Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, October 14 2010 Volume 14 : Number 137 In this issue: Re: ABBOTSFORD NEWS: Sighting in on firearms statistics 'David Darkkiller' feared elves, court told Re: Fantino quote from January 3, 2003 Tories among hundreds of census supporters who emailed Harper Fwd: Re: Rifle wrath puts Conservatives at risk Letter to the Editor Fw: Re: Ammunition fires Angus backs Bill to improve the gun registry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:46:08 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: ABBOTSFORD NEWS: Sighting in on firearms statistics - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: "Firearms Digest" Cc: "OUTDOORS CAUCUS ASSOCIATION" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:29 AM Subject: ABBOTSFORD NEWS: Sighting in on firearms statistics > Sighting in on firearms statistics > > By Dan Ferguson - Abbotsford News > Updated: October 14, 2010 9:15 AM > http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_valley/abbynews/news/104901159.html ... Delta Police Chief Jim Cessford, a long-gun registry supporter, says > despite initial cost overruns and other problems, the system > provides "timely and reliable information" that helps police do their job > Get them outa Timmys and they could do wonders ...ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:42:11 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: 'David Darkkiller' feared elves, court told 'David Darkkiller' feared elves, court told By QMI Agency > http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/10/14/15685581.html MONTREAL – A Montreal man arrested for allegedly uttering death threats online intended to use his cache of firearms against elves he feared lurked all around him, according to statements heard during his bail hearing Wednesday. David Abitbol was arrested Oct. 2 in his Montreal home. Police say he was threatening former classmates and school teachers on Facebook and MSN under the online handle ‘David Darkkiller.’ Police also seized five firearms and a number of rounds of ammunition owned by Abitbol during the arrest. Abitbol is accused of uttering threats, firearms violations and possession of child pornography. At the time of his arrest, the Montreal man and his parents said his online comments were not meant to be taken seriously. Abitbol’s bail hearing continues Thursday in Montreal. Letters to the Editor torsun.editor@sunmedia.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:58:12 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Fantino quote from January 3, 2003 Plaudits to Christopher for finding this: I do like to see sources - the historical underpinning for current events. > To: "Dennis & Hazel Young" > Cc: "Lee Jasper" > > Dennis and Lee, > > Katey Montague (KateysFirearmsFacts.com) did a video on this exact topic > a few years ago too... > http://www.youtube.com/kateysfirearmsfacts#p/u/13/ZScoKM27hCk > > Yours in Liberty, > > Christopher di Armani > >> TORONTO POLICE CHIEF JULIAN FANTINO: "We have an ongoing gun crisis >> including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law >> registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us >> solve any of them," said Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino. >> >> "None of the guns we know to have been used were registered, although we >> believe that more than half of them were smuggled into Canada from the >> United States. The firearms registry is long on philosophy and short on >> practical results considering the money could be more effectively used >> for security against terrorism as well as a host of other public safety >> initiatives." >> >> Source: Quote from a News Release by Ontario Minister of Public Safety >> and Security, Bob Runciman, ¯ Eves government urges Ottawa to suspend >> gun registry - January 3, 2003. I hope that someone actually has/had the 'source' document, otherwise the CSSA or Katey should be acknowledging where their source originated. I goggled these quotes from the CSSA website - NOTE the last two comments below: > http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/2009/04/what_police_have_said_about_the_gun_registry.html TORONTO POLICE CHIEF JULIAN FANTINO "We have an ongoing gun crisis including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them," said Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino. "None of the guns we know to have been used were registered, although we believe that more than half of them were smuggled into Canada from the United States. The firearms *registry* is long on philosophy and short on practical results considering the money could be more effectively used for security against terrorism as well as a host of other public safety initiatives." Source: Quote from a News Release by Ontario Minister of Public Safety and Security, Bob Runciman, "Eves government urges Ottawa to suspend gun registry" January 3, 2003. - -- TORONTO POLICE CHIEF JULIAN FANTINO Asked about the bamboozle of the federal gun-registry system, a billion-dollar fiasco, Fantino — who does not support the *registry*, unlike most police chiefs in Canada — noted that the system has not helped Toronto police solve a single homicide. "We have spent an extraordinary amount of money in this one area, but we haven't given the same attention with regards to gun crime in our society." Source: Quote from The Toronto Star – "A shot fired across the bow of a smug Toronto"– Column by Rosie Dimanno – Page A02, March 10, 2004 - -- Julian Fantino Last weekend, after more than eight years as police chief in London and York Region, Julian Fantino, now Toronto chief, arrived at another bloody early-morning scene. "What we're seeing now is a flurry of gunplay, much of it very indiscriminate in the public domain, really open warfare if you will," Fantino said yesterday. Although the chief believes gun violence has become worse over the last decade, he's convinced the root causes – drugs, turf wars and revenge are the same. And he wonders why. "Looking back at all the time, energy and resources – and all the rhetoric that one has heard for so many years. – the question I'm asking is, why are we still left with the same problems?" Fantino said. [He made N0 mention of the registry in 2000, but he did in 2003 and 2004]. Source: Quote from an article in The Toronto Star – April 25, 2000 - -- ONTARIO PUBLIC SAFETY MINISTER, ROBERT RUNCIMAN Bob Runciman, the Ontario Minister of Public Safety and Security, said yesterday Mr. Rock should step down for his role in the fiasco. "I think Allan Rock should resign. I really do," said Mr. Runciman, who said he warned the federal government years ago during Senate hearings that the registry "was not going to have any impact in terms of public safety [or] getting guns out of the hands of criminals and was going to cost well over $1-billion." "It's all proven true. [Mr.] Rock adamantly pushed ahead with this against many in his own caucus, against most of the law-abiding citizens in this country -- in rural parts of the country, for sure," he said. "I think he has an obligation to resign." Source: Quote from The National Post "Liberals drop bid for gun money: Government cancels vote; Rock spreads blame widely – Page A1 - December 6, 2002. - -- ONTARIO PUBLIC SAFETY MINISTER, ROBERT RUNCIMAN Then, real and effective monies could have been directed where they are more needed. You have to like what Ontario Public Safety Minister Robert Runciman had to say on the matter: "They've got a billion bucks to go after the farm widow who has a shotgun in the attic, but these are the real problems on the streets we're facing in our major cities in Canada." Source: Quote from The Globe and Mail "Shot through with waste. The millions spent registering hunting rifles could have been used to cleanse cities of handguns" Page A5 - December 5, 2002. - -- Ontario Solicitor General, Bob Runciman "In national terms, 85 million dollars would put another 1,000 customs agents on the border; 500 million dollars would put an extra 5,900 police officers on the street. The federal alternative is to use the money to register every shotgun and bolt-action .22 in Canada. No great brilliance is required to figure out which would have a greater impact on crime." Source: Quote by Ontario Solicitor General, Bob Runciman from the minutes of the Senate Standing Committee on Constitutional and Legal Affairs – September 21, 1995 - -- Long-Gun Registry [From: http://www.parl.gc.ca/40/3/parlbus/chambus/senate/deb-e/032db_2010-06-01-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=40&Ses=3#5] Hon. Bob Runciman: Honourable senators, I rise today to express my support for Bill C-391, a bill to disband the long-gun registry, and to comment on the fallacy that all police officers support continuation of the registry. On September 21, 1995, I appeared before the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs, then considering Bill C-68, which created the long-gun registry. I was there to present the Ontario government's opposition to the registry. [Now you can understand why (in '99) Runciman overruled his CFO and directed that I be alternately certified as an experienced firearm owner under FA s 7(4)(a) and be issued a 'grandfathered' or CFSC exempt PAL. It was later described as a PAL issued prior to the availability of PAL wallet cards so it was called an FAC-PAL (PAL card with an FAC number because it predated PALs. Runciman launched the national 35,000+ landslide of Alt Cert PALs]. - -- LEN MILLER RETIRED DETECTIVE, VANCOUVER POLICE DEPARTMENT I would invite letter writer Ron Charach (Forgotten Guns -- May 9) to do the following: Take a .38-calibre Smith & Wesson revolver, load it, cock it and place it on the kitchen table. Now take a pit bull and sit it beside the table. Then open your back door and wait to see which one will kill. Source: The Globe and Mail – Letter to the Editor: Dogs kill, not guns – May 11, 2005, Page A18. - -- Dennis R. Young, former RCMP As a former member of the RCMP I know that once Bill C-68 becomes law some police officers will think of us - not as co-operative allies to help them in their fight against crime - but as easy targets for a firearms offence – just because we own a gun. When you see the police officer coming up the driveway, you'll be wondering, "Is he after a real criminal or is he after me and my guns?" The Minister of Justice has said we have nothing to fear as long as we comply with all the gun control laws. But how can we comply with laws that are so badly drafted even judges can't understand them, and laws that are continually misinterpreted by government bureaucrats and the police on a daily basis? Even if we do comply, we have heard of Crown prosecutors who think that every time a firearm is stolen from the home of a law-abiding gun owner that the police should also lay an improper storage charge against the homeowner. We are easy targets for the police - burglars are not. Take it from me, some police officers will use the new powers the government has given them in Bill C-68 to make a career for themselves, by charging as many gun owners as possible for technical mistakes under Bill C-68 and Bill C-17. These are "made in Ottawa crimes" – not real crimes. But for the police bureaucrat looking for a promotion, they're all criminal offences. Of course, real criminals support Bill C-68 because they think it's better to have the government wasting police time and our tax dollars chasing honest gun owners and not them! For 35 years I have been a hunter, now I'm a "suspect" – and so are each of you. Thank you for this award. The way things are headed; I will cherish it long after my last gun has been confiscated. Unless, unless we Repeal Bill C-68! Source: Quote from a speech by Dennis R. Young at the FED-UP II Rally on Parliament Hill on September 22, 1998. [I was there and heard it live]!!! - --------- I'm interested in Fantino's stance on the whole of C-68 during the 1995-98 period. That's the history to which I have referred. You may recall that in his earlier days, Fantino had a tense relationship with gays (recall the Toronto Bathhouse raids) and many years later he marched in the Annual Toronto Pride parade. Can a Fantino leopard change his spots; he's truly a chameleon. - -- T.O. COPS BLACK 'N' BLUE ALTHOUGH BURDENED WITH RED TAPE IN HOLLY MURDER, POLICE FORCE SUPPORTED BY TOP OFFICERS The Toronto Sun 2003.05.16 JOE WARMINGTON > http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article97.htm "Why don't we have a sex offender registry?" Fantino asked angrily. "We have a gun registry. The (federal government) is very busy spending tons of money on the gun registry which is regulating law-abiding citizens, essentially." But when it comes to sex offenders "it's not a high priority. It doesn't register. That's very sad," he said. [But of course we now have national and provincial sex offender registries]. - -- So Fantino supports a sex offender registry, a hand gun registry, (I understand) a prohibition registry, undoubtedly a motor vehicle registry, (I presume) registries for boats, off-road vehicles and snowmobiles - but NOT a long gun registry? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:01:25 -0400 From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca (Majordomo) Subject: Tories among hundreds of census supporters who emailed Harper [You want to influence gov't policy? Fire away. You'll not be the only one who believes they were *not* heard]. Tories among hundreds of census supporters who emailed Harper Jim Bronskill and Jennifer Ditchburn Ottawa— The Canadian Press Published Thursday, Oct. 07, 2010 4:32PM EDT > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-among-hundreds-of-census-supporters-who-emailed-harper/article1748207/ Rash. Ridiculous. Totally crazy? Newly obtained emails show the Prime Minister got a digital earful from baffled and angry Canadians opposed to his government's plan to scrap the mandatory long-form census – including messages sent by several Conservative supporters prepared to switch votes over the move. “While I have been a supporter of your party since its inception, it is becoming harder and harder to defend that decision,” says one email to Stephen Harper. “Your actions in regard to the census have cost you my vote,” wrote another. One Conservative backer delivered an ultimatum: reverse the decision or “You will have lost a faithful supporter of your party and policies.” Wrote another: “I'm moving my vote next time around.” A Canadian Press analysis shows more than four-fifths of 293 email messages to Mr. Harper during a single week last summer were critical of the change. Seven per cent supported the government's move, 3 per cent were neutral and 9 per cent expressed no clear opinion. [Steamboat Tony Panayi recently allowed a few additional alterations to the Long Census]. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:12:57 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Fwd: Re: Rifle wrath puts Conservatives at risk [Chretien deer hunted with Clouthier at his hunt camp near Pembroke] > Rifle wrath puts Conservatives at risk > > http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/873713--travers-rifle-wrath-puts-conservatives-at-risk > > Travers: Rifle wrath puts Conservatives at risk > > Published On Tue Oct 12 2010 > > OTTAWA”It's hunting season in the bucolic Ottawa Valley and the sound of > gunfire echoes around bush lots. So, too, does the raucous sounds of an > old dispute with a weird new twist. > > Hec Clouthier, the flamboyant former MP Liberals blame for inflaming the > Valley over the long-gun registry, is just home from shooting partridge. > He's also back in politics and turning roiling rifle owner anger against > Conservatives. > > Clouthier is a character; he's no fool.After being beaten as a Liberal in > 2000, the man best known here for his swoopy fedora and in Pembroke for > losing his temper defending Jean Chretien's registry is running as an > independent. [Proof of how much of a fool old Hec was, , , he didn't need to defend Chretien's C-68 as proven by the 'terrible seven' Liberal MPs who refused to support C-68 at 1st, 2nd, and 2rd reading or any future firearms legislation and they were allowed to continue to represent their ridings and constituents until they quit or retired from politics. A twist of representative democracy lost on the CPC]. [Every leader and Party has its loose cannons, Chretien had Clouthier, Harper has Cheryl Gallant and Mad Max Bernier]. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 14, 2010 6:22 pm From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Letter to the Editor Re: http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2797803 Angela Brown trots out the simplistic old "If it saves just one life" poppycock. Let's just examine that claim, shall we? The Registry's vocal mouthpieces have variously claimed that the police query the Registry 5000, no 6000, er make that 8000, I mean 11,000, actually 12,000 times each and every day. It seems that every time they open their mouths, the claimed number of queries climbs. At this rate, pretty soon they will be making more queries daily than there are records in the Registry, but I digress... Lets assume for a minute that the 12,000 figure is incontestably correct and the police actually do query the Registry every 7 seconds. That means they query the Gun Registry 4.38 million times last year. Let us pretend this has some societal benefit. Let's forget for the nonce that nearly without exception these were automated queries that are performed by police computers every time someone's name is entered and pretend that they were actually intentionally done by concerned police officers who wanted to know with certainty whether-or-not the person they were about to interact with was law-abiding and unarmed and not a violent sociopath packing heat. Let us further pretend that the answers they got from the registry could accurately reflect their risk as they approached the person in question. We will ignore the facts that career criminals do not license themselves nor register their illegally obtained firearms and so a negative response does not mean with certainty that there are no guns present. We will also ignore that a positive response does not by any means guarantee that guns are in fact present. Most of all we will refuse to accept that negative registry responses say nothing at all about the characters of those present whereas positive responses show at the very least the people in question have passed stringent background checks and screens, and may actually be a safer bet than those who do not have firearms and have not been screened. Just as the CACP and other Registry proponents do, let us further assume without any substantiating evidence, that the trend toward lessening of long gun related murder and suicide claimed by the CACP, (and also the CAEP and the CGC) actually exists, that it represents a true drop in murder and suicide and not just a switching of methods, and that it is entirely the result of the long gun registry these groups are so fanatically defending in the media, not the natural result of an aging population. Exactly what is the value of the registry? How much bang do we get for our buck? Current estimates of the decline in gun deaths between 1995 and present place this figure at about 4%. Therefore it takes 4.38 million queries to ostensibly prevent 4% of gun related deaths. This equates to about 50 per year. Thus the number of queries needed to "save" one life is 87,600. Even more telling, there are 7 million guns in the system. So we must register 140,000 guns per life "saved". There are some 5 million lawful gun owners in Canada, meaning that we must intrude on 100,000 harmless lawful citizens to stop one gun death. The annual cost of the CFC is ~$100 million. So every year we must spend $2 million to "save" a single life. Over the last 10 years we have spent $2 billion to "save" 500, or $4 million per life "saved". In medicine we have a concept called "Number Needed to Treat" (NNT)that gives an idea of the beneficial value of a proposed screening,prevention, or treatment program. Acceptable NNTs in most fields of medicine are in the 5 - 20 range. Very rarely we may find one in the 100 - 500 range. It is generally held that higher NNTs represent wasteful practices and that the money and expertise they represent should be used to better effect elsewhere (1). In the case of the gun registry, however, we are expected to accept a NNT of 87,600 (queries), 100,000 (persons licensed), or 140,000 (guns registered). We are told repeatedly by the registry's proponents that "If it just saves one life, then it is worth it". The problem is, we cannot show any evidence that any lives actually are saved by the gun registry, and even if they were, we could save a heck of a lot more by pursuing more effective strategies. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, October 14, 2010 6:36 pm From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Fw: Re: Ammunition fires To: lfraser@herald.ca Subject: Re: Ammunition fires Re: http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotia/1206373.html Hi! Following your article on the fire at the Captain Kidd Rod and Gun Club I thought you might be interested in the results of actual testing of ammunition in fires to determine what risk, if any, it poses. SAAMI: http://www.saami.org/ - has prepared an excellent film on the topic: Sporting Ammunition and the Firefighter; http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2324482007089886997&ei=7xIkS8ODLKCOqwLQu5XvCw&q=fire+fighters+ammunition&hl=en&view=3# In addition, some people think that static discharge poses a risk in reloaders' powder stores. Here is a link to an experiment that shows this to be false; http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/sparks/sparks.html Thanks for your attention, - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Canada mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:50:33 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Angus backs Bill to improve the gun registry Angus backs Bill to improve the gun registry By CHELSEY ROMAIN, QMI AGENCY Posted 1 day ago > http://www.northernnews.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2797267 He may have voted to keep the long-gun registry, but MP Charlie Angus (NDP --Timmins-James Bay) said a new bill would solve a lot of the issues rural Canadians have. Angus, seconded by Nickel Belt MP Claude Gravel, tabled a private member's bill Friday, which he said addresses the concerns of rural residents while enhancing public safety. "We've come forward with what we think is a very good road map on addressing the long-standing problems with both the registry and the need to ensure public safety," Angus told The Daily Press. "At the end of the day this isn't rocket science. "These are just long-standing irritants that can be fixed." Angus was one of the 153 MPs who voted against scrapping the registry last month, saying facts showed police services across the country benefit from the registry. The new bill includes the decriminalization of first-time offenders, ensures registration remains free, protects the privacy of gun owners' identifying information and allows for more flexibility for those who inherit guns. Since the registry was introduced 15 years ago, there has been much said about the amount of money that has been spent to get it in place. Angus said he didn't support the money being spent in the first place. But, now that the investment has been made, the best course of action for the government is ensuring it was money well spent. "You see all kinds of crazy numbers being thrown out there and the Conservatives are throwing higher and higher numbers out there," he said. "Let's bring the auditor general back in now and ensure and show we're getting value for our dollars." Angus said rural residents, especially hunters and farmers, feel the registry treats them as criminals. Yet restricted weapons are still finding their way into the hands of criminals on Canadian streets. The proposed bill lays out the steps the NDP feel the federal government needs to take to close up importation loopholes. "Guns are getting into the country that aren't being registered and the RCMP has said they are ending up on the black market," said Angus. "Rural people don't want that and urban people are certainly concerned about it, so let's fix those loopholes." A second loophole, he said, can be found within the commercial importation of guns. Angus said the federal government need to come up with ways where guns imported commercially are clarified and proven to be hunting rifles in order to remain in the unrestricted category. "There are guns on the street that should be restricted that are getting into the country because the government won't close that loophole," Angus said. That hasn't happened yet, according to Angus, because government sees the registry as useless and not as a way to separate restricted and unrestricted guns. When Angus threw his support behind keeping the registry last month, he knew he was going to have to deal with people upset with his decision. Since then, though, he has said he's had a lot of "great conversations," a lot of positive conversations as well as encountering people who are angry with him. "People are very passionate about the rural way of life," he said. "But I think people haven't been presented a clear set of alternatives that can address their problems. "Let's address public safety, but let's make sure rural people aren't made to feel the brunt of being made to feel like criminals." There has already been some skepticism the bill will make any headway before a federal election is called, but Angus said they are taking steps to ensure the bill receives a full debate. While the Conservatives have only passed three bills during the last session of parliament, Angus said that doesn't mean his bill won't fly. "If we get good will from other parties, we're going to get this thing on the political agenda," he said. Now that the bill has been publicly released, the NDP will be looking for suggestions on ways to further improve their proposal. Letter To The Editor [On-line Form] http://www.northernnews.ca/feedback1/LetterToEditor.aspx - -- FYI; > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Angus SUMMARY > http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4688255&Language=e&Mode=1&File=19 This enactment amends the Criminal Code to remove the first time offence of possession of a firearm other than a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm without having registered that firearm under the Criminal Code. It clarifies that firearm possession proceedings under that Act do not abrogate or derogate from any existing rights of the aboriginal peoples of Canada. It also amends the Firearms Act to eliminate the fee for registration of a firearm that is neither a prohibited firearm nor a restricted firearm. It imposes more control on the release of records that are kept under that Act and that could be used to identify an individual, and ensures that the Chief Firearms Officer, in determining whether a person is eligible to hold a firearms licence, may review records relating to that person’s discharge from or unsuccessful application for membership in a law enforcement agency or the military. Finally, it amends the Contraventions Act to designate a first time offence under section 112 of the Firearms Act as a contraventions offence for the purposes of the Contraventions Act. [This was something the CPC claimed was not possible a few weeks ago]. Entire document: > http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Docid=4688255&file=4 Bill C-580 Summary Bill C-580 CRIMINAL CODE FIREARMS ACT CONTRAVENTIONS ACT COORDINATING AMENDMENTS ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #137 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)