Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, October 5 2010 Volume 14 : Number 120 In this issue: 12(7) transfer RE: Ruger stainless Blackhawk 357 Re: This is a damn good idea who's time has come.. Re: ...automated response from Iggie's office Calgary Herald - Letters - Oct 5/10 regarding Gov. General David Lloyd Johnston idea who's time has come.. Morinville News - Letter to the editor: Gun registry vote The rise of the Tea Party in Canada? By Susan Delacourt Harperland analyzes PM's inherent unlikability By Don Martin*NFR* FW: C-68: A suggestion from Greg Illebrun, SWF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:42:08 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: 12(7) transfer The problem with the Blackhawk was simply that the new owner was not familiar with the re-assembly. The ejector housing was drooping a bit during re-assembly. That was all it was. Now moving on to your other topic yeah you can leave the 12(6) guns in your will to your "spouse or a brother sister child or grandchild of an individual" as spec in 12(7) but WHY WAIT TO DIE FOR THAT??????? 12(7) does not specify that you should kick the bucket before transfer. Here is 12(7): (7) A particular individual is eligible to hold a licence authorizing the particular individual to possess a particular handgun referred to in subsection (6) that was manufactured before 1946 if the particular individual is the spouse or a brother sister child or grandchild of an individual who was eligible under this or that subsection to hold a licence authorizing the individual to possess the particular handgun. Notice that it doesn't say "in your will" or that you must die first. So, do it now, make the transfer now!! You may not have a 12(6) gun that is made before 1946. In that case, GO BUY ONE. Make that transfer to your wife. Make that transfer to your brother or sister. When it is complete, their sons and daughters are then eligible. That will make a transfer to your nieces and nephews possible. To your question re. your 12(6) guns: it looks like she can never have them since they were not made before 1946. Here's an argument for down the road, after you transfer something pre-1946 to her via 12(7): will her new status as 12(7) facilitate a transfer of a post-1946 gun??? As I say, save that argument for after she has the 12(7) transfer for the pre-1946. (By the way, I have a couple of inexpensive pre-1946 12(6) pistols for sale.) Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* > From: birch_as_in_tree@telus.net > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: re: Blackhawk > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 19:01:01 -0700 > > Jeez, I've always thought of Ruger Blackhawks as unbreakeable and fool > proof. My Vaqueros are. > > My wife just today bought herself a brace of Ruger New Model Blackhawks in > .44 Spl., 4 5/8" barrels. These are on the old .357 sized frame but steel, > instead of alloy. > > She wonders why she can own these, but not my 4" and less 12(6) prohibs > ....... I have heard that if I specify them left to her in my will, she > gets them on a 12(7). > > Is that correct? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:45:56 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: RE: Ruger stainless Blackhawk 357 Thanx for your response. I did experience it myself, but it was so long ago, I could not remember the problem details. Anyway, the new owner wrote me back and figured it out. The ejector rod housing was drooping a bit, at the cylinder end, during re-assembly. It must be held up tight against the barrel while inserting the axis pin. That is all it was. Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* > From: rjs@voyageur.coop > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Re: Ruger stainless Blackhawk 357 > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:20:24 -0500 > > > Can anyone assist me with a solution? > > I had the very same problem with my .357 and after taking it apart 4 or 5 > times I broke down and took it to my local gunsmith. He had not worked > much on hand guns but he cleaned it, oiled her up again (even thou I had > done the same thing) and put it back together for me. It has worked like > a charm ever since. > > Now when I clean it I don't remove the cylinder I just give it a good > cleaning and oiling and put it back in the safe after I shoot it. I wish > I could remember what he figured was the problem but re-aligning seems > to be what comes back to mind. > > Scottie > > Keep the powder dry and shoot straight. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:44:36 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: This is a damn good idea who's time has come.. Well I belong to the NFA, not because I believe so much in them, but its a case of keeping your enemies close, to find out what they are up to or not? ed/on - --------- Original Message --------- From: "Bill" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: This is a damn good idea who's time has come.. > This is what I have emailed to both the CSSA and the NFA > > This is something a LOT of firearms owners would get behind.. > > Please consider it!! I have joined neither the CSSA or the NFA, but would > certainly join if they were combined into ONE effective organization. > > We NEED a Canadian organization that would be very much like the NRA.. > Bill > > . . . . . . . . . . . . > On 10/4/2010 8:38 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: >> Subject: A plea to all members of the CSSA and NFA >> From:"admin@canadacarry.org" >> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 07:00:30 -0500 >> >> Dear member of the firearms community, >> >> I am writing these lines while trying to remain as non-partisan as >> possible. The following message addresses itself to members of the CSSA >> and NFA equally. >> >> The focus on firearms will soon fade from the media over the coming days >> now that the vote is over. Now while we can all take a collective sigh of >> relief after having fought so valiantly, it is now time to regroup and >> prepare for the next volley, for the battle of C-391 may have ended but >> the war is far from over. >> >> You can rest assured that we are ONE SCHOOL SHOOTING away from a TOTAL >> FIREARMS BAN. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:38:03 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: ...automated response from Iggie's office Same old same old BS...ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: "Firearms Digest" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:52 AM Subject: FW: ...automated response from Iggie's office > FYI....automated response from Iggie's office after rec'ing our press > release. > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca" > Date: September 28, 2010 10:13:01 AM CDT > To: Nigel Simms > Subject: Fire Arms Registry - Unhappy > > Dear Sir/Madame: > > On behalf of Michael Ignatieff, I would like to acknowledge receipt of > your recent email regarding Parliament’s decision to preserve the life- > saving gun registry. > > Now that the House of Commons has spoken on this issue, we believe that > it is time to move forward and fix the gun registry so that it works for > both rural and urban Canadians. >snipped< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Calgary Herald - Letters - Oct 5/10 http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/Sneering/3623583/story.html Sneering Calgary Herald October 5, 2010 Re: "Long-gun registry on target for safety," Naomi Lakritz, Opinion, Oct. 1. In true elitist fashion, Naomi Lakritz sneers at those who oppose the onerous and draconian Firearms Act, and its bastard spawn, the registry. Our concerns are "silly," she opines. Our arguments are "nonsense," she pontificates. She quotes an RCMP report (about itself!) as if it were gospel. One interesting tidbit is this nugget of wisdom: "The registry is a 'law enforcement tool' for seizing firearms during domestic disputes and it allows police to know about other firearms that may not be registered." How on Earth can the registry tell anyone anything about unregistered guns? Talk about utter nonsense! To top it all off, anyone who disagrees is a "whiner." Bruce N. Mills, Hamilton, Ont http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/Sensible/3623581/story.html Sensible Calgary Herald October 5, 2010 I must congratulate Naomi Lakritz for her column on the gun registry. I agree with her that the government must keep it, as it is quite useful in that it will save lives. It is a very good column, well written and contains many good reasons why the police want the registry retained. I can't imagine why the Harper government wanted it scrapped after all the money that has been spent to start it up and keep it up to date. Makes no sense to Lakritz, the police, the Liberals, the NDP or me. Don Hay, Calgary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:05:20 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: regarding Gov. General David Lloyd Johnston Gov. General David Lloyd Johnston was law teacher and a university administrator his publications http://president.uwaterloo.ca/DJ%20CV/DJ%20CV_2.pdf show interest in securities and policy issues of the Internet. He wrote a piece on the economics of separation, perhaps that is what the press refers to as his asset on constitutional issues. http://www.globaltoronto.com/David+Johnston+sworn+28th+Governor+General/3608781/story.html "While the Harvard graduate's background is in securities law, it's been said that he understands constitutional issues through his involvement in Quebec politics and work on various government reports and should have little trouble if faced with constitutional questions." Law teachers have even been known to be members of the Canadian Bar Association (CBA). The CBA hates guns. For details see http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0395.html Johnston seems to be a gun grabber. Thank you Harper, thank you very much. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:06:11 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: idea who's time has come.. Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:50:21 -0400 From: Bill Subject: This is a damn good idea who's time has come.. We NEED a Canadian organization that would be very much like the NRA.. Bill - -------------------------------------- We NEED a Canadian organization that would be very much like CUFOA. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO.org) is the closest thing to CUFOA that the Americans have. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Morinville News - Letter to the editor: Gun registry vote http://morinvillenews.com/2010/10/04/letter-to-the-editor-gun-registry-vote/ Letter to the editor: Gun registry vote 4 October 2010 Although handguns have been regulated since the 1930s, regulation of rifles and shotguns began in 1977 with the introduction of the Firearms Acquisition Certificate. The laws were further strengthened in 1991, mandatory training courses for gun owners, a 28-day waiting period, stronger screening to acquire firearms, storage restrictions, and a ban on some military weapons. In 1995, additional gun control measures were introduced with Bill C-68 in which the law's requirement for gun owners to obtain a license to own a gun which under the law was renewable every five years and to register the firearms in their possession. To date over 2 million gun owners have licenses and over 7 million firearms are registered. According to a recently completed study by the National Public Health Institute of Quebec there have been three hundred fewer deaths per year since the introduction of legislation that created the registry ten years ago. Two members of the institute, Dr. Pierre Maurice, expert on security and trauma prevention, and Etienne Blais, a criminologist specializing in firearm injury prevention released the study to the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. According to their study, since the Firearms Act came into force in 1998, we have witnessed an average decrease of 250 suicides and 50 homicides by firearms in Canada each year. The researchers found there have not been more suicides and homicides committed by other means. In response to repeated argument about the exorbitant costs of maintaining the registry ($4 million per year), Dr. Maurice said that over 400 million dollars have been saved annually in connection with the reduction in deaths. Approximately 75 per cent of deaths involving firearms are suicides, added Etienne Blais. With the registry, police can identify people who may use firearms against themselves and against members of their households. While there has been considerable focus on the problems of illegal guns, most women killed with guns are killed with legally owned guns, particularly rifles and shotguns. One in three women killed by their husbands and most (88 per cent) of them with legally owned rifles and shotguns. Alberta Council of Women's Shelters reported that a shelter worker estimated that at least 40 per cent of her clients had been threatened with a gun. In a national poll conducted by Harris-Decima and reported in the Globe and Mail stated that 58 per cent of respondents felt the long gun registry should be kept while 33 per cent felt it should be abolished. A margin of 65 per cent of urban and suburban women think keeping the registry makes more sense than 26 per cent that are for scrapping it. It is not city-born, city living folks who are asking for this registry to continue, says Lyda Fuller, Executive Director of YWCA Yellowknife, it is Northern women who fear for their lives and their mental health who are asking for protection. We see women who have experienced years of brutal intimidation. Women have told us that the guns used here in the North predominantly for hunting that is, long guns are also used to intimidate, subdue and control them. We hear this over and over again, in small communities without RCMP and in larger communities with RCMP. These women cannot safely express their need for protection themselves, and it is up to Canada to understand this and respond in an appropriate way. YWCA Canada's local Member Associations operate 31 shelters across the country, serving rural and urban populations. The MPs voted on second reading in the house to send the bill (Bill C-391) to abolish the registry to committee and to hear from expert witnesses on whether to pass the bill, recommend changes to the bill or recommends defeat of the bill. After hearing from expert witnesses, from public groups and ordinary Canadians, on third reading, a majority of MPs voted not to abolish the registry. Rob Fox Liberal Candidate Westlock-St. Paul editor@morinvillenews.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, October 5, 2010 1:56 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: The rise of the Tea Party in Canada? By Susan Delacourt TORONTO STAR - OCTOBER 5, 2010 The rise of the Tea Party in Canada? By Susan Delacourt, Ottawa Bureau http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/870697--the-rise-of-the-tea-party-in-canada OTTAWA-A Canadian version of the Tea Party movement could have an important impact on politics in this country, according to a new poll. But the anger and frustration that would drive this movement would come from across the political spectrum, the poll shows, with potential Canadian Tea Partiers even divided on whether the long-gun registry is a good idea. That wide gulf within the angry electorate would be difficult to organize into a political party, the poll shows. About 19 per cent of voters would join a Canadian-style Tea Party, says the poll carried out last weekend by the Harris-Decima survey firm. "So obviously if a Tea Party formed and competed in electoral contests, that could be an important dynamic," pollster Bruce Anderson told an Ottawa gathering on Monday night. "But we don't see that on the radar screen right now." When Harris-Decima asked about frustration and anger with government and elites-the driving force behind the ascending Tea Party movement in the United States-it found those sentiments alive in Canada too. A full 57 per cent of poll respondents said they were frustrated with government and elites, while a smaller, but considerable 39 per cent said they would describe themselves as angry. But they're not just Conservatives, Anderson found. Among those who would like to see a Canadian Tea Party, 33 per cent would vote today for Conservatives, 24 per cent would vote for the Liberals and 18 per cent would vote for the New Democratic Party. Demographically, it's easier to paint a typical portrait of a potential Tea Partier in Canada, according to Anderson: it's a male voter in British Columbia or Ontario, between the ages of 45 and 54, earning between $60,000 to $80,000 a year. But that's where generalizations end. When Harris-Decima asked whether Canadian Tea Party wannabes would abolish the gun registry, 47 per cent agreed with the idea but a full 55 per cent did not. Anderson noted: "So far from looking like a Tea Party that has a single, coherent, ideological, pro-right sentiment, we don't see it that way, so we don't have any version of a Canadian Tea Party forming, because how could you bring such different perspectives together?" The ideological schisms within that anger also raises questions, said Anderson, about whether some of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's more controversial initiatives this summer-abolishing the census and the gun registry-are really a straightforward appeal to the angry voter. The Harris-Decima poll was conducted by telephone among 1,000 randomly selected Canadians of voting age and its results are deemed accurate within 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. Anderson presented it as part of his talk to a Canada 2020 meeting at the Chateau Laurier on Monday night, featuring a panel of three prominent Canadian pollsters and analysts, before an audience of mainly politicos and public-policy practitioners. The curiosity about whether the Tea Party could thrive in Canada comes amid a few signs of Tea-Party-style organization in pockets of Canada-a Facebook group with more than 1,400 members, for instance, and a coming rally this fall of the 'Quebec Freedom Network,' which some organizers want to model on the success of the U.S. Tea Party. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, October 5, 2010 2:05 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Harperland analyzes PM's inherent unlikability By Don Martin*NFR* CALGARY HERALD - OCTOBER 5, 2010 Harperland analyzes PM's inherent unlikability By Don Martin, Calgary Herald October 5, 2010 Comments (5) http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Harperland+analyzes+inherent+unlikability/3623562/story.html When the prime minister's spokesman went ballistic on biographer Lawrence Martin, accusing him of being a shameless shill for the Liberals, it bolstered a central premise in the author's new book, Harperland. By reacting first and reading the book later (if ever), Stephen Harper proved he's a brass-knuckled streetfi ghter with a glass jaw. Sprinkled with considerable admiration for Harper's inquisitive intellect and iron-fisted party discipline, Harperland is also a collection of the prime minister's greatest hits -- all of them levelled against real or imagined enemies hiding behind a grassy knoll called Parliament Hill. It's a safe bet the book won't be a stocking stuff er at 24 Sussex Driver this Christmas, but if Harper is capable of reflecting on constructive criticism, he should at least scan Harperland as a potential 276-page guidebook to a Conservative majority. The just-published biography points the way to 155 seats through modest behavioural change by the guy at the top. Some lightened-up personality tweaks, a serious softening of partisan rhetoric and a strict veto on policy containing extraneous ideology could, collectively, elevate Harper into majority contention. It's not the big Conservative picture that has denied Harper the five per cent poll increase he needs for a majority run. It's those small pixels in the picture that distort Harper's features into the irrationally angry face of a man who lies awake at night dreaming up ways to kill Liberals. There's no absence of malice in this prime minister's political conduct. At times, malice is all there is -- the political financing scandal of December 2008 being the best example of unleashing a policy aimed squarely at sabotaging political opponents to the detriment of parliamentary progress. The most devastating aspect of this book, which the PMO's knee jerk condemnation cannot ignore, is how sources for most of the damning insights are operatives who graduated from Harper's inner circle. Former chiefs of staff, a deputy chief of staff, and senior communications, policy advisers and strategists join a former cabinet minister to describe a leader who rules by fear of PMO punishment and loathing of all things Liberal. Perhaps changing Stephen Harper is impossible because that visceral hatred of opponents, which Lawrence Martin's sources find so inexplicably deep, must be encrypted into his DNA by now. What is clear -- and it's a point his own MPs often confide without hesitation -- is how Stephen Harper has profited from a dazzling streak of lucky breaks only to self-sabotage every one with knee jerk jolts of bad judgment aimed at any and all opposition. He has repeatedly dived into deep trouble by advocating measures that never appear in his election platforms, all of it unleashed without advance consultation and egged on internally by cheerleaders who see no evil in any Harper idea and tremble at the thought of speaking hard truth to power, even in the unlikely event their opinion is sought. Couple his random misguided acts -- the long-form census decision and pointless secondary prorogation of Parliament being the most recent examples -- with hatchet jobs on bureaucrats and gags on scientists who dare to stray off script and voter discomfort has risen without any political benefit. The golden rule of this government, first elected on promises of openness and transparency, has been the control, manipulation and selective release of public information. At times, the PMO acts like an Orwellian Ministry of Truth. The total disdain Harper holds for Ottawa journalists, whom he wrongly believes are a monolithic Liberal conspiracy, is not exactly a revelation. Years of whining at his inaccessibility have only increased his media-avoiding travels away from Ottawa. Fair enough. There's no law that says he reports to the national press gallery. (For the record, the only time I've aggressively sought official comment from Mr. Harper was following the death of Calgary Herald reporter Michelle Lang in Kandahar. My request was rejected, a spokesman told me, because it would set a precedent for Mr. Harper to comment every time a reporter was killed. Now THAT'S mean-spirited.) There's nothing wrong with party discipline and message control. Harper's government was elected with a herd of Conservative cats and he harnessed them into lapdog Huskies pulling in tight formation. After the dithers of Paul Martin's reign, Canadians were crying out for a leader with backbone and vision who was also capable of flexibility in dealing with changing circumstances. But voters need to like a party leader before handing over the keys to an all-powerful majority. Until Harperland becomes a more comfortable political destination for the average Canadian, its ruler will live in majority denial. Don Martin is the Herald's political columnist in Ottawa. dmartin@canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, October 5, 2010 2:42 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: FW: C-68: A suggestion from Greg Illebrun, SWF From: Bob Bailey [mailto:robailey@ripnet.com] Sent: October-05-10 9:25 AM To: Outdoors Network Cc: Outdoors Network Information Subject: Fwd: C-68 A suggestion from Greg Illebrun, SWF........... Begin forwarded message: From: Greg Illerbrun Date: September 30, 2010 10:06:08 AM EDT (CA) To: Bob Bailey Cc: Darrell Crabbe SWF Subject: C-68 Fellow colleagues As you are all aware Allan Rock said and I quote I came to Ottawa with the firm believe that only the police and military should have firearms He then drafted up C-68 which gives the Govt all the powers they need to accomplish this task. Most important he made the mere possession of a firearm a criminal offence! Your license is nothing more than a temporary amnesty that prevents the police form charging you for the crime you are committing. The minute your license expires your protection is void!!!! Toronto cops are now confiscating all the firearms from expired license holders and here in Sask Farmers whose license has expired are being charged. You are all aware of the insidious stuff in C-68, search and seizure provisions, reverse onus etc. The public is not. Therefore I suggest we abscond or hire a reputable lawyer to put into laymens terms these points so the general public can understand our concerns and then take it public. It should be as brief as possible and we should run it continuously in all our own media outlets for example the wildlifes Outdoor Edge magazine. Your thought please AS USUAL, NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET!!!! Regards, Greg Illerbrun Dr. Robert O. Bailey Vice President Policy for Canada Delta Waterfowl Foundation 125 Otter Lake Road RR#1 Lombardy, Ontario K0G 1L0 (613) 283- 6866 FAX: 283- 7519 robailey@ripnet.com ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #120 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)