Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, October 2 2010 Volume 14 : Number 113 In this issue: Local shooting club strutting its stuff Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work David Johnston sworn in as Governor General *NFR* montague fund Allan Rock Congratulates David Johnston *NFR* Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work pound salt Re: Perfect posturing - Susan Riley Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down letter to TheStar [Re: "Duke of York killer gun"] Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work "Re:CottageCountryNow.ca: Hunters revisit loss in registry battle" Re: Reply and response from Calgary Herald (Naomi Lakritz) ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 11:25:22 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Local shooting club strutting its stuff Photo and caption in my Aylmer Express weekly advising the donation of $10,178 to the Canadian Cystic Fybrosis Foundation. This was the proceeds from The East Elgin Sportsmen's Association's IPSC shoot attended by 117 competitors from as far away as Ottawa. Other recent news had a photo of its Junior Air Rifle team which faired well, I think in a provincial competition. I note the club has removed its original log clubhouse; only the concrete pad remains. I presume a new, modern building will be constructed in its place. I also noted some time back that additional shooting berms had been constructed as well as an additional storage building. Doing its bit to 'grow' the shooting sports. But of course, we all understand that this 'enlightening' of the masses can not occur in the 'shadows' as the state of the art indoor pistol range (used frequently for training security company employees for the protection of our cash) and several outdoor ranges are inspected yearly by the OPPressive CFO. I'd expect that every competitor was sanitized prior to the IPSC shoot. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:36:00 -0400 From: tliner Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work Depends what he considers an antique mred. I have a luger and a browning I consider antique but both have to be registered. The ones you are talking about have to be in the category of no ammunition of any kind available - --------- Original Message ---------- From: "mred" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > You are a >sipped< as antiques are not required to be registered > and ANY legitimate gun owner KNOWS this . > > You are also a fake. You dont have any guns or you wouldn't make such a > stupid statement. > > Your whole post is fabricated. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Mills" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:04 PM > Subject: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > >> http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/search/article/1243406 >> >> Gun registry just won't work >> >> To The Editor: >> >> I have followed the gun registry debate with some interest. I have two >> antique pistols fully registered which I have never fired. They are >> antiques. So this will answer those who may say I have a personal bias. >> >> When considering any action, whether it is a personal decision or >> legislation affecting the entire country, one source that may provide >> direction is past experience with similar situations. For instance, >> registration of motor vehicles has been a requirement in most of the >> world since the very early 1900s. If registration works, then there >> should be very little if any misbehaviour involving motor vehicles. >> >> However, in spite of extensive law enforcement attempts, motor vehicles >> continue to be used in crimes of all types, including robberies, >> murders, and drug smuggling as well as misbehaviour involving motor >> vehicles themselves such as driving too fast for conditions, driving >> while intoxicated and endangering others by ignoring stop signs and >> other rules of the road. >> >> Registration of guns will not be any more effective in preventing crime >> than registration of motor vehicles. The absolute most gun registration >> can do is keep a record of law abiding people who own guns. >> >> A quick review of places, such as Nazi Germany, will show that places >> that have the tightest control of the citizens have not prevented people >> from having guns. Consider the underground forces of many European >> nations during the occupation. >> >> Donald L. Taylor, >> Dobson Corner >> >> Letter to the Editor Guidelines >> >> On Line Contact Assistant; >> http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/onsite.php?page=contact#B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:47:18 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: David Johnston sworn in as Governor General *NFR* http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/viceregal+calls+caring+nation/3614449/story.html New viceregal calls for 'caring nation' David Johnston sworn in as Governor General By Tobi Cohen, Postmedia News October 2, 2010 Canada's new Governor General opened his term Friday challenging Canadians to join him in a stepped-up journey to engage in the joys of family, learning and volunteering as the country approaches its 150th birthday in 2017. David Johnston made his impassioned appeal after being sworn in Friday as the Queen's representative in Canada, the climax of a ceremony on a flag-festooned Parliament Hill celebrating the passing of the Governor General's torch from Michaelle Jean -- a former Haitian refugee who wears her passion for her adopted country on her sleeve -- to the athletic northern Ontario native and lifelong teacher. Before speaking, Johnston shared an enthusiastic embrace and kiss with his wife, Sharon, the woman he described as his "inspiration" and the "wind beneath my feet" through 46 years of marriage. As for his beloved five daughters, he broke away from his prepared text to recall the time when he was asked if he wished he had a son. "Alas sir," he replied. "You have yet to meet my daughters." Johnston, a career academic, used his inaugural address as the country's 28th Governor General to make a forward-looking pitch for turning Canada into an even better model of industrial and technical innovation and compassion. "We want to be a smart and caring nation," Johnston told a packed Senate chamber. Johnston, 69, said he looked forward to hearing the stories of all Canadians and newcomers from all backgrounds as he and his wife travel the country. He said he wants to hear about the Canada they envision in 2017. In a crisp, 15-minute speech, he reached out in particular to Canada's soldiers, to aboriginals and to immigrants and said he expects to learn from them in the coming five years. As the Canadian Forces' new commander-in-chief, he said: "We are looking forward to meeting families and daughters who have served in Afghanistan." Johnston described his mission as bringing people together to create a nation "that will inspire, not just Canadians, but the entire world." In closing, he turned to the words of Irish playwright George Bernard Shaw: "Some people see things as they are and wonder why. We dream of things that ought to be and ask why not." The chamber audience was a veritable who's who of the Canadian establishment, among them red-robed justices of the Supreme Court of Canada, past prime ministers such as Joe Clark, John Turner and Jean Chretien, aboriginal leaders, members of the Canadian Forces and federal cabinet ministers. Johnston spoke just minutes after swearing his oath of office for a position that, while largely ceremonial, carries significant responsibilities, especially during minority governments when the Governor General plays a key role in deciding whether a prime minister can prorogue Parliament or call an election. "I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the second, Queen of Canada, her heir and successors," Johnston vowed in the first of three oaths an incoming viceregal must pledge. "I will in all things to be treated debated and resolved in Privy Council, faithfully, honestly and truly declare my mind and my opinion." A beaming Johnston and his wife arrived on Parliament Hill mid-morning, setting off a two-hour celebration that included trumpet fanfares, a 21-gun salute, a children's choir's sweet-voiced rendition of the national anthem, prayer and the singing of Ties That Bind by singer Terry Kelly. The couple was greeted by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his wife, Laureen, and a military honour guard before passing through the "Hall of Honour" where 13 Canadians, representing each province and territory, handed each of them a rose to be placed later at the foot of the nearby National War Memorial. Harper had earlier embraced Johnston as having an "all-Canadian heart," telling the chamber the former college hockey player and passionate teacher believes that service is not only an option, but an "obligation of the heart that honour compels a man to accept." Jean, accompanied by her husband, attended the event as a private citizen and, for the first time in five years, had no official duties to perform. As per tradition, the job fell to deputy governor general Beverley McLachlin, Canada's chief justice, for the duration of the transition. Dubbed "The Smart and Caring Nation: A Call to Service," the ceremony was designed to reflect Johnston's commitment to children and family life, learning and education and philanthropy and volunteerism. Johnston, who spent the last 11 years as president of the University of Waterloo, has been described as a devoted father of five accomplished daughters and grandfather of seven. A gifted fundraiser who was able to draw support from all levels of government and the private sector during his tenure at Waterloo, he helped transform the university and the region into Canada's high-tech hub. He has travelled extensively, using his charm and knowledge of other cultures to build partnerships with institutions in such places as China, India, Italy and the United Arab Emirates -- honing diplomatic skills that should prove useful when he represents Canada abroad. Johnston boasts 13 honorary degrees, has written or contributed to dozens of books, articles and conference papers, has published government reports on everything from the Mulroney-Schreiber affair to broadband Internet and has helped write legislation. He's moderated federal and provincial election debates and hosted two 1990s-era public affairs television shows. Extremely active at 69, the two-time captain of Harvard's varsity hockey team still runs, cycles and skis regularly. Deeply committed to public service, Johnston traded his nearly $500,000 university president salary and his spot on four company boards of directors and five not-for-profits to serve Canada. The non-taxable viceregal salary is pegged at just under $130,000 a year. "This is one more service to his nation," said University of Western Ontario president Amit Chakma, a friend and former colleague at Waterloo. "I cannot think of a better person to represent Canada." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:00:31 -0400 From: tliner Subject: montague fund Sorry. I have lost the address to send a donation to the montague fund. anyone still have it? thanks [NOTE: AsstMod-RAM: Click on the link below for information regarding donations:] http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0006.html#donate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:08:41 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Allan Rock Congratulates David Johnston *NFR* http://www.media.uottawa.ca/mediaroom/news-details_2037.html Allan Rock Congratulates David Johnston on His Appointment as Canada's Next Governor OTTAWA, July 8, 2010 - University of Ottawa President Allan Rock today expressed delight and extended warmest congratulations to David Johnston following the Prime Minister's announcement that President Johnston is to be the 28th Governor General of Canada. "David Johnston is an inspired choice for the office of Governor General of Canada," said Allan Rock. "It has been my very great privilege to know and work with David Johnston in various capacities over many years. I am proud to call him a friend. He has a deep commitment to Canada and a strong sense of public service. He is an outstanding scholar and a remarkable Canadian, who will carry out this new and important role with energy and distinction." David Johnston is currently the President of the University of Waterloo. He has devoted his entire career to the academic world. He taught law at Queen's University, the University of Toronto, and the University of Western Ontario, where he was Dean of Law from 1974-1979. In 1979, he was named Principal and Vice-Chancellor of McGill University, a post in which he served with distinction for 15 years. President Johnston took office as the fifth President of the University of Waterloo in 1999. He is a Companion of the Order of Canada. He was President of the Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada, the Conférence des recteurs et des principaux des universités du Québec, the founding Chair of the National Roundtable on the Environment and the Economy and the only non-US citizen ever to chair Harvard University's Board of Overseers. David Johnston completed his university studies with distinction at Harvard, Cambridge and Queen's. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:40:08 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work Methinks this is one of the reasons the RFC will not win the debate over encroaching gun laws: > For instance, registration of motor vehicles has been a requirement > in most of the world since the very early 1900s. If registration > works, then there should be very little if any misbehaviour involving > motor vehicles. However, in spite of extensive law enforcement > attempts, motor vehicles continue to be used in crimes of all types, > including robberies, murders, and drug smuggling as well as > misbehaviour involving motor vehicles themselves such as driving too > fast for conditions, driving while intoxicated and endangering others > by ignoring stop signs and other rules of the road. I'll bet this chap gave his head an emphatic, "YES" shake after he clicked on the send icon. Can anyone provide an 'authoritative source' for this broken logic? Who claimed registration of autos would prevent these social ills? - -- Better still, , , Who can provide a citation for anyone in this or former gov't's claiming that the objective of C-68 was a reduction in crime. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:49:15 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work - -------- Original Message -------- From: "tliner" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > Depends what he considers an antique mred.I have a luger and a browning I > consider antique but both have to be registered. "The ones you are talking > about have to be in the category of no ammunition of any kind available" You are mistaken in this regard; I have two antique pistols that were not registered and ammunition is available although its pricey. I also have an original ball and percussion cap rifle and ammo is currently available for that as well.And it is not required to be registered. Your statement would also mean that cap and ball (original) revolvers are not classed as antique when they actually are. Repros. are required to be registered. I stand by my original letter to the ed....... ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:49:35 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: pound salt I know that "pound salt" means, more or less, "go @$(&^$ yourself", but I am curious about the origin of the phrase. Can anyone enlighten me. I will post another old phrase, which I am sure you have heard. How about "got the drop on you". It was used by (supposedly) gunmen who already had their gun out and trained on you. More loosely, it meant that someone had the advantage on you. The origin of that phrase came from seige warfare. The defenders in the castle were up on the walls, while the invaders were trying to pound the door or gates into mush, so they could gain entrance. The defenders would pour hot water, boulders, various projectiles and boiling lead or sand down onto the invaders. By pouring it from above, they had the advantage. They had the drop on you. Heated sand was cheap and easy to use. It was really nasty. The hot sand would work its way into your clothes or your armour, with very painful and destructive results. So, the origin of some phrase can be very obscure. Where did "pound salt" come from? Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:56:12 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Perfect posturing - Susan Riley I reported to the CFD: >> I finally got around to sending a thank you note and congrats to >> Susan Riley for her Sept. 17th article in the Ottawa Citizen, >> Perfect Posturing. >> >> http://www2.canada.com/ottawacitizen/columnists/story.html?id=934c6797-c2a6-4286-bac5-85b721f78bcb&p=2 Bruce posited: > I hope you pointed out that people *DO* oppose licensing, as being the > most onerous and draconian part of the Firearms Act? I don't have the flowery script coined by our most ardent prose-people. But I gave it my all. > Darn good article that identified the 'real' beef with most > 'thinking' firearm owners. > > Many of these types have ceased being 'core' supporters of the CPC > as the list of 'broken promises' grows. > > A legitimate concern in outlying areas of northern Canada and parts > of the west and east, is the inability to access CFSC and Hunter > Safety instructors, so the 'certification' issue becomes an > obstacle. > > I've lobbied to have the CFSC, CRFSC and Hunter Safety courses and > exams put online. I argue if it works for the Pleasure Craft > Operator Card (PCOC) for owners/operators of small runabouts to very > complex large watercraft - surely it would work for something simple, > like firearms. > > Not a chance; these instructors are largely card carrying members of > the CPC who keep those monthly cheques rolling in. > > Regards, > > Lee J. > > I suspect you were raised in a family of hunters or target shooters Did I have an agenda? Yup! Maybe she'll write a piece about the solution. Maybe Iggy or Taliban Jack will pick up on it. Harper sure as heck won't; it'd be too 'progressive'. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:56:00 -0400 From: tliner Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down I think the article stated his wife was driving around shopping with the gun in the back seat. I would imagine she doesn't have a licence and that is the cops consideration - -------- Original Message -------- From: "mred" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Mills" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 8:48 AM > Subject: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down > >> http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/103659789.html >> >> Police have yet to determine if any charges are pending from the >> incident. >> >> "The question is how was it being transported and why," >> said 'Brien. "You >> can't just transport firearms without proper authorization." >> >> On-line Contact Form; >> >> Contact Us >> http://www.bclocalnews.com/contact_us/?curSection=&returnPath=%2Fopinion%2Fletters%2F&bc09=true&c=y > >> since when do you need authroization to transport a long gun ? >> unrestricted of course .. > > This cop is blowing smoke and doesnt know what he`s talking about . he > doesnt even know the law and these are the type of people that are > supposed to enforce the law??? give me a break. > ED/ON > >I think the article stated his wife was driving around shopping with the >gun in the back seat. I'm thinking she doesn't have a licence and that is >what the cops are considering ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 11:17:57 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: letter to TheStar [Re: "Duke of York killer gun"] letter sent unpublished I read 'Duke of York killer gun changed hands several times, trial told' by Betsy Powell Courts Bureau, Published On Thu Sep 30 2010. In it you relay an interesting story for your readers but fail to mention how precisely Bill C-68, the Canadian Firearms Act helped the police catch, charge and possibly convict any alleged perpetrator. Don't you think this Act is as useless as the people say it is? We want violent offenders off the street, why don't our police trace them. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:23:49 -0400 From: "tliner" Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work my understanding of this was wrong. i stand corrected. i found all considered for antiques must be 1898 and prior. sorry mred - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mred" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "tliner" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > > >> Depends what he considers an antique mred.I have a luger and a browning I >> consider antique but both have to be registered. > > > "The ones you are talking about have to be in the category of no > ammunition of any kind available" > > You are mistaken in this regard; I have two antique pistols that were not > registered and ammunition is available although its pricey. > > I also have an original ball and percussion cap rifle and ammo is > currently available for that as well. And it is not required to be > registered. > > Your statement would also mean that cap and ball (original) revolvers are > not classed as antique when they actually are. Repros. are required to be > registered. > > I stand by my original letter to the ed....... > > ed/on > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 13:29:22 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: "Re:CottageCountryNow.ca: Hunters revisit loss in registry battle" Subject: "Re: CottageCountryNow.ca - Hunters revisit loss in gun registry battle" Another reason gun owners are risking their heritage: > CottageCountryNow.ca - Hunters revisit loss in gun registry battle > http://www.cottagecountrynow.ca/news/article/881239--hunters-revisit-loss-in-gun-registry-battle > > Hunters revisit loss in gun registry battle > > By Cameron Ginn > Oct 01, 2010 - 11:04 AM > > PARRY SOUND - MP Tony Clement still hopes to see the country’s gun > registry program scrapped. > Clement explained why his government is still committed to scrapping the > $1-billion registry after failing to do so in Parliament last Wednesday. Methinks Steamboat Tony Panayi suffers from dyscalculia. How else to explain his CPC gov't spending $90 mil of 'our' money on sprucing up his riding for the G-8. Do you want to see a pic of the cute lighthouse, chainsaw-carved out of a tree trunk - in Rosseau? How about the the well being drilled - FREE - for a chap in Orrville, because some Economic Action Plan road reconstruction scraped his well - which was on the road allowance. > On Wednesday afternoon, Rolly Frappier, an Ontario Federation of Anglers > and Hunters director who owns over a dozen long-guns, returned home from > the woods after setting up a tree stand in preparation for deer season in > Espanola, which starts today. On the back of his ATV was an encased, > registered rifle. > > “You can’t do that in southern Ontario, but in northern Ontario it’s > normal,” he said. Frappier is totally out to lunch. I did it all the time at my property in Haliburton (Central Ontario). It's legal to ATV all over on the township roads and highways. I also ride around at my property in Southern Ontario, , , with my smoke pole in the boot, , as well as varmint and small game spitters. This guys smokin' something stronger than baccy. Anyone wanna bet that the deer season he's talking about - is a bow season? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Re: Reply and response from Calgary Herald (Naomi Lakritz) ... Bruce Mills wrote: > Does it strike you as odd that Naomi is vetting letters about her own > column? Can you say "conflict of interest"? > > Here's a little tid-bit from her bio: > > Naomi has a B.A. in journalism from the University of Wisconsin. She > started out as a staff writer for the supermarket tabloid National > Examiner. > > That explains a lot... > > Yours in TYRANNY! > Bruce Actually, Bruce, I cc'd her on the original letter. I suppose there might be a conflict with her editing letters and writing editorial, but I'm not sure how big the Herald is. As I stated, the conversation was cordial, but we'll see in the aftermath how much is smoke and mirrors. Cheers, Rob. - -- Circulation: 115,612 Daily 110,737 Sunday[1] [1] ^ "CANADIAN NEWSPAPER - SEARCH RESULTS". 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