Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, November 1 2010 Volume 14 : Number 160 In this issue: When you take RE: Vancouver Sun - Loaded rocket launcher found on Vancouver RE: Capt. Semrau Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #157 Hill Times - Voters angry, engaged, and ahead of conventional TStar: Officer breaks little accountant's arm but no charges laid CTV - 2 arrested after hail of bullets hits group in Vancouver LETTER: Drug dealers and gangs are doing the "gun toting" Grab your long guns, it's hunting season - by Connie Woodcock RE: Vancouver Sun - Loaded rocket launcher found on Vancouver CTV - The tendency to vote liberal might be in your genes CACP Supports Government Act to Update Investigative Powers for ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:25:23 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: When you take CALGARY HERALD - NOVEMBER 1, 2010 Home invasions on increase as tally already surpasses last year BY STEPHANE MASSINON, WITH FILES FROM DARYL SLADE, SHERRI ZICKEFOOSE AND RICHARD CUTHBERTSON http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Home+invasions+increase+tally+already+surp asses+last+year/3756413/story.html Home Invasions In Calgary 2005. 28 2006. 25 2007. 28 2008. 60 2009. 68 2010. 71 (Year-To-Date) AS COLUMNIST LORNE GUNTER SAID YESTERDAY: "Ever wondered why criminals have become bolder over the last generation? They know fewer Canadians have guns. They know that if they are caught, their sentences will be short. And they are increasingly aware that the enforcers of our laws -- police, prosecutors and courts -- are at odds with the public. Maybe we should call it the criminals' justice system, rather than the criminal justice system." http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Criminals+have+more+rights+than+victims/ 3754111/story.html Len sez: when you take 'justice' from the criminal justice system You are left with a criminal system : criminal system . . At least . . that's the way I see it . . Catsa . . you owe me six dollars for the Deet . . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: RE: Vancouver Sun - Loaded rocket launcher found on Vancouver - --- On Mon, 11/1/10, Jim Pook wrote: > I heard one RCMP spokesman on CBC-TV stating that it could > have brought down an airplane. > > Where do these clowns get their training from? > > Jim Pook > Vancouver Island-North According to Wikipedia, the M72 has a effective range of 200 meters. I guess if the plane were on the tarmac, or coming in or taking off, and you were in the flightpath, it might bring down an airplane. Most jumbo jets cruise at 30,000ft, don't they? That's 5 miles, folks! Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:21:42 -0400 From: Mark L Horstead Subject: RE: Capt. Semrau Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #157 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of > Larry James Fillo > Sent: 1-Nov-10 2:11 AM > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Re: Capt. Semrau Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #157 > (In my world, the Ottawa types who write the rules manuals, > they would have to do so in combat, under fire, in pencil > while slowly bleeding from a shrapnel wound.) Those that write our ROE know what they are doing and do a pretty good job of it. Certainly better those with no exposure or recent experience. > From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of > bletchleypark@rogers.com > Sent: 1-Nov-10 1:45 AM > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Re: Captain Semrau > Politically correct civil servants with guns. That is not reality. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Hill Times - Voters angry, engaged, and ahead of conventional parties Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca http://www.thehilltimes.ca/page/view/voters-11-01-2010 Voters angry, engaged, and ahead of conventional parties: Hébert Conventional political parties are 'slow to catch the wave,' or simply being cast away by a populace looking for something else, says Chantal Hébert. By ALICE FUNKE Published November 1, 2010 11 Comments The common thread between citizen backlashes over culture cuts, prorogation and the census, the HST in British Columbia, and new political forces in Calgary, Toronto and Quebec, is the emergence of an angry and therefore engaged electorate, Toronto Star syndicated national affairs columnist and leading political analyst Chantal Hébert told a packed audience of academics and students at Carleton University last Wednesday night. Ms. Hébert also cited Canada's "apparently open-ended minority cycle" as being perhaps ahead of the curve in the trend now seen internationally across the developed democracies, and she said it arose in part due to the presence of the Bloc Québécois but also from the fact that the Liberals "are no longer a national party." Drawing a tentative line between the seven isolated political events in Canada, Ms. Hébert argued that no conventional politician was to be found leading those campaigns. Conventional political parties have been "slow to catch the wave," she said, and if they're lucky are able to join the parade on some of these issues, although in other cases they "are simply being cast away by a populace looking for something else." "Taken together though they suggest, I think, that faced with a non-responsive political system, voters are taking matters in their own hands, and they are finding ways to work right out of the box of the conventional politics to bring about change," she said. Where conventional parties cannot take up the charge, "wild cards" like the Wildrose Alliance, the mayoral campaigns of Naheed Nenshi in Calgary and Rob Ford in Toronto, and Force Québec, a "hypothetical party" whose existence is not even a certainty, are emerging as "real contenders for power." The conventional parties haven't figured out how to respond effectively, Ms. Hébert claimed, citing the case of Toronto where Mr. Ford was subjected to two months of a "highly critical microscope of the probably the most powerful media in the country," which only succeeded in communicating to his supporters " 'Oh boy, this guy, he's a buffoon, people want to vote for him, let's insult their intelligence and tell them how stupid they are to want to vote for him," she said. "When you have an outsider candidate, a maverick candidate, that's coming in and on a populist platform, the last thing you want to throw at that candidate is insider support for the opposition." Unlike Calgary, where Mr. Nenshi's campaign was "certainly able" to effectively use social media and garner new voters moving him from one per cent in vote intentions to a competitive position, many internet pollsters in the Toronto race completely missed the older voters who were not using Facebook but were supporting Mr. Ford. "A disengaged electorate doesn't do 700,000 hits over culture cuts, and it does not go on Facebook and decide it wants a mayor that one per cent of people wanted to support at the beginning of the campaign. And it does not elect Rob Ford because it's disengaged or it's not angry," Ms. Hébert argued. "Angry is engagement." She said she believes that the social media are allowing citizens to connect with each other better than the conventional politicians are connecting with them, and believes that the political party that can awake this sleeping giant will be best positioned to succeed in the shifting political landscape. Taking questions from the floor, Ms. Hébert also assessed the country's prospects for electing a majority government, saying that while she was not opposed to minority governments and said she believes they can work well, any majority that would be elected now would be a "mathematical majority," but not a national one, owing to the "regional silos we are now working ourselves into," which she argued was a worse outcome than any minority government. She pointed to the paucity of Liberal votes in Western Canada during the last election as a demonstration of "how weak the Liberals are, and that there is a lot of rebuilding to be done," noting that within Quebec, the Liberals have lost four of the five campaigns they've fought against a united Conservative Party since the patriation of the constitution when they lost that province, and that they are now "the Toronto Party with some seats in Ontario and the Atlantic provinces." Answering a question on regional differences in attitudes towards justice issues, Ms. Hébert invoked the introduction of the gun registry, saying that some of the provinces like Saskatchewan and New Brunswick who asked the federal government to allow provinces to opt in to the Criminal Code provision at the time, were led by premiers who were hardly "hard-core Conservatives who want to have guns in their kitchen." She said that at the time she had opposed the long gun registry, knowing people who had worked on the file who "thought that they had pushed the gun control file under Kim Campbell as far as it could be pushed, to be efficient for the money that we could put in it," and she argued that perhaps an opportunity had been lost by insisting on a national application of that provision. Ms. Hébert also admitted to becoming a support of proportional representation at the federal level after a recent trip to Europe, not for many of the panaceas its supporters now confer it with, but because it "would have some Liberals from Alberta in Michael Ignatieff's caucus and some New Democrats from Montreal in Jack Layton's caucus" and that would help prevent the dangers of regionalism. She said she doesn't think there is any momentum towards it, however, and said that the NDP appear not to be pushing it very hard, perhaps since the growth of the Green Party on the federal scene. Alice Funke is editor of Pundits Guide to Canadian Federal Elections. news@hilltimes.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:40:22 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: TStar: Officer breaks little accountant's arm but no charges laid If this is how they treat a chartered accountant we can just imagine how he'd have been treated if he'd had a PAL on file. Perhaps, a civil lawsuit is in order. That two officers couldn't control a non-resisting, middle-age, out of shape accountant without breaking his arm is a secondary issue but training standards have slipped, too. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/883799--officer-breaks-little-accountant-s-arm-but-no-charges-laid ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - 2 arrested after hail of bullets hits group in Vancouver http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20101031/halloween-shooting-101031/ 2 arrested after hail of bullets hits group in Vancouver The Canadian Press Updated: Sun. Oct. 31 2010 3:50 PM ET VANCOUVER: Two men in their 20s have been arrested after an early morning shooting that sprayed a group of young adults with bullets in downtown Vancouver. Three women and a man, all in their 20s, were rushed to hospital after being struck in various places, including legs, arms and wrists. Vancouver Police say the people were fired upon as they stood on a sidewalk, in an area of the city (Water Street) being visited by Halloween revellers. Police and paramedics were called to the scene around 2:15 a.m. and the suspects were taken into custody nearby a short time later. More than a dozen witnesses were taken by bus to a police station for interviews. Police say it's not immediately clear what prompted the shooting or if it was gang-related. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, November 1, 2010 2:26 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: LETTER: Drug dealers and gangs are doing the "gun toting" Forwarded with the permission of the author. - -----Original Message----- From: decline@pteradon.tera-byte.com [mailto:decline@pteradon.tera-byte.com] Sent: October-30-10 12:45 PM To: letters@theherald.canwest.com Subject: EDITORIAL: Court gives victory to principle of self-defence Dear Editor, I applaud your editorial. However, you have one glaring mistake in the article. There are no longer any "gun toting" folks in Central Alberta (except for drug dealers and gangs.) Just recently a hunter was driving down a country road with his rifle propped up in the passenger seat (completely legal) and was reported to the police who sent out a "force" to "apprehend" this dangerous person. It is only 20 short years ago that this was a common (and STILL legal) sight during hunting season without ever a problem. Yet we are forced to keep our "tools" locked up, and ammunition locked in a separate room in a locked cabinet. Any thief, other than perhaps spaced out drug addicts (many of whom would think nothing of killing their victims in their glazed eyed stupor) would be long gone before anyone "following the rules" could get to their firearms. The thieves know this, which is why home invasions have become so common. The law protects them while criminalizing honest property owners. In the country, even if the victim was not already incapacitated and was able to call the police during a live invasion, they are generally at LEAST 1/2 hour away. Plenty of time for the criminals to ransack, vandalize, do severe physical damage to the victims, and be long gone and usually never caught. That the Chen case ended as it surely ought to have ended is great. Who paid his defense costs? Will he ever recover from this abuse by the "justice" system? But the fact that he was charged in the first place, is extremely distressing and VERY wrong. Don Klein Bon Accord, Alberta CALGARY HERALD - OCTOBER 30, 2010 EDITORIAL: Three cheers for Chen Court gives victory to principle of self-defence http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/Three+cheers+Chen/3750673/story.html?cid=megadrop_story ------------------------------ Date: Mon, November 1, 2010 2:37 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Grab your long guns, it's hunting season - by Connie Woodcock Note: Forwarded with the permission of the author Hi Connie, EXCELLENT article. I too have hunted all my life. Received my first .22 rifle at age 6. I have shot competitively, including school "turkey shoots" where the highest score would "win" a turkey. Even the local RCMP would come, not to supervise, but to compete. They were always pleased and supportive of 10 and 12 year olds, especially when the kids outshot them. EVERYONE had guns in those days. Several of us students actually carried their guns to school, as many walked as much as five miles to and from school, and shot the odd rabbit, or partridge to help put food on the table. The only "condition" we had was to open the chamber to be sure they were unloaded and lean them in the corner by the teacher's desk until home time. Considering that right up until I graduated from high school, virtually everyone in our community hunted and target practiced and owned several guns. I cannot recall ONE SINGLE instance of misuse because every child was taught the difference between play and real, and woe betide the behind of any child who "forgot." Only those who were infirm or unable to hunt for some reason, refrained from doing so. Those of us who could would readily share our bounty with them. Our lives depended on our guns and not for the reason one would NEED a gun for today. There was no theft or home invasions back then. Our laws have made being a "criminal" lucrative and SAFE. Kids played "Cops and Robbers" with cap guns and water pistols as well as "stick" guns, and not a single one of them turned out to be a serial killer, or any kind of killer for that matter. Those who were "deprived" from learning about guns and spent their time "playing" on vile web sites that feature "death" are the ones who are dangerous, as Kimveer Gill, Ghamil Gharbi, (Marc Lepine) and other misfits attest. The denigration of firearms owners, some seven million in Canada owning over 25 million firearms, if the Liberal's gun surveys of 1979 and projections were even remotely accurate, has been unrelenting and vicious. Thanks to objective and honest people like you, it seems this may be finally changing. Heartfelt thanks again, and keep up your wonderful work. Don Klein Bon Accord, Alberta PS: You would be amazed at how many people "hate wild meat." I have cured a few by offering them a "beef" sandwich, and invariably they ask for seconds. I almost exclusively eat nothing but deer and moose. (At near 70 I just had my annual checkup. NO cholesterol, and blood pressure 105/65! And no fat!) I didn't get a "moose draw" this year, but have an adequate supply from last year. If killed and handled properly, there IS no "wild taste" to harvested ungulates. And the "wild" meat is exceptionally healthy. No cholesterol, no chemicals or hormones, and no fat. Beautiful. BTW I also hunt migratory birds, but have NEVER shot a "woodcock!" - ------------------- TORONTO SUN - OCTOBER 30, 2010 Grab your long guns, it's hunting season: Woodcock Our numbers show one thing: The firearms registry has done nothing to Canada's murder rate By CONNIE WOODCOCK, TORONTO SUN http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/connie_woodcock/2010/10/29/15884321.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:41:38 -0400 From: Mark L Horstead Subject: RE: Vancouver Sun - Loaded rocket launcher found on Vancouver > From: Bruce Mills > Sent: 1-Nov-10 3:19 PM > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: RE: Vancouver Sun - Loaded rocket launcher found on Vancouver > According to Wikipedia, the M72 has a effective range of 200 > meters. It's not so easy to hit a stationary target at that range, either, without a bunch of practice. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:07:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - The tendency to vote liberal might be in your genes http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/20101029/liberal-gene-101030/ The tendency to vote liberal might be in your genes CTV.ca News Staff Updated: Sat. Oct. 30 2010 2:16 PM ET Whether you lean "left" or "right" in your political views might have a lot to do with your genes, intriguing new research suggests. A study published this week in the Journal of Politics has uncovered what some are calling "the liberal gene," a gene variant that appears to predispose people to liberal political views. The gene that researchers have identified is called DRD4 and is an already well known dopamine receptor gene. The receptor is activated by dopamine, a neurotransmitter that affects the brain processes that control emotional response and the ability to experience pleasure and pain, among other things. Previous research has shown a connection between a variant of this gene and "novelty-seeking behaviour," meaning that people who have the variant appear to be more open and receptive to new experiences. The researchers in this study, led by James H. Fowler of Univeristy of California San Diego, wanted to know whether people with the gene also tended toward political liberalism. So they focused on 2,000 participants from The National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which is a long-term study that began tracking participants as teenagers to see how their social environments and behaviours are linked to their health and achievement outcomes into young adulthood. Fowler and his team theorized that people with the DRD4 gene variant would be more interested in learning about their friends' points of view. So, those who had a greater-than-average number of friends would be exposed to a wider variety of social norms and lifestyles, which might make them more liberal than average. The researchers matched the genetic information of the participants with maps of their social networks. They say that allowed them to show that people with the DRD4 gene variant were more likely to be liberal as adults - -- but only if they had an active social life in adolescence. "It is the crucial interaction of two factors – the genetic predisposition and the environmental condition of having many friends in adolescence – that is associated with being more liberal," the authors write. Their finding held true, they report, regardless of gender, ethnicity, culture, or age. "These findings suggest that political affiliation is not based solely on the kind of social environment people experience," said Fowler, professor of political science and medical genetics at UC San Diego. Fowler says more research is needed to see if others can replicate their findings in larger groups. But for now, he says, his team's findings point to the need to further explore the potential interaction of biology and environment. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, November 1, 2010 5:58 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: CACP Supports Government Act to Update Investigative Powers for the 21st Century Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police Date: 2010/11/1 Subject: Media Release: CACP Supports Government Act to Update Investigative Powers for the 21st Century MEDIA RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE November 1, 2010 CACP Supports Government Act to Update Investigative Powers for the 21st Century OTTAWA, ON - Today, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) stands together with the Government of Canada and the introduction of the "Investigative Powers for the 21st Century Act." This new legislation has been introduced by the Minister of Justice, the Honourable Rob Nicholson and Minister of Public Safety, the Honourable Vic Toews and with the support of Chief William Blair, President of the CACP. "The role of police services has quickly transformed beyond localized community-based law enforcement given the rapid advances and reach of today's communication and internet-based technologies" stated Chief Blair. "We are guided by the principle of every Canadian's right to a reasonable expectation of privacy. We also believe Canadians recognize the need for law enforcement to more effectively combat criminal activities which rely on rapidly evolving technologies - the global internet, cellular and computer-based networks." "Currently, law enforcement is bound by legislation created in 1974. Technology and criminal activity has changed dramatically since that time. This new legislation responds to today's needs and will allow police to improve their ability to protect the communities we serve." The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) was established in 1905 and represents approximately 1,000 police leaders from across Canada. The Association is dedicated to the support and promotion of efficient law enforcement and to the protection and security of the people of Canada. Through its member police chiefs and other senior police executives, the CACP represents in excess of 90% of the police community in Canada which include federal, First Nations, provincial, regional and municipal, transportation and military police leaders. For further information, please contact: Timothy M. Smith, Government Relations & Communications Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police Tel.: 613-601-0692 Email: timsmith2000@rogers.com COMMUNIQUÉ POUR DIFFUSION IMMÉDIATE Le 1er novembre 2010 L'ACCP appuie le projet de loi présenté par le gouvernement pour créer des pouvoirs d'enquête du 21e siècle OTTAWA (ONTARIO) - L'Association canadienne des chefs de police (ACCP) a annoncé aujourd'hui qu'elle est solidaire avec le gouvernement du Canada dans le contexte du projet de « Loi sur les pouvoirs d'enquête au 21e siècle ». Ces mesures législatives ont été présentées par le ministre de la Justice l'honorable Rob Nicholson et le ministre de la Sécurité publique l'honorable Vic Toews, avec l'appui du président de l'ACCP le chef William Blair. « Le rôle des services policiers a rapidement dépassé l'application de la loi à l'échelle des collectivités vu l'évolution et la portée des technologies modernes de communication et d'Internet, a affirmé le chef Blair. Nous suivons le principe que chaque Canadien a droit à des attentes raisonnables en matière de vie privée. Nous croyons aussi que les Canadiens reconnaissent la nécessité que l'application de la loi combatte plus efficacement les activités criminelles exploitant les technologies de pointe - - le téléphone cellulaire, Internet et autres réseaux informatiques. « À l'heure actuelle, l'application de la loi est encadrée par des lois datant de 1974. La technologie et l'activité criminelle ont radicalement changé depuis lors. Ce nouveau projet de loi tient compte des besoins d'aujourd'hui et permettra à la police de mieux protéger nos collectivités. » L'ACCP a été fondée en 1905 et elle représente quelque 1000 dirigeants policiers de toutes les régions du Canada. Elle s'emploie à appuyer et promouvoir l'efficacité dans l'application de la loi ainsi que la protection et la sécurité de la population du Canada. Par l'entremise de ses membres chefs de police et autres hauts dirigeants policiers, l'ACCP représente plus de 90 % du milieu policier au Canada, y compris aux échelons fédéral, provincial, régional et municipal, au sein des Premières Nations, dans les transports et dans les Forces canadiennes. Renseignements : Timothy M. Smith Relations gouvernementales et communications Association canadienne des chefs de police Tél. : 613-601-0692 Courriel : timsmith2000@rogers.com ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #160 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)