Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, November 13 2010 Volume 14 : Number 169 In this issue: A MODEST PROPOSAL FOR VETERANS DAY Re: Backlash grows over TSA's 'naked strip searches' *NFR* Re: Weapons charges for teen who walked with BB gun Careless Storage Of Firearms Moncton T&T - Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos CTV - Roblin teen dead, second teen in hospital after apparent Re: Careless Storage Of Firearms Re: Careless Storage Of Firearms Letter to the Editor RE: Moncton T&T - Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos PRAISE FOR "NO GUNS FOR JEWS" Column: Duck hunters save more birds than they kill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:17:16 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: A MODEST PROPOSAL FOR VETERANS DAY ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization November 11th 2010 JPFO ALERT: A MODEST PROPOSAL FOR VETERANS DAY by Aaron Zelman, Founder and Director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Copyright 2010 JPFO Would it be too much to ask from the government that American "leaders" embrace the forgotten advice of our founders to avoid "foreign entanglements"? On a regular basis, we Americans are called upon to sacrifice our children and loved ones, to send them to death to bring "democracy" to foreign lands. Most of these nations are simply not interested in our quaint notion of personal freedom. In fact, in many cases, the concept is actually repugnant to them. How long will we continue to be played for suckers? From this moment on, we should not defend any nation that doesn't have its own version of the Second Amendment, a widely armed citizenry. Why should we come to their aid, if they are not willing to take foundational responsibility for their own personal self defense? Can't we see that they don't share our most fundamental moral values? Why should we protect or empower them? Many of them are our sworn enemies. It is insanity. We the People must stop it today. Does anybody agree with me? The JPFO Liberty Crew Protecting you by creating solutions to destroy "gun control" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:11:15 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Backlash grows over TSA's 'naked strip searches' *NFR* This is ridiculous ; all they need is a scanner that will detect explosives and detonate them at discovery. Problem solved Ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gingrich" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: Backlash grows over TSA's 'naked strip searches' *NFR* > http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20022477-281.html > > Backlash grows over TSA's 'naked strip searches' > > cnet news > > November 11, 2010 > > Two months ago, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced > that the federal stimulus legislation would pay for the purchase of > hundreds of controversial full-body scanners. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, November 12, 2010 11:01 am From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Re: Weapons charges for teen who walked with BB gun AFAIK this kid broke no laws in any way. he did NOT have a firearm. He did NOT threaten or pretend it was a firearm. He did NOT discharge it, nor even load it. Also he could quite legally carry a long gun from one residence to another as long as it is unloaded and again not used to threaten anyone. He is being railroaded, plain and simple. Hope he has a good lawyer, but even so, the process is the punishment and he is being punished for having a harmless interest in firearms. Bigotry is alive and well in Canada! - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, November 12, 2010 11:05 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Careless Storage Of Firearms THE SOONEWS - NOVEMBER 12, 2010 Careless Storage Of Firearms By SooNews Staff for SooNews.ca http://www.soonews.ca/viewarticle.php?id=28536 28-year-old Darcey Ryan Sim of 107 Gibbs Street was arrested on the 10th of November 2010 at 10:07 p.m. at the Sault Ste. Marie Police Service in relation to an incident that had occurred on the 18th of October 2010 at 1:00 a.m. It is alleged that on that date the accused had stored a semi-automatic rifle and a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun in an unlocked vehicle with ammunition. As well, there was no locking mechanism on either firearm. Both firearms had been stolen by two young males who had been going through vehicles in the area but dropped the guns and fled when they observed police. The guns were recovered at the time. The Sault Ste. Marie Police Service would like to remind gun owners that vehicles are not wise storage devices for firearms unless absolutely necessary for transportation or during a hunting excursion. As well, ammunition is never to be stored with any firearm. During hunting season some people tend to store their firearms in their vehicle the night prior to a hunting trip or neglect to remove them upon their return. Once removed from the home firearms must continue to be secured according to law. Firearms should not be left in unattended vehicles or vehicles that are not in the direct sight of their owners. When in vehicles firearms should have a locking mechanism (i.e. trigger lock affixed) and not be stored in plain view (preferably locked in the trunk if in a car) and the vehicle itself needs to be secured (locked). Storage in vehicles gives a false sense of security as in most cases vehicles are easily broken into. Given the frequency of thefts from vehicles the risk is too great that firearms will be taken. Gun owners have an immense responsibility to ensure compliance lest their guns be stolen and possibly used in the commission of an offense where people may be injured or killed as a result. The Sault Ste. Marie Police Service takes this very seriously and will lay charges if warranted. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:42:51 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Moncton T&T - Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/search/article/1305086 Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos Moncton Times & Transcrpit Published Friday November 12th, 2010 If you've been using your gun club membership as a permit to transport your big-game rifle to the shooting range out of season, you're in for a rude surprise. A provincial court judge in Woodstock has delivered a not guilty verdict in the case of a gun owner who was using the long-held agreement between gun owners and the department of natural resources, known as the McCallum Memorandum, to transport his big-game rifle, only to get busted by game wardens for having a centre-fire rifle larger than a .22 in a resort of game last Nov. 25. So if the judge found him not guilty, you might wonder why this is bad news? Because the court did not recognize the McCallum Memorandum, in effect throwing out the means firearm owners have used to legally (or so we mistakenly thought!) carry their bigger rifles to ranges across the province since 2004. The McCallum Memorandum is named after Ernest McCallum, the province's one-time manager of client services for DNR, who is credited with coming up with a way to streamline the process of allowing owners of large-caliber rifles to take their rifles to ranges to sight them in, test fire them, or just blow off some energy on a nice day when there is no hunting season for big-bore rifles. Before the memorandum, a gun owner had to drive to a ranger station and get a permit which dictated at which range you were allowed to transport your rifle and at which time, and you weren't allowed to shoot before or after those permitted times - usually a couple of hours - nor veer from the direct route to the range and back home again. Issuing those permits cost DNR staff a ton of time (and thus money, YOUR money) for little benefit, so McCallum came up with a scheme whereby members of a fish and game club that had a range could use their membership as their transportation permit. Everyone was happy. The memorandum was to be in effect until 2006 as a test run, but it was never revoked. Now, leap ahead to last Nov. 25, shortly after deer season, when conservation officers watched hunter and gun enthusiast Jeff Young driving slowly down semi-rural Route 105 - legally a resort of game - after dark with his 30-378 Weatherby unloaded and secured in a case. When the officer asked for his transportation certificate, Young produced his gun club membership and a photocopy of the McCallum Memorandum. The officer was having none of that and charged him. Young argued the officer had no justifiable cause to stop him, but the court rejected that argument. He further argued his copy of the memorandum, combined with his club membership, allowed him to be in possession of the rifle outside big-game season, because the memorandum says so. The judge rejected that argument as well, which is the troubling part of this case for all of us who have relied on this memorandum for the past six years. "It is clear that while the memorandum sets out a department policy," the judge wrote, "that policy has never been codified in either the (law) or any regulation under the act." Young was acquitted however when the judge ruled that the accused was essentially arguing the defence known as "officially induced error," wherein someone who breaks the law can be found not guilty where they reasonably relied on bad advice from an official who is responsible for the administration or enforcement of a particular law. But Young wasn't out of the woods - pardon the pun - just yet. Remember, when he was stopped, he wasn't taking a direct route home, but according to his own evidence was taking GPS points at various locations on his way home from a trip to the range earlier in the day. The court ruled that still wasn't enough to convict him: "While a plain reading of the wording would establish that one could not drive around for days with the rifle in a vehicle, to say that one cannot stop momentarily en route is, in my view, an unduly restrictive interpretation of the plain meaning of the memorandum," the court ruled. So a not guilty verdict was entered, no doubt to the relief of Young and to other gun owners, but somewhat troubling due to the wider ramifications of the ruling. While not being a proverbial Philadelphia lawyer, it seems to me that the judge nevertheless has thrown cold water on the legal validity of the McCallum Memorandum, and that the thousands of New Brunswickers who use that, plus their gun club membership, in order to take large-calibre rifles to shooting ranges, have now been declared as acting outside the law. Sure, we can argue we thought it was legal, and maybe we'll end up with a judge sympathetic to that argument just like Jeff Young did. Maybe not, too. And I'm not sure anyone wants to go through what Young went through, being stopped, questioned, arrested and tried in a public court of law, not to mention the court of public opinion. It might also be reasonably presumed that his firearm was seized as well. No fun. Where this leaves members of shooting ranges and gun clubs in this province is anyone's guess. Are we to continue depending on the memorandum and hope we don't end up in handcuffs? Do we now revert to having to drive to a ranger station and fill out useless paper work in order to hit the range for an hour on a Saturday afternoon? Your guess is as good as mine. Personally, I would no longer venture outside my home with the ol' Savage .300 without a proper transportation permit, now that a judge has officially ruled that the memorandum is worth less than toilet paper. Here's to hoping the DNR fixes this, and fast, before someone else ends up before the courts for doing nothing more than the exact same thing that thousands of us have safely been doing since 2004. * Jim Foster is a Times & Transcript reporter and avid outdoorsman. His column appears on Fridays. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Roblin teen dead, second teen in hospital after apparent http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101110/wpg_roblin_101110/20101111/?hub=WinnipegHome Roblin teen dead, second teen in hospital after apparent murder-suicide attempt Updated: Thu Nov. 11 2010 19:10:03 ctvwinnipeg.ca A teenage girl in Roblin is dead and another teen was airlifted to hospital in critical condition in what appears to be a murder-suicide attempt. Paramedics and RCMP were called to a house east of Roblin in the RM of Hillsburg on Wednesday morning around 10 a.m. Roblin is about 235 km northwest of Brandon. RCMP said a deceased 16-year-old girl was found inside the residence, along with a 17-year-old male suffering from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. The 17-year-old was airlifted to hospital, where he remains in critical condition. RCMP said an autopsy determined the female victim died from a gunshot wound. Her death is being investigated as a homicide. Family members told CTV News that the female victim is Meagen Mancheese, 16. "We love you (Meagen) and we won't forget," said Jamie Maliteare, Meagan's uncle. He said his niece played on the basketball team for Goose Lake High School, where she attended classes in Roblin. He said Meagen was popular and a Facebook memorial page has been set up by friends in her honour. "All the world loved her and that's why it's so shocking," said Maliteare. "It doesn't matter who did it. It's done and we miss her." Distraught relatives gathered Thursday. "She was a very beautiful girl and we just love her," said Rose Paul, Meagen's grandmother. School officials said a critical response team will be brought in to Goose Lake High School to help students cope. Anyone with information on the fatal incident in Roblin is asked to contact Roblin RCMP at (204) 937-8054. - - with a report from CTV's Josh Crabb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:25:26 -0700 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Careless Storage Of Firearms At , you wrote: > >--=======AVGMAIL-77D76CB4======= >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >THE SOONEWS - NOVEMBER 12, 2010 >Careless Storage Of Firearms >By SooNews Staff for SooNews.ca >http://www.soonews.ca/viewarticle.php?id=28536 > >28-year-old Darcey Ryan Sim of 107 Gibbs Street was arrested on the 10th of >November 2010 at 10:07 p.m. at the Sault Ste. Marie Police Service in >relation to an incident that had occurred on the 18th of October 2010 at >1:00 a.m. It is alleged that on that date the accused had stored a >semi-automatic rifle and a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun in an unlocked >vehicle with ammunition. As well, there was no locking mechanism on either >firearm. Both firearms had been stolen by two young males who had been going >through vehicles in the area but dropped the guns and fled when they >observed police. The guns were recovered at the time. > >The Sault Ste. Marie Police Service would like to remind gun owners that >vehicles are not wise storage devices for firearms unless absolutely >necessary for transportation or during a hunting excursion. As well, >ammunition is never to be stored with any firearm. > >During hunting season some people tend to store their firearms in their >vehicle the night prior to a hunting trip or neglect to remove them upon >their return. Once removed from the home firearms must continue to be >secured according to law. Someone is not aware of the storage and transporation regulsations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:41:47 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Careless Storage Of Firearms - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: "Firearms Digest" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:05 AM Subject: Careless Storage Of Firearms > > THE SOONEWS - NOVEMBER 12, 2010 > Careless Storage Of Firearms > By SooNews Staff for SooNews.ca > http://www.soonews.ca/viewarticle.php?id=28536 > > 28-year-old Darcey Ryan Sim of 107 Gibbs Street was arrested on the 10th > of > November 2010 at 10:07 p.m. at the Sault Ste. Marie Police Service in > relation to an incident that had occurred on the 18th of October 2010 at > 1:00 a.m. It is alleged that on that date the accused had stored a > semi-automatic rifle and a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun in an unlocked > vehicle with ammunition. As well, there was no locking mechanism on either > firearm. I can see the charge for no locks, vehicle unlocked , or removed firing mechanism as well as not keeping the ammo under separate lock and key.?< but the charge of careless storage would appear to be bogus ? When in a vehicle the guns are "in transport" and NOT in storage The careless storage charge should be dismissed out of hand but I doubt it will unless the judge is a gun-owner Having said that ? the gun-owner in question is a few bricks short of a load if he didnt KNOW the law.?Especially in todays nanny state where every gun-owner is a pariah. ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Fri, November 12, 2010 6:35 pm From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Letter to the Editor Re: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Weapons+charges+teen+walked+with/3805823/story.html This kid broke no laws in any way. he did NOT have a firearm. He did NOT threaten or pretend it was a firearm. He did NOT discharge it, nor even load it. Also he could quite legally carry a long gun from one residence to another as long as it is unloaded and again not used to threaten anyone. This was a common occurrence in the suburbs when I was a kid and is still the case in Rural Canada especially during hunting season. If the cops show any interest, it is to politely inquire if you are having any luck getting grouse for the pot. This boy is being railroaded, plain and simple. I hope he has a good lawyer, but even so, the process is the punishment and he is being punished for having a harmless interest in BB guns. Bigotry is alive and well in Canada! - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:44:32 -0800 From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: Moncton T&T - Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos OK, I live in BC and I'm not familiar with the laws in New Brunswick, but since when does a Canadian need a transport permit to take a non-restricted rifle to the range? Does not the license and registration give one the right to take a rifle into the field and to the range? Jim Pook Vancouver Island-North The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. - Albert Einstein - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of Bruce Mills Sent: November 12, 2010 12:43 PM To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Moncton T&T - Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/search/article/1305086 Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos Moncton Times & Transcrpit Published Friday November 12th, 2010 If you've been using your gun club membership as a permit to transport your big-game rifle to the shooting range out of season, you're in for a rude surprise. A provincial court judge in Woodstock has delivered a not guilty verdict in the case of a gun owner who was using the long-held agreement between gun owners and the department of natural resources, known as the McCallum Memorandum, to transport his big-game rifle, only to get busted by game wardens for having a centre-fire rifle larger than a .22 in a resort of game last Nov. 25. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:50:37 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: PRAISE FOR "NO GUNS FOR JEWS" ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization November 12th 2010 JPFO ALERT: PRAISE FOR "NO GUNS FOR JEWS" A truly rave review of "No Guns for Jews" has been written by Gary North, a prolific writer and financial analyst for decades. Please read the brief review - http://www.garynorth.com/public/7241.cfm - and make it a point to share with others today and over the weekend. 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In the wake of last month's deaths of 350 ducks in tailings ponds, duck hunters have taken a considerable amount of abuse from people attempting to put the incident in perspective. One Albertan wrote to the Herald, saying as a boy he recalled "hordes of hunters" trespassing on private property and blasting away with shotguns. Shotgun pellets and waterfowl "fell from the sky like rain," he wrote, claiming "millions of ducks and geese were destroyed" for the "true devastation of North American waterfowl." Another writer said waterfowl are "killed wantonly and needlessly" in the name of "sport." Yikes. It sounds horrific, all these crazed hunters running around in camo armed to the teeth killing helpless birds. So, I called Pat Kehoe to find out if I should be concerned about the annihilation of waterfowl by roaming bands of toothless backwoodsmen. Kehoe is manager of provincial operations for Ducks Unlimited. It was founded by hunters in the 1930s to preserve wetlands and ensure good duck habitat, but "our membership is a lot more diverse today," Kehoe said. "We still support hunters but our goal is to protect habitat to ensure sustainable populations of waterfowl. Hunting is a legitimate part of that, but so is bird watching and enjoying nature. About six per cent of our membership are anti-hunters." I contemplated looking up the number of licensed waterfowl hunters in Alberta, multiplying daily bag limits by the length of the hunting season and factoring in success rates, but federal fish and wildlife officials, who are responsible for migratory waterfowl in Canada, have already done it. According to Kehoe, Alberta hunters kill about 120,000 ducks annually. In Canada, hunters kill between 750,000 and one million ducks every year. Instead of "wanton and needless" waste, ducks are consumed for food, Kehoe noted. The North American duck population is estimated at 41 million. About 13 million winter in the Gulf of Mexico region, according to one hunting organization concerned about the BP spill in the Gulf. In Alberta, Ducks Unlimited has operated for 70 years. Working with 5,000 landowners, it has preserved about 950,00 hectares of habitat, which includes not just wetlands but surrounding habitat for bird nesting. The organization has about 1,800 wetlands conservation projects in Alberta and holds 105 funding events involving 1,700 volunteers. Nationally, Ducks Unlimited has secured 2.5 million hectares of habitat. So, all those scary hunters might be saving more birds than they kill. In addition to its own conservation projects, Ducks Unlimited lobbies for wetlands protection. Kehoe is concerned about the province's new wetlands policy, which abandons a "no net loss" approach, where industry and municipalities were forced to replace or compensate any wetlands they damage or destroy. Instead, a more flexible approach was recently adopted because, says Environment Minister Rob Renner, "not all wetlands are alike." It's true, says Kehoe, that some wetlands are more valuable than others for habitat and water filtration. Northern Alberta is water rich, but in arid southern Alberta, conservationists say the "no-net-loss" approach is better. "The no-net-loss approach is one we support," Kehoe says. Critics say the Alberta government has bowed to industry pressure on the wetlands issue. "The government has shown little backbone in resisting (industry) efforts," Joe Obad., associate director of the water policy research group Water Matters, recently wrote. Those camo-clad duck hunters, it would seem, are hardly the wanton killing machines they've been made out to be. Robert Remington is a columnist and member of the Herald editorial board. rremington@calgaryherald.com ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #169 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)