Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, October 1 2010 Volume 14 : Number 108 In this issue: "Harper shooting himself in the foot over gun...." [Excerpt] "Harper shooting himself in the foot over gun...." [Excerpt] U.S.: Bank encourages second amendment - Brenham Banner-Press Re: Harper's AudGen epitomizes the Toronto urban elite Harper ignores Baird and makes an inspired choice [Excerpts] "Shooting revives debate on allowing guns on...campuses - Dallas" Re: Edmonton Police praise long gun registry Re: Firearms Registry verifier gets 4 1/2 years for gun running Re: Ontario Superior Court judge strikes down prostitution law Re: U.S.: Bank encourages second amendment - Brenham Banner-Press why we have gun control . . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:30:56 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: "Harper shooting himself in the foot over gun...." [Excerpt] Subject: "Harper shooting himself in the foot over gun registry defeat" [Excerpt] ‘Ingenious stealth majority’ not in cards after Harper’s gun-registry defeat Jane Taber Globe and Mail Update September 30, 2010 8:51AM EDT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/ingenious-stealth-majority-not-in-cards-after-harpers-gun-registry-defeat/article1734330/ 1. ‘The electorate is mildly polarizing.’ Canadians are squeezing out Jack Layton’s New Democrats as the gap widens between his party and the two front-running parties, according to a new EKOS poll. The latest survey, released Thursday morning, supports what other recent polls have shown – a worrisome decline for the NDP, which faces the possibility of slipping behind the Green Party. 2. Shooting himself in the foot. Stephen Harper not only lost his fight to kill the long-gun registry, it now appears the registry could cost him 20 seats and his dream of a majority government, according to new seat projections based on the EKOS poll released Thursday morning. “The gun registry battle has not set the table for an ingenious stealth majority,” pollster Frank Graves says. “Whatever possible gains that might occur in rural opposition areas would be woefully inadequate to get the CPC the 30-plus seats they would need under these numbers to secure a majority – and this is without even considering the possibility of losses in urban conservative seats now held by narrow margins.” Mr. Graves’s seat projections give the Tories 123 seats, down sharply from the 143 they currently hold in the Commons. Michael Ignatieff’s Liberals would earn 26 more seats, up to 102 from the 76 they have now. The NDP, which only has 36 seats now, would see their representation in the House decline to 28. The Bloc would see its fortunes increase to 54 seats from 48 in Quebec, and there would be one independent MP. “In fact, the clear conclusion is that the Conservatives have steered away from the brink of majority at the last election,” Mr. Graves says. “The current voter intention numbers would now place them numerically closer to the opposition than majority.” Letters to The Editor; Letters@globeandmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:30:56 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: "Harper shooting himself in the foot over gun...." [Excerpt] Subject: "Harper shooting himself in the foot over gun registry defeat" [Excerpt] ‘Ingenious stealth majority’ not in cards after Harper’s gun-registry defeat Jane Taber Globe and Mail Update September 30, 2010 8:51AM EDT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/ingenious-stealth-majority-not-in-cards-after-harpers-gun-registry-defeat/article1734330/ 1. ‘The electorate is mildly polarizing.’ Canadians are squeezing out Jack Layton’s New Democrats as the gap widens between his party and the two front-running parties, according to a new EKOS poll. The latest survey, released Thursday morning, supports what other recent polls have shown – a worrisome decline for the NDP, which faces the possibility of slipping behind the Green Party. 2. Shooting himself in the foot. Stephen Harper not only lost his fight to kill the long-gun registry, it now appears the registry could cost him 20 seats and his dream of a majority government, according to new seat projections based on the EKOS poll released Thursday morning. “The gun registry battle has not set the table for an ingenious stealth majority,” pollster Frank Graves says. “Whatever possible gains that might occur in rural opposition areas would be woefully inadequate to get the CPC the 30-plus seats they would need under these numbers to secure a majority – and this is without even considering the possibility of losses in urban conservative seats now held by narrow margins.” Mr. Graves’s seat projections give the Tories 123 seats, down sharply from the 143 they currently hold in the Commons. Michael Ignatieff’s Liberals would earn 26 more seats, up to 102 from the 76 they have now. The NDP, which only has 36 seats now, would see their representation in the House decline to 28. The Bloc would see its fortunes increase to 54 seats from 48 in Quebec, and there would be one independent MP. “In fact, the clear conclusion is that the Conservatives have steered away from the brink of majority at the last election,” Mr. Graves says. “The current voter intention numbers would now place them numerically closer to the opposition than majority.” Letters to The Editor; Letters@globeandmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:45:07 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: U.S.: Bank encourages second amendment - Brenham Banner-Press http://www.brenhambanner.com/articles/2010/08/19/news/news03.txt Bank encourages second amendment By ARTHUR HAHN/Managing Editor Thursday, August 19, 2010 CHAPPELL HILL - Any would-be robbers looking to walk into the bank here had best think twice. There's a new sign in town. About a month ago, Chappell Hill Bank president Edward Smith looked at a sign on the front door prohibiting concealed weapons from his business and decided to make a policy change. Licensed to carry a handgun? Come on in, and bring your weapon. The sign, now prominently displayed on the bank's front door, says: "Lawful concealed carry permitted on these premises. Management recognizes the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution as an inalienable right of all citizens. We therefore support and encourage the carrying of licensed concealed weapons." Smith said he made the policy change to send a warning to potential robbers, and also to express support to Americans' right to bear arms. "We had the sign on the window, the red circle with the pistol inside and a line through it." And I started thinking, "We've got this no gun sign up and the guy (robber) can come in and do what he wants. But if you've got a policy allowing handguns, he won't know how many people are going to be in here carrying a concealed weapon. There may be some little old lady who's mad at the government, and she'd love to use it." he said. The bank has been robbed twice in the last three years, including last March when a Western-attired man walked in, ordered bank employees to fill a canvas bag with money and then fled in a pickup truck. The man, who did not brandish a weapon, has not been caught. The sign has made Chappell Hill Bank and Smith somewhat of an Internet sensation. A photo of the sign has made its way around the world, and Smith has even been interviewed for the National Rifle Association's radio network (http://www.nranews.com ). He's also been contacted by other media outlets wanting to do stories. "It's kind of gotten a life of its own," he said. Expressions of support have far outnumbered criticism. Smith been contacted by officials from larger banks considering to take similar action, and has received e-mails in support from across the United States and even from England, Canada, and Germany. "I haven't gotten any from Chicago or California, which doesn't surprise me," Smith said with a laugh. "We did get a real nice e-mail from an 88-year-old World War II veteran who said it's about time somebody stood up in this country." The NRA has even invited him to speak at an upcoming convention, but Smith said, "I'm still deciding on that." Smith said he's only received one negative e-mail, from an anonymous sender. The policy change has also brought Chappell Hill Bank a handful of new customers and comments from people outside Washington County that they'd bank there if they lived here, said Smith. "I tell them that we're a full-service bank and we're on the Internet. They can bank online," he said. Opinions/Editorial; edit@brenhambanner.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:24:51 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Harper's AudGen epitomizes the Toronto urban elite The comment was made on the CFD: > Subject: "Harper appointed AudGen epitomizes the 'despised' Toronto > urban elite" > > "Most, if not all university types are far left wing radicals." 'Upon what rock solid foundation' is that conclusion based? After haunting the halls of several august establishments of post pubescent learning, I can report that the political persuasion of members of their 'communities of learning' is representative of the general population. One of the greater predictors of affiliation is one's parents views. I can report that many younguns undergo a bit of a transformation when they begin to discover the world does not operate quite as simplistically as Ma and Pa claimed. Many discover that the world isn't quite as 'black and white' as they thought. I only found one study on Google. Political change among college alumni. > Abstract > http://www.jstor.org/pss/2112062 > A longitudinal study of 1961 alumni shows that in the years since > graduation, they have moved away from Democratic political > affiliation towards "independence," while the net loss among > Republicans was quite small. However, the alumni were far more likely > to describe themselves as "liberal" than they were to describe their > parents with the same term. The "independents" were more likely to be > sympathetic with both black and student movements than were either > the Democrats or the Republicans. Even "conservative independents" > were more "radical" than conservative Democrats or Republicans. > Change from Democratic preference among one's parents to > "Independence" correlated with attendance at elite universities and > liberal arts colleges. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:35:20 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Harper ignores Baird and makes an inspired choice [Excerpts] [A very bright, exceedingly capable fellow is this Nigel Wright. . . but what can I say, the creme de la creme of the Toronto urban elite may have little patience with Harper's fixation on the gun registry. This guys' sharper than Brodie and Giorno put together and much more progressive. This is the second 'urban elite' to get Harper's nod over the past few days]. Harper makes an inspired choice Tim Powers Globe and Mail Update September 24, 2010 > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/silver-powers/harper-makes-an-inspired-choice/article1724100/ Stephen Harper has chosen his new chief of staff: Nigel Wright, soon to be a former executive with Canadian business powerhouse Onex Corp. Like his predecessors Ian Brodie and Guy Giorno, Wright is a very smart man with deep roots in Conservative politics. But unlike Ian and Guy, top-notch talents themselves, Nigel has an abundance of world-class business experience that will be invaluable to the country and government in these still-tough economic times. Mr. Wright, 47, will be replacing Guy Giorno by the end of the year, The Globe and Mail revealed on Friday. Critics both within and outside the party blame Mr. Giorno for the troubles that have plagued the Tories throughout 2010. - -- Harper chooses Bay-street exec Nigel Wright as next chief of staff JOHN IBBITSON , BOYD ERMAN AND PAUL WALDIE OTTAWA AND TORONTO— From Saturday's Globe and Mail Sep. 24, 2010 Last updated Sep. 24, 2010 8:48PM EDT > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-chooses-bay-street-exec-nigel-wright-as-next-chief-of-staff/article1725151/ But Mr. Wright is a dealmaker, one of the best around. At Onex Corp, a well-known Toronto investment firm, he specialized in purchasing underperforming or undervalued assets in industries such as aerospace, whipping them into shape then selling them for a profit. He was considered a prime contender to replace Onex founder Gerald Schwartz, should he ever retire. FYI [Onex is one of Canada's 2nd largest employers with almost a 1/4 Mil employees]. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onex_Corporation Onex > http://www.onex.com/Home.aspx Over 26 years, Onex has completed more than 280 acquisitions and generated a 29 percent compound annual return on invested capital. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:27:37 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: "Shooting revives debate on allowing guns on...campuses - Dallas" Subject: "Shooting revives debate on allowing guns on college campuses - Dallas " http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-utguns_29tex.ART.State.Edition2.342a8e3.html Shooting revives debate on allowing guns on college campuses By ROBERT T. GARRETT / The Dallas Morning News rtgarrett@dallasnews.com September 29, 2010 AUSTIN - The University of Texas shooting stoked a simmering conflict Tuesday about allowing handguns on campus - an issue that's already roiled the governor's race and sent hundreds of students marching in protest last year. Gov. Rick Perry says he favors allowing guns at colleges, giving owners a chance to intervene. Police groups and others say that would only confuse what are potentially chaotic situations. Perry's Democratic challenger, Bill White, says state policy-makers should stand down and let individual campuses decide. The debate unfolded on the same day that an outspoken advocate of guns on campus, University of Maryland research scientist John Lott, was to speak at the UT Law School. Lott's appearance was switched to a bookstore near campus after at least one sponsoring student group was reluctant to proceed after the day's events, said Robert Butler, executive director of the state Libertarian Party. Butler said Texas' concealed handgun license holders should be able to carry on campus - which is now prohibited. "The record shows that when people are able to defend themselves, they have a better chance of survival," he said, citing delays in police response to crime scenes. John Woods, a UT graduate student who organized an anti-gun rally last year, disagreed. He said that having more guns on campus wouldn't improve security. "If there were multiple students running around with guns, it would've made the police's job a lot harder this morning," Woods said Tuesday. He was a student at Virginia Tech University in 2007 when a gunman killed 32 people, including Woods' girlfriend. He said gun backers don't understand that training to get a concealed carry license is "just eight hours in a classroom and a couple of shots at a target that's not moving in a range - a very, very controlled situation." The march by students to the Capitol last year protested a bill that would have allowed students, faculty and administrators to carry concealed handguns on campus. It passed the Senate but was derailed in the House. In the past three years, lawmakers in 21 other states, including Arkansas, Louisiana and Oklahoma, rejected bills allowing students to carry concealed handguns at colleges and universities. Andy Pelosi, president of GunFreeKids.org, said that of more than 500 public four-year colleges and universities, just over 20 - mostly in Utah and Colorado - allow guns on campus. But Daniel Crocker, Southwest regional director for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, which is active at UT, said: "Students and faculty deserve options beyond relying on the altruism - or poor aim - of a madman." Katy Bacon, a White spokeswoman, said "Perry wants to mandate allowing guns on campus" but White believes "students, parents, administrators, and security personnel should decide." Perry spokesman Mark Miner played down the Republican governor's differences with police groups on the issue and said Perry is "a strong believer and supporter of the Second Amendment, and Bill White isn't." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: Edmonton Police praise long gun registry Neah... We should send every policeman to jail each time public receives a complain against him/her, e.g. too much force, discrimination, etc (no need for investigation, send tactical unit, you know... policeman has access to firearms). Same rule: report on person, you go to jail. How would they like that? VS - --- On Thu, 9/30/10, Norman Lapierre wrote: From: Norman Lapierre Subject: Re: Edmonton Police praise long gun registry To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 12:18 PM By the same token, every male in Canada who is of age to procreate, should be arrested as potential rapists. At the same time, all Canadian women who are sexually active should be arrested as potential prostitutes. Lord, we got tho start building more prisons. On 2010-09-30, at 12:50 PM, 10x@telus.net wrote: > Just suspecting that someone MAY commit a crime is not enough. If that is > the case then politicicans should be jailed because they may > misappropriate public money. Fact is they are untouchable even if they > do steal tax dollars (See sponsorship program). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 00:19:02 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Firearms Registry verifier gets 4 1/2 years for gun running > Subject: Re: Firearms Registry verifier gets 4 1/2 years for gun > running > > - --- On Wed, 9/29/10, Lee Jasper wrote: > >> The judge imposed a sentence of nine years, reduced to six years >> after applying the totality principle, aimed at preventing >> excessive punishment. Bruce asked: > What is this now? Some new liberal hug-a-thug dodge? I've never > heard of this before. And: >> After double-time credit for Whaling having spent nine months in >> pre-trial custody, she reduced the sentence to 4 1/2 years. (Tongue-in-cheek) Evidence of Bruce's paranoia and distrust: > Didn't the Cons just pass a law making this kind of nonsense > obsolete? [As my Ma used to say, "Ya can't trust a politician any further than you can throw them." And we've got some 'plus-sized' folk on the gov't benches]. Well, you know how straight-up they've been about the 'gun registry'. I think the CPC probably realized they didn't start to spend that $9 Bil to house the folks who commit the crimes that haven't yet been reported and they haven't built enough cells and expanded the prisons fast enough. There's no place to put them; the only place where they have space is in the empty bovine stables on the prison farms which are quickly becoming ghost towns. Actually Bruce, in this case the CONS have been overruled by Wiki. > http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_totality_principle > The totality principle requires that where an offender is being > sentenced to multiple terms, or is otherwise to serve multiple > sentences, then the sentencer should ensure that the total sentence > remains 'just and appropriate' for the whole of the offending. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 00:48:11 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Ontario Superior Court judge strikes down prostitution law > Subject: "Ontario Superior Court judge strikes down prostitution law" > > [Note to Eduardo; hire this gunslinger. A law prof looking for a cause] > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The legal system discriminates against the 5 million members of the > Canadian firearms community. For details see > http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0395.html I had a quick look, Joe. This is all old, regurgitated stuff that needs to be tightened up. Find a dozen citations outside of the Can. Bar Assoc. to buttress the major tenets to give it some clout. . . Maybe some statistics . . . The problem with your case in question was the abdominal mixture of political aspirations with criminal sanctions. Some day we may be able to have a discussion about some serious issues with the whole ordeal. I'm familiar with cases that had a more productive ending for the gun owner affected, like McBain (self-represented) and Hurrell (Boni and Trudell(?), the latter won his Leave to Appeal to the SCC and I understand the Supremes ran up the White Flag. And the young feller(?) near Utopia (that's an actual place) did alright for himself in the end; beat the OPPressive ninjas back and is probably retired now off the proceeds. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: U.S.: Bank encourages second amendment - Brenham Banner-Press - --- On Thu, 9/30/10, Joe Gingrich wrote: > Bank encourages second amendment > The policy change has also brought Chappell Hill Bank a handful of new > customers and comments from people outside Washington County that they'd > bank there if they lived here, said Smith. > > "I tell them that we're a full-service bank and we're on the Internet. > They can bank online," he said. Which only goes to show - CCW is not just "good business", it's good *for* business! Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:57:44 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: why we have gun control . . Cc: Lorne Gunter , Bill Good , Sandra Toner , Wally Craig , Candice Hoeppner , Robert Nicholson In American news...there is a report of a WOMAN shooting a '12 year old boy'. She is NOT being charged, as she was deemed to have used the gun in self-defense. Until you are told the full story, you will react emotionally to 'the shooting of a 'child'... Well, 'the 12 year old child' and a 13 year old went to her house, believing she had a gun with the intention of stealing it, we are told. She came to the door and faced them unarmed at first, telling them to 'get lost'. They came back armed with bricks, again, threatening her with forceful entry. Now, she had already phoned the cops, but they had not arrived, and the threat had escalated to the point where sher feared for her safety. So she shot the most aggressive of the two. Police eventually got there and determined she, indeed feared for her safety and no charges were preferred. When the story hit the media, widely diverse speculations were offered... Some agreed with the shooting but, and it's large "but" ... one WOMAN "CONDEMNED" the victim with all the other things she may have done rather than shoot... Another, jumped outside the event and asked; "WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN A MAN WHO HAD DONE THE SHOOTING"? Yes, what if... Len sez, To Bev, Wendy, and many other women, if it had been a man... I mean a real man. who would have dealt with it himself. The kids would have gone away and no shooting would have been needed. That this was missed, shows how gun events can and have been miscast. Large killings, produce large fears, media loves this, for it can generate broadcast after broadcast on issues which had nothing to do with the main event. "It's got legs", right Bill? Like C-68, what lies were told to pass it, what damage it has done to people who had nothing to do with it, and the lives it cost, having saved none. How many people have been killed, having been denied the means of self protection? ...there are many... gun control is a farce...a hoax! It fails every test, which those who support it, will not put it to... Dishonest politicians are having a field day misrepresenting how they will either pass a new law, or modify the existing one, all with the intent to make your life safer. Well, it won't,...make your life safer, that is... Meanwhile a serial molester is haunting the lower mainland, having beaten a fifteen year old to death a 'ramping up' from having pepper sprayed others in the past... Remember all murderers, rapists, fraud perps, began life as someone's innocent little darling... "it takes a village to raise a child'... some good judges would help, but, they too, began life as someone's privileged darling. Time to 'get a little mud on their boots'??? . . ## We have a new class of criminal now...it's the teenagers...'like' you're less dead if killed by a 'child' ? Grant De-Patie ? Well done: parents, teachers, social workers, and judges . Ah, me... Len Miller Vancouver ## It's a prairie expression, lost on the urban dweller, and politicians(?) ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #108 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)