Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, November 10 2010 Volume 14 : Number 167 In this issue: Hunting Accident? B.C. inventor courts Canadian market for self-defence zapper Re: Hunting Accident? CBC - Woman killed in Markham home invasion CTV - Police recover dozens of guns, lay 260 charges CTV - Toronto rapper shot dead at Mississauga hotel CBC - Man shot dead as child waits in car canada.com - Firearms screening is extensive CBC - Shooting range owner defends business FW: SMALL ARMS SURVEY: Timor-Leste Armed Violence Assessment Re: canada.com - Firearms screening is extensive Butchered like Lambs at the Slaughter Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #166 Ex-cop jailed for ignoring ban on talking to woman Police seek cash from families of victim’s shot_by_police ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:49:59 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Hunting Accident? Re: Hunting Accident? Stephen George Bellavie, died suddenly, in Terrace, BC, October 8, 2010. born December 31, 1959, passed away. Published in the Victoria Times-Colonist from 11/2/2010 - 11/6/2010. A friend asked if this were a hunting accident. Has anyone heard about this death? Please advise. Thanks. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, November 9, 2010 9:19 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: B.C. inventor courts Canadian market for self-defence zapper VANCOUVER SUN - NOVEMBER 9, 2010 B.C. inventor courts Canadian market for self-defence zapper By Darrell Bellaart, Nanaimo Daily News November 8, 2010 http://www.vancouversun.com/news/canada/inventor+courts+Canadian+market+self +defence+zapper/3797269/story.html NANAIMO, B.C. - A B.C. inventor says he has designed a device that packs an electrical wallop for anyone in need of protection from an attacker. David Norman of Gabriola Island said he is taking orders for his Quasar portable personal stun device online, but is holding off selling them until he sorts out the legal hassles that might prevent him from marketing them in Canada. Electrical devices without the Canadian Standards Association seal are not allowed to be sold in B.C. RCMP have expressed an interest in the device, which packs a 900-volt shock. That's far less than the 50,000-volt punch of the stun devices used by police, but what's not clear is whether the device fits the legal definition of a prohibited weapon. An RCMP use-of-force expert could not be reached for comment, but Norman said he expects to hear from police before he can sell the device in Canada. "Of course the legal issues only apply to Canada. There's a much larger market in the U.S. and there's a big world out there," Norman said. The former British aerospace engineer came to Canada nine years ago. He said he got the idea for his device when he accidentally broke open a hand-held bug zapper, exposing the circuitry inside. He built a personal protection device, which he used for a few years, then three years ago he started to develop a marketable prototype. The result is the Quasar, not much bigger than a disposable lighter. Available in a range of colours, it lists for $49.95 on www.quasarpsd.com In his home shop Norman builds everything from the circuitry to the moulded plastic shells of the units. He has mortgaged his house and is looking for an investor to make it a success. "I've gambled everything," he said. "I'm probably $230,000 in debt right now." He checked the legal definition of prohibited weapon and said it boils down to whether it is "capable of injuring, immobilizing or incapacitating an individual." Norman expects it will take a court ruling to decide if the product is legal. "It would be unfortunate if Canada bans this. I think it would be a great Canadian product." Video: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:22:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Hunting Accident? - --- On Tue, 11/9/10, Edward Hudson wrote: > A friend asked if this were a hunting accident. > > Has anyone heard about this death? Nothing turns up in the news via a google search; you can be pretty sure if a gun was involved, it would be in the news... Yours in TYRANNY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CBC - Woman killed in Markham home invasion http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/11/09/markham-homicide.html Woman killed in Markham home invasion Last Updated: Tuesday, November 9, 2010 | 12:58 PM ET CBC News Police say they are looking for three intruders who shot and killed a woman and injured her husband during a home invasion in Markham, Ont., on Monday night. Police received a 911 call from a home on Helen Avenue in the Highway 407 and Kennedy Road area at about 10:30 p.m. ET. "The call involved a shooting that happened inside the residence," said Insp. Fred Moffat of York regional police. The family had been tied up, but the daughter managed to free herself and call police. When police arrived they found the 53-year-old woman inside the home. She had been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene. Her 57-year-old husband had also been shot and was taken to hospital. Police said his injuries were not life-threatening. "It is a confirmed homicide," Moffat said. "We have one person deceased. We have a second victim that's been shot as well and then hospitalized." The daughter, who is 24, wasn't injured. "The wife was very home orientated," said realtor Gino Circosta who sold the family their home. "She was always very proud of her house and her kids - and the father was a hard-working guy." Neighbours said they were surprised by the commotion in what is normally a quiet area. "I was just going to bed when I saw the [police] lights going on and I said, 'What's going on?'" said neighbour Rudy Ip. "I saw cops searching in the backyard with lights and helicopters searching around." The three assailants were described in a police news release as male and black. One spoke with a Caribbean accent, the release said. Police say they don't know the motive or how the three intruders got into the home. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:28:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Police recover dozens of guns, lay 260 charges http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101109/police-firearms-investigation-101109/20101109/?hub=TorontoNewHome Police recover dozens of guns, lay 260 charges Updated: Tue Nov. 09 2010 2:02:42 PM ctvtoronto.ca Toronto police said Tuesday they have recovered dozens of firearms in an investigation that has left a Richmond Hill man facing 260 criminal charges. The chain of events began last Thursday when police made an arrest in connection with a firearms investigation, police said in a news release. "The accused was arrested on outstanding warrants and upon arrest was in possession of three replica handguns," police said. On Friday, police said they executed a search warrant at a storage facility located near Greensboro Drive and Kipling Avenue. As a result of that search, police allege they recovered: * 13 long guns * 22 handguns * three prohibited devices * 5,581 rounds of ammunition On Saturday, another search warrant was executed at a Richmond Hill home where police allege they seized two handguns and 181 rounds of ammunition. Toronto police said they worked with several other agencies, including the national weapons enforcement support team, provincial weapons enforcement unit, and Durham Regional Police Service. "The investigation revealed that all the firearms recovered by police were stolen in Durham Region between Tuesday, Oct. 26 and Wednesday, Oct. 27," police said. "Six handguns reported stolen are outstanding." Police say Eric Reid, 25 of Richmond Hill faces a total of 260 firearms-related offences. Reid is to appear in court on Wednesday. No allegations against Reid have been proven in a court of law. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:33:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Toronto rapper shot dead at Mississauga hotel http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101108/hotel-death-101108/20101108/?hub=TorontoNewHome Toronto rapper shot dead at Mississauga hotel Updated: Mon Nov. 08 2010 8:06:12 PM ctvtoronto.ca Peel Regional Police homicide investigators spent their Monday at a Mississauga hotel gathering evidence in the shooting death of an aspiring Toronto rapper. Donald Richard Grant, 27, died in hospital Sunday night after he was shot at the Holiday Inn Express at 5585 Ambler Dr., near Dixie Road and Highway 401. He is the region's sixth homicide victim of 2010. Const. Thomas Ruttan, a Peel police spokesperson, said the victim was rushed to a Mississauga hospital shortly before 10 p.m., but died of his injuries a short time later. Police with dogs from the canine unit searched the area Sunday night, but no arrests have been made. Ruttan said a suspect was seen leaving the scene, but added police could not provide a description at this point. Investigators have not recovered the firearm used in the shooting. A blue Dodge was removed from the hotel parking lot Monday morning and taken to Peel Regional Police's Brampton headquarters. They also removed boxes of possible evidence from Grant's room. Investigators do have images captured by the hotel's security cameras, but it isn't clear if the suspect's image was captured -- or whatever happened before the shooting. As the police investigation at the hotel continued Monday, hotel guests were being asked to show identification in order to enter. Guests told CTV Toronto they heard nothing at the time of the incident. Grant billed himself as recording artist Don Kartel on his website. A hip hop scene observer described the rapper as hardworking and talented. "This is the 4th rapper murdered in Toronto this year and I knew three out of the four," Kemi Omololu-Olunloyo wrote on her blog HipHossip.com. "One of his last tweets read, 'I have no respect for pistols.' He never supported guns!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CBC - Man shot dead as child waits in car http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/09/bc-new-westminster-homicide.html?ref=rss&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r1:c0.079523:b39115122 Man shot dead as child waits in car Last Updated: Tuesday, November 9, 2010 | 9:13 AM PT CBC News A man was shot and killed next to his car in New Westminster, B.C., on Monday night as a three-year-old boy sat inside the vehicle. The shooting took place at around 8 p.m. PT on 10th Street near the intersection with Cornwall Street. Corp. Dale Carr of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team said the boy was unharmed, but his connection to the victim and the victim's identity have not yet been released. "We have information that there was a small three-year-old child with the male. That child was not harmed, and is currently in the care of its mother," said Carr. The man, whose name has not been released, has not been linked by police to drugs or gangs and homicide investigators are trying to determine why the man was apparently targeted in the shooting, said Carr. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: canada.com - Firearms screening is extensive http://www.canada.com/Firearms+screening+extensive/3782206/story.html Firearms screening is extensive Restricted weapon used in murder-suicide was legally obtained, police report By Danielle Bell, Daily News; with a file from Postmedia News November 5, 2010 Canada rigorously screens handgun applicants and rejects or revokes thousands of licences each year. While violent crime involving handguns is rare in Nanaimo, a pair of weekend deaths raised questions about how Gerrit Swart, suspected of being mentally ill, obtained a handgun police say he used to kill himself and his mother, 76-year-old Janetta, on Saturday. Like other legal gun owners, Swart would have been required to complete rigorous screening and training courses. Obtaining a gun in Canada can take weeks and involves criminal record checks, interviews and tests. In B.C. there are slightly more than 800,000 non-restricted guns and 93,026 registered, restricted firearms. Each owner must have a firearm possession and acquisition licence and complete the Canadian Firearm Safety Course. The 12-hour course involves written and practical components, including basic firearm safety and care. Those who pass send paperwork and a photo for a variety of background checks. The applicants and his or her references are interviewed. The Internet is also searched to identify people posting information that may indicate violent intent. An additional four to six-hour training course is required for people who want to own restricted firearms such as handguns, objects most commonly owned for target shooting or collecting, according to the RCMP. Licences can be rejected or revoked for reasons including a violent history, mental illness, or providing false information. Despite the hurdles would-be gun owners must jump, the local Firearm Safety Courses remain popular. According to the Nanaimo and District Fish and Game Protective Association, which offers the course to an average of 25 people a month, a growing number of women are completing the training. Of those completing the basic course, as many as half go on to take the restricted firearm course, according to Joe Michaels, who oversees firearm legislation for the club. "The course is very intense," said Michaels. "We put a lot of time into making sure they handle firearms properly." It's not known where Swart did his firearms training, or specifically what type of gun he owned. But police suspect mental health problems played a role in the family tragedy. "It's quite apparent for the actions to be taken, with such a grisly or horrific outcome, there had to have been mental health issues at play," said Nanaimo RCMP spokesman Const. Gary O'Brien earlier this week. Swart, an out-of-work bass player who lived in Vancouver, didn't have a wife or children, O'Brien said. Neighbours told police he often visited his mother, a retired teacher. "They knew very little about their relationship, if anything." O'Brien said police have no reason to believe Janetta Swart was ill. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CBC - Shooting range owner defends business http://www.cbc.ca/canada/prince-edward-island/story/2010/11/03/pe-irac-shooting-range-hearing.html Shooting range owner defends business Last Updated: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 | 8:52 PM AT CBC News Angie MacDonald, owner of the Big Boot Gun Club, spoke at an Island Regulaory and Appeals Commission (IRAC) hearing and for the first time addressed the neighbours who oppose the South Granville shooting range. She said she opened the business in June and was surprised when several people in the community expressed anger that it was close to their homes. Appellant Sigrid Rolfe asked MacDonald if she had attempted to contact her or any of the other complainants. "No, I did not," MacDonald said. Sharon Labchuk, leader of P.E.I.'s Green Party, lives in the area and contacted the environment department when the shooting range opened. Officials from the department assessed the property and talked to MacDonald about the operation. A permit was approved one week later. Labchuk and Rolfe then took their case to IRAC, arguing the operation is too noisy and expressing concerns lead from bullets will contaminate groundwater. Environmentally sound Glenda MacKinnon-Peters, the department of environment's hazardous materials specialist, told the hearing she is satisfied with the measures MacDonald is taking to prevent that from happening. "Given that they're proposing to sift the lead out of the soil and do follow-up analysis, that would address any of the concerns I would have," she said. Labchuk and Rolfe didn't return to the hearing after the lunch break and closing arguments proceeded without them. The province said it stands by its decision to grant the permit. MacDonald apologized to her neighbours for not consulting with them. She said because she had federal approval, she felt she had done everything she needed to do. "The complaint was that we didn't approach them, but we did have a lot of members of the South Granville community - well, neighbours - that did come up and visit us," MacDonald told CBC News after the meeting. "I've said as much as can be said. Like I said earlier, we're going to consider some baffles for noise to see if that helps and just hope for the best." IRAC is expected to make a decision about the range within the next few weeks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, November 9, 2010 3:37 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: FW: SMALL ARMS SURVEY: Timor-Leste Armed Violence Assessment From: Small Arms Survey [mailto:noreply@smallarmssurvey.org] Sent: November-09-10 6:00 AM To: Small Arms Survey Mailing List Subject: New Publication: The Final Report of Timor-Leste Armed Violence Assessment Download: The Final Report of Timor-Leste Armed Violence Assessment Special Report, edited by Robert Muggah and Emile LeBrun http://www.timor-leste-violence.org/pdfs/Timor-Leste-Violence-Special-Report-12.pdf More than a decade after independence and the violence and displacement that accompanied it, Timor-Leste remains a country in transition. Communal violence persists in rural areas, and small arms-left over from the pre-independence period and more recently leaked from defence and police forces-sometimes fuel both gang-related and community violence. This Special Report brings together research and analysis produced for the Timor-Leste Armed Violence Assessment (TLAVA), a project administered jointly by the Small Arms Survey and ActionAid over the period 2008-10 with support from AusAID, the Australian government's overseas aid programme. The TLAVA sought to marshal existing and new research to examine systematically the gap between real and perceived armed violence in Timor-Leste, and produce accessible publications to inform interventions. The Final Report summarizes TLAVA research findings published in five Issue Briefs and provides updated data and analysis on small arms proliferation, groups and gang violence, and sexual and gender-based violence in Timor-Leste. Based on consultations with local stakeholders, the project focused on three specific areas: 1. assessing risk factors, impacts, and socio-economic costs of armed violence in relation to population health-particularly women, children and male youths, and internally displaced persons; 2. reviewing the dynamics of armed violence associated with 'high-risk' groups such as gangs, specific communities in affected districts, petitioners, veterans, and state institutions, and potential triggers such as elections; and 3. the role of arms (included bladed, home-made or 'craft', and manufactured weapons) as a factor contributing to armed violence. The report includes contributions from Susan Harris Rimmer, Edward Rees, and James Scambary. For more information on the Timor-Leste Armed Violence Assessment, visit www.timor-leste-violence.org For more information on the Small Arms Survey, visit www.smallarmssurvey.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:17:13 -0700 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: canada.com - Firearms screening is extensive At 12:11 PM 11/9/2010 -0800, you wrote: > http://www.canada.com/Firearms+screening+extensive/3782206/story.html > > Firearms screening is extensive > > Restricted weapon used in murder-suicide was legally obtained, police > report > > By Danielle Bell, Daily News; with a file from Postmedia News November 5, > 2010 > > Canada rigorously screens handgun applicants and rejects or revokes > thousands of licences each year. > > While violent crime involving handguns is rare in Nanaimo, Despite all of the legislation controlling guns criminals are still committing crimes with guns and other devices. The firearms act seems to have failed to reduce violent crime, accidents, and to increase public safety. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:20:44 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Butchered like Lambs at the Slaughter Butchered like Lambs at the Slaughter Re: CUFOA s. 117.03 Court of Queen's Bench Report At noon today Jack Wilson & I made our constitutional appeal presentation of Criminal Code section 117.03 before The Honourable Mr. Justice R.C. Mills of the Court of Queen's Bench here in Saskatoon. We stated clearly that we should be charged for our intentional disobedience to the licensing mandate of the Firearms Act, but the police and the Courts use s.117.03 simply to seize and destroy our shotguns without benefit of trial. We asked Mr. Justice Mills to declare s. 117.03 "overly broad" and thus invalid. The Honourable Justice did not like our arguments. To borrow some of the lyrics from 'And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda', "in five minutes flat he'd blown us all to hell". Since I only had general principles from just about every constitutional document known to Canada, but NOT a specific reference to the specific words "right to a trial", Justice Mills thrashed everything I had to say. I fought back well in defense, but essentially we were "butchered like lambs to the slaughter". Justice Mills 'reserved judgement' and promised us a written decision. While I wait for the inevitable PFO letter, I will begin preparing an appeal. Thanks for all your prayers and candles burned in support of our efforts. While today was painful, I am not in jail like my associate Bruce Montague in Ontario. I live to fight another day. Sincerely Ed. The Right to Trial by Jury: http://www.cufoa.ca/articles/armes/armes_06_august_2010.html And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda Eric Bogle, Lyrics: http://www.pogues.com/Releases/Lyrics/LPs/RumSodomy/Waltzing.html Song: John McDermott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VktJNNKm3B0&feature=related ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:46:50 -0700 From: RickH Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #166 On 2010-11-08, at 4:22 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Date: Sun, November 7, 2010 11:30 am > From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" > Subject: UN's Small Arms Treaty scheduled to be ratified before the > end of the year > Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Precedence: normal > Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Well, they are certainly organized. And George Soros with other backers are certainly committed. This "treaty" is yet another attempt to present IANSA's anti-gun ideology as something that is grassroots. That's why Soros keeps creating and funding new organizations of left wing loons that he can later combine to look like a "movement". That's why Kookier the Coalition led the way in contacting and organizing around 700 various NGO's worldwide to form IANSA. It is all theatre. No substance, no facts and no logic. Just well-organized emotional theatre. But it's potentially dangerous theatre, too. The U.S. murder rate is now back where it was in the 1960's. Their gun laws have been going in the opposite direction. The truth isn't rocket science. There's no doubt that Gun Grabbers know the same facts and yet they persist. Why? Because Gun Control is not about Guns. It's about Control. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:28:48 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Ex-cop jailed for ignoring ban on talking to woman [You could pin so many labels on this, were would you start] Ex-cop jailed for ignoring ban on talking to woman By NEIL BOWEN, QMI Agency > http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/11/08/16039686.html SARNIA - A former Sarnia police officer who was under surveillance when he spoke to a woman named in a court-ordered communication ban was sentenced to 21 days in jail Monday. The 39-year-old man, who resigned from the police service last week, pleaded guilty to violating the ban between November 2009 and Oct. 18 of this year. The man repeatedly talked to the woman, despite being ordered not to because of sexual assault charges that are still before the court. A tip to police prompted surveillance of the woman. The man appeared in court Oct. 18, and the woman was at the courthouse. Police followed her to a Hwy. 402 truck stop where she met up with the former officer. He was arrested and held in custody. Police learned he had phoned her weekly since November 2009, and she had visited him in another community. The woman, an OPP officer, has been charged as a party to his violation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:58:06 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Police seek cash from families of victim’s shot_by_police [Talk about 'grim' justice]. Police seek cash from shooting victim’s families Nov 09 2010 Michele Henry Staff Reporter http://www.thestar.com/news/article/888355--police-seek-cash-from-shooting-victim-s-families The Ontario Provincial Police Association and former OPP commissioner Julian Fantino are seeking $92,000 in court costs from the families of two men police shot and killed. Levi Schaeffer and Douglas Minty, one with psychiatric issues the other with intellectual challenges, were shot dead in 2009. In both cases police say the men came at them with a knife. The 83-year-old mother of one man, Evelyn Minty, said she would be severely impacted by having to pay police a portion of the police costs of defending the action. “It's an exorbitant sum,” she said outside the courtroom. “But I want justice for my son. I really do.” The case resumes Dec. 9. The dispute relates to a legal action launched by the two families after the shooting. In their original court action the families alleged that officers involved in the shootings were “expressly authorized and instructed to delay completion of their notes.” The families also took issue with a union lawyer acting for both the officer who fired the shot, and witness officers. The notes are passed to the province’s Special Investigation Unit and form part of the official investigation record. Officers in both cases were cleared after the shooting. The families had sought a court ruling stating police must prepare their notes the day of a shooting or wounding of a civilian, and that they not be allowed to share a lawyer. Justice Wailan Low dismissed the case saying it was a matter for the legislature, not the courts. Justice Low is now hearing arguments about legal costs. "This is not an attempt by the officers to get a punitive order or obstruct access to justice," police union lawyer Ian Roland said. “We’re not the bullies . . . we were brought in and we shouldn’t be part of this.” Roland and a lawyer for former OPP chief Fantino are seeking a payback of the fees, with money to come from the families. Roland said that what the families had tried to do in court had no legal basis and because of that police should not have to pay the legal bill. The police union, on behalf of the three officers involved in the shootings, is asking for $74,616.16 in court costs and Fantino's lawyer is asking for about $17,500. The total bill tallies to $92,116.16. Julian Falconer, lawyer for the families, is calling the move "police intimidation." "The optics of this are brutal," Falconer told the court. "Because the families have asked for police accountability, they will now be punished." The case its on its way to the Court of Appeal for Ontario. Roland also said that SIU director Ian Scott should be on the hook for some of the bill because it was his press release about the note taking issues that started the cascade of legal action. "At the very least he supplied the ingredients for the cost stew which the applicants now find themselves in." In a press release about the Schaeffer case, Scott said the note taking practices prevented the SIU from doing a full and fair investigation and determining what happened. The families do not seek costs from Scott, Falconer said, noting that the families drew comfort from Scott's efforts in bringing the notes issues to light. Scott's lawyer Marlys Edwards defended her client's questioning of the officers actions. Levi Schaeffer, diagnosed with schizophrenia, was shot through the heart after two OPP officers in search of a missing boat glided ashore onto his private camp on a remote peninsula eight hours outside Thunder Bay. Douglas Minty was shot and killed by police outside his mother’s home in Elmvale, near Barrie. Police alleged that both men lashed out at the officers with knives. Schaeffer and Minty were killed two days apart. Schaeffer's mother Ruth listened carefully to the court proceedings. She said outside the court she already faces a personal $30,000 legal bill, which she cannot pay. "The spectre of a $92,000 bill would almost certainly stop anybody from questioning any public officer," she said. "But I firmly believe in the issue at hand." The Minty family calls this police move to go after costs the “ultimate insult.” For info on the two police shootings: Levi Schaeffer - Police notes questioned after man fatally shot > http://www.thestar.com/article/885007 Douglas Minty - SIU missed key questions after man shot five times > http://www.thestar.com/news/article/885473--siu-missed-key-questions-after-man-shot-five-times ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #167 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)