Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, September 29 2010 Volume 14 : Number 104 In this issue: Re: "Ontario Superior Court-strikes down prostitution law" Re: Men convicted in Mountie slayings lose appeal Re: Re:"Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes ........ Re: Tracking of 'old' firearm purchases Long on politics, short on common sense by Vic Toews CBC - More crimes going unreported: StatsCan Re: "Ontario Superior Court-strikes down prostitution law" Re: Re:"Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes ........ Re: Tracking of 'old' firearm purchases Distrust in U.S. Media Edges Up to Record High *NFR* Faulty registry suits Harper ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:21:39 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: "Ontario Superior Court-strikes down prostitution law" It might be worth a shot~! NOW? if all working RFC members donate the price of a box of shells and/or a case of beer we would have the resources to hire a dozen like him. COUNT ME IN~! ed/on - --------------- Original Message ---------------- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:18 PM Subject: "Ontario Superior Court-strikes down prostitution law" [Excerpt] > Subject: "Ontario Superior Court judge strikes down prostitution law" > [Excerpt] > > [Note to Eduardo; hire this gunslinger. A law prof looking for a cause] > > Ontario Superior Court judge strikes down prostitution law > > Kirk Makin Globe and Mail Update > Published Tuesday, Sep. 28, 2010 1:12PM EDT > Last updated Tuesday, Sep. 28, 2010 5:47PM EDT > >> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario/ontario-superior-court-judge-strikes-down-prostitution-law/article1730433/ > > In a landmark decision striking down the core of the controversial law, > Ontario Superior Court Judge Susan Himel said that the law forces women > to operate their business furtively in an atmosphere of constant secrecy > and danger. > > “We got everything,” the lawyer behind the challenge, Alan Young, yelped > as he read the concluding portions of the decision. “We did it!” > > Mr. Young said that the judge refused to suspend the effect of her > decision while the government moves to fill the legislative gap. > > “It takes effect right now,” he told reporters at Toronto's downtown > courthouse. > -- > > Alan N. Young > >> http://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/faculty/Young_Alan_N.html > > Research > Associate Professor > > BA (York), LLB (Osgoode), LLM (Harvard), of the Bar of Ontario > > E-mail:ayoung@osgoode.yorku.ca > Tel: 416-736-5595 > Fax: 416-736-5736 > Office: ROSS-S828 > > Assistant: Miriam Spevack, Office ROSS-S805A > mspevack@osgoode.yorku.ca > > > Alan Young is Co-Founder and Director of Osgoode’s Innocence Project, > which involves LLB students in the investigation of suspected cases of > wrongful conviction and imprisonment. He also maintains a small > practice specializing in criminal law and procedure that is primarily > devoted to challenging state authority to criminalize consensual > activity. He has brought constitutional challenges to our gambling, > obscenity, bawdy-house and drug laws and for more than a decade has > provided free legal services for people whose alternative lifestyles > have brought them into conflict with the law. > > In 1995 he successfully challenged the “drug literature prohibition” in > our Criminal Code on the basis that it violated freedom of expression. In > 1998 he acted as counsel for the infamous “bondage bungalow” dominatrix. > Between 1998 & 2000 he played an integral part in compelling the federal > government to take action to recognize the medicinal value of marijuana. > > He has represented countless numbers of people suffering from AIDS, > cancer and multiple sclerosis who had been charged as a result of using > marijuana for medicinal purposes. > > In addition to his work in the area of consensual crime, Professor Young > has also provided free legal services to victims of violent crime and to > individuals attempting to sue the government for malicious prosecution. > > He is the author of Justice Defiled: Perverts, Potheads, Serial Killers > and Lawyers (Toronto: Key Porter, 2003). > > Areas of interest: Clinical Education, Criminal Law > > -- > >> http://prostitution.procon.org/view.source.php?sourceID=003632 > > Name: Alan Young, LLB, LLM > Title: Associate Professor of Law at Osgoode Hall Law School of York > University > Position: Pro to the question "Should prostitution be legal?" > > > Reasoning: > > "Sex trade workers have had an enormous fall from grace from the sacred > temple harlots of ancient times to the marginalized outcasts exposed to > all manner of violence, abuse and ridicule of today.... > > Every time a prostitute is arrested, two more take her place. There's a > bottomless market for their services. I'm sure some cops, lawyers and > judges sometimes enter this market, but they can never admit it because > it would undercut their authority to arrest, prosecute and punish those > who gave them release the day before. > > Whether one pays to participate in an orgy or to hire the services of a > prostitute, I see no reason to bring in the heavy guns of the criminal > law. When it comes to sex, I see only one legal rule of any real > importance: for sex to be lawful there only needs to be consent, and it > should not matter whether consent is secured by direct payment or weeks > of expensive courtship with fine dining and false promises." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:48:07 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Men convicted in Mountie slayings lose appeal IT WAS A RAILROAD JOB TO PROVIDE A LESSON TO GUN-OWNERS NOT TO HELP THEIR FRIENDS..ED/ON - ----------- Original Message ------------ From: <10x@telus.net> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Men convicted in Mountie slayings lose appeal > At 11:15 AM 9/28/2010 -0600, you wrote: > >http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/convicted+Mountie+slayings+lose+appeal/3588938/story.html >> >>Men convicted in Mountie slayings lose appeal >> >>By Alexandra Zabjek, Postmedia News >>September 28, 2010 >> >>Their families contend they were the closest thing possible to innocent >>bystanders in the massacre. >> >>But on Monday, the only two men convicted in the 2005 shooting deaths of >>four Mounties near Mayerthorpe, Alta., were told they had lost their bid >>for shorter prison sentences. > > > Meanwhile the man who sold an illegally held gun to Emrah Bulatci who > later > used to kill an RCMP officer acting in the line of duty is still free. > Emrah Bulatci went to this individuals residence seeking assistance and > was ignored. > > Later on (January 31)our friend the illegal gun salesman was arrested for > firing shots at someone in an Urban area. No jail for that either. > > Methinks that justice has been corrupted here. One RCMP officers life is > not worth the same as anothers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:49:30 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Re:"Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes ........ - ----- Original Message ----- From: <10x@telus.net> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:15 PM Subject: Re:"Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes the 'despised'Toronto..." > At 07:49 AM 9/28/2010 -0400, you wrote: > >>Subject: "Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes the 'despised' Toronto urban >>elite" >> >>Most, if not all university types are far left wing radicals. >>ed/on > > > The really smart ones are right wing. > I am so far left that I appear to be on the right.... I am still trying to legitimize THAT statement ?LOL ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:57:06 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Tracking of 'old' firearm purchases - ----- Original Message ----- From: <10x@telus.net> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:04 AM Subject: Re: Tracking of 'old' firearm purchases > At 02:40 PM 9/28/2010 -0700, you wrote: > >>--- On Tue, 9/28/10, 10x@telus.net <10x@telus.net> wrote: >> >>> Their questions were usually to the effect of who in the community >>> would be likely to currently possess these guns and if I would be >>> kind enough to help them in their investigation. >> >>I trust you told them to "pound salt"... > > My truthful and accurate comment was " I have NO idea of what you are > asking and would not even attempt to guess the fate of those guns." same thing only in a nice way :)...ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 7:57 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Long on politics, short on common sense by Vic Toews On Parliament Hill Long on politics, short on common sense Posted on 09/29/2010, 7:44 am, by Vic Toews http://www.mysteinbach.ca/blogs/1618.html I would like to congratulate my colleague, Portage-Lisgar MP Candice Hoeppner for her dedication and hard work on Private Member’s Bill C-391 to scrap the long-gun registry. This is the closest we have come to dismantling the $2 billion wasteful and ineffective long-gun registry, and we will continue to work to scrap it. MP Hoeppner’s Bill should have been welcomed by all Canadians regardless of their postal code, but instead the opposition coalition, made up of Liberal, NDP and Bloc MP’s, made this a battle between rural and urban Canadians. What they failed to recognize is that targeting law-abiding Canadians and wasting taxpayers’ money does not have a rural-urban divide. Our government believes the long-gun registry is both wasteful and ineffective. As our government has said time, and time again, we do not support the wasteful spending of Canadians’ hard-earned tax dollars to target law-abiding hunters, farmers, and sports shooters. The Liberals had a chance to stand up in the House of Commons and show some common sense on this issue. Instead, Michael Ignatieff forced his MPs to vote against the dismantling of the long-gun registry. The NDP claimed ‘a higher form of democracy’ by pretending to allow a free vote and then presented a nonsensical solution designed to pressure MPs to follow their leader. Do they really believe Canadians were fooled? When it comes to Canada’s finances, it is our job as your elected representatives to spend your money wisely. Closing our eyes to the cost of the ineffective and wasteful long-gun registry is irresponsible. Believing the long-gun registry will keep our streets safe by forcing law-abiding citizens to register their firearms is downright naïve. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 8:02 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: CBC - More crimes going unreported: StatsCan CBC NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2010 More crimes going unreported: survey Last Updated: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 | 7:17 PM CT Comments284 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2010/09/28/statscan-victimization-survey.html Newly released crime statistics suggest Canadians have little faith in the justice system and underscore the need for new government measures, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said Tuesday. he statistics, published in Statistics Canada's 2009 General Social Survey on Victimization, suggest Canadians reported 31 per cent of the crimes they experienced to police in 2009 - down from 34 per cent in the previous survey in 2004. The random phone survey collected information from 19,500 respondents living in the 10 provinces. Data from the Northwest Territories, Yukon and Nunavut ill be released later. The drop in reporting to police is "very troubling," and a sign law enforcement should "take the complaints of Canadians more seriously," Toews told CBC's Power & Politics with Evan Solomon. "We see this continuing trend of more and more crimes going unreported, and that . I believe is an indication of a lack of confidence in the justice system," Toews said. "And that is why our government is taking the measures that we are taking." The measures include spending an estimated $2 billion on new prisons, which has drawn the ire of opposition members who have said such an undertaking could cost as much as $9 billion. Canadians feel safe: report Overall, however, the statistics revealed little change in victimization from 2004 to 2009. Ninety-three per cent of the Canadians surveyed said they were either satisfied or very satisfied with their personal safety from crime, similar to 94 per cent in 2004. Liberal MP Mark Holland, the public safety critic, said that particular statistic won't sit well with the Tories. "They must be very disappointed that 93 per cent of Canadians disagree with them and feel that actually they are safe," Holland said on Power & Politics. "And when really they are trying to scaremonger and try to use this as diversion." In both 2004 and 2009, the proportion of Canadians age 15 or older who said they had been victims of crimes in the previous 12 months was 27 per cent. The proportion who reported being victims of violent crime - sexual assault, robbery, physical assault - was unchanged at six per cent, or 1.6 million people over 15 in 2009. When asked about specific situations like walking home at night or waiting for public transportation after dark, Canadians said they felt as safe in 2009 as they had in 2004. The general social survey focuses on eight types of crimes, including: Sexual assault. Robbery. Physical assault. Breaking and entering. Theft of motor vehicles or parts. Theft of household property. Vandalism. Theft of personal property. In July, Statistics Canada released a separate survey looking at a much wider variety of crimes reported to police across the country. It said nearly 2.2 million crimes were reported to police in 2009, about 43,000 fewer than in 2008. - ------------------------------ VANCOUVER SUN - SEPTEMBER 29, 2010 More crimes going unreported: StatsCan BY JANICE TIBBETTS, POSTMEDIA NEWS SEPTEMBER 28, 2010 COMMENTS (126) http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Canadians+victims+crime+StatsCan/3590054/story.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:43:14 -0400 From: Subject: Re: "Ontario Superior Court-strikes down prostitution law" From: "mred" Subject: Re: "Ontario Superior Court-strikes down prostitution law" [Excerpt] Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:21:39 -0400 Count me in too, Ed! If we could get the 3-4 million fence-sitting Firearms Owners to help, we could take back control of our Rights. However, I'm starting to feel like Bruce. Fighting for 15 years, and for what? Constant disappointment and frustration! I'm really tempted to just give up and just sit back, relax and enjoy my remaining years. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > It might be worth a shot~! NOW? if all working RFC members > donate the price of a box of shells and/or a case of beer we would > have the resources to hire a dozen like him . > COUNT ME IN~! > ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:09:11 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Re:"Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes ........ At 08:49 AM 9/29/2010 -0400, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: <10x@telus.net> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:15 PM >Subject: Re:"Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes the 'despised'Toronto..." > >> At 07:49 AM 9/28/2010 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>Subject: "Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes the 'despised' Toronto >>>urban elite" >>> >>>Most, if not all university types are far left wing radicals. >>>ed/on >> >> >> The really smart ones are right wing. >> I am so far left that I appear to be on the right.... > >I am still trying to legitimize THAT statement ?LOL ed/on It is my observation that the extreme right and the extreme left want essentially the same thing. An example is the original Black Panther movement in the U.S. that seemed to have the same goals of racial purity and segregation that the KKK held.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:10:02 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Tracking of 'old' firearm purchases At 08:57 AM 9/29/2010 -0400, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <10x@telus.net> >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:04 AM >Subject: Re: Tracking of 'old' firearm purchases > >> At 02:40 PM 9/28/2010 -0700, you wrote: >> >>>--- On Tue, 9/28/10, 10x@telus.net <10x@telus.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Their questions were usually to the effect of who in the community >>>> would be likely to currently possess these guns and if I would be >>>> kind enough to help them in their investigation. >>> >>>I trust you told them to "pound salt"... >> >> My truthful and accurate comment was " I have NO idea of what you are >> asking and would not even attempt to guess the fate of those guns." > >same thing only in a nice way :)...ed/on Any individual who is NOT polite to a man with a gun is foolish.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:11:11 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Distrust in U.S. Media Edges Up to Record High *NFR* http://www.gallup.com/poll/143267/Distrust-Media-Edges-Record-High.aspx Distrust in U.S. Media Edges Up to Record High Perceptions of liberal bias still far outnumber perceptions of conservative bias by Lymari Morales September 29, 2010 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- For the fourth straight year, the majority of Americans say they have little or no trust in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly. The 57% who now say this is a record high by one percentage point. The 43% of Americans who, in Gallup's annual Governance poll, conducted Sept. 13-16, 2010, express a great deal or fair amount of trust ties the record low, and is far worse than three prior Gallup readings on this measure from the 1970s. Trust in the media is now slightly higher than the record-low trust in the legislative branch but lower than trust in the executive and judicial branches of government, even though trust in all three branches is down sharply this year. These findings also further confirm a separate Gallup poll that found little confidence in newspapers and television specifically. Nearly half of Americans (48%) say the media are too liberal, tying the high end of the narrow 44% to 48% range recorded over the past decade. One-third say the media are just about right while 15% say they are too conservative. Overall, perceptions of bias have remained quite steady over this tumultuous period of change for the media, marked by the growth of cable and Internet news sources. Americans' views now are in fact identical to those in 2004, despite the many changes in the industry since then. Democrats and liberals remain far more likely than other political and ideological groups to trust the media and to perceive no bias. Lower-income Americans and those with less education are generally more likely to trust the media than are those with higher incomes and more education. A subgroup analysis of these data suggests that three demographic groups key to advertisers -- adults aged 18 to 29, Americans making at least $75,000 per year, and college graduates -- lost more trust in the media in the past year than other groups, but the sample sizes in this survey are too small to say so definitively. Bottom Line Gallup's annual update on trust in the mass media finds Americans' views entrenched -- with a record-high 57% expressing little to no trust in the media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly, and 63% perceiving bias in one direction or the other. At the same time, the steady nature of these views stands in contrast to Americans' views of the three branches of government, which are all down sharply this year. Thus, in an environment in which few institutions elicit high levels of trust, it appears the media are neither gaining nor losing significant ground -- but are just managing to hold steady. Survey Methods Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Sept. 13-16, 2010, with a random sample of 1,019 adults, aged 18 and older, living in the continental U.S., selected using random-digit-dial sampling. The question on whether the media are too liberal, too conservative, or just about right is part of a USA Today/Gallup poll series conducted as part of the same survey. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points. Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones (for respondents with a landline telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell phone-only). Each sample includes a minimum quota of 150 cell phone-only respondents and 850 landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents for gender within region. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday. Samples are weighted by gender, age, race, education, region, and phone lines. Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2009 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older non-institutionalized population living in continental U.S. telephone households. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting and sample design. In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:29:21 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Faulty registry suits Harper Faulty registry suits Harper By Murray Mandryk, Saskatchewan News Network Regina Leader-Post September 29, 2010 Having lost its fight to scrap the long gun registry, one might conclude the next logical move of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government would be to try to fix it. Of course, that would be the logical course of events if this debate was about anything other than politics. What's readily apparent after last week's 153-151 vote against Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner's private member's bill to scrap the registry is that Harper and company feel they are better served politically by keeping this unpopular Liberal legislation around rather than actually fixing it. The thought crosses one's mind in the wake of the dramatic vote, which seems to have increased the Conservatives' popularity at the expense of the Liberals and New Democrats in particular. A 1,002-person survey done for Postmedia-Global TV sees the Tories' popularity rise by one point to 35 per cent in the past two weeks, while Michael Ignatieff's Liberals are down two points, to 29 per cent, and Jack Layton's NDP has dropped by four points, to 12 per cent. In short, Harper's gamble to use the long gun registry controversy to shore up his party's base and even make inroads in such places as rural Ontario seems to have worked. Layton's strategy of attempting to be all things to all voters appears to have backfired. No matter how inane they sound, anything Conservatives now say about the gun registry appears to be to their advantage. Take Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre MP Tom Lukiwski's suggestion that Liberal and New Democrat MPs took their marching orders from their Ottawa masters. How is that any different from Saskatchewan's 13 Tory MPs taking their marching orders from their Ottawa master on equalization, or a domed stadium in Regina? Scrap the registry? Why would the Harper Conservatives want to do that when the issue isn't even losing them ground in urban Ontario and Quebec? Why end a fight they just can't seem to lose? But while all this may be well and good for the Conservatives' political fortunes, is the current situation really any good for everyone else? It certainly isn't great for a Canadian tradition of peace, order and good government. We've registered handguns since 1934 and even registered long guns during the war. While Harper sees political benefit in this division, we are losing the fine old notion of compromise for the betterment of the nation as a whole. That rural and urban Canada both have diverse but equally valid concerns over gun control hardly is a consideration to emerge out of the Prime Minister's Office. While this will be hard for gun advocates to accept, the incessant criticism of the registry today probably isn't all that great for Canadian police officers. Police chiefs as well as regular duty officers will tell you the registry is a useful tool. You also won't hear much from the PMO that the Canadian Firearms Registry has seen a dramatic increase in online inquiries, to 14,012 a day this year from 1,813 in 2002. You will hear, however, that this is simply because a hit is automatically generated every time a licence plate or address is checked by police, and that only 3.7 per cent of the hits are specific to firearms registration. But worst of all for Canada's ordinary, law-abiding long gun owners is that there's no hope now that a badly flawed piece of legislation will be improved. Rather than take up either Layton or Ignatieff on their pre-vote offer to fix the legislation, Harper seems content to keep ineffective legislation intact. That there is an amnesty from prosecution until May 2011 for failing to register a long gun speaks to the bill's current ineffectiveness. But what if there is an election? What if the government changes or we get another Conservative minority that can't scrap the original bill C-68? Wouldn't we all be better off with thoughtful amendments that take into consideration whatever benefits are derived from the long-gun registry, without making criminals of duck hunters and farmers? Or is the prime minister only interested in the ceaseless games and brinkmanship we saw last week? © Copyright (c) The StarPhoenix ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #104 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)