Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, October 31 2010 Volume 14 : Number 157 In this issue: Michel Coren interviews Christie Blatchford on Caledonia other segments of Coren's interview with Blatchford on Caledonia letter to National Post (just sent) re: Captain Semrau TorStar - Man shot in Flemingdon Park NATIONAL POST LETTERS TorStar - Police officer rebuked for 'lack of knowledge' re: Captain Semrau 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario TORONTO SUN: Helpless in Caledonia By Peter Worthington Re: 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario Re: 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario CTV - Teens arrested after gun pointed at police Sudbury Star - Letter - Long-gun registry bill betrays hunters Toronto Sun - Man shot in the head ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:24:51 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Michel Coren interviews Christie Blatchford on Caledonia Michel Coren interviews Christie Blatchford on what happened in Caledonia which she documented in her new book "Helpless". When the rule of law no longer protects the victims of crime as a matter of policy. When the state protects the criminals. One law for the non-native and another law for the native occupiers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p6KGhJL9XY&feature=player_embedded#! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:45:11 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: other segments of Coren's interview with Blatchford on Caledonia The location of the rest of Michel Coren's interview with Christie Blatchford, as per youtube fashion they are divided into smaller segments. This particular one she talks about the actions of the OPP's Julian Fantino in writing to the court defending the person who committed an unprovoked violent criminal attack . http://www.youtube.com/user/sdamatt2#p/u/1/KOIjcodLiTQ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: letter to National Post (just sent) David Chen ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, While some may count David Chen's brush with the law a victory, the fact remains that we have a very serious problem in the Ontario Attorney General's office, and have had for some time. The police laid charges which only a few years back would never have been laid, and the overzealous prosecution of an innocent man was clearly intended as a lesson in political correctness emanating from non-elected officials in an act of what can only be explained as blatant social engineering. Perhaps it is time to re-visit the appointment of crown prosecutors, and to instead elect these nameless and faceless mandarins who would so intrusively impose themselves in the lives of innocent shopkeepers and law abiding citizens. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:46:41 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: re: Captain Semrau In my basic training (2nd Bn. PPCLI) we were instructed not to leave a badly wounded comrade behind to the tender mercies of an enemy that might brutalize him. Which begged the question: "Well, what do we do with him?" Answer: "Ask his best friend to put a bullet in him. Or, if he's lucid, put a grenade in his hand and pull the pin. That gives him an option." This harsh reality check shocked our teen aged minds. No mention was made of an over dose of morphine as we were unlikely to have any to administer. That was 'old army' mentality. I'm not sure what the attitude is today. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: TorStar - Man shot in Flemingdon Park http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/882778--man-shot-in-flemingdon-park Man shot in Flemingdon Park Published On Thu Oct 28 2010 Madeleine White Staff Reporter A 25-year-old man is recovering after being shot early Thursday in the city's Flemingdon Park neighbourhood. The shooting happened after an argument broke out between a group of men on Spanbridge Rd. around 1 a.m., police said. Spanbridge, which is near Don Mills Rd. and Eglinton Ave. E., passes over the Don Valley Parkway but investigators do not think any motorists witnessed the altercation. Police do not know what sparked the fight. They are still trying to confirm how many shots were fired. No weapon has been found. The victim was treated in hospital for minor injuries and released. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, October 30, 2010 1:50 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: NATIONAL POST LETTERS NATIONAL POST - OCTOBER 29, 2010 LETTER: Non-gun registry could save lives http://www.nationalpost.com/registry+could+save+lives/3743623/story.html Re: Registered Guns And Our Murder Rate, letter to the editor, Oct. 28. Letter-writer Gary Mauser's analysis of firearms-related statistics is enlightening. The statistic relating to homicides and ownership of firearms is particularly so, as it highlights some of the irrational prejudice that underpins so-called "gun control" efforts. Given the fact that "the probability of a licensed firearms owner committing murder is less than one-half of other Canadians," will the Bloc, NDP and Liberals now advocate for legislation requiring licencing, tracking and vetting of anyone who is not a licenced firearm owner? This will at least facilitate government attention on those Canadians who are most likely to commit a homicide. If it saves only one life, won't it be worth it? Brent Mainwood, Calgary. - ------------------------------------------ NATIONAL POST - OCTOBER 28, 2010 PROFESSOR MAUSER'S LETTER: Registered guns & our murder rate http://www.nationalpost.com/Registered+guns+murder+rate/3737852/story.html Re: Murder Across Canada, Oct. 27. http://www.nationalpost.com/Firearm+murders+down+Canada+StatsCan/3728182/story.html This story was chock full of statistics. Unfortunately, it overlooked the legal status of the firearms used to commit homicide. StatsCan reports that of the 3,084 homicides in the past five years, 980 (32%) involved a firearm. Only 78 (8%) of the firearms involved in homicide were found to be registered; only 103 (10%) were owned by the accused. Given that there are two million licensed Canadian firearms owners, the probability of a licenced firearms owner committing murder is less than one-half that of other Canadians. Gary Mauser, criminologist, Coquitlam, B.C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: TorStar - Police officer rebuked for 'lack of knowledge' http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/883497--police-officer-rebuked-for-lack-of-knowledge Police officer rebuked for =E2=80=98lack of knowledge' Published On Fri Oct 29 2010 Betsy Powell Courts Bureau An Ontario Court judge says she finds it “shocking” a Toronto police sergeant who has trained other officers doesn't appear to understand proper investigative techniques. The officer, Sgt. Jay McCall, was the only witness who testified at the trial of Michael Dabreo, 25, after charging him in March with numerous offences including possessing a loaded .25 calibre handgun. But Justice Mavin Wong threw out the charges this week after finding McCall “unable to properly articulate the grounds for detaining an individual.” Wong said she found it reasonable to assume “his lack of knowledge affects the way he conducts other routine police investigations.” It is even more alarming when one considers McCall “teaches other officers-in-training what ought to be proper police investigative techniques that are inconsistent with the Charter,” the judge wrote. McCall was driving a marked police cruiser when he pulled up behind a taxi and saw the driver reaching back toward his passenger. There appeared to be some disagreement over the fare. McCall pulled up beside the cab and the driver told him the passenger, Dabreo, wanted to pay only $29 when the fare was $33. However, Dabreo then paid the full amount and got out of the cab. As he did, McCall summoned him to his cruiser. He testified in court that he did so to investigate the Criminal Code offence of “fraud transportation.” McCall ran a police check and found Dabreo was under a weapons prohibition and had a history of violence. He testified his continued detention was based on the possibility the accused might be breaching his prohibition order and his “experience” that people subject to court orders sometimes reoffend. McCall conducted a pat-down search and discovered a firearm. Dabreo attempted to flee and was Tasered twice before he was subdued. He was charged with various gun offences, resisting arrest and breaching court orders. At the trial, defence lawyer Reid Rusonik argued the court should exclude the gun as evidence because Dabreo was arbitrarily detained and McCall lacked reasonable grounds to search him. Crown counsel Beverley Olesko argued the detention was momentary and the seriousness of the offence and importance of the evidence ought to persuade the court to admit the gun. But Wong concluded McCall “was mistaken relating to virtually every aspect” of what he believed was his lawful authority to detain, investigate and search Dabreo. The “multiple” Charter breaches were so serious Wong said she was excluding the evidence. The charges were dismissed as a result. Brendan Crawley, a spokesman for the Ministry of the Attorney General, said the decision would be reviewed carefully. The Crown has 30 days from the date of the decision in which to pursue an appeal. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 07:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: re: Captain Semrau - --- On Sat, 10/30/10, Todd Birch wrote: > From: Todd Birch > Subject: re: Captain Semrau > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 2:46 PM > In my basic training (2nd Bn. PPCLI) we were instructed not to > leave a badly wounded comrade behind to the tender mercies of an > enemy that might brutalize him. > > Which begged the question: "Well, what do we do with him?" > Answer: "Ask his best friend to put a bullet in him. Or, if > he's lucid, put a grenade in his hand and pull the pin. That gives > him an option." > > This harsh reality check shocked our teen aged minds. No > mention was made of an over dose of morphine as we were unlikely to > have any to administer. > > That was 'old army' mentality. I'm not sure what the > attitude is today. In a desperate situation, perhaps. The current conflict is highly unlikely to see that level of desperation. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:55:28 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario 29 October 2010 16:05 by Len Humes http://www.oyetimes.com/news/canada/6928-40-guns-stolen DRPS is investigating after at least 40 guns and ammunition were stolen from a storage facility in Port Perry earlier this week. Sometime between 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday Oct. 26th and 6 p.m. on Wednesday, October 27th, person(s) unknown broke into 28 storage units at Blanchard’s Self Storage, located on North Port Road in Port Perry. At least 10 long guns belonging to a local hunter were stolen as well as 30 handguns owned by a gun collector. The guns were in separate storage rooms. A quantity of ammunition was also stolen. The long guns were properly stored in a locked gun cabinet. The handguns, ranging from .22 calibre to .357 Magnums, were not properly stored and the owner, a Markham gun collector, will be charged with improper storage. Each storage unit had padlocks in place. North Division investigators are working with the Criminal Intelligence Branch and the Provincial Weapons Enforcement Unit (PWEU) in an effort to catalogue the stolen weapons and advise other police services in Ontario. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, October 31, 2010 9:36 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: TORONTO SUN: Helpless in Caledonia By Peter Worthington TORONTO SUN - Last Updated: October 27, 2010 10:06pm Helpless in Caledonia By Peter Worthington [81 Comments] http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/peter_worthington/2010/10/27/15855826.html A lot of us have watched goings-on at Caledonia since 2006 when protestors from the nearby Six Nations reserve began blocking development and behaving in a manner that if others had done it, they'd be arrested. I avoided comment on events there, because I wasn't sure of the relationship between lawlessness and aboriginal rights. I was uneasy about confusing one with the other. That's my excuse. Since reading Helpless by Christie Blatchford, a new book detailing the controversy, I don't have that excuse any more. Caledonia was - and is - a small horror story. It's not a horror story for the Six Nations thugs who ran amok, occupying, intimidating, abusing, threatening, with impunity, because there was no effort to dissuade them. It is a horror story for ordinary people who were the victims of thuggery. But it's a greater horror story for the OPP which behaved with negligence, dereliction of duty and, yes, cowardice. Officers on the job turned a blind eye to people being beaten, homes threatened, curfews imposed, road blocks established. On occasion, the OPP even refused to come to the aid of a fellow officer being beaten. Officers who refused to intervene were only obeying orders. Where have we heard that before! Top ranking OPP officers - starting with Commissioners Gwen Boniface and ending with Julian Fantino - wanted no trouble with Natives. By refusing to protect those threatened, or arresting those violating the law, senior ranks dishonoured themselves and the OPP. Individual officers were mortified. Felt betrayed. Still do. The Ontario government was equally craven. Premier Dalton McGuinty wouldn't visit Caledonia; then-Tory leader John Tory visited 13 times. Authority was reeling from the 1995 Ipperwash standoff where Native activist Dudley George was shot and killed, and the Mike Harris Conservative government was pilloried from left and right. Caledonia was worse. Blatchford is a fine reporter, and makes it clear she in not concerned (in the book) about First Nations issues like land claims, religious schooling, the myriad of real and imagined wrongs inflicted in the past. She writes: "Helpless is about what happened to the rule of law . in that town and its environs . the rule of law was utterly decimated." For four months some 450 households in the Douglas Creek Estates (DCE) "were outright terrorized." Roads were closed, curfews imposed. Occupiers took over. The OPP abandoned the residents. "Lawlessness ran rampant." Blatchford interviews various individuals - each adding to the horror. Then OPP Commissioner Fantino took personal aim at one man, Gary McHale, who was arrested and jailed for raising a Canadian flag in the face of Native and various warrior flags. That's only one of many vendettas. The only time police wore riot gear was to confront peaceful citizens, not when facing baseball bat-wielding Native protesters. It was police inaction that distressed people - "doing nothing about the law-breaking they'd seen with their own eyes." They dreaded being accused of racism. Instead, they got anarchy. Blatchford's book is powerful. While she's mainly concerned about the rampant lawlessness and the refusal of police and politicians to protect citizens, she also uncovers other horrors - such as Dudley George's cousin, OPP Superintendant Ron George, head of Aboriginal Issues, who was hopelessly inept and one-sided. This a landmark book that every citizen should read - and every politician and journalist. We're all remiss for ignoring Caledonia's message. And now Julian Fantino wants to be a federal MP and cabinet minister. Shame on him for Caledonia, and for his failure to lead. - ---------------------------------------- GLOBE AND MAIL - Last updated Monday, Oct. 25, 2010 6:21PM EDT BOOK EXCERPT - Caledonia: The town that law forgot BY CHRISTIE BLATCHFORD http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/caledonia-the-town-that-law-for got/article1769901/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:53:41 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario At 09:55 AM 10/31/2010 -0500, you wrote: > >40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario > >29 October 2010 16:05 by Len Humes > >http://www.oyetimes.com/news/canada/6928-40-guns-stolen > >DRPS is investigating after at least 40 guns and ammunition were stolen >from a storage facility in Port Perry earlier this week. > >Sometime between 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday Oct. 26th and 6 p.m. on Wednesday, >October 27th, person(s) unknown broke into 28 storage units at >Blanchard’s Self Storage, located on North Port Road in Port Perry. At >least 10 long guns belonging to a local hunter were stolen as well as 30 >handguns owned by a gun collector. The guns were in separate storage >rooms. A quantity of ammunition was also stolen. > >The long guns were properly stored in a locked gun cabinet. The >handguns, ranging from .22 calibre to .357 Magnums, were not properly >stored and the owner, a Markham gun collector, will be charged with >improper storage. Each storage unit had padlocks in place. > >North Division investigators are working with the Criminal Intelligence >Branch and the Provincial Weapons Enforcement Unit (PWEU) in an effort >to catalogue the stolen weapons and advise other police services in Ontario. Now the storage laws were touted as "public safety". I am wondering if the improper storage of these guns has much to do with the fact that they are restricted and may not have been stored at the address indicated on the license - I wonder also if the owner also had the proper paperwork to transport the guns to a storage locker. More information is needed and the media seldom gets anything right these days. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:00:04 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario That begs the question : How did they KNOW the guns were in there ? ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario > 40 guns stolen from storage in Port Perry, Ontario > > 29 October 2010 16:05 by Len Humes > > http://www.oyetimes.com/news/canada/6928-40-guns-stolen > > DRPS is investigating after at least 40 guns and ammunition were stolen > from a storage facility in Port Perry earlier this week. > > Sometime between 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday Oct. 26th and 6 p.m. on Wednesday, > October 27th, person(s) unknown broke into 28 storage units at > Blanchard’s Self Storage, located on North Port Road in Port Perry. At > least 10 long guns belonging to a local hunter were stolen as well as 30 > handguns owned by a gun collector. The guns were in separate storage > rooms. A quantity of ammunition was also stolen. > > The long guns were properly stored in a locked gun cabinet. The > handguns, ranging from .22 calibre to .357 Magnums, were not properly > stored and the owner, a Markham gun collector, will be charged with > improper storage. Each storage unit had padlocks in place. > > North Division investigators are working with the Criminal Intelligence > Branch and the Provincial Weapons Enforcement Unit (PWEU) in an effort > to catalogue the stolen weapons and advise other police services in > Ontario. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Teens arrested after gun pointed at police http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101031/police-guns-101031/20101031/?hub=TorontoNewHome Teens arrested after gun pointed at police Updated: Sun Oct. 31 2010 9:55:43 AM ctvtoronto.ca Two teenagers face 37 charges related to drugs and guns after a fight broke out during an undercover investigation and one suspect pointed a gun at police officers. Police said on Friday officers from the Toronto Drug Squad were conducting an investigation in the Eglinton Avenue East and Kingston Road area. An undercover officer had a drug-related conversation with two boys, aged 16 and 17. Following the conversation, police allege that the boys walked into a nearby building, where plainclothes officers identified themselves as police and attempted to place the suspects under arrest for trafficking cocaine. Police said that the 16-year-old boy pulled a gun from his waistband as he struggled to escape and pointed it at the officers. He broke free and police say he was seen disposing of his gun and a quantity of cocaine in a nearby schoolyard before he was re-arrested. The 17-year-old boy ran off immediately, allegedly pointing a gun at a bystander and threatening to kill him if he intervened. Police said he threw his gun into a bush as police closed in. Police recovered a loaded semi-automatic Ruger .45 and a loaded P38 9 mm handgun, cocaine and marijuana. The suspects cannot be named under the provisions of the Youth Criminal Justice Act. The 16-year-old boy was charged with 24 offences in connection to the sale and possession of drugs, possession of a weapon and attempt to evade arrest. The 17-year-old boy was charged with 13 offences in connection to the sale and possession of drugs, possession of a weapon and assault. They were scheduled to appear in court on Saturday. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Sudbury Star - Letter - Long-gun registry bill betrays hunters http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2817023 Long-gun registry bill betrays hunters Letters & Issues Posted 5 days ago Having had the opportunity to read through Bill C-580 and the subsequent introduction of this Bill in Parliament by MP Charlie Angus, quite frankly, this bill is both an insult and a slap in the face to Canada's recreational firearms community. When last I spoke with Sudbury Nickel Belt MP Claude Gravelle, spoke, shortly before the vote on Bill C-391, he talked at length about how the NDP were going to "fix" the long gun registry and make it palatable to hunters, target shooters and collectors. If that was indeed the goal, the framers of this bill, and all those who support it have failed spectacularly. The NDP spoke of consulting with rural and northern people, farmers and hunters, to make the long-gun registry acceptable to them in terms of removal of criminalizing and stigmatizing elements. Where was that consultation? No hunter or target shooter that I have spoken to, or heard from, wants anything to do with C-580. Certainly no hunters or target shooters were consulted in his own riding. In fact, the evidence points to the only people having been consulted as Wendy Cukier and other like-minded individuals: her desire to ban the Mini-14, and scoped rifles is well documented. People can see C-580 for what it really is: a thinly veiled tightening of the screws. The bill contains nothing of interest for hunters, target shooters or collectors, while giving the pro-registry side of the issue everything they want and more: since when does compromise involve taking away from one side, while giving the other whatever they want? Make no mistake, C-580 does exactly that. In exchange for, perhaps, a fine for not registering once, hunters, target shooters and collectors are being told that distant bureaucrats will tell them what firearms they can use to hunt with, and be subjected to bans and confiscations based on whatever whim those same bureaucrats happen to have at any given time. The Mini-14 is inappropriate for use by farmers? Really. And how many farmers or ranchers have told Gravelle they have no use for one? Or is that the opinion of the NDP caucus in downtown Toronto? For that matter, perhaps, for the purposes of the Bill, Gravelle or Charlie Angus could define what constitutes a "sniper rifle". Such rifles seem to be singled out for outright prohibition under bill C-580. The problem is that any bolt-action hunting or target rifle could meet the definition of "sniper rifle". If the way the NDP extends the olive branch to those who feel slighted is to hit them over the head with an even greater amount of that which offends, it makes me wonder why anyone would want to support the party. Gravelle's employment contract is coming up for renewal soon, and it is we who will determine whether or not your contract is renewed, not party leader Jack Layton. George Fritz Garson editorial@thesudburystar.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Toronto Sun - Man shot in the head http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/10/31/15897151.html Man shot in the head By TERRY DAVIDSON, Toronto Sun Last Updated: October 31, 2010 1:24pm A man is lucky to be alive after an assailant shot him in the head in the Jane St.-Sheppard Ave. area Saturday night. The victim, in his 20s, was behind the wheel of a car in the parking lot of an apartment building at 200 Exbury Rd. when a man fired as many as four shots into the driver's side of the vehicle, according to Toronto Police.. "The victim was hit once in the head, but the bullet didn't penetrate the skull," said a police spokesman, who referred to the incident as a "very strange" case. "It just passed around and lodged in his jaw." Two of the victim's friends were also in the car. The victim called police after driving to a safe location. He was rushed to hospital and released early Sunday. The victim doesn't remember the shooter approaching the car, and while his two friends were cooperative, they provided different accounts of what happened, according to investigators. It was not clear if the shooting was gang or drug related, according to police. "It's not really clear on what the suspect description is, so it's not even worth putting out right now," said the spokesman, who added the victim is "very lucky" to be alive. "We still have to talk to witnesses and look at video." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #157 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)