Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, November 17 2010 Volume 14 : Number 171 In this issue: Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos magnetic particle inspection Kimber conversion kit on Norinco? Peek-a-boo Fantino "Mafia's 'dark illness' infects Canada Re: Moderators, GunDigest, etc. I agree with Rick ! Re: "Mafia's 'dark illness' infects Canada Fw: Ft. Hood Tea Party's Winning Hand *NFR* Letter from Prison Washington Gun Owners' Appeal Seeks to Weaken City's... RE: Kimber conversion kit on Norinco? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:40:44 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos Talk about spooky!! This has never been an issue in Ontario. Fancy, it'd be like having an 'ATT' for long guns. The last time I checked Ont. Regs, the sticky wicket was being in possession of one's big-game rifle in an area where large game might be found - without an appropriate tag or seal - during an open season for deer, moose, bear, coyote or wolf, etc. I don't recall any mention of possession of over .22 at any other time - which clears the way to carrying for personal protection against predators . If one is 'legally' transporting as per the Hunting Regs, it'd be pretty hard to be judged to be actually 'engaged in hunting'. The Ontario shooting clubs would love this. > Gun-transport rules thrown into chaos > >> http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/search/article/1305086 > > Moncton Times & Transcrpit Nov 12th, 2010 > > If you've been using your gun club membership as a permit to transport your > big-game rifle to the shooting range out of season, you're in for a rude > surprise. > > A provincial court judge in Woodstock has delivered a not guilty verdict in > the case of a gun owner who was using the long-held agreement between gun > owners and the department of natural resources, known as the McCallum > Memorandum, to transport his big-game rifle, only to get busted by game > wardens for having a centre-fire rifle larger than a .22 in a resort of game > last Nov. 25. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:03:29 -0800 From: Walter Martindale Subject: magnetic particle inspection > From: Todd Birch > Subject: magnafluxing > > Anyone got an idea where I might be able to get magnafluxing done in > Canada? Engineering companies involved in the oil patch - forensic testing of equipment failure. companies that do forensic examination of aircraft, rebuild jet engines, and the aforementioned high performance engine folks. W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:16:35 -0800 From: "Fred Hoenisch" Subject: Kimber conversion kit on Norinco? Has anyone ever tried to put a Kimber .22 conversion kit on a Norinco NP-29? I emailed Marstar but, like last time, they never responded. Yours truly, Fred in Saanich ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:25:39 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Peek-a-boo Fantino [You know how much Fantino loves walking into the lions den; how long can the PMO keep him under wraps, he's not Cheryl Gallant]. Fantino needs to tell voters where he stands, critics say Nov 12 2010 Richard J. Brennan Ottawa Bureau > http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/890282--fantino-needs-to-tell-voters-where-he-stands-critics-say?bn=1 OTTAWA—Retired OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino is in political protective custody, his critics say. The usually blunt speaking Fantino, the Conservative’s candidate in the Nov. 29 Vaughan federal by-election appears to be running a textbook peek-a-boo campaign. He’s become a kind of virtual candidate. Voters can follow him on Twitter and listen to his messages on the campaign website but have yet to see him debate his opponents. The Toronto Star had no luck reaching Fantino or even his office despite several calls and an email. Liberal candidate Tony Genco, who worked for Art Eggleton when he was a Liberal cabinet minister in Ottawa, said he is curious to hear what Fantino has to say on many issues, not just law and order. So far Fantino has bowed out of one date for an all-candidates meeting because of a previous commitment but that has been rescheduled for Nov. 23. An organizer said he has yet to confirm whether he will attend. Genco said while he has enormous respect for Fantino as a former high-profile cop, he still believes that he owes it to the Vaughan voters to say where he stands on many things. “We have challenged him to a debate . . . but he seems to not want to do it,” Genco said Friday. “I’ve always wanted to talk to him about the issues that matter to the people of Vaughan and how he can defend Conservative polices,” he said. “I am really disappointed in his behaviour.” The high-profile former Toronto police chief is touted as a big catch for the Conservative Party, which has a history of putting up a wall between the public and its candidates. Fantino is widely known as a person with a short fuse and who does not suffer criticism well. Henry Jacek, a political science professor at Hamilton’s McMaster University, said the Conservatives are likely concerned that Fantino will say or do something that would torpedo the campaign. “That’s probably why they are trying to keep him under wraps because they are worried about a mistake or say something that is going to blow up the campaign,” Jacek said. “It is a strategy that is sometimes used but it does have it risks,” he said. Besides the pitfalls of trying out politics for the first time, Fantino has the added problem of having a longtime nemesis Gary McHale, a founder of Conservatives Against Fantino, dog him during the campaign. McHale has openly criticized Fantino and the provincial police force for their role in the 2006 aboriginal occupation in Caledonia, Ont. On Friday Elections Canada rejected the group’s application for party status deeming the name too similar to the Conservative Party of Canada. Even so, the group says it won’t change its name in order to qualify for third-party status in the upcoming by-election. McHale said Fantino believes anyone who disagrees with him is the enemy. “Conservative people have had enough. You can’t ignore us. If you do there will be a price to pay,” he told the Star. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:29:20 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Mafia's 'dark illness' infects Canada Interesting how Quebec and Ontario has pushed for a massive civilian disarmament program over the years and not for a serious inquiry into the corruption in the construction industry in their midst. Protection rackets will spread to other Canadian cities, likely they already have? Keeping us in the dark about the extent of organized crime is a major policy of the police in Canada. Politicians don't want to admit to a problem their policies contribute too. As I recall, former Assist. District Attorney, David Koppel in :The Samurai, the Mountie and the Cowboy" noted how restrictive gun control had assisted the rise of organized crime in New York City. http://www.thestar.com/article/890189--persichilli-mafia-s-dark-illness-infects-canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:49:08 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Moderators, GunDigest, etc. I think that Skeeter originally intended "The Digest" as a NewsGroup to facilitate Firearms Owners to get together to share Firearms in general and Related Activities, but with the ever increasing anti-firearms laws, "The Digest" grew into an information site where Firearms Owners could get together and Brain-Storm ideas to fight back against the Anti's. Places like Canadian Gun Nutz and others didn't exist back then. Since no "one" site did this back then, the idea of the NewsLetter being FREE was extremely important. MOST Firearms Owners had no idea what a Nightmare owning Firearms was about to become, and paying a Fee would of originally discouraged membership. As membership grew, so did the work that had to be done to produce The Digest. Unfortunately, due to the amount of time required to be Moderator, not many people could spare the time. When I was a Moderator, it was common for me to put in 30 hour work weeks, not to mention the cost of maintaining my own computer and paying for my own power, while other people's work week of only 10 hours more had to earn their entire living! There is also a great deal of STRESS to put up with with other Members constant bickering. So I agree that a Moderator should be paid something, but what is fair? Being paid something "might" have inclined me to stay on as a Full-Time Moderator, but charging a Membership Fee would "Guarantee" a loss of Members, and a flight to other, fancier Sites that are still free. There are a lot of Members that are on small fixed incomes, and a Membership Fee might be a reason to leave. I think that's why Skeeter intended The Digest to "always" remain free. Since The Digest is constantly trying to attract Moderators, more discussion on this is needed! I would be willing to make an occasional donation, but I'm on a very meagre disability pension, and I'd have to think twice about paying a membership Fee. That's my 2 cents worth from actual on-the-job experience. - ----------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, November 12, 2010 11:38 am > From: "Rocky7" > Subject: Moderators, GunDigest, etc. > There was a recent message somewhere about your site > needing more volunteer help, moderators, etc. > I don't have the time to help in that way, but I did want to > suggest to you an annual membership. That certainly wouldn't > bother me. There seems to be some template software out > there for discussion boards and I'd be quite happy to pay > $50-75/yr. for a membership. I expect adverisers might kick > in some, too, if the site was pretty. > > Here's another discussion board I belong to, which is eerily > similar to others, so I doubt these sites are all being created > from scratch! > > http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/ > > Has this been considered? Carefully? > > Rick Hemmingson > Lacombe, AB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:41:01 -0800 From: Len Miller Subject: I agree with Rick ! Date: Fri, November 12, 2010 11:38 am From: "Rocky7" Subject: Moderators, GunDigest, etc. There was a recent message somewhere about your site needing more volunteer help, moderators, etc. I don't have the time to help in that way, but I did want to suggest to you an annual membership. That certainly wouldn't bother me. There seems to be some template software out there for discussion boards and I'd be quite happy to pay $50-75/yr. for a membership. I expect adverisers might kick in some, too, if the site was pretty. Here's another discussion board I belong to, which is eerily similar to others, so I doubt these sites are all being created from scratch: http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/ Has this been considered? Carefully? Rick Hemmingson Lacombe, AB But, as you know, if fees are charged . . CDN will have to register and pay taxes it won't be as simple as it appears . . Len ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:46:15 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: "Mafia's 'dark illness' infects Canada - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry James Fillo" To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: "Mafia's 'dark illness' infects Canada > I know a young man who wanted to get into the recycling business early on > when it was all the rage ? He was politely informed that it wouldn't be a good idea. He got the distinct impression that organized crime was the requester.. Much the same as most funeral homes in Ontario have been taken over by organized crime ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:08:37 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Fw: Ft. Hood Ft Hood video, watch this before it is pulled off the net. http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?aid=3D11991 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:17:14 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Tea Party's Winning Hand *NFR* http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40012 Tea Party's Winning Hand by Patrick J. Buchanan 11/16/2010 Other than being the highest-profile Republican victims of Tea Party candidates, what do Lisa Murkowski, Mike Castle, Charlie Crist and Arlen Specter have in common? Other than being tea party insurgents who routed establishment Republicans in high-profile primaries, what do Joe Miller, Marco Rubio, Christine O'Donnell, Pat Toomey, Sharron Angle in Nevada, Ken Buck in Colorado and Mike Lee in Utah have in common? The answer, writes Tim Carney of The Washington Examiner, is that all the former are pro-choice on abortion, all the latter pro-life. Tea Party types and pro-life conservatives seem to be twins separated at birth. Carney continues: "Almost without fail the strongest advocates of limited government in Congress are pro-life and vice versa. Think of (Jim) DeMint and (Tom) Coburn in the Senate and Ron Paul and Jeff Flake in the House. They top the scorecards of the National Taxpayers' Union and also have perfect scores from National Right to Life." Carney's point: While all Tea Party insurgents and Tea Party-backed candidates seemed to agree on the economic issues -- deficits, debt, taxes, Obamacare -- they also seem united on other issues. Looking at the down-ballot battles in 2010, being pro-life is just one of them. Three Iowa Supreme Court judges who ruled that the state constitution requires recognition of same-sex marriages were denied retention, and Gov. Terry Branstad campaigned for giving Iowans a referendum to decide if they wish to outlaw it. Tea Party types and Iowa conservatives were not only opposed to the idea of men marrying men, they detest the idea of judicial dictatorship. In Arizona, Ward Connerly's anti-affirmative action initiative, which prohibits race, gender and ethnic preferences, won with 60 percent of the vote. Michigan, California and Washington have already adopted the Connerly amendment. Tea Partiers also united to back the Arizona law that requires cops to determine the immigration status of any whom, in a routine police encounter, they suspect of being an illegal alien. Passage of the law last April brought crazed comparisons with Nazi Germany. Opponents tended to go mute, however, when they learned that 70 percent of America stood with Arizona. GOP candidates for governor subsequently ran on pledges to adopt similar statutes. In Oklahoma, a proposition to prohibit use of Shariah law in state courts passed with 70 percent. Shariah law is the basis of law in many Muslim countries, as the Bible was once the basis of much law in America. What do these overlooked stories of Election Day 2010 teach? Far more than the Beltway Right, the Tea Party is in tune with the heart of America -- not only on taxes, spending and Obamacare, but on social, cultural and moral issues. National Republicans may stay out of these bloody battles, but they hold great potential for bringing out voters and driving wedges through Obama's national base. Consider. Establishment Republicans recoil from the issue of gay marriage. But, in 2008, while McCain was winning 5 percent of the African-American vote in California, blacks in California, urged on by pastors and preachers, voted 70 percent to outlaw same-sex marriage. The pro-life position is also a far more popular cause among black and Hispanic Americans than is the Republican Party. Oklahoma's prohibition against any use of Shariah law should be seen as a cry from the heart of America that we are and wish to remain a Western nation, a predominantly Christian country, and we wish to be ruled by our Constitution and laws enacted pursuant to it. The national outpouring of support for Arizona after that state came under attack for its law requiring suspected illegal aliens to show ID demonstrates how explosive the immigration-amnesty issue is. Republicans should not run away from it, for our elites are further out of touch with the people on this issue than any other. As for the Connerly amendment abolishing affirmative action, if the GOP wishes to win in 2012, the party will put this measure on every possible state ballot, especially crucial states like Pennsylvania and Ohio. What this panoply of issues testifies to is the true identity of the Tea Party. These folks are not single-issue voters, and they are not motivated by pocketbook issues alone. They have seen the America they grew up in virtually vanish. Look at how far we have traveled. We seem no longer able to balance our budgets, win our wars or secure our borders. Compared to what our culture was, it is a running sewer today. Working-class wages and middle-class incomes seem to have been stagnant for decades. Factories and jobs continue to hemorrhage to Asia. Company towns become ghost towns. Made in China has replaced Made in America. And as one drives through cities and suburbs, one encounters vast concentrations of people who speak some language other than our own. The Tea Party people are rising up to take their country back, and that's why they're not going away. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:23:23 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Letter from Prison [ This letter from Bruce arrived yesterday and is followed by some post-mortem Case Commentary ] November 6, 2010 Dear Supporters, It's been almost two months since the Supreme Court of Canada turned down our appeal. I've been sitting in prison since then and adapting to my new lifestyle. :( Actually, now that I've accepted my fate in prison, I've been handling it pretty well for the most part. The hardest part about being in prison is that ironically it's my family and friends that are suffering the most! Everything (almost) is provided for me in here but all the things I used to provide for my wife, kids, and community are now missing. As I mentioned, in my last letter, our constitutional challenge is over and we lost. There is nothing left we can do. I tried my best as did the rest of our volunteer team that put in countless hours and money into this effort. I'm only sorry we couldn't have done better. I guess there is some minor good news about our constitutional challenge and that is the fact that we didn't make it to the Supreme Court of Canada (SCC). That means there is still a faint hope that someone can still challenge the law with the hope of being heard at the SCC and winning. This person will definitely not be me. For one thing, I'm not good enough to accomplish this task and I'm also exhausted and "used up." In closing I would like to thank all of you that have written letters of support to Donna and myself. We've gotten hundreds of them, and I love reading every one of them. I'm sorry I can't write back, but I'm only allowed to send two letters a week and I need these for dealing my continuing legal fight to retain our property. Yours in Prison, Bruce [ Write to Bruce @ Jail: http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0407.html ] - ----------------------- CASE COMMENTARY: As Bruce implies, it appears that the judiciary had already determined to "dismiss" ancient constitutional law and principles of fundamental justice before the Montague firearms challenge began. Therefore a ruling from the SCC would likely have further solidified the government's war against private firearms ownership in Canada. That being observed, the full value of the Montague firearms challenge may not be realized in our time. It has been an exercise pursuing the idealism of a bygone era of legal and judicial principles. It has proved the point of those who warned us that Bill C-68 was not about public safety, but all about eliminating firearms ownership by prohibitions, confiscation, and harsh criminal penalties for paperwork violations. It has proved the point of those who warned that judges no longer uphold the constitution, safeguarding citizens against tyrannical laws. Instead judges interpret the law according to their enlightened vision of how the New Canada should look. Good-bye to fundamental principles of justice, such as innocent until proven guilty. Good-bye to the individual right to defend life and property. Good-bye to the right to own property, and to not be deprived thereof except according to principles of fundamental justice. Good-bye to a fair and impartial court system. Remembrance day just passed. Bruce and Donna did what they believed was their duty to defend all Canadians against bad laws -- laws that remove individual rights and freedoms while enabling the actions and objectives of a police-state. At this time each of us might ask ourselves, do our actions and commitments show that we value the freedoms our fathers fought terrible wars to preserve? - Ryan for the Case Management Team JURY NULLIFICATION: Dr. Joe Gingrich explains why the jury may be our last hope to fight bad firearms laws. http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0425.html FORFEITURE UPDATE: Remember Bruce and Donna are still facing the confiscation of their home and life savings. If you can donate to the their ongoing legal defense needs please do so today: http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0006.html#donate Write to voice your opposition to the Civil Home Forfeiture: http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0405.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, November 16, 2010 2:36 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Washington Gun Owners' Appeal Seeks to Weaken City's... BLOOMBERG - NOVEMBER 15, 2010 Washington Gun Owners' Appeal Seeks to Weaken City's Firearms Restrictions By Tom Schoenberg http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-15/gun-owners-in-washington-seek-to-weaken-city-s-restrictions-in-u-s-appeal.html Gun owners in Washington told a federal appeals court that the city's firearm registration process and a ban on some assault rifles violate their constitutional rights. The lawyer for Dick Heller, the plaintiff in a U.S. Supreme Court case in 2008 that expanded Second Amendment rights, argued to the three-judge panel today that the District of Columbia's regulations are so burdensome that gun owners are deprived of their constitutional rights. The rules are inconsistent with high court rulings, including Heller's earlier case, he said. The lawsuit, dubbed Heller II by gun rights advocates, seeks to overturn restrictions the city imposed after Heller's Supreme Court victory ended Washington's almost total ban on guns. "The district responded to the Supreme Court's decision in D.C. v. Heller by passing the most radically restrictive gun law nationwide," Heller's lawyer, Stephen Halbrook told the three- judge panel today. If the appeals court side with Heller again, gun rights activists in other jurisdictions would have an influential ruling to build on, Halbroook in an interview. Fingerprints, Photos Washington requires residents who want to keep a gun at home to be fingerprinted and photographed by police, provide a five-year work history, and note their intended use of the weapon. Residents must register every firearm they own every three years. Applicants must allow police to run ballistic tests on each gun they register. Firearms defined by the city as assault weapons and magazines that hold more than 10 bullets are banned. Halbrook told the judges the Supreme Court determined the Second Amendment right to own a gun is a fundamental right, limiting the scope of government restrictions. The solicitor general for the District of Columbia, Todd Kim, replied that the city has authority to keep tabs on who owns guns within its borders and to keep out certain types of weapons. "Our constitution guarantees a right to keep and bear arms, but not to keep guns secret from the government or possess military style weapons and high capacity magazines," Kim said in court. Heller filed the current challenge in July 2008, just 12 days after Washington lawmakers passed emergency legislation to comply with the high court ruling in the first Heller case. A federal trial judge dismissed the case in March after finding that the city's regulations were an appropriate balance between public safety and an individual's right to own a gun. The case is Heller v. District of Columbia 10-07036, U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. To contact the reporter on this story: Tom Schoenberg in Washington at tschoenberg@bloomberg.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:13:25 -0500 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: Kimber conversion kit on Norinco? It would take some fitting but could be done > From: Fred.Hoenisch@shaw.ca > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Kimber conversion kit on Norinco? > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:16:35 -0800 > > Has anyone ever tried to put a Kimber .22 conversion kit on a Norinco > NP-29? > > I emailed Marstar but, like last time, they never responded. > > Yours truly, > Fred in Saanich ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #171 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)