mike > > > > Your Kershaw multi-tool is more handy than you know ..... even for > > self-surgery. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:11:22 -0400 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: 92% of Police say Scrap the Registry All very nice and no doubt true, but how much play will the media give this? Will he get any inteviews from the national media? I doubt it' just farts in the wind. > From: l.whitmore@cdnshootingsports.org > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: 92% of Police say Scrap the Registry > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:00:50 -0400 > > Officer's survey finds 92% of police want gun registry scrapped > > Veteran police officer says database is dangerous for cops to use > > Vaughan ON - August 19, 2010 - A national survey conducted by an Edmonton > police officer reveals that 92 percent of police officers in Canada want > Members of Parliament to vote in favour of scrapping the long-gun > registry in September. > > Constable Randy Kuntz, a 22-year veteran with Edmonton Police Services > (EPS), says the survey he conducted last year should be embraced by M.P.s > when they vote on Bill C-391 that advocates dispatching the registry. > Kuntz, an Exemplary Service Medal recipient, hopes to expose the grave > mistake that the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) is > making by supporting the registry. > > "The CACP is not some mindless group of misguided men and women who > strive to oppress," says Kuntz. "There are many things they do very well > as a unit. They simply have this one matter very wrong. The idea that the > firearms registry is necessary and useful is wrong. They claim that they > speak for all police officers on this matter. I think I have shown that > they don't." > > Kuntz used a popular police magazine to query officers across Canada if > they supported the registry as a useful working tool. While he is first > to admit the survey is not scientific, he believes it closely reflects > the current climate among his fellow officers. > > He expected a couple of hundred replies, but of the 2,631 officers who > responded from every province and territory, 2,410 said the registry is > useless as a crime fighting tool and many believe it poses a danger to > police. > > "The firearms database shows registered firearms and their owners," > explains Kuntz. "No telling where those firearms are actually located, it > just shows the law abiding citizen who owns legal firearms. There is > nothing that says the firearms have to be in the possession of the person > to whom they are registered. I can loan a firearm to anyone who possesses > a valid license for that type of firearm. > > "A person can have a valid possession/acquisition license, but not have > any registered firearms in his name," he adds. "So, no firearms are on > the database associated to his address. But, he can borrow a firearm and > have it in his possession. What good is the registry, then? > > In the above example, the police officer checks the person and sees he > has no firearms registered to him - so does the policeman think there > are no firearms? Probably. It's a huge mistake on the police officer's > part, relying on a database for your safety. It's ridiculous." > > Kuntz conducted the survey on his own because he was very concerned that > officers could be killed if they relied on the registry data. He also > believes the CACP is misrepresenting the facts by continually claiming > that a massive majority of police officers support the registry. There > is often a gulf between management and employee interests in any > organization and police work is no different. > > "The CACP tells the public that it is a necessary tool for law > enforcement," says Kuntz. "It is not. It just gives the perception of > that. It was pretty overwhelming that those who responded (to the survey) > were against the registry. Most of the respondents were constables and > sergeants/detectives - guys and gals with their boots on the pavement, so > to speak. They're the cops that the public meets and deals with on a > daily basis. I respect Chief Rick Hanson of Calgary Police Services. He > took a stand against the CACP's position on the registry. It takes a lot > of guts to face others of equal rank and say, 'you are wrong.'" > > While Kuntz suspects the CACP isn't deliberately trying to deceive the > public, he hopes his survey results will send the chiefs and M.P.s an > important message. M.P.s are voting on September 22 on an opposition-led > motion that is poised to kill Bill C-391 even before it gets to the 3rd > reading stage. Many pundits predict that the vote could be very close. > > "I believe that the CACP believes they are looking out for us," he > explains. "That's the scary part. The registry was touted as a public > safety program. The problem is, the registry does nothing to improve > anyone's safety and it has cost the Canadian public two billion dollars, > plus millions per year to maintain. If such a wasteful program was > proposed in the private sector, it would have never got off the ground in > the first place." > > During debates on Bill C-391, some police services members told the > Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security that police > were being warned by superiors against speaking publicly against the > registry. > > Meanwhile, Kuntz's fellow officers have cautioned him that his stance is > likely to have a career-limiting effect. During his 22 years as a police > officer, he has worked in the Intelligence Analysis Unit, Cold Case > Homicide, Integrated Intelligence Unit with EPS and RCMP, Criminal > Investigation Section, Driver Training, and he has been acting > Detective/Sergeant. > > "I have had an excellent career thus far in the rank of Constable," he > says. "I made it clear to our Human Resources recently that I would not > be participating in any future promotion processes. Some things are more > important than my personal ambitions. This is one of them. It is > something that affects all Canadians as it is our money funding this > wasteful program." > > He also provides some sage advice for new recruits: "If you rely on a > computer database for your safety, you are an idiot. Learn to investigate > using your observation and communication skills. We were pretty > successful in doing that for 100 years prior to the registry." > > -30- > > The CSSA is the voice of the sport shooter and firearms enthusiast in > Canada. Our national membership supports and promotes traditional target > shooting competition, modern action shooting sports, hunting, and > archery. > > We support and sponsor competitions and youth programs that promote these > Canadian heritage activities. > > > For further information, contact: > > Tony Bernardo > 905-571-2150 > > Larry Whitmore > 519-254-7744 > ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V13 #998 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)