Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, October 21 2010 Volume 14 : Number 147 In this issue: CBC - Most firearms registry queries made manually: report Re: Critical Analysis of the RCMP CFP Evaluation re:looking for quote Speeding doctor gets $300 fine thrown out New documentary recounts bizarre climate changes seen by Inuit RE: .50 BMG at Fed Up' Rally? Re: De-reg process Re: Letter - How many lives has registry saved? White deer a rare delight [Not an albino] Former UWO prof awarded fellowship Letter to Globe (just sent) courts on trial biography of Julian Fantino Re: Former UWO prof awarded fellowship ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CBC - Most firearms registry queries made manually: report http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/10/most-firearms-registry-queries-made-manually-commissioners-report.html Most firearms registry queries made manually: commissioner's report October 20, 2010 5:34 PM By Alison Crawford It's only a matter of time before the long-gun registry reappears on the parliamentary radar. Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner's private member's bill died last month, but it is widely expected the government will re-introduce a new bill -- either in the House of Commons or Senate -- that would once again try to scrap the controversial program. You may well remember that in the most recent heated days of debate, a number of anti-registry advocates disputed the oft-quoted statistics that police search the Canadian Firearms Registry Online (CFHRO) 12,000 times a day. Those opposed to the registry said most police forces run computer programs that automatically check the CFRO every time they consult the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) for calls completely unrelated to firearms. Yet the just-published annual report of the Commissioner of Firearms takes indirect aim at that argument. It reiterates that on an average day, Canadian police queried the firearms registry 11,076 times a day in 2009. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/rep-rap/2009-comm-rpt/index-eng.htm "Some of these queries result from police agencies choosing to enable a feature that automatically checks CFRO when a CPIC check is made. However, most police agencies do not automatically check CFRO, and rely on manual queries." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Critical Analysis of the RCMP CFP Evaluation - --- On Wed, 10/20/10, mred wrote: > Geez Bruce you're a genius ~! D . Tomlinson couldn't have > done better job and he was good. > > This certainly puts a lie to everything the CPC and its > talking horse the > RCMP have to say , especially considering the rot at the > top of the RCMP? > > Maybe you should run for MP next election ?Get Sweet out of > the picture ? > Ed/on Thanks, Ed. Just some common sense, a little critical thinking, and asking the questions they don't seem to want to have asked. Nothing like pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes... Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:32:09 -0400 From: "Maurice Curtis" Subject: re:looking for quote Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:55 -0400 From: Lee Jasper = Subject: Re: Looking for a quote/statement Bruce asked: Looking for a quote/statement Does anyone remember some official functionary making the statement to the effect that "criminal activity" is "outside the scope" of the firearms registry? I can't seem to come up with anything on Google, and it doesn't seem to be on my hard drive. As I recall it was a comment by Sharon Carstairs way back in the days of Al Doran. I am not sure if it was a reply to Al or not but am quite sure she was the liberal involved around the time of "the debate is over" from Annie get your guns. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:50:59 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Speeding doctor gets $300 fine thrown out [Toronto's finest must be blessed with more than one, officer 'Bubbles'. Are these folk given retard pills when they're handed their badge and sidearm]? Speeding doctor gets $300 fine thrown out October 20, 2010 Joseph Hall HEALTH REPORTER > http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/878629--speeding-doctor-gets-300-fine-thrown-out?bn=1 A top Toronto surgeon who was pulled over by police and ticketed in January while speeding to save a heart attack victim’s life has had charges against him dismissed. Prosecutor Iwona Stamicar dropped speeding charges against Dr. Michael Kutryk Wednesday after the doctor explained his automotive rush to her prior to his hearing in traffic court. George Bartlett, the city’s director of prosecutions, said Stamicar withdrew the charge because she did not feel it was “in the public interest” to proceed with the case. “It was on her assessment that was the appropriate thing to do,” Bartlett said. But a Toronto Police spokesperson said the dropped charges shouldn’t raise worries that the move might lead to a rash of speeding doctors on the streets. Const. Wendy Drummond says the discretionary decision by a single prosecutor—who argues cases before justices of the peace—was not precedent-setting and that police would still pull doctors over if they are caught speeding. “Our officers are going to continue to enforce the Highway Traffic Act,” she said, adding speeding doctors would continue to run the risk of hefty fines and demerit points. Officers have roadside discretion on whether to issue doctors tickets in an emergency situation. Kutryk did not return phone calls and emails Wednesday, but issued a brief statement through St. Michael’s Hospital, where he is a groundbreaking cardiologist: “I am pleased the Crown withdrew the charges. I am glad to put this behind me and to continue my work caring for patients.” The man he saved that January day, however, was effusive in his praise of the decision. “I’m so relieved, it was ridiculous,” said Jeff Halstrom, who was in court with Kutryk when the charges were dropped. “Finally, a clear head has prevailed.” As Halstrom was lying on a St. Mike’s operating table Jan. 9, Kutryk, who was the cardiac surgeon on call, was rushing to his rescue when he was pulled over near Bayview and Moore Aves. Halstrom’s heart attack was so massive that he was given just a 50 per cent chance of survival after the operation. Travelling 35 km/h over the posted 40 km/h speed limit, Kutryk was undeniably speeding at the time. But when he explained the reasons for his haste, a Toronto traffic officer proceeded to write him a $300 ticket anyway. No amount of pleading would deter the officer from penning the fine, waylaying an increasingly enraged Kutryk for about 10 minutes. Halstrom said he attended court to face the officer. “I needed to go today to traffic court to look at the officer, I needed to go for my own well-being,” he said. Halstrom did not find out the officer’s name and police would not divulge it. The area where he was pulled over was a frequent radar trap, with neighbouring residents having made numerous complaints about speeders, Drummond said in a previous interview. Halstrom, who underwent six months of rehabilitation after the operation, said the “overzealous” officer had put his life in even greater peril. “They had called in the spiritual adviser to talk with (my partner) Michael (Oscars) about how we were going to proceed,” he says. Today, he is back teaching kindergarten at Toronto’s Jesse Ketchum Public School. Halstrom says he was angry when he learned of the prolonged pullover upon waking up two days after his surgery. He says his recovery may have been quicker had Kutryk got to him minutes earlier. “I hope this is the start of something bigger about to happen,” he adds. “There needs to be some sort of change towards those types of incidents and the procedures that would happen.” ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:53:16 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: New documentary recounts bizarre climate changes seen by Inuit elders Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca [If not Al Gore, how about an Inuit shaman]? New documentary recounts bizarre climate changes seen by Inuit elders GUY DIXON From Wednesday's Globe and Mail Oct. 19, 2010 4:00PM EDT > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/new-documentary-recounts-bizarre-climate-changes-seen-by-inuit-elders/article1763952/ Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change: The official trailer Published Tuesday, Oct. 19, 2010 3:50PM EDT The trailer for "Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-the-official-trailer/article1763965/?from=1763952 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:12:36 -0400 From: Mark L Horstead Subject: RE: .50 BMG at Fed Up' Rally? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of Todd Birch > Sent: 20-Oct-10 11:52 AM > To: Firearms Digest > Subject: .50 BMG at Fed Up' Rally? > > > Huh?=20 > > The legend grows ..... > > First it was RCMP snipers training their rifles on the rally. > Now it's a "....50 BMG machine gun ...."? The 'Ma Deuce' is a > pretty big article to disguise as anything other than what it > is, and not likely to be part of the police battery. > > Perhaps the real answer is that it was a .50 BMG calibre > Barret rifle or some such rifle from the government arsenal? To the best of my knowledge, there were none in the CF inventory at that time, let alone the RCMP. > The real shocker to Canadians is that their government would > even consider such an action I presume that you mean firearms-owning Canadians rather than "average Canadians", who did not seem to care one whit. They were probably whatever "counter-sniper" rifle that the RCMP used then. What bothers me the most is that they were likely using the weapon's optics to scan the crowd, which means that the barrel was pointed wherever the nice Mountie was looking. I trust very few policemen's trigger fingers. > Remember the words of PET during the FLQ crisis when asked > how far he was prepared to go: "Just try me." "Just watch me", actually. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:24:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: De-reg process I would make sure that you have at least one firearm in that prohibited category, then just call CFC. - --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Todd Birch wrote: From: Todd Birch Subject: De-reg process To: "Firearms Digest" Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:08 AM I want to de-reg an 1870s prohib revolver to "antique" status. What is the process? Do I go through a local verifier (if I can find one) or deal directly with the CFC? I wasn't able to find anything helpful on the CFC site and the 'experts' on GunNutz were likewise unhelpful. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:03:53 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Letter - How many lives has registry saved? Len postulated: > Alan Rock prohibited everyone from using a firearm for self defense. > And, as you can see, it has COST lives, not having saved one . . Is there a reference of Rock stating this in the parliamentary debates of 1995 or in the Act for this assertion? Is there a Court decision? Citations? Realizing statistical proof is apparently currently lacking, I'm betting there has been some positive impact resulting from some registries. If not, our fed gov't., provincial gov't, municipal gov't and indeed gov't's around the world are spending a King's ransom on worthless registries, from snowmobiles to Holsteins to agricultural nitrogen. Do you know anyone who has been prohibited from owning firearms, has experienced a revocation, has been posted to a sex offender registry or has been slapped with a restraining order or has been banned from something? I realize we only read about the failures, like the woman caught driving impaired - for the second time with her three grandchildren in her car. She was banned from driving and I think her vehicle registration was invalid and she had no insurance. She had one of the children blowing into an alcohol lock so her car would start/run. > The Sudbury Star > Wednesday, October 20, 2010 > > Quebec woman busted for drunk driving with kids in car — again > http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2806885 FYI: Effectiveness of Bans and Laws in Reducing Traffic Deaths Legalized Sunday Packaged Alcohol Sales and Alcohol-Related Traffic Crashes and Crash Fatalities in New Mexico Garnett P. McMillan, PhD and Sandra Lapham, MD, MPH > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1751802/ Abstract We determined the relative risk of alcohol-related motor vehicle accidents and fatalities after New Mexico lifted its ban on Sunday packaged alcohol sales. We extracted all alcohol-related crashes from New Mexico police reports for 3652 days between July 1, 1990, and June 30, 2000, and found a 29% increase in alcohol-related crashes and a 42% increase in alcohol-related crash fatalities on Sundays after the ban on Sunday packaged alcohol sales was lifted. There was an estimated excess of 543.1 alcohol-related crashes and 41.6 alcohol-related crash fatalities on Sundays after the ban was lifted. - -- But then: B.C. man handed 50-year driving ban after 15 drunk-driving convictions By Sam Cooper, Vancouver Province October 13, 2010 Comments (4) > http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/handed+year+driving+after+drunk+driving+convictions/3668416/story.html VANCOUVER — A B.C. man convicted of drunk driving 15 times has been dealt a 50-year driving ban — and at age 58, that's likely to be a lifetime prohibition. Felix Duncan Antoine, of Kamloops, was handed the ban and a five-year jail term last week in a provincial court. - -- And then: Cellphone bans cost-effective, study finds Reuters September 30, 2010 A new study is backing a proposal by the province of Alberta to ban cellphone use in cars, finding that keeping drivers' attention on the road not only saves lives it also saves far more money than the cost of enforcing the ban. The study, published this month in the journal Health Economics, looked at the cost-effectiveness of the proposed in-car cellphone ban in the western Canadian province. It concluded it could save the province C$140 million ($136 million), cut the annual number of collisions by 4,450 and result in 15 fewer traffic-related deaths each year. The study assumed that only 30 percent of drivers would comply with a ban, but even with less than a third of drivers obeying the law, the benefits would still be significant, one of the study's three co-authors said on Wednesday. At least 50 countries, 17 U.S. states and six other Canadian provinces have already banned cellphone use while driving on public health grounds, but without much sense of the cost-effectiveness of such a move, the study said. Shiell said three other studies on cellphone bans had concluded they were not a cost-effective way of promoting health. However, he said that those previous works all assumed random compliance by drivers, and that important business calls were as likely to be deterred by the law as mundane one, which his study assumed was unlikely. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:41:06 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: White deer a rare delight [Not an albino] White deer a rare delight In myth and legend, white deer are symbols of good luck, the spirit world and peace By Debora Van Brenk The London Free Press http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/10/20/15766156.html Photo caption: London appears to be home, at least temporarily, to a rare, all-white deer. Photographed through a window by Londoner Bill Hopkins, the deer vanished almost as quickly as it appeared. (Bill Hopkins, special to QMI Agency) The legendary King Arthur led an epic, but unsuccessful, quest for the rare white stag. In modern-day London, Bill Hopkins may have captured a similar, one-in-10,000 buck — or, at least, the ghostly image of one. “It was pretty surreal, almost right up there with seeing a unicorn,” he says of his sighting late last week in west London. He grabbed his camera and quickly fired off two shots through his window. “It’s a magical, mystical thing,” said Hopkins, In legend and myth, white deer have been symbols of good luck, the spirit world, unity and peace. The deer’s lack of is likely leucism, a reduced skin pigment that results from a recessive gene. With a full rack of antlers, the deer looks to be an adult. It stayed within Hopkins’ sight for about five minutes, briefly ventured near a busy road, retreated and then vanished into the woods. Hopkins said the thought of it still sends shivers up his spine. “We see this a lot in ducks but it’s rare in deer,” said Brian Salt of Salthaven Wildlife Rehabilitation and Education Centre (salthaven.org) near Mt. Brydges. He, like several others contacted by The Free Press, had heard about all-white deer but have never seen one. Another local wildlife expert says he hears of at least one pie-bald (patchy-white) deer in the region each year but the chances of an all-white deer are “probably one in 10,000.” “Because of their whiteness, they attract predators in the summer months” but can stay mostly hidden during the winter, the wildlife expert said. Hopkins said its rarity emphasizes the need to preserve London’s wooded habitats. “My hope is that this will bring some attention to the fact that we have some pretty unique and rare animals in the city and to be careful when we’re driving in these areas.” A decade ago, a leucistic white fox in London’s Springbank Park area turned heads for several weeks, before it became a casualty of traffic. - -- Note -- Leucism and Leucistic Birds & Animals & other Colour Variations http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/leucism.html#cr Leucism (or Leukism) Leucism is a very unusual condition whereby the pigmentation cells in an animal or bird fail to develop properly. This can result in unusual white patches appearing on the animal, or, more rarely, completely white creatures. Albinism is a different condition. The easiest way to tell the difference between the two is that in albinism the eyes are usually pink or red, and albinism affects the entire animal, not just patches. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:57:03 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Former UWO prof awarded fellowship [Sister(?), wife of bros(?) of former Harper/PMO hauncho Dr. Ian Brodie, now back at his professorship at the UWO]? Former UWO prof awarded fellowship By ALEX BALLINGALL Special to QMI Agency http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/10/20/15759411.html An academic who once held a position at UWO now has another feather in her mortarboard cap. Janine Brodie, who was UWO's visiting chair in public policy in 1995, has been awarded a Trudeau Fellowship worth $225,000. Bettina Cenerelli, program director of the Trudeau Foundation, said Brodie was nominated by the University of Alberta, where she currently holds the Canada research chair in political economy and social governance. "The selection committee," said Cenerelli, "was simply blown away by her file. This is someone who is engaged in different issues, (such as) poverty issues." According to the Trudeau Foundation's website, Brodie was awarded the fellowship due to her extensive experience in researching how social and economic policies affect Canadian society. But Cenerelli said that Brodie's academic work isn't the only reason she was awarded the fellowship. Part of the criteria of the prize is the manner in which the prospective fellows are engaged with society outside of the classroom. "They are not people who will stay seated behind their desks. They're engaged with their communities…and they will also try to find solutions to problems that preoccupy our society," Cenerelli said. The Trudeau Fellowships have been awarded every year since 2002. Brodie was among four people recognized this year. - ---- Janine Brodie Receives Top Recognition September 30, 2010 http://www.politicalscience.ualberta.ca/en/Political%20Science%20News/2010/09/JanineBrodieReceivesTopRecognition.aspx Being the first U of A academic to receive the Trudeau Fellowship is a welcomed honour for Janine Brodie (Political Science); however, it is recognition that she didn’t see coming. “I was surprised and elated,” said Brodie. “The Trudeau Fellowship is one of the three national awards that is available to political scientists, so I was humbled and pleased that I was one of the four named this year.” The prestigious fellowship is an annual award meant to celebrate individuals that set themselves apart through research achievements, creativity and commitment to critical social issues of importance to Canada. “I am especially pleased that the Trudeau Fellowship recognizes excellence in productivity and research, but also an ongoing commitment to social justice. That’s especially gratifying to me,” said Brodie. Brodie, who is also a Canada Research Chair, has built a strong foundation of research that explores social governance, citizenship and social justice. The $225,000 prize from the fellowship will help the professor tailor her future research, and focus on the emergence of provincial anti-poverty reduction strategies and the federal law and order agenda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:32:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Letter to Globe (just sent) Transformational Canadians ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, Wendy Cukier's work to vilify law abiding firearm owners for the nefarious actions of a single mentally deranged individual has been nothing if not transformational. Canada has been transformed from a liberal democracy into a police state with legislation which is at once unconstitutional, misguided, expensive, ineffective and even fifteen years after the fact remains highly controversial. What most Canadians don't realize that in order for the Federal government to obtain jurisdiction to enact a firearms registry, they had to do so under criminal law. Firearm ownership, in the absence of any real criminal act was made a *CRIMINAL* offense in 1995 under a brand new definition of what constitutes a crime (Sec. 91 and 92 of the Criminal Code). Instantly, several million law abiding Canadians were put a single document away from criminal charges, facing heavy fines, financial ruin and up to ten years in a federal prison. Of course, this might all be worth it were the registry actually demonstrating some value, but to date, it has shown only its futility. Firearm registration is nothing at all like vehicle registration, and this toxic law is far from benign. Thanks, Wendy but let's transform Canada back the way it was! Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:45:53 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: courts on trial the Editor The Belleville Intelligenser: Viewing the TV coverage on CBC, my wife and I were disgusted seeing the depravity of the Commanding Officer of RCAF Stn Trenton (once # 6 RD). We looked for the response of Canadian courts in a crime more resembling Ted Bundy, Charles Gacey, our own Olson in BC, and anticipated the outrage of our courts. an outrage which would be reflected in the punishment phase . . . it didn't happen. . . it didn't happen. One lifetime sentence ? that's what was dispensed (with) which is what two, or twenty, or 80 life sentences when run CONCURRENTLY . What a joke. He doesn't pay for his crime . . we do . . Bundy was sentenced to death, which is the ONLY sentence worthy. This trial was more of a trial of the judiciary, than Williams, and the judiciary didn't disappoint, it was very 'Canadian' . Made us feel, as veterans, that we were betrayed, once again. It seems that there is no crime, so horrible, which will receive the punishment it calls for . . thanks politicians. Len Miller in Vancouver where our own criminals . . Basi and Virk, show us who's rights are protected . . and who actually pays for it . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:35:19 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: biography of Julian Fantino What does Julian Fantino say about gun control in his recent biography "The Life of a Cop"?'' Presumably, he's already a "vetted" candidate? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:30:49 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Former UWO prof awarded fellowship At 10:57 AM 10/21/2010 -0400, you wrote: > >--=======AVGMAIL-53AA2B5D======= >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >[Sister(?), wife of bros(?) of former Harper/PMO hauncho Dr. Ian Brodie, >now back at his professorship at the UWO]? > >Former UWO prof awarded fellowship > >By ALEX BALLINGALL Special to QMI Agency > >http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/10/20/15759411.html > >An academic who once held a position at UWO now has another feather in >her mortarboard cap. > >Janine Brodie, who was UWO's visiting chair in public policy in 1995, >has been awarded a Trudeau Fellowship worth $225,000. > >Bettina Cenerelli, program director of the Trudeau Foundation, said >Brodie was nominated by the University of Alberta, where she currently >holds the Canada research chair in political economy and social governance. Remapping gender in the new global order By Marjorie Griffin Cohen, M. Janine Brodie Mentions Gamil Gharbi's short burst of serial killing and mentions the focus shift from men to gun control. This is a compendium of works and may not represent Ms Brodie's views. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #147 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)