Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, October 4 2010 Volume 14 : Number 117 In this issue: Re: CITY-TV - StreetBeat- October 2- Shots Fired Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 I’ve done the math, and HST wins *NFR* Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 I have Done The Math Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 Chavez: Civilian militia should be armed full-time Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #115 Ruger stainless Blackhawk 357 LETTER: Consequences of gun registry are not benign ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:02:13 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: CITY-TV - StreetBeat- October 2- Shots Fired At 01:30 PM 10/3/2010 -0700, you wrote: > >http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/95520--streetbeat-october-2-shots-fired > >StreetBeat- October 2- Shots Fired > >2010/10/02 | CityNews.ca Staff > >Toronto police are searching for suspects after shots were fired >into a car at Dundas and River St. overnight Saturday. > >An older and younger man, reportedly a father and son, were riding >in a car around 12:30am when two bullets struck their vehicle at 246 >Sackville Street. > >Police have found shell casings in the area and have also >recovered surveillance video from a nearby building. > >At this point, there's no word on any suspects. > >Anyone with information is asked to contact 51 division at >(416) 808-5100 or Crime Stoppers at (416) 222-TIPS. Once more the gun owners licensing scheme and gun registry scheme FAILS! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:14:27 -0600 From: "Barry Snow" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 tliner, Antiques do not require registration. Ammo available or not. Shot my last deer with an unregisterable Martini-Henry. Doesn't matter what you think is antique. I have a firearm 102 years old...not antique. Barry > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:36:00 -0400 > From: tliner > Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > > Depends what he considers an antique mred.I have a luger and a browning I > consider antique but both have to be registered. The ones you are talking > about have to be in the category of no ammunition of any kind available > > - --------- Original Message ---------- > From: "mred" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work > >> You are a >sipped< as antiques are not required to be registered >> and ANY legitimate gun owner KNOWS this . >> >> You are also a fake. You dont have any guns or you wouldn't make such a >> stupid statement. >> >> Your whole post is fabricated. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bruce Mills" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:04 PM >> Subject: Moncton T&T - Letter - Gun registry just won't work >> >>> http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/search/article/1243406 >>> >>> Gun registry just won't work >>> >>> To The Editor: >>> >>> I have followed the gun registry debate with some interest. I have two >>> antique pistols fully registered which I have never fired. They are >>> antiques. So this will answer those who may say I have a personal bias. >>> >snip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 23:02:41 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: I’ve done the math, and HST wins *NFR* [The one issue that may pillory Teflon McGuinty in another year and is currently causing a huge outcry in BC. It also points to how little many voters understand about the rationale beyond the headlines]. Dear readers: I’ve done the math, and HST wins Tony Wilson Vancouver— Special to Globe and Mail Update Sep. 28, 2010 > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/your-business/start/tony-wilson /dear-readers-ive-done-the-math-and-hst-wins/article1729764/singlepage/#articlecontent My last column on HST generated, at last count, 210 comments (most of them in strong disagreement) and a number of e-mails, some questioning my parentage, my politics and my sanity. Others congratulated me for a great article, but they advised me to seek a bodyguard for my protection. In this column I’ll address five of my favourite comments. Every writer has biases. Here are mine: I’m not a thug or a propagandist for the B.C. or Ontario Liberals. Over my lifetime I have voted for the federal Liberals, the federal PC party, the Socreds, the B.C. Liberals, the Ontario NDP, the Ontario Tories, the Rhinoceros party and, once or twice, “none of the above.” I couldn’t care less which party brought in the HST. If it’s a good tax that keeps businesses employing Canadians and it helps pay for our spiralling health care and education costs, I’m for it. I agree the B.C. Liberals did a pathetic job of introducing the tax. It should have been an election issue or debated in the legislature. Said one reader: “It’s not so much the tax, it is lying about the tax that sticks in everyone's throat.” Said another: “The issue is about how the tax was brought in, that the government lied about it.” The optics of announcing the new tax a week or two after winning the election, and without campaigning on it, are not good. Someone should lose their job over how this was done, and if the polls have anything to say about it, someone will. Now that I’ve dealt with 180 of the comments, let’s turn to the ones about the tax itself. Lets assume, at least in B.C., that it was debated in the legislature and not brought in by the current premier or the current party. Like Joe Friday said, lets just look at the facts: 1. “It’s not fair to the poor and the unemployed. Lawyers and economists can afford this tax. A lot of the rest of us can't.” Actually, if you do the math, low income British Columbians are actually better off under the HST system than under the old PST regime. Lets run some numbers to prove it. Under the PST system, British Columbians whose annual income was $15,000 or less, received a $75 PST credit (not cash) when they filed their annual income tax return. And this $75 PST credit declined by 2 per cent of gross individual income above $15,000 a year, meaning you received no credit once your taxable income reached $18,750. There’s a similar credit with HST. But under HST, more low-income earners will receive more money. First, the income threshold at which the credit starts to be “phased out” is higher for the B.C. HST credit ($20,000 for single individuals, and higher still for families with dependents). Second, the credit is $230 a year, not $75 a year as it was with the former PST credit. In other words, the HST credit is more than three times that of the current PST credit. And the HST credit is indexed to inflation. The PST credit wasn’t. Third, this $230 HST credit is paid in cold hard cash, in advance, every quarter to qualifying individuals. This means qualifying individuals began receiving $57.50 every quarter starting July, 2010. They then receive an additional payment of $57.50 in October, January, and April. Compare this with the $75 PST credit that is only creditable once a year, and was applied against any income tax owing by the individual. So if there’s no HST after Sept. 14, 2011, I guess there’s no more $230 a year in cash to low-income earners, is there? What would you rather have? A $75 tax credit, or $230 cash in your jeans? 2. “The HST has shifted a huge tax burden from business to middle-class consumers – the people who really pay the bills in B.C.” Personal income tax rates for “middle class consumers” have decreased 25 per cent across the board since 2001 in B.C. What this means is that if you live in B.C. and you earn less than $115,000 a year, you pay less income tax than an Albertan earning the same amount because Alberta has a flat 10-per-cent tax. And if you earn less than $71,719, you are paying substantially less provincial income tax in BC than an Albertan who earns the same amount. So when someone complains about the HST being a middle-class “tax grab,” that person should also know that the “middle class” in B.C. is paying far less income tax in 2010 than it did in 1999. I’m pretty sure the middle class doesn’t want its provincial income tax to go back up 25 per cent, does it? 3. This tax rewards large companies for exporting jobs and raw resources to countries like India and China. But because all companies (large and small) will be able to claim the input tax credits on the additional 7 per cent or 8 per cent of HST (depending on whether you’re in B.C. or Ontario), businesses are more likely to keep jobs in HST jurisdictions than export them. The elimination of PST and its replacement with the HST is designed to keep businesses in Ontario and B.C. because they don’t have to swallow the 7 per cent or 8 per cent PST any more. It’s also designed to help budding (and experienced) entrepreneurs to start their own businesses and hire more people. Consider the following (again, doing the math): You’ve just been laid off from your job because of the economic downturn and you decide to start your own business. You go out and spend $3,000 to purchase a new computer, printer and software. Under the PST system, the province would charge you an additional $210 in sales tax, regardless of the fact you haven’t even started your business and you haven’t earned a penny. But under HST, the government still charged you $210 in sales tax (the 7 per cent in B.C.) on top of the 5 per cent GST, but because you’re buying the computer, printer and software for purposes of gaining and producing income — that is, you’re buying it for business purposes — the government gives the $210 back. You are only taxed once you have started your business, earned a profit, and then taken the profits out of your business to spend on goods and services for personal consumption. 4. “This is a massive tax grab taxing us to death…” The HST is revenue neutral for the B.C. provincial government. If anything, there is some concern that the switch from PST to HST may actually reduce the total sales-tax revenues the province receives in the first few years following harmonization. This is why the $1.6 billion in financial assistance from the federal government was so important to the province in order to convince B.C. to harmonize with the GST/HST. Virtually all goods that individuals purchased in BC under the old PST were already subject to the 7 per cent sales tax, as well as key services such as telephone, long distance, cable, and repair services. The only significant change is that “pure” services — such as haircuts, restaurant meals, and accounting and consulting services — will become subject to the additional 7 per cent provincial tax under HST. However, barbers, restaurateurs, and accountants will now be able to recover the 7 per cent sales tax they pay on their inputs, thereby reducing their costs of delivering these services. Yes, it is naive to assume you’ll see the cost of your haircuts or dining out drop by 7 per cent, but to describe HST as a “massive tax grab” is a gross exaggeration. HST will result in British Columbians paying 7 per cent tax on about 20 per cent more of the goods and services they purchase — that’s 7 per cent of 20 per cent, or about 1.4-per-cent more. But if I had a choice between a 1.4-per-cent increase in the amount of sales tax I paid versus paying 1.4-per-cent more in income tax, I say tax me when I spend my money (sales tax), not when I earn it (income tax). If you don’t tax me when I earn my money, I can choose to pay down my debt or save my money, and therefore pay no tax, but if you increase my income tax, I pay tax regardless of what I do with my money. 5. My favourite comment: “Best editorial I've read yet on HST … but as a resident of Ontario whose business is in direct competition with companies in BC, I would welcome the new businesses that would end up in Ontario if B.C. repeals the tax. So come on BC, repeal that tax!” This comment was echoed by Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty, when he said “there's no doubt about it, it would give us (Ontario) a competitive advantage.” HST benefits average working British Columbians because it means businesses will now choose to locate their operations in B.C. as opposed to elsewhere in Canada and will bring the jobs that come with them. When Ontario announced it was harmonizing with the federal GST/HST and eliminating its sales tax, it gained a significant tax advantage over B.C. If BC had not followed suit to eliminate PST and harmonize with the HST, there would have been a significant incentive for businesses – particularly hi-tech and the film industry – to relocate or choose to locate in Ontario. (The computers, software, computer servers, and equipment used by these industries are all subject to PST.) If that had happened, these businesses would have taken all of those jobs along with them. So if you’re in B.C.’s busy film industry, or its high-tech sector, your jobs could well have moved to Ontario had B.C. remained a PST jurisdiction after Ontario became an HST province. The final benefit of HST over PST is that we’ll become an even better jurisdiction than the United States to do business in. The United States remains the last country among all the OECD member nations to impose sales-and-use taxes (PST) as opposed to a value-added tax (HST). HST gives British Columbia, Ontario and other HST jurisdictions in Canada a significant competitive advantage over the United States. If you’re a foreign company looking to do business in North America, with HST, British Columbia and Ontario suddenly become very attractive alternatives to Washington State, California, New York, or anywhere else in the lower 48 where business has to swallow the state and local sales tax and not get anything back for it. Attracting foreign investment to British Columbia not only brings high-quality, well-paying jobs to the province, but for the provincial government, it generates tax revenues that help pay for education and health care and all the things everyone expects government to do. As I promised, those are the facts. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:45:10 -0400 From: tliner Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 yes mred has already corrected me - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Snow" To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 > tliner, > Antiques do not require registration. Ammo available or not. Shot my last > deer with an unregisterable Martini-Henry. Doesn't matter what you think > is antique. I have a firearm 102 years old...not antique. > Barry >snipped< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:26:45 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: I have Done The Math I DONT FOLLOW HOW THIS APPLIES TO ONTARIO. MOST OF THIS HYPERBOLE IS IN REAGRDS TO B.C. How does increasing any tax on more goods be cheaper for the consumer? Logic just doesnt apply. Another instance : hydro and heating costs; This affects seniors and stay at home moms/dads/unemployed because ?? They are at home in the expensive time of these utilities. They can't turn them down like couples who go out to work all day, come home turn on the utilities for a few hours then retire and turn down the utilities again. And where are the jobs Mcguinty promised us? in the amount of 550,000 new jobs? I asked him which companies would be hiring since I needed to go back to work because I couldnt afford the HST by staying at home, and I lost most of my income when the Income Trusts went south. I have yet to recieve a reply. This was in July 2010 And the $300.00 that I received to compensate me for the HST? that was a one shot deal and has already been recovered by the government in HST fees. And thats only in 3 months since the GST was instituted. This article is so much bull manure I cant believe this man/women is living in the real world ? ed/on - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:02 PM Subject: I’ve done the math, and HST wins *NFR* > [The one issue that may pillory Teflon McGuinty in another year and is > currently causing a huge outcry in BC. It also points to how little many > voters understand about the rationale beyond the headlines]. > > Dear readers: I’ve done the math, and HST wins > > Tony Wilson Vancouver— Special to Globe and Mail Update Sep. 28, 2010 > >> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/your-business/start/tony-wilson > /dear-readers-ive-done-the-math-and-hst-wins/article1729764/singlepage/#articlecontent > > My last column on HST generated, at last count, 210 comments (most of > them in strong disagreement) and a number of e-mails, some questioning > my parentage, my politics and my sanity. Others congratulated me for a > great article, but they advised me to seek a bodyguard for my protection. > > In this column I’ll address five of my favourite comments. >snipped for length/repeat info< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:27:58 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 A lot of posters dont read my "crap" becuase they have put me in their spam folder; thats why the double correction. Dont be offended, their bad not yours. ed/on - -------- Original Message -------- From: "tliner" To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 > yes mred has already corrected me > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Snow" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:14 PM > Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 > >> tliner, >> Antiques do not require registration. Ammo available or not.Shot my last >> deer with an unregisterable Martini-Henry. Doesn't matter what you think >> is antique. I have a firearm 102 years old...not antique. >> Barry >>snipped< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:40:43 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Chavez: Civilian militia should be armed full-time http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/03/AR2010100303313_pf.html Chavez: Civilian militia should be armed full-time By IAN JAMES The Associated Press Sunday, October 3, 2010; 6:55 PM CARACAS, Venezuela -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that members of the country's civilian militia should be issued weapons to be armed and ready at all times. The Bolivarian Militia is a force of volunteers ranging from students to retirees formed in recent years by Chavez, who says it is a crucial component of the nation's defenses. Until now, members of the militia have regularly trained at weekend boot camps, but their guns have usually been locked away in military depots when not in use. "Who has seen a militia without weapons?" Chavez said during his Sunday television and radio program. He said he was surprised when he met some militiamen standing guard recently and learned they had no guns. (READ MORE: Chavez fails to reach critical 2/3 majority in National Assembly) "The militias are the people with weapons in hand," Chavez told an audience including military officers and high-ranking officials in rural Guarico state. "We need to break old paradigms because we're still seeing the militias as if they were a complementary force, some battalions that get together once a month over there, or go and march somewhere," Chavez said. "No, buddy. The militia is a permanent territorial unit and it should be armed, equipped and trained - campesinos, workers." Chavez also suggested that the country should accelerate the formation of militia units. (READ MORE: Is Chavez a threat to the U.S.?) The militia is named after Simon Bolivar, the independence hero who is an inspiration for Chavez, and its members range from housewives to engineers to public employees. Men and women in the militia regularly attend weekend training sessions where they learn to fire cannons, mortars and machine guns. Diosdado Cabello, one of Chavez's longtime confidants, has said the militia comprises about 120,000 fighters and is growing. Chavez, who survived a failed coup in 2002, says the militia should be prepared to defend the country against any threat, foreign or domestic. He has said he believes the United States poses a threat to his oil-exporting country, though U.S. officials strongly deny it. (READ MORE: Leftist politician challenges Chavez's authority) Opponents of the leftist president say the militia is essentially a personal army for Chavez aimed at intimidating his adversaries, maintaining control and keeping him in power. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:00:54 -0400 From: tliner Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 ed---they're loss - -------- Original Message -------- From: "mred" To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #113 > A lot of posters dont read my "crap" becuase they have put me in their > spam folder; thats why the double correction. Dont be offended, their bad > not yours. > ed/on >>>snipped< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:53:33 -0600 From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca (Majordomo) Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #115 > Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 06:20:07 -0600 > From: 10x@telus.net > Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down > > I am saying EXACTLY THAT! > > It states very clearly in the Canadian Firearms Safety Course Manual and tests that a trigger lock is the minimum standard of disabling a firearm that is acceptable for storage in the home. Who cares what the Manual says? That's not the law. Rather than relying on materials published by the RCMP, you might try reading the law. Last time I looked, the RCMP do not make law; regardless what they think or what they put on their website. > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:06:12 -0400 > From: tliner > Subject: Re: Nanaimo News Bulletin - Gun transfer triggers take-down > >> .... your saying this guys wife, with no pol, pal or any type of licence can charge around town with her husbands guns as long as they have trigger locks on them? this is beyond ludicrous. what's to stop her from stopping, unlocking them and suddenly ( pardon my french) taking a pms spell and going postal ? or a reversal, if the wife has the licence and her hubby happens to be a gangbanger unknown to the law who decides to off his competition? >> >> if this is the law then it shows how truly stupid our gun laws are What stops her from going postal with her vehicle and mowing down you and your family in a parking lot? Nothing. Get used to it. If you want to live in a nice, safe bubble I suggest you check in to the nearest insane asylum. Or, do what the rest of us have done - Grow Up. Yes, the laws are stupid. They suit the people who support them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 18:00:55 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: Ruger stainless Blackhawk 357 Here is an email I got from a guy, to whom I sold a Ruger stainless Blackhawk 357. "Hey Robert. Went out to the range yesterday and fired some .357 mag and some .38 spl. Love the gun. Only problem is when i got it home, the ejector rod isn't lining with the cylinder holes anymore. doesnt look bent, but Ill have a better look at it later tonight. Ever had this problem? or heard of it? thanksD" =========================== I dimly remember a problem like that with a single action revolver some years ago, but age and Alzheimer's have dimmed (or dumbed) my memory. The best response I can think is that it was a problem with re-assembly and I can't recall any other details. Can anyone assist me with a solution? Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 4, 2010 12:02 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: LETTER: Consequences of gun registry are not benign DURHAMREGION.COM - OCTOBER 4, 2010 LETTER: Consequences of gun registry are not benign http://newsdurhamregion.com/opinion/article/162942 To the editor: Re: 'Gun owners must obey the law', letter to the editor, newsdurhamregion.com, Sept. 27. Letter writer Robert Sawdon presumes that registration of rifles and shotguns is a benign thing for gun owners. The only such thing about it is the process itself. The consequences that follow are often far from benign. As a result of registration, gun owners are open to police "inspections" of their homes simply because they own firearms. Also, the registry has been used since its inception to confiscate firearms that the Liberals at first, and now the RCMP, have decided to arbitrarily reclassify. This aspect of registration is constantly denied by registry supporters; despite the fact that many people have been stripped of legally acquired, owned, safely used and registered property without compensation. Until such time as people like Mr. Sawdon are open to police searches of their homes for simply owning a car, or subject to having their European sports car confiscated because someone at the Ministry of Transportation decided it looked fast, they have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to the registration of firearms. George Fritz, Garson, Ont. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #117 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)