Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, August 26 2010 Volume 14 : Number 013 In this issue: Emergency-room doctors urge MPs to keep long-gun registry (sent) Re: SECU C-391 Committee Testimony - May 4th [Coles Notes version] Slain OPP officer fired a shot - The Toronto Sun "HISTORY SHOWS THE LIBERAL WAY OF THINKING HASN'T CHANGED..." An Interesting read... RCMP have new tool Re: Peer reviewed articles in medical jounals ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:47:07 -0400 From: "Barry Glasgow" Subject: Emergency-room doctors urge MPs to keep long-gun registry (sent) From: Barry Glasgow Sent: August-26-10 12:48 PM To: AB Calgary Herald; AB Calgary Sun; AB Edmonton Sun; AB Edmonton Journal; AB Grande Prairie Herald-Tribune; Barry Glasgow; BC Merrit Herald; BC 100Mile Free-Press; BC Abbotsford News; BC Aldergrove Star; BC Burnaby News Leader; BC Burnaby Now; BC Campell River Mirror; BC Castlegar News; BC Chilliwack Progress; BC Cloverdale Reporter; BC Commox Valley Record; BC Cowichan News Leader; BC Creston Valley Advance; BC Kamloops Daily News; BC Kelowna Capital News; BC North-Thompson Star-Journal; BC Omineca Free Press; BC Prince George Free Press; BC Quesnel Observer; BC Salmon Arm Observer; BC Smithers Interior News; BC Squamish Chief; BC Terrace Standard; BC Thompson Times; BC Vancouver Province; BC Vancouver Sun; BC Vernon Morning Star; BC Williams Lake Tribune; Dan Gardner; Lorne Gunter; National Post; National CTV News; NB Fredericton Daily Gleaner; NB Moncton Times & Transcript; NB St.John Telegraph-Journal; NF St.Johns Telegram; NS Cape Breton Cape Breton Post; NS Halifax Chronicle-Herald; NS Halifax Daily-News; ON Kingston Whig-Standard; ON Brockville Recorder & Times; ON Toronto Globe and Mail; ON Woodstock Sentinel-Review; ON Ottawa Metro; ON Ottawa Dose; ON Hamilton Spectator; ON Hill Times; ON London London FreePress; ON Ottawa Ottawa Citizen; ON Ottawa Sun; ON Sault Star; ON Sudbury Star; ON Toronto Sun; ON Toronto Star; ON Windsor Star; QC Montreal Gazette; QC Sherbrooke Record; SK Regina Leader-Post; SK Saskatoon Star-Phoenix; Western Standard; Winnipeg Free Press; Winnipeg Sun Cc: editorial@thecanadianpress.com; committees@caep.ca; vklein@caep.ca; cjem@caep.ca Subject: Physicians join Police Chiefs in gun registry fraud The Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians has joined the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police public misinformation campaign to save an ineffective and costly gun registry. Public affairs chairperson, Dr. Carolyn Snider, has issued a news release claiming that the registry is "not just a crime issue", that three-quarters of the firearm deaths in Canada are suicides and that "firearm suicides have decreased significantly since the Firearms Act was implemented''. As with the Chiefs of Police, her arguments are intellectually dishonest. While suicides with guns started to decline long before the registry was enacted, suicides by hanging have increased more sharply than gun deaths have declined. From 1991 to 2003, gun suicides declined by 491 while hangings increased by 628. This is hardly a success story. Dr. Snider believes that the registry "helps us to assess the patient’s safety plan and to ensure that these impulsive potential methods of injury or death are removed.'' Absolute nonsense! Short of putting people in padded rooms there is nothing to prevent anyone from killing themselves. The only thing that can keep people from jumping off roofs or hanging, gassing and poisoning themselves are programs that address the real causes of suicide and this costs money - money that is being wasted on ineffectively tracking millions of firearms. Physicians should be results oriented not politically oriented. ====================== Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario Suicide in Canada by guns and hanging (other methods relatively stable) 1991: all – 3595 guns – 1110 hanging - 1034 1992: all – 3704 guns – 1050 hanging - 1151 1993: all – 3803 guns – 1054 hanging - 1234 1994: all – 3746 guns – 975 hanging - 1270 1995: all – 3968 guns – 916 hanging - 1382 1996: all – 3937 guns – 883 hanging - 1414 1997: all – 3677 guns – 818 hanging - 1409 1998: all – 3698 guns – 818 hanging - 1434 1999: all – 4073 guns – 807 hanging - 1755 2000: all – 3605 guns – 685 hanging - 1546 2001: all – 3688 guns – 651 hanging - 1509 2002: all – 3650 guns – ??? hanging - ???? 2003: all – 3765 guns – 619 hanging- 1662 - -491 +628 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: SECU C-391 Committee Testimony - May 4th [Coles Notes version] - --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Lee Jasper wrote: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4497859&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=40&Ses=3#Int-3140301 > Cheliak testified: > In actuality, many firearms recovered by police at crime scenes turn out > to be registered Standard police semantic legerdemain: guns "found" at crime scenes, or guns "used" in a crime? > and the CFP has > assisted in > solving a number of crimes by tracing a firearm to a > registered owner. What "crimes", exactly? Unsafe storage "crimes" against the owner or "allowing" his guns to get stolen? > In 2009, of the 4,000-plus crime-related firearms traced to an owner by > the Canadian firearms program, approximately 1,600 were registered > non-restricted firearms, 1,100 were prohibited, and 881 > were restricted. Again with the "crime related"... I smell more legerdemain at work here: 1,600 "registered non-restricted" firearms, but were the "prohibited" and "restricted" firearms "registered" too? > Cheliak: > The 2008 statistics come from the commissioner's annual firearms report, > tabled earlier this year. Of those 3.4 million queries per > year, 2.3 million were specifically related to persons queries; > 941,000 were related to address queries, which cannot be done on CPIC > but are direct CFRO queries; 74,000 were done on firearms serial numbers; > and on and on, down the list. So the 2.35 million could be a very > objective number, or unobjective number, subject to why the query was > made. > At times there is an auto-link query, when a person's query is done, with > CPIC, to query the individual to determine if they have a licence > and firearms registered to them. All of the address queries—almost one > million a year in 2008—were specific to addresses, that is, to ascertain if there were firearms in a residence. > > When we go back to the 2.3 million queries per year, we have to remember > that there were 66 million CPIC queries on persons in 2008 as well. So > when we say every CPIC query generates a CFRO query, that's not the case. Well, that doesn't mean that many, if not most, queries are in fact automatically generated. I don't know exactly where he's getting his info from about address requests - does this mean that cops in cars have direct access to the CFRO? This also seems to contradict what the RCMP annual report(s) used to say on their webstie: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/archives/quick_facts/2007/2007-03-eng.htm NOTE: The Canadian Firearms Registry Online service provides police officers access to firearms licence and registration information in the Canadian Firearms Information System through the Canadian Police Information Centre. This information helps the police to intervene and respond to calls effectively in order to prevent injury and crime, assists in the investigation of firearm-related crimes and helps the police to identify and return stolen and lost firearms to their rightful owners. ****Toronto Police Services auto-query on address*** and British Columbia Police Services auto-query on name. This may have been changed, but if anything, I'd bet that these auto-queries have been *expanded*, not restricted...indeed, Garry B. sussed out that 50% of all CFRO queries done by the RCMP are auto-queries: ATI PAGE 000272- E-MAIL #5 DATED DECEMBER 1, 2004 - TO KEN McCARTHY, REGISTRAR OF FIREARMS "ET AL" FROM GINA NJOLSTAD-LALONDE, PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, STATISTICS AND ANALYSIS: "For many provinces, approx. 50% of the queries against the CFRO (by RCMP only) do come through the Computerized Integrated Dispatch System (CIIDS) as this query is set as a default in CIDS. According to Jean-Paul St. Pierre, any police department using an interface to CPIC can have their system automatically queried against CFRO. According to both Jean-Paul and Mike Lavigne of the RCMP, there is no way to tell which agencies or how many queries." And they have plans to *increase* the number of departments "making use" of the CFRO through more auto-queries: https://www.cacp.ca/media/news/download/965/FirearmsEng.pdf CACP -ACCP - SPECIAL PURPOSE SUBCOMMITTEE ON FIREARMS FRAMEWORK - NATIONAL FIREARMS POLICING STRATEGY - SUMMER 2010 Page 4 PRIORITIES: Increased utilization of CFRO tool ACTIONS: Ensure autoquery of CFRO is established by all police services (possible specific resolution) RESPONSIBILITY: CACP Subcommittee and Police Chiefs TIME LINE: By Summer 2011 _ _ _ _ So, while Cheliak may be telling some of the truth, he was by no means being forthright about the whole truth... Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, August 26, 2010 12:19 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Slain OPP officer fired a shot - The Toronto Sun TORONTO SUN - AUGUST 26, 2010 Slain OPP officer fired a shot Revenge rampage ended Pham's life By JONATHAN SHER, QMI Agency http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/08/26/15145106.html LONDON, Ont. - Fred Preston was seeking revenge after his wife left him when he opened fire on provincial police, killing one officer and shooting at the slain officer's partner before being felled by six bullets. A vengeful 70-year-old Preston drove to the home of his wife's sister before he was pulled over in northern Huron County by a 15-year police veteran whose life, until then, had been one of overcoming obstacles. Provincial police Const. Vu Pham survived war in Vietnam, a refugee camp in Malaysia, and a long boat trip to leave that troubled region, but only lasted moments in his encounter with Preston. A report from Ontario's Special Investigations Unit, released Wednesday, describes Preston's rampage and differs somewhat from accounts given by OPP sources after Pham was killed March 8. While OPP sources said Pham never fired a shot, SIU concluded he fired "a split second" after Preston fired a hunting rifle -- but missed. The SIU doesn't know if Pham intentionally fired his gun or squeezed the trigger as a reflex after being hit. An SIU spokesperson wasn't sure on what basis investigators found Preston fired first. The SIU also found Preston was shot six times -- not twice as reported earlier -- before he was overcome. More than 5,000 police from across Canada travelled to Pham's funeral in a Wingham community centre where his wife urged others to forgive Preston and her three children bid farewell to their dad. "You're the best dad in the world," seven-year-old Josh said then. "I wish you were here with us today. The SIU cleared Pham's partner -- officials haven't disclosed his name but The Free Press has learned it was Const. Dell Mercey. Mercey had to shoot Preston or risk being killed himself, the SIU found. "He had reasonable grounds to believe he had no choice but to continue shooting at Mr. Preston until he no longer represented a threat," said SIU director Ian Scott. A media release by SIU provided details not previously disclosed and, along with previous statements by police and family members, paints a chilling chronology: Preston drove to the farm of his sister-in-law seeking revenge, then phoned his daughter, who called 911. Pham and Mercey were sent to the home on North Line Road near Wingham, found it empty, then left to patrol the area, Pham to the north, his partner to the south. At about 10:12 a.m. Pham saw a white pickup driven by Preston travelling north, radioed his location, requested his partner and signalled for Preston to pull over. Preston pulled over and Pham parked 2.5 metres behind the truck. By then Mercey had turned around his cruiser and was approaching, but as he pulled up he saw Pham and Preston get out of their vehicles, the 70-year-old man carrying a hunting rifle. Preston walked behind his truck, pointed the rifle at Pham and shot at him. Pham managed to take out his handgun and it went off a split second before he was felled by a shot to the head that took his life. Mercey radioed the shooting, put his cruiser in reverse and backed up 35 metres and got out. Preston fired at least twice, missing, as he walked towards Mercey, the officer taking out his gun and taking cover between his cruiser and the side of the road. Mercey fired many times as Preston got closer. The officer backed up across the road. Mercey yelled at Preston to drop his rifle and almost slipped on the asphalt as Preston shot again and sought cover. Mercey fired another five shots and avoided being hit. Soon other officers arrived and found Preston lying on the side of the road; he had been shot six times but was still awake and aware. Beside him was a Browning 30-06 rifle with .270 calibre ammunition, a weapon used to hunt big game such as deer and moose. Preston died in a London hospital three days later. "The subject officer had witnessed the gratuitous killing of a fellow police officer and the same assailant shooting at him," Scott said in a media release Wednesday. "There was simply nowhere he could go to find protection from potentially imminent death or grievous harm." That finding was applauded by the heads of OPP and the provincial police association -- but the association head remained angry the investigation took more than five months. "It's about bloody time," said association president President Karl Walsh, who has past run-ins with the SIU over what officer can do if he or she is the subject of an investigation. "I wish the release had an apology for the delay." OPP Commissioner Chris Lewis spoke with Mercey after the finding. "Everybody looks up to him. He's as solid an officer as we have," he said. "I'm glad the investigation is finally over so he can move forward with his life and his career." The SIU probes incidents in which civilians are hurt or killed during interactions with police, a role that's caused friction with police. jonathan.sher@sunmedia.ca Letters to the Editors torsun.editor@sunmedia.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, August 26, 2010 12:26 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: "HISTORY SHOWS THE LIBERAL WAY OF THINKING HASN'T CHANGED..." Cc: "OUTDOORS CAUCUS ASSOCIATION" Subject: "FW: HISTORY SHOWS THE LIBERAL WAY OF THINKING HASN'T CHANGED by Murray J. Martin" Forwarded with permission of the author - ----- Original Message ----- From: Canadian Outdoor Specialists-Murray & Lisa Martin Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: Political Opinion WHITEHORSE STAR   POLITICAL OPINION   HISTORY SHOWS THE LIBERAL WAY OF THINKING HASN'T CHANGED by Murray J. Martin   The Liberal way of thinking has not changed since the Trudeau days and for some reason Liberal parties leaders since the early 70's have shown a very visible distrust of law abiding and legal owners of firearms. Moving back even further into history of the mid 1930s when the German dictator Adolph Hitler also showed a distrust in the free law abiding Germans when he also introduced the gun registry and a few years later moved his police force into the homes of Germans and seized all the registered firearms. History of Liberal Gun Registry In December 1971, a Liberal back bencher made the following statement to the press: " a store has set out guns in the window as possible Christmas gifts". "The easy availability of death- dealing weapons in Canada has become a scandal." "There must be amendments to the criminal Code to make it harder to get guns and ammunition." Then he proposed  that " All firearms should be through government stores operated by  a Gun Control Agency. There should be an interval of two or three weeks between an application to purchase the sale. He went on to propose that a Public notice should be given of such applicant. Any citizen could file a an objection. Applicants for gun permits must pass tests indicating they know how to handle a weapon and the laws governing their use. Each permit holder must file an annual report indicating the condition  and state of the weapon. No permit holder should be allowed to sell, trade or give away his weapon. Once it is no longer required, it should be turned in. Nobody but police officers should have or be allowed to have or use a hand-weapon, shorter rifles, or machine guns. This was all taken from Ottawa Citizen News paper from December 21, 1972. What seems a travesty is that the back bencher of that day who made that statement, a couple years  later when the Liberals came to power, was made  Canada's Solicitor General. At the time when he was a back bencher, few gave his irrational statements a second thought. Later he was put into a  top government position to push his former private members bill through as legislation and today, law abiding, legal firearm Canadians are in the same position as the honest law abiding and trusting German were, when Adolf Hitler came into power. Those of us in our seventy plus years know the disaster of that German Dictatorship. If History Repeats itself If history repeats itself, as it often does, then not only honest, law abiding Canadian firearm owners have reason to distrust such a governmental body, all Canadians should also be very doubtful of the true intentions of a governmental political body that cannot trust law abiding citizens. Becoming priminister of a country is only one political body. It should also be pointed out that the liberals of that day also suggested that all firearms be keep in an armouries outside of any community. It all proves that a government that fears law abiding citizens, should be feared in turn by law abiding citizens. Liberal Leadership Using Legal Gun Owners as Scrape Goats It is absolutely clear that Ignatieff and his whipped followers are using legal, law abiding firearm owners as escape goats that they find traditionally convenient to blame the rising crime rate on rather than to actually deal with the social economic cause of crime in Canada. This includes the outright failure of the Canadian penal system, the lack of sufficient police numbers, the equipment to fight real crime, and a mounting number of street crime that results in a moral and spiritual fall out of our modern society as well as the permissive attitudes that prevail in today's society. Criminal Element Laughing The criminal element is laughing while police authorities are busy tracing  down legal, law abiding firearm owners. Billions of tax dollars are being wasted on a non effective crime reducing proceedures rather than to go after the real commit crimes and kill people. The only person being effected by the registry are legal hunters, farmers and target shooters. The Liberal Gun Registry in no way is effecting the hard nose illegal criminal that is using unregistered firearms. It is clear that the Liberal backed gun registry has one purpose only and that is to eventually eliminate all legal shooting sports and to remove legal firearms from honest law abiding citizens of Canada. DOES YOUR REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENT YOU OR A DICTATORSHIP? The Liberal long gun registry has a very questionable aim since its beginning back in the early seventies. Each Leader since Trudeau days has been bent on attacking legal firearm owners and the reasons must be questioned. If the attack of the Liberals is on law abiding people, is the history of a liberal government related to the history of the early  thirties of Germany? Each liberal leader up to the present Ignatieff, is bent to keep the registry that effects the law abiding rather than the criminal element.   If you presently live in a Liberal politically held constituency, where their leader has demanded they vote the way he tells them, and you sit back and assume that your liberal elected representative will listen to you and represent your feelings to his or her leadership, you have been grossly fooled by your trust.   If I remember my history correctly, I believe it was Winston Churchill that said; quote; "Dictatorship- a fetish worship of one man- is a passing phase. A state of society where men may not speak their minds, where children denounce their parents to the police... such a state cannot long endure." unquote. You will find those words in Blood, Sweat and Tears. by Winston Churchill.   Murray J. Martin is the Outdoor Columnist Whitehorse Star, Whitehorse Yukon.         ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:46:07 -0400 From: Bill Subject: An Interesting read... The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police is of the firm opinion that a Canadian Charter of rights and freedoms enshrined in a constitution is neither necessary nor desirable" Brief: Concerning the proposed Resolution Respecting the Constitution of Canada http://www.ualberta.ca/~clement2/cacp.pdf Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:55:48 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: RCMP have new tool Their tracking system is improving. Folks, wear your "yellow stars" with pride. "This becomes the clue that the investigator needs to begin the process and hopefully allows us to identify the people we are really targeting. http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/todays-paper/RCMP+have+tool/3444511/story.html RCMP have new tool The StarPheonix - Saskatchewan News Network August 26, 2010 The RCMP now has eyes on the back of some of its cars. With $50,000 in funding from Saskatchewan Government Insurance, RCMP have outfitted two cars with automatic licence plate recognition (ALPR) systems. The ALPR equipment sits on the roof of the cruiser beneath the emergency lights. Four cameras automatically take images of licence plates in all directions. The information is fed to an on-board computer that can read the alpha-numerical licence plates and indicate if there are any potential concerns with the vehicle or its driver. "What it allows us to do is take much of the guesswork out of much of the enforcement we're trying to do, particularly about high-risk drivers" said Insp. Andy Landers, the head of F Division traffic services. "They don't drive around with a big flag saying, 'This is who you should be looking for.' "This becomes the clue that the investigator needs to begin the process and hopefully allows us to identify the people we are really targeting." SGI previously provided funding for municipal police vehicles in Regina, Prince Albert and Estevan to install the technology. Funding is also to go to Saskatoon and Moose Jaw. The RCMP estimates the cameras can check as many licence plates in one hour that would normally require 900 hours if members were checking them individually. Officers can then see if the vehicle is registered or stolen, or if the person it is registered to has a suspended licence. "I'm not naive enough to think that all suspended drivers are sitting at home just because we told them not to," said Landers, who noted there are 46,000 suspended drivers in Saskatchewan. Landers acknowledged officers may end up pulling over some drivers who just happen to be driving a vehicle registered to someone with a suspended licence. But he said officers should be able to sort that out quickly and let the person be on their way. The two cruisers outfitted with ALPR systems are likely to be stationed in Yorkton and North Battleford, but will be used throughout the province as necessary. E-mail your letter to; citydesk@sp.canwest.com or; Letters To The Editor Letter Submissions form; http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/letters/letters-to-the-editor.html © Copyright (c) The StarPhoenix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:06:08 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Peer reviewed articles in medical jounals At 09:13 AM 8/26/2010 -0400, you wrote: > The main conclusions of more than 30 articles published in peer-reviewed >>> journals, including the New England Journal of Medicine in the U.S. and >>> The Lancet in Britain, were overwhelmingly positive. For instance, >>> addicts who used Insite were found to be more likely to go into detox >>> than those who didn't. > >The then editor of The New England Jounal of Medicine, Jerome Kassirer, >who published the bogus Kellermann study was a rabid anti-firearms >proponent. > >The editor of the Canadian Medical Post who published the study in which >the writer, Tom Gabor, fished $6 billion out of thin air as the annual >cost of firearms injuries to the Canadian taxpayer, was also a proclaimed >anti-gun person. Mr. Gabor misrepresented the conclusions and statments on firearms research in a literature review done for the Canadian Department of Justice. This was pointed out by Gary Kleck in "Targeting Guns, Firearms and Their Control". Mr. Gabor was never called to account for this faux pas. Bottom line, Mr. Gabor has been caught deliberately cooking the information once - his comments and conclusions are now suspect and not reliable. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #13 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)