Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, October 17 2010 Volume 14 : Number 143 In this issue: Essay - The impact of gun control on murder and suicide in Canada War vets plan day of protest Re: 'Staggering' conditions on accused G20 ringleader RE: The right to hunt and fish is on the ballot in four U.S. states Re: Dennis's quote from the Rally- Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #137 CTV - Toronto's 50th homicide marks violent night CTV - Man killed, woman hurt in separate Halifax shootings CTV - Rifle seized from student at N.L. school ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:19:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Essay - The impact of gun control on murder and suicide in Canada pp.99-116 Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca https://www.novapublishers.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=20476 The impact of gun control on murder and suicide in Canada pp.99-116 Authors: David Lester Abstract: The issue of whether the availability of firearms has an impact on the incidence of murder and suicide has long been debated, often with strong emotions on both sides of the debate. In the past, most of the research on this issue has been carried out on the United States, partly because the differing gun control laws in each of the 50 states provides a “natural experiment” to explore this issue (see Lester, 1984). However, the debate is also contentious in Canada (see Gabor, 2003), and several research studies have been conducted on Canadian data. The aim of the present essay is to review this research in order to see whether any sound conclusions can be drawn from it. Chapdelaine and Maurice (1996) noted more than ten years ago that firearms cause more than 1,400 deaths annually in Canada with a cost to the nation of about $6.6 billion. In Quebec, most deaths from gunshot wounds occur in the home, more often in rural areas than in urban areas, and from legally acquired hunting weapons which are often not stored in safely (in accordance with regulations in effect in Canada since January 1st 1993). However, firearms are also involved in other acts. Of the 12,850 robberies in Quebec in 1992, 4,320 (33%) involved firearms. Firearms are also used for suicide and, although many other methods are available for committing suicide, the mortality from suicidal actions involving firearms is 92% as compared to only 30% for suicidal actions involving drugs. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:38:44 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: War vets plan day of protest [Searched online to locate info about the protest in Tillsonburg being organized by a WW II vet. This group will march to CPC MP Dave Mackenzie's office. He could also use a 'wake up call' for his uninspired performance on the SECU C-391 committee. The vets protest is going Nation wide. Calling all to armes. If the RFC jumped on this we could coalesce with the vets and run with a Fed Up III in Ottawa. A sea of Blaze Orange, monkey green and desert camo. The yocals on the Hill would have sleepless nights after facing a sea on Disruptive Pattern clad protesters]. War vets plan day of protest Posted 12 days ago > http://timminspress.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2786408 Prime Minister Harper's decision not to renew Colonel (Ret'd) Patrick B. Stogran, the Veterans Ombudsman contract is viewed as a national disgrace by veterans. The Veterans Ombudsman contract was terminated because he stood up and challenged Veterans Affairs for the deterioration and questionable treatment they provided to the nation's disabled veterans. On Nov. 6, 2010, at 11 a.m. a Canadian Veterans National Day of protest rally is being conducted. Veterans will march to their local member of Parliament's office to protest: * The termination of the Veterans Ombudsman contract; * To terminate the lump-sum disability payment system that will cause serious financial hardships to many Veterans and their Families; * To eliminate the unfair reduction of SISIP (Service Income Security Insurance Plan) long term, disability benefits from medically released members of the Canadian Forces; * To eliminate the CPP benefit reduction programme affecting retired and disabled CF/RCMP members annuity; They will also rally: * To request an increase the survivor's annuity amount upon death of Canadian Forces retirees to 66% from the current 50%; and * To request to include the VIP (Veterans Independence Program) to all widows of Veterans. When Veterans return home disabled, they feel much betrayed by the same government who asked them to face hostile situations in far away lands. Not only are they faced with the reality of living with their disability they now must face a new challenge of fighting the penny-pinching government bureaucrats. It is a disgrace to be aware that Veterans must resort to the courts to fight for their disability pension benefits that they and their families have paid for in so many different ways. Veterans can no longer remain silent. The general public is encouraged to support our veterans by marching with them to the office of their elected member of Parliament on Nov. 6 at 11 a.m. Yours in comradeship, John Labelle Veterans Annuity Campaign Co-ordinator Lower Sackville, N.S. - -- Our government doesn't really support our troops Posted 12 days ago > http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2785457 An open letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper I am a disabled veteran and I feel your government is leaving me no choice but to write to you personally. Not that this will make any difference, but at the least the opposition and the press will be getting a copy of this as well. To the best of my knowledge in the past 100 years, no veteran, or group of veterans, have every rallied or protested against our government, the very same government we had sworn an oath to protect. This will change on Nov. 6 at 11 a.m. of this year, as you are most likely already aware. It will be the first time that veterans, left no choice, will protest against the unfair treatment by our government. I am also part of the lawsuit regarding the illegal and unfair claw back of VA Disability payments by SISIP, in the case of 'Manuge vs. Her Majesty The Queen'. I know personally how bad the system is for veterans, especially under the New Veterans Charter, which came about for the sole purpose of saving money, period. This you know to be true since you were part of the below meeting. LETTER TO THE EDITOR You and your government go to great lengths to say 'we support our troops'. To me, that is a flat-out lie if you stand behind what the NVC is doing to veterans. I quote from Albina Guarnieri, then minister of veterans affairs, in a conversation on May 9, 2005, on a flight coming back from attending the Victory in Europe celebrations in the Netherlands -- which included former prime minister Paul Martin and all three opposition leaders, Mr. Harper being one of them as the leader of the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecois' Gilles Duceppe and the New Democrats' Jack Layton. Ms. Guarnieri, as she stated, managed to bring all four leaders together at the front of the plane to hammer out a plan that would see the new Veterans Charter approved within a week, with virtually no debate. The reason, the report which is still on the government's web-site stating the department's financial liability to disabled veterans had grown in cost from $5.6 billion in 2001 to $7.9 billion in 2004. Ms. Guarnieri recently described the in-flight deal as the highlight of her career. [Wot a gal]. That is one hell of a legacy to leave behind, especially after reading a newspaper article about DVA seizing a veteran's disability cheque for $55,000 from his estate, as he died waiting for that benefit. If this letter upsets you, as it should, then I have accomplished some of what I set out to do. Just as I am upset enough to bring tears to my eyes after reading that article. I honestly do not know how you can sleep at night knowing the above is happening to the very individuals you choose to send to Afghanistan. If I personally get repercussions due to writing you today, then it will just be added to what I already suffer from some of my disabilities. Robert Gallant Kingston - -- Veterans Affairs needs 'mucking out' > http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2771407 Norlock, Rudd speak out on Veterans Affairs report > http://www.northumberlandtoday.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2721620 Returning vets deserve compensation, respect FRED RINNE Posted 1 month ago Is Afghanistan becoming Canada's Vietnam? > http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2725142 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:26:10 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: 'Staggering' conditions on accused G20 ringleader Posted to and commented on the CFD: The headline for the article was a quote from the protester's lawyer. And he doesn't have to be a Liberal; just a sharp shyster looking to make a bundle of cash, or maybe even a true-blue defender out to assure that the thugs Charter Rights are honoured. My query about the lack of liberalism in his restrictive bail conditions was a tongue-in-cheek metaphorical comment that'd drive the humourless Harperites into hissy fits. Actually, the hold'em tight, close to the vest restrictions are likely justified since it appears there's pretty good evidence that the dude was a Black Bloc leader. > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 08:10:29 -0400 > From: "mred" > Subject: Re: Staggering' conditions on accused G20 ringleader - TheStar > > This would be humorous if not true ? what better indication do we have that > we are living in a tyrannical police state? > > First they take our guns and then they take our free speech. This is so > much like tyrannical third world countries it is truly frightening , and > it is happening under Harpers watch. If I was Harper I'd be awfully worried that some politician with high communication skills, a sense of humour, a twist of debonaire and trusting eyes might pop up and sweep the country. Holding power through default has got to be a mugs game for a very dour mind. > Do you REALLY think the CPC will remove the gun registry and licensing ? Right on!! There's not one shred of credible evidence they'll move the goalposts one iota. When you have to depend on Ignatieff, Layton and Angus moving the chains, Comartin pitching sliders and a slippery cad like Joe Volpe working at extending powers of citizen arrest - you gotta start to realize somewhere along the trek that the law-and-order crew are not working for the interests of the little people. If the CPC were serious about repealing the long gun registry they would have introduced C-391 as a gov't bill to provide full-fledged debate. The private members gambit was a mirage, pure and simple for the CPC to work its 'vote for your constituents' angle. Unfortunately, it seems like only two gun owners in Canada know what Harps and the CPC do to an MP who actually votes his/her conscience. And for you fellers so hep up about this vote-your-conscience stuff. I vote for MLAs and MPs whose personal and Party policy statements and election platforms fit my objectives. I have no desire to see the dorks in my riding running off and voting their personal-ill defined and irrational conscience. There have been clearer indications over the past few months that licencing is a CPC mantra - contrary to all the bleating about citizens being forced to provide private information to the state under fear of fines, jail time or even confiscations for forgetful firearm owners. I'd expect licencing to be tightened up as Harps will need to kiss and make-up with the police. If the CPC puts the CFSC online like I've lobbied, I'll reconsider its sincerity. If it writes a pre-amble to Ch. 39 attesting to the legitimate uses of firearms in Canadian society, I'll award it an ATTABOY. (FYI they can use Rock's model from 1995 and gain the support of the Liberals). Considering the highly touted CFO's continuous screening, the CPC could introduce an amendment to provide life-time PALs. But, the CONs like the pieces of paper gun owner's have to carry or they'd go the way of George W's Insta Check system. There has never been any hint that a return to FACs might be in the cards. To suggest that mandatory FACs required by all owners for even simple possession would be supported anymore than current PALs, defies logic. I realize this does nothing for the underground refusniks but the gov't has obviously decided that their issues will get resolved - by simple attrition. If you really think the CPC has something to offer the RFC - I suggest you re-read Don Gardners article - "The political benefits of ignoring facts." Frankly, I believe my best defense for retention of firearms is Rock's 1995 statement in the House of Commons and the SCC decision about gov't being liable for keeping its promises. It you've got something more finite from the CPC --- show me. I'd suggest the RFC drop the whining about absent-minded owners nicked for unauthorized possession of firearms. The FA is 15-years old. Frankly, with all the attention that's been given to confiscations in Peel and Toronto, citizens may conclude that we are so feeble-minded that maybe we can't be entrusted to own firearms. It's like the idiots who are nabbed for unauthorized use (trespassing) on snowmobile and ATV trails - with signs posted at entry points that trail permits are mandatory. They simply can't claim to not know!.!.! > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Jasper" > To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:39 PM > Subject: Staggering' conditions on accused G20 ringleader- Toronto TheStar > >> > [Where was the liberal judge in a liberal court in liberal Toronto]? >> > > http://www.thestar.com/news/torontog20summit/article/875746--accused-g20-ringleader-faces-astonishing-breach-of-rights-lawyer-says My defense: Rock: C-68 Debate at 2nd reading, Feb. 16, 1995 > http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=35&Ses=1&DocId=2332409#GUNCONTROL Mount Sinai Hospital Center v. Quebec (Minister of Health and Social Services), [2001] 2 S.C.R. 281, 2001 SCC 41 Noteup Date: 2001-06-29 Docket: 27022 > URL: http://www.canlii.org/ca/cas/scc/2001/2001scc41.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:36:12 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: RE: The right to hunt and fish is on the ballot in four U.S. states It is no coincidence that the population is very low in Vermont. The largest city is Burlington 45,000. The state capitol is Montpelier: 8,500. They have virtually no state gun laws. Of course, the federal laws still apply. Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* =20 > From: mred@295.ca > Subject: Re: The right to hunt and fish is on the ballot in four U.S. sta= tes > Date: Sat=2C 16 Oct 2010 14:56:07 -0400 > To:=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Joe Gingrich" > Sent: Saturday=2C October 16=2C 2010 12:22 PM > To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" > Subject: The right to hunt and fish is on the ballot in four U.S. states >=20 > > http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/right+hunt+fish+ballot+four+state/36= 82316/story.html > > > > The right to hunt and fish is on the ballot in four U.S. states > > > > October 16=2C 2010 > > > > Reuters Life! > > > > Worried that their pastime may get waylaid by a growing animal welfare > > movement=2C U.S. hunters and anglers in some states are seeking > > constitutional safeguards. >=20 > looks like Vermont is the place to move to if youre looking to relocate ? > As well as no CCW required they have the right to hunt and fish in their > state constitution. >=20 > Seems like these Vermonters are waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of the anti= s > on all fronts..ed/on = ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:39:40 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Dennis's quote from the Rally- Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #137 This speech was prescient, as we've seen from the case law and news reports over the past 10 years. The case law, the news reports, the arbitrary treatment, being reminded by all federal politicians that =20 citizens possessing firearms are such a threat to public safety they have to be constantly monitored by the police is the new reality. And the Conservatives wonder why the voters who expect them to repeal the long gun registry, a fraction of the policy of repealing C-68 no longer rally publicly for them. Even the appeasement groups have seen their members or others like themselves targeted, intimidated. We've seen a notable increase in the number and status of organized crime groups, their criminal violence and unprecedented arrogance. Their arrogance towards police e.i. the Prince George gangsta =20 article, arises from: 1. They know even if they are convicted the punishment is light enough to ensure their crimes remain profitable, more so now than ever. 2. Hunters, farmers and formerly lawful firearms ownership had a =20 high level of support for police. No longer as they both view each other with suspicion, the =20 police due to years of 'indoctrination' and the firearms owner from knowing they =20= are a more vulnerable target than real criminals. The group least likely to be intimidated by =20 criminals now are. 3. Many gun owners remember being watched by RCMP SWAT team members at the rally on Parliament Hill. On 14-Oct-10, at 7:34 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Dennis R. Young, former RCMP > > As a former member of the RCMP I know that once Bill C-68 becomes law > some police officers will think of us - not as co-operative allies to > help them in their fight against crime - but as easy targets for a > firearms offence =96 just because we own a gun. When you see the = police > officer coming up the driveway, you'll be wondering, "Is he after a =20= > real > criminal or is he after me and my guns?" The Minister of Justice has > said we have nothing to fear as long as we comply with all the gun > control laws. But how can we comply with laws that are so badly =20 > drafted > even judges can't understand them, and laws that are continually > misinterpreted by government bureaucrats and the police on a daily > basis? Even if we do comply, we have heard of Crown prosecutors who > think that every time a firearm is stolen from the home of a law-=20 > abiding > gun owner that the police should also lay an improper storage charge > against the homeowner. We are easy targets for the police - =20 > burglars are > not. Take it from me, some police officers will use the new powers the > government has given them in Bill C-68 to make a career for =20 > themselves, > by charging as many gun owners as possible for technical mistakes =20 > under > Bill C-68 and Bill C-17. These are "made in Ottawa crimes" =96 not = real > crimes. But for the police bureaucrat looking for a promotion, they're > all criminal offences. Of course, real criminals support Bill C-68 > because they think it's better to have the government wasting police > time and our tax dollars chasing honest gun owners and not them! =20 > For 35 > years I have been a hunter, now I'm a "suspect" =96 and so are each of > you. Thank you for this award. The way things are headed; I will =20 > cherish > it long after my last gun has been confiscated. Unless, unless we =20 > Repeal > Bill C-68! > > Source: Quote from a speech by Dennis R. Young at the FED-UP II =20 > Rally on > Parliament Hill on September 22, 1998. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Toronto's 50th homicide marks violent night http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101017/toronto-homicide-101017/20101017/?hub=TorontoNewHome Toronto's 50th homicide marks violent night Updated: Sun Oct. 17 2010 6:41:06 PM ctvtoronto.ca Two people are dead and several more are injured after a flurry of violent incidents across the Greater Toronto Area overnight. One man found shot dead in Toronto's east end mark's the city's 50th homicide of the year. Police responded to a call for multiple gunshots at 65 Firvalley Court, in the Danforth and Warden Avenues area, and found a man inside a nearby car suffering from gunshot wounds to the head. Isba Hassan Ismeil, 29, was pronounced dead at the scene. Anyone with information is asked to contact Toronto police at 416-808-7400 or Crime Stoppers at 416-222-TIPS. A few hours earlier, another man was found suffering from a bullet wound to the neck in the same area. It is unclear whether the incidents are related. Another man was shot in the Parkdale area at about 6 p.m, but was not seriously injured. Police are investigating. York Regional Police are also investigating the death of a Markham man stabbed in a public fight. Police were called to the Century Palace Restaurant, at 398 Ferrier Street in Markham, and learned that two men had been taken to hospital by friends after a fight broke out. Officers went to Scarborough Grace Hospital and found two people suffering from stab wounds. One person has died from the injuries, while the other remains in hospital. The identity of the deceased is not being released until the next of kin is notified. Homicide detectives are investigating, but have not made any arrests. York Regional Police is asking anyone with information about this incident to contact the Homicide Unit at 1-866-287-5025. With files from The Canadian Press ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Man killed, woman hurt in separate Halifax shootings http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20101017/halifax-shooting-101017/ Man killed, woman hurt in separate Halifax shootings The Canadian Press Date: Sun. Oct. 17 2010 1:48 PM ET HALIFAX - Halifax police were looking Sunday for the suspect in the shooting death of a 21-year-old man at a home in the city's north end. Police say Donald Jermaine Stevenson was pronounced dead at the scene on Jarvis Lane just after 8 p.m. Saturday. Spokeswoman Theresa Rath said he victim, who was known to police, was shot in front of two family members. She wouldn't comment on their relationship to Stevenson, but revealed that they were not children. Rath said police believe the shooter and the victim knew one another. "It appears the shooter knew where he was going and who he was looking for," said Rath. She said it was also believed the suspect was wearing a skull mask and dark clothing and fled the scene on foot, before being picked up a short time later on Dartmouth Avenue by a silver coloured SUV. Rath said it was the second murder on the same street in the past three months. Ryan Matthew White, 21, was shot in the chest and died last July. "Investigators do not believe at this time that they (the killings) are connected but we are open to all possibilities," Rath said. She said police are urging anyone with information about the latest shooting to come forward. Meanwhile, police were continuing to investigate a second shooting Saturday at a home in the Spryfield area. A 23-year-old woman was taken to hospital where she was treated for what is believed to be non-life threatening injuries. Investigators said the woman and other people interviewed at the scene were unco-operative. Police said they didn't believe the shooting was a random act. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Rifle seized from student at N.L. school http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20101017/NL-rifle-school-101017/ Rifle seized from student at N.L. school The Canadian Press Date: Sunday Oct. 17, 2010 6:29 PM ET The RCMP and child welfare officials in Newfoundland are trying to determine how a Grade 2 student in Labrador ended up with a gun at school last week. The Mounties said in a release Sunday that the student at Mushua Innu School in Natuashish was seen with a rifle in the school's playground on Friday. RCMP Sgt. Boyd Merrill said officers went to the school and seized "an inoperable" .22-calibre rifle. He said an inoperable firearm means it's not capable of being fired because of a modification such as the removal of the firing pin, or because of damage. Merrill said investigators were trying to determine if the student brought the rifle to school or found it on the property. He said the student made no threats or gestures against others at the school. "Nobody was harmed or injured or was in any danger at any time, but the optics of this incident are troubling," Merrill said in the release. The release said police had traced an owner of the rifle using the gun registry database but didn't elaborate. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #143 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)