Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, October 3 2010 Volume 14 : Number 114 In this issue: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down Which is why . . Report finds one large trade triggered May 6 market plunge *NFR* Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work [none] Re: letter to Calgary Herald (just sent) Re: letter to Calgary Herald (just sent) Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down [none] Re: Allan Rock Congratulates David Johnston *NFR* Calgary Herald - Letters - Oct 3/10 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:42:22 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down Hmmm AFAIK? theres NO licence needed to transpotrt only to possess. ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tliner" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down >I think the article stated his wife was driving around shopping with the > gun in the back seat. I would imagine she doesn't have a licence and that > is the cops consideration > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "mred" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bruce Mills" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 8:48 AM >> Subject: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down >> >>> http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/103659789.html >>> >>> Police have yet to determine if any charges are pending from the >>> incident. >>> >>> "The question is how was it being transported and why," >>> said 'Brien. "You >>> can't just transport firearms without proper authorization." >>> >>> On-line Contact Form; >>> >>> Contact Us >>> http://www.bclocalnews.com/contact_us/?curSection=&returnPath=%2Fopinion%2Fletters%2F&bc09=true&c=y >> >>> since when do you need authroization to transport a long gun ? >>> unrestricted of course .. >> >> This cop is blowing smoke and doesnt know what he`s talking about . he >> doesnt even know the law and these are the type of people that are >> supposed to enforce the law??? give me a break. >> ED/ON >> >>I think the article stated his wife was driving around shopping with the >>gun in the back seat. I'm thinking she doesn't have a licence and that is >>what the cops are considering > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:01:08 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Which is why . . > Subject: Political Correctness.. > > There is an annual contest at the University of Arkansas calling for > the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's > term was: "Political Correctness." > > The winner wrote: > > "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, > illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous > mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is > entirely possible to pick up a piece of $hit by the clean end. " > > which is why we have gun control . . > Following several multiple murders, and several solitary murders, some people decided that the new kids: our present day punks, should be shut down by enacting feel good laws, laws which made a lot of noise, grabbed the front stage, cost enormous sums, and failed to one thing for which it was foisted upon an obtuse public. The latest proof of failures was the beating death of a 15 year old girl, Delta .. and the possession of a firearm by another 15 year old, during the multiple shots fired robbery of Monte Cristo Jewellers in Oakridge. Why cite these two ? Crimes aren't always 'caused' by guns . Actually, you didn't need reminding . . guns don't commit crimes. They do, however, save lives . . ( I knew you knew that . . ) My long expired friend once said: '' there must be something wrong with my guns . . they haven't left the house and killed anyone'' So, the lead item counts: you can't pick up gun control by the clean end. Gun control is like a tar-ball with fishhooks, once you embrace it, you're ripped. It's all crap. Guess who crapped on the citizens, and guess who lacks the TP to clean it up? Can you say 'politicians' ? Can you say Chiefs of Police? Can you say media? I knew you could . . Len Miller from Vancouver where the criminals are showing us how well gun control is working . . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 15:01:31 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Report finds one large trade triggered May 6 market plunge *NFR* [Scary world. How can one protect their piggy bank against a frigging computer] Report finds one large trade triggered May 6 market plunge Oct 01 2010 Marcy Gordon Associated Press > http://www.thestar.com/business/article/869395--report-finds-one-large-trade-triggered-may-6-market-plunge WASHINGTON—A trading firm’s use of a computer sell order triggered the May 6 U.S. market plunge, which sent the Dow Jones industrial average plunging nearly *1,000* points in less than a half-hour, federal regulators said Friday. A report by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission determined that the so-called “flash crash” occurred when the trading firm executed a *computerized* selling program in an already stressed market. The firm’s trade, worth US$4.1 billion, led to a chain of events the ended with market players swiftly pulling their money from stock market, the report said. The report does not name the trading firm. But only one trade that day fit the description in the report. The firm Waddell & Reed, based in Overland Park, Kan., has acknowledged making such a trade that day. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:31:44 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work no apologies required but accepted. I make mistakes all the time too ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tliner" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > my understanding of this was wrong. i stand corrected. i found all > considered for antiques must be 1898 and prior. sorry mred > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mred" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> From: "tliner" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:36 AM >> Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work >> >> >>> Depends what he considers an antique mred. I have a luger and a >>> browning I consider antique but both have to be registered. >> >> "The ones you are talking about have to be in the category of no >> ammunition of any kind available" >> >> You are mistaken in this regard; I have two antique pistols that were >> not registered and ammunition is available although its pricey. >> snipped << ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [none] - --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Lee Jasper wrote: > [Scary world. How can one protect > their piggy bank against a frigging > computer] > > Report finds one large trade triggered May 6 market plunge I thought there were computer programs at the NYSE to specifically *prevent* such a collapse from happening... Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:08:17 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: letter to Calgary Herald (just sent) Good letter Rob: > Long-gun registry on target for safety by Naomi Lakritz (fwd) > If on the other hand, you don't register a firearm, or you simply allow > your license to lapse while you are in possession of firearms, you have > met the all the criteria to be declared a criminal under section 91 & 92 > of the Criminal Code of Canada. This in the absence of any action on your > part. Yesterday you were law abiding, but today you are a menace because > the law decrees it. Methinks the difference might be in the symbolic thought that the gun owner might become befuddled with Alzheimer's and take old Betsy and shoot out the belfry in the steeple across town. By comparison, the ole Ford becomes pretty harmless once the battery goes dead or the gas goes bad in a month. (Mind, ya can't keep it there beside the garage for very long anyhow; 'cause once the registration expires you'll have the city bylaw folk on your case over the derelict vehicle intruding on your side-yard setback allowance. Ain't life a b1tch). This is somewhat tongue-in-cheek but all kinds of things are learned through song and metaphorical writing. Just a fairy tale type question tho. . . If by some miraculous turn of events, the Harperites managed to role back the clock and return Canucks to the FAC regime (which based on all the speeches I've documented there's nary indication they will do) . . . . but just supposing . . . (My fall-back position is former ON SolGen and now Senator 'Law and Order' Bob Runciman stating, "There's NO appetite for getting rid of licencing)." What'll the RFC do when it's faced with mandatory, maintain the FAC for the entire period during which a gun owner is in possession of firearms. Maintain the requirement to register everything, maintain the new enhanced screening for restricted owners, maintain the ever-vigilant continuous supervision by CFOs via CPIC, etc., etc. (That sounds like a PCOC or a PAL in another name). I realize there's some view that if one has let an FAC or PAL/POL expire, , , the records also disintegrate. (But then us ole buggers don't understand how cum when we delete something from our 'puter, that there's still an image which can be recovered by the spooks). Between Hard Dives and microfiche we're S.O.L. Some people still don't understand how Baird's Urban elite big city cops in Peel and Toronto tracked all those folk with memory lapses. Heck these folk even forgot that they were compulsively law abiding. After learning the OPP spent, was it $3.7 Mil to rent a building in Orillia for a few days for the G20's Integrated Security Force Hdqrs, . . . this might well be the final 'tipping point' for a coalition take over. Mind, I'm just musing. . . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 19:34:32 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: letter to Calgary Herald (just sent) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: letter to Calgary Herald (just sent) > Good letter Rob: > >> Long-gun registry on target for safety by Naomi Lakritz (fwd) > > > Some people still don't understand how Baird's Urban elite big city cops > in Peel and Toronto tracked all those folk with memory lapses. Heck > these folk even forgot that they were compulsively law abiding. > > After learning the OPP spent, was it $3.7 Mil to rent a building in > Orillia for a few days for the G20's Integrated Security Force Hdqrs, . > . . this might well be the final 'tipping point' for a coalition take > over. > > Mind, I'm just musing. . . Well lets see now,? Harper says he will go after those who have Swiss bank accounts and didnt declare the income for taxes? I would hope that includes B.S. Brian Mulruiney as well as the others who are trying to keep what they`ve earned from the tax man . NO EXCEPTIONS~!!!!!! Unfortunately the working man cant do that. It would seem to make sense to cut taxes on the rich so they wouldn't seek tax shelters ?I would think no-one (up to the farcical spending of the G-8&G-20 )wouldn't mind paying SOME ? taxes ? IT INDICATES TO ME THAT TAXES ARE MUCH TOO HIGH THAT'S WHY THE RICH SEEK SHELTERS . That should be obvious to the government ? From what I hear on the street everyone seems to indicate that we are taxed too much and the money is spent unwisely and foolishly without regards to the blood sweat and tears of those who are forced by threat of extortion to pay the taxes. Perhaps if the politicians paid a little more attention to the real world instead of sitting in their gold plated ivory towers and telling us what to do they might take the leadership and show us by example what should be done. However that would be in a perfect world , which we do not have today. I notice they quite quickly refused to take a pay and benefits cut when the effluent hit the fan in `08? It would have been incumbent on them to show some empathy for the workers who pay their overvalued wages. NOW that~! WOULD HAVE BEEN LEADERSHIP. All we have in parliament today is a bunch of lap dogs, who do their masters bidding without a yelp. Yes I am pi**ed off with the 1 billion spent for a two day party for politicians and their preferred CPC contractors .I just wonder ? How much of that money was kickbacks? WHEN WILL CANADIANS EVER LEARN TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES ?what a bunch of woosies~!!!! The Lieberals cant hold a candle to the CPC when it comes to spending money that isn't theirs and they didnt have to work for it ? The only thing the CPC had going for it was eliminating C-68 and now that's down the tubes as well? All you hear from them now is the same old, same old "if we get a majority at the next election we will get rid of the gun registry.." But that's not C-68? That's a begging plea to suck us in again to vote CPC. Like I said before" fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame on us." Well the Libertarians have it in their CONSTITUTION ~!!!!!!THAT LAWFUL; CITIZENS MAY OWN GUNS AND CCW. rant mode off Ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 18:49:21 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down At 05:48 AM 10/2/2010 -0700, you wrote: >http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/103659789.html > >Gun transfer triggers take-down > >By Chris Bush - Nanaimo News Bulletin >Published: September 23, 2010 2:00 PM > >Nanaimo Mounties responded with guns drawn after a woman handed her >husband his shotgun Thursday. > >The incident happened shortly before 11 a.m. when a woman, running errands >at Country Club Centre, parked her car and discovered her husband’s >shotgun in the vehicle. > >She called for him to come and pick it up, but when he transferred the gun >to his pickup, a passerby took notice of the weapon and called police. > >Officers stopped the truck on the Island Highway’s southbound lanes near >the Dorman Road intersection, blocked traffic and ordered the man out of >his truck with guns drawn. > >It turned out the lever-action shotgun was properly registered and there >was no malice or intent to do any harm. > >Police removed the handcuffs and returned the gun to the man, who put it >back in his truck and left the scene. > >“They’re more embarrassed than anything else,” said Const. Gary O’Brien, >Nanaimo RCMP spokesman. “They’ll probably think twice next time before >going shopping and leaving firearms in the car.” > >Police have yet to determine if any charges are pending from the incident. > >“The question is how was it being transported and why,” said O’Brien. “You >can’t just transport firearms without proper authorization.” Actually you can. If there is a trigger lock on the gun and it is out of sight then a wife without a Firearms license can transport the gun as the trigger lock disables the gun - same as the trigger lock is the minimum standard to disable a gun for storage at home. A spouse is present in both cases. (see Canadian Firearms Safety Course for minimum storage rules). It is the R.C.M.P. who should be embarrassed and possibly laying charges against the person who called in the complaint if there was NO CRIME BEING COMMITTED. IT was a waste of officers time and the money to answer the call - taking the officers attention away from real criminal matters. If I were the victim (The gun owner in this case) I would be filing a complaint for false arrest with the RCMP. The man is very lucky he did not get tasered. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:06:12 -0400 From: tliner Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down i'm sorry but this makes absolutely no sense at all. your saying this guys wife, with no pol, pal or any type of licence can charge around town with her husbands guns as long as they have trigger locks on them? this is beyond ludicrous. what's to stop her from stopping, unlocking them and suddenly ( pardon my french) taking a pms spell and going postal ? or a reversal, if the wife has the licence and her hubby happens to be a gangbanger unknown to the law who decides to off his competition? if this is the law then it shows how truly stupid our gun laws are - ----- Original Message ----- From: <10x@telus.net> To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down > At 05:48 AM 10/2/2010 -0700, you wrote: > >>http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/103659789.html >> >>Gun transfer triggers take-down >> >>By Chris Bush - Nanaimo News Bulletin >>Published: September 23, 2010 2:00 PM >> >>Nanaimo Mounties responded with guns drawn after a woman handed her >>husband his shotgun Thursday. >> >>The incident happened shortly before 11 a.m. when a woman, running >>errands at Country Club Centre, parked her car and discovered her >>husband's shotgun in the vehicle. >> >>She called for him to come and pick it up, but when he transferred the >>gun to his pickup, a passerby took notice of the weapon and called >>police. >> >>Officers stopped the truck on the Island Highway's southbound lanes near >>the Dorman Road intersection, blocked traffic and ordered the man out of >>his truck with guns drawn. >> >>It turned out the lever-action shotgun was properly registered and there >>was no malice or intent to do any harm. >> >>Police removed the handcuffs and returned the gun to the man, who put it >>back in his truck and left the scene. >> >>"They're more embarrassed than anything else," said Const. Gary O'Brien, >>Nanaimo RCMP spokesman. "They'll probably think twice next time before >>going shopping and leaving firearms in the car." >> >>Police have yet to determine if any charges are pending from the >>incident. >> >>"The question is how was it being transported and why," said >>O'Brien. "You can't just transport firearms without proper >>authorization." > > > Actually you can. If there is a trigger lock on the gun and it is out of > sight then a wife without a Firearms license can transport the gun as the > trigger lock disables the gun - same as the trigger lock is the minimum > standard to disable a gun for storage at home. A spouse is present in > both cases. (see Canadian Firearms Safety Course for minimum storage > rules). > > It is the R.C.M.P. who should be embarrassed and possibly laying charges > against the person who called in the complaint if there was NO CRIME > BEING COMMITTED. IT was a waste of officers time and the money to > answer the call - taking the officers attention away from real criminal > matters. > > If I were the victim (The gun owner in this case) I would be filing a > complaint for false arrest with the RCMP. The man is very lucky he did > not get tasered. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 21:13:37 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: [none] At 05:37 AM 10/2/2010 -0700, you wrote: >Subject: "TorStar - Duke of York killer gun changed hands several times, >trial told" > >http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/868891--duke-of-york-killer->gun-changed-hands-several-times-trial-told > >Duke of York killer gun changed hands several times, trial told > >Published On Thu Sep 30 2010 >Betsy Powell Courts Bureau > >The gunman who fatally shot an innocent bystander outside a bar used a >firearm smuggled from the U.S. that is now linked to a 2005 shooting in >Toronto’s west end, a jury heard Thursday. > >The 9mm semi-automatic was eventually recovered, fully loaded and ready to >fire, in a teenager’s bedroom in Regent Park about six weeks after the >Oct. 25, 2008, shooting at the Duke of York tavern on Queen St. E. > >Senior firearms expert Michael Press told Superior Court about the >transient nature of illegal firearms which often change hands for cash or >in trade for drugs. > >He was testifying at the first-degree murder trial of Kyle Weese, 27, who >has pleaded not guilty. The Crown alleges he fatally shot 23-year-old >Bailey Zaveda while aiming at a man after an argument inside the tavern. >Four other bar patrons were wounded during a barrage of gunfire. > >The jury heard no evidence linking Weese to the other incidents involving >the weapon. > >Press, a Toronto Police Service civilian employee currently seconded to >the RCMP, traced the history of the large, black Tressitu pistol model >TZ99. So could the Chiefs of Police tell us how the gun registry and the gun owners licensing system stopped these criminals from getting this gun? And once they got the gun, just how did the legislation prevent the crimes they commited with it? Omce again the gun legislation has failed in Canada. Not even a complete prohibiton on ALL firearms would have stopped thes miscreants. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 21:14:44 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Allan Rock Congratulates David Johnston *NFR* At 10:08 AM 10/2/2010 -0600, you wrote: >http://www.media.uottawa.ca/mediaroom/news-details_2037.html > >Allan Rock Congratulates David Johnston on > >His Appointment as Canada's Next Governor > >OTTAWA, July 8, 2010 - University of Ottawa President Allan Rock today >expressed delight and extended warmest congratulations to David Johnston >following the Prime Minister's announcement that President Johnston is to >be the 28th Governor General of Canada. > >"David Johnston is an inspired choice for the office of Governor General >of Canada," said Allan Rock. "It has been my very great privilege to know >and work with David Johnston in various capacities over many years. I am >proud to call him a friend. He has a deep commitment to Canada and a >strong sense of public service. He is an outstanding scholar and a >remarkable Canadian, who will carry out this new and important role with >energy and distinction." An endorsement by Mr. Rock is not a good thing. Already I'm suspicious of this man's intentions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Calgary Herald - Letters - Oct 3/10 [I guess Naomi didn't like my letter...BNM] http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/letters/Self+defence/3616595/story.html Self-defence By Jennifer Dadson, Calgary Herald October 3, 2010 There are many disturbing components in Naomi Lakritz's column. However, one of her statements deserves special attention. She states that the justice system and the police are representatives of the government. The police and the courts are representatives of the people, and their role is to enforce laws, not to create them. One of the most alarming arguments to come out of the debate on the long-gun registry is the one Lakritz uses: "The police like it, so it must be good." The police may like it, but that doesn't mean they are right. The RCMP have been abusing the power that has been granted to them. They have been using the registry to seize legally owned guns from innocent citizens without compensation for the last 15 years. Gun owners have had enough. The police and the courts have power because the people, not the government, grant it to them. It is our job as citizens to keep that power in check. People need to remember that the duty of police and the courts is to maintain order, not to keep us safe. Our personal safety and wellbeing are entirely in our own hands. That includes keeping ourselves safe from the police and the courts as well. Jennifer Dadson, Vancouver http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/letters/Listen+Iggy/3616587/story.html Listen to Iggy By Robert S. Sciuk, Calgary Herald October 3, 2010 Re: "Long-gun registry on target for safety," Naomi Lakritz, Opinion, Oct. 1. Naomi Lakritz invokes the spectre of the "collective good" to rationalize car registration, and that's fine, so far as it goes, because according to Stats Can, you are far more likely to be killed by a car or medical misadventure than you are to be shot. There is a big difference between automotive and firearm registration, and it seems to have evaded Lakritz entirely. If you don't register your car, you are not allowed to drive it on a public thoroughfare, no fine, no penalty, no nothing. Keep it in your driveway as long as you like, no problem. If you don't register a firearm, or you allow your licence to lapse while you are in possession of firearms, you have met all the criteria to be declared a criminal under sections 91 and 92 of the Criminal Code. This in the absence of any action on your part. Yesterday, you were law abiding, but today you are a menace because the law decrees it. This subtle difference entitles you to be charged, fined and incarcerated for up to 10 years in a federal prison, and to enjoy financial ruin in the process of defending yourself against what amounts to a political crime of firearm ownership. Perhaps this distinction will help you to understand why millions of Canadians still resist the unjust and unwarranted criminalization brought about by the Liberals' Canadian Firearms Act. Even Michael Ignatieff has admitted that the law needs to be reformed. Robert S. Sciuk, Oshawa, Ont. http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/letters/Just+reason/3616584/story.html Just one reason By Wayne Lymburner, Calgary Herald October 3, 2010 Naomi Lakritz's premise is a fallacious argument. The intent of registering a motor vehicle was for taxation or the generation of revenue, whereas the gun registry was created for one reason -- confiscation. By her logic, we should be registering anything and everything that can be adapted to be used as a weapon. I would also point out that the registry of firearms has nothing to do with law and order. Gun control is not crime control, since those who have firearms are ordinary law-abiding citizens. Wayne Lymburner, Grimsby, Ont. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #114 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)