Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, November 25 2010 Volume 14 : Number 175 In this issue: letter to National Post (just sent) ... conversion kits Poll: What do you think of body scans? vote Re: Time to Join Facebook - Yes, Firearms Related Contract employee faces threat, gun charges Re: Time to Join Facebook - Yes, Firearms Related RE: conversion kits Re: Time to Join Facebook - MACLEANS: Cost of long-gun registry is far below Tories' "I did everything by the book to defend myself" -telegraph-New Credibility shaken over L.G. Registry numbers Re: Time to Join Facebook - Facebook/How Safe Are You? (CPC MP Kelly) Block staffer leaked confidential documents 88-Year-Old Man Jailed After Nursing Home Shooting ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: letter to National Post (just sent) ... This was the cover article of Saturday's National Post, and it is a long read. Ladies and gentlemen, I encourage you to know your enemy, and study how well they are organized ... we *could* learn a lesson, but probably won't. A charity with plenty of very long tentacles (fwd) http://www.nationalpost.com/news/charity+with+plenty+very+long+tentacles/3859570/story.html#ixzz15wILZfd2 Dear Sir/Madame, It occurs to me that one of the problems of the left is their steadfast devotion to their deep-rooted belief systems. Not only are they unable to contemplate beyond the obvious "correctness" of their position, but they feel that it is their obligation to evangelize, and to "correct" the thinking of those not "evolved" enough to hold the same opinion. The most disconcerting aspect of this group of well intentioned social re-engineers is that it harkens back to Stalin's "travellers", sent out into the world to spread the gospel of communism, even where it wasn't welcome. That little experiment cost the lives of over 23 Million innocent citizens of Soviet Russia, at the tentacles of their own state agencies, justified under the guise of a "class war". Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, November 21, 2010 4:56 pm From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: conversion kits I have never understood the appeal of these conversion kits. Wanna shoot .22? Get a .22 pistol! Wanna shoot .45 ACP? Get one! Wanna shoot both? Get both. Good guns are neither prohibitively expensive nor hard to come by, new or used. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:48:16 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Poll: What do you think of body scans? vote http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-airport-scans-pat-downs-refual-20101121,0,5604032.story Has the TSA gone too far in requiring all airport passengers to undergo full body scans or pat-downs at security checkpoints? a.. Yes. The Constitution protects Americans from such personal invasions. b.. No. The underwear bomber proved it would be too easy otherwise to smuggle explosives on board an airplane. Strict security is essential for every passenger's safety. c.. Yes. The scanners use X-rays, which can cause cancer. And the pat-downs amount to molestation. This is too much. d.. No. I'd rather be scanned or patted down than blown up. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/os-poll-tsa-requiring-full-body-scan-111710,0,5970838,post.poll Poll: What do you think of body scans? Has the TSA gone too far in requiring all airport passengers to undergo full body scans or pat-downs at security checkpoints? a.. Yes. The Constitution protects Americans from such personal invasions. (565 responses) 36% b.. No. The underwear bomber proved it would be too easy otherwise to smuggle explosives on board an airplane. Strict security is essential for every passenger's safety. (86 responses) 6% c.. Yes. The scanners use X-rays, which can cause cancer. And the pat-downs amount to molestation. This is too much. (561 responses) 36% d.. No. I'd rather be scanned or patted down than blown up. (343 responses) 22% 1555 total responses (Results not scientific) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:58 -0500 From: Norman Lapierre Subject: Re: Time to Join Facebook - Yes, Firearms Related Ed, I must caution people regarding Facebook. Whenever I post with my firearms persona (Griffon / CanadaCarry) I must carefully weigh each line before I hit the post/submit button. Being who I am and doing what I do puts me under the CFO's spotlight. One post out of context and the CFO will hang me in the village square to set an example for all to see. As you are well aware, many people post to the internet before ensuring that the content won't come back to bite them on the ass. While Facebook may be useful as a medium to spread the word, it is also a double edged sword, and must therefore be used with caution. Rest assured that whatever you post is being read by Wendy and her coven. While Facebook would give us more visibility to our supporters it also gives us more visibility to our opponents. Regards, Norman Lapierre norman.lapierre2@gmail.com On 2010-11-21, at 5:17 PM, Edward Hudson wrote: > Re: Time to Join Facebook > > I would like to highly recommend that we all join Facebook. > > We have the potential to interact with "more than 500 million global > users"; > "1.2 million Facebook users have said they 'like' Tim Hortons=82 > Facebook page." > > Pierre Lemieux has over 700 "Friends"; Chantel H=E9bert over 1,100. > > Through Facebook we can send eMail messages to everyone we know (who > is willing to accept our messages). > > Facebook can connect everyone to our WebSites & Blogs. > > I strongly suggest your visit & get started: > http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-join-a-facebook-network.html > > Sincerely, > > Ed. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:03:07 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Contract employee faces threat, gun charges [A tad more scary than a rusted out Ford]. Contract employee faces threat, gun charges UWO KING'S COLLEGE By JOE BELANGER, The London Free Press > http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/11/22/16269126.html Details are just emerging about a security scare at a University of Western Ontario college two weeks ago that led to an arrest and the seizure of weapons. Police confirm a man was arrested and weapons seized after employees were allegedly threatened at King’s University College. The man, a contract employee of King’s University College, faces three counts of uttering death threats and several weapons-related charges after firearms were seized from his apartment. Sources said the incident involved at least one other King’s employee, who was allegedly threatened Nov. 9. Police were called the next day and a search warrant was obtained for the suspect’s home. “We did get a call at about 9:30 a.m. Nov. 10 from someone concerned about the mental health state of a person and we went to that person’s apartment to investigate,” said Staff Sgt. Lynn Sutherland. Sutherland confirmed the man was also charged with three counts of uttering death threats, but police dismissed a media report the man had a “hit list.” Elgin Austen, director of campus police, confirmed he was contacted by city police about the incident, but said at “no time” was anyone on campus at risk. Todd Williams, 34, appeared in court Nov. 11 and was released with a promise to reappear. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:05:45 -0600 From: "Live to Ride" Subject: Re: Time to Join Facebook - Yes, Firearms Related > Rest assured that whatever you post is being read by Wendy and her > coven. > > While Facebook would give us more visibility to our supporters it also > gives us more visibility to our opponents. I will not post anything on Facebbok. I opened an account but when I heard that everything you post it becomes property of Facebook, I have been trying to delete my account but have never been able to. Avoid Facebook!! Scottie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:01:17 -0500 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: conversion kits Yes, but 22cal is a much better way to learn to shoot accurately without the picking up any bad habits that can happen with large calibre pistols, also 22 is much cheaper to shoot than say 45acp so you can get a lot more trigger time for the same money. Using a conversion kit you are re-enforcing familiarity with the grip and controls of the full size gun that you will be using. So a conversion kit is a good investment for a new shooter or any shooter for that matter. Regards, Tony > Subject: conversion kits > From: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca > Date: > To: cfdmod@scorpion.bogend.ca > > > I have never understood the appeal of these conversion kits. > > Wanna shoot .22? Get a .22 pistol! > > Wanna shoot .45 ACP? Get one! > > Wanna shoot both? Get both. > > Good guns are neither prohibitively expensive nor hard to come by, new > or used. > > -- > M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) > Rural Family Physician, > Sherbrooke, NS > > mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca > > "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:11:38 -0500 From: John Stevens Subject: Re: Time to Join Facebook - At 05:17 PM 11/21/2010, you wrote: >Re: Time to Join Facebook > >I would like to highly recommend that we all join Facebook. Facebook security is not something to write home about. >Through Facebook we can send eMail messages to everyone we know (who >is willing to accept our messages). With my simple mail program, I can send eMail messages to everyone I know and don't have to be too concerned about undesireable access. If you join, when you are about to use one of those "really neat" applications, take the time to read their disclaimers to see what you are giving them permission to do. I, too, have tried to unsubscribe. Your data is there for life. Sure am glad there is no paranoia in my family. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, November 23, 2010 1:45 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: MACLEANS: Cost of long-gun registry is far below Tories' MACLEANS - Monday, November 22, 2010 2:24pm - 16 Comments Cost of long-gun registry is far below Tories' estimates: report Savings would fall between $1.6 million and $4-million http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/11/22/long-gun-savings-as-low-as-1-6-million-pe r-year-report/ A 70-page report on proposed legislation to kill the long-gun registry found that scrapping it would save somewhere between $1.57 million and $4-million per year. The Conservative government, who was in favour of dismantling the long-gun registry, had estimated its costs in the billions. After the bill was defeated in September, Christopher McCluskey, a spokesman for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews, told the media that the long-gun registry cost $2-billion. Other Conservative MPs are on record saying that scrapping the registry would save taxpayers tens of millions of dollars per year. The contradictory report in question was commissioned by the RCMP in 2009 and became public today after the Globe and Mail received it through Access to Information rules. Peter Hall, the report's author, concluded that if legislation to scrap the long-gun registry were passed, the firearms program would eliminate at most, 63 full-time positions and some IT costs, for a savings of $4,025,000 per year. SOURCE: The Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cost-of-long-gun-registry-a-fra ction-of-what-conservatives-claim-report-shows/article1807833/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 00:34:40 -0600 (CST) From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "I did everything by the book to defend myself" -telegraph-New Brunswick Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:24:23 -0600 To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca The areas that keep to traditional Canadian values won't survive if the mounties aren't replaced and provincial governments stand up to Ottawa. Six days after the incident the veteran was arrested, his rifles and shotguns seized by the mounties. The three young criminals have received a $175.00 fine. Possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose got redefined with the Conservative C-17(91) and Liberal C-68(95). Like all of the gun law/regulations they provide an excuse for civilian disarmament. Someday, those communities that retake their streets will learn not to call the police. http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/1319856 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:21:00 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Credibility shaken over L.G. Registry numbers Dennis posted: > MACLEANS - Monday, November 22, 2010 2:24pm - 16 Comments Cost of > long-gun registry is far below Tories' estimates: report Savings > would fall between $1.6 million and $4-million > http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/11/22/long-gun-savings-as-low-as-1-6-million-pe > r-year-report/ > > A 70-page report on proposed legislation to kill the long-gun > registry found that scrapping it would save somewhere between $1.57 > million and $4-million per year. The Conservative government, who was > in favour of dismantling the long-gun registry, had estimated its > costs in the billions. After the bill was defeated in September, > Christopher McCluskey, a spokesman for Public Safety Minister Vic > Toews, told the media that the long-gun registry cost $2-billion. > Other Conservative MPs are on record saying that scrapping the > registry would save taxpayers tens of millions of dollars per year. > The contradictory report in question was commissioned by the RCMP in > 2009 and became public today after the Globe and Mail received it > through Access to Information rules. Peter Hall, the report's author, > concluded that if legislation to scrap the long-gun registry were > passed, the firearms program would eliminate at most, 63 full-time > positions and some IT costs, for a savings of $4,025,000 per year. > > SOURCE: The Globe and Mail > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cost-of-long-gun-registry-a-fra > ction-of-what-conservatives-claim-report-shows/article1807833/ The more this whole sad tale shakes down, the more I feel blessed for not finishing and submitting my paper to the Committee studying closing down the registry. Thank gosh I got too busy with other matters to finish the task - because the fundamental rationale I hoped to exploit - based on info released by 'my' gov't have since been found bogus. One of the prime ones, "Every police contact with CPIC is automatically tallied as a check with the 'registry'." Cheliak testifying before the SECU: > When we go back to the 2.3 million queries per year, we have to > remember that there were 66 million CPIC queries on persons in 2008 > as well. So when we say every CPIC query generates a CFRO query, > that's not the case. Frankly, I read all the 700 plus comments to the Globe article and many jabs and retorts were 'off-the-wall'. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:32:33 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Time to Join Facebook - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stevens" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Time to Join Facebook - > At 05:17 PM 11/21/2010, you wrote: >>Re: Time to Join Facebook > > I, too, have tried to unsubscribe. Your data is there for life. > > Sure am glad there is no paranoia in my family. Mr. Stevens I applaud your motion to join Facebook ,it perhaps,? is an idea whose time has come ?? It sure beats the acrimony that many on here seem to revel in......even though on the surface it seems a good idea ?, At least its a positive idea.Well done. But ? do you realize that CSIS and the RCMP and who knows what other government wonk departments are reading, saving ,and cataloging any posts that MAY /? be used against gun-owners now or in the future ? IF you trust government? all well and good for you ,but personally I dont trust the police, or government as they have shown us(by their actions ) to be our enemies NOT our friends. A case in point: The police claim that they access the gun registry 10,000 x a day is pure fabrication which I am sure you are aware of.? Leading the public to believe that they are all gun access queries. Which is a lie, as has been proven . So ,as they log our posts what is to say that they will NOT manipulate these self same posts to enure to their benefit,? much as they have manipulated the access to the gun registry claims ? I dont consider myself paranoid, but I do see the world as it is , not as it should be. Be forewarned Ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:38:26 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Facebook/How Safe Are You? Re: Facebook/How Safe Are You? Several members of the CFD have expressed concerns about Facebook with valid reasons. But once you connect your computer to the InterNet how safe are you anywhere? Sincerely, Eduardo Canadian firms face cyberspace threat: report BY JANICE TIBBETTS, POSTMEDIA NEWS NOVEMBER 24, 2010 http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Canadian+firms+face+cyberspace+threat+report/3875963/story.html A secret government report on cyberattacks says that 86 per cent of large Canadian corporations have been "hit" and that espionage hacking on the private sector has doubled in two years. "Cyberespionage attacks are causing considerable economic damage," says the 2010 "threat paper," released to Postmedia News through access-to-information laws. The heavily redacted report was prepared by the Public Safety Department with input from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the Defence Department, the RCMP and the Privy Council Office. Cybersecurity expert Rafai Rohozinksi said that vast jump in businesses infiltrated by cyberhackers is "not surprising at all and, in fact, it's highly worrisome." He estimated that more than half of corporate espionage originates in China and involves tapping into intellectual property secrets. The report details the cyberthreat facing Canada and asserts that it is not only an economic issue, but also a national security problem, in that government is also a key target of foreign espionage and when "some terrorist groups are developing an interest in mounting cyberattacks against state enemies and, most likely, the capabilities to do so." An accompanying memo to Public Safety Minister Vic Toews says the paper was distributed to deputy ministers involved in crafting a national cybersecurity strategy to "inform them of the cyberthreats facing government systems and to provide them with potential mitigation measures." The released sections of the report do not detail Canada's economic losses, nor do they zero in on potential terrorist threats or other potential attacks against government. For instance, passages are blacked out on "key cyberthreat actors," espionage, and much of the paper's conclusions. Foreign intelligence services, however, are cited as a threat against governments. The Harper government, after years of promising a cyberstrategy, announced last month that it would spend $90 million over five years to protect government systems from hackers, work with the provinces and businesses to ensure private information is properly encrypted, and to help educate Canadians about cybersafety. Toews, in announcing his plan in early October, said he worries about the security of 130 government programs offered on the Internet. The government threat paper focused on deliberate attacks. While most electronic hacking inflicts relatively minor damage, a growing number of attackers are able to cause damage of national significance, such as sabotaging national security operations and causing critical infrastructure to malfunction, such as energy, utilities, communications, and transportation, said the report. It also touched on the well-documented use of blogs, chat groups and websites to hatch terrorist plots and the explosion in online theft in the recent years, in which billions of dollars annually are lost through high-tech methods to commit credit-card fraud, identity theft, and other commercial crime. Rohozinski, chief executive officer of SecDev, an Ottawa-based cybersecurity firm, said Canada's cyberstrategy spending "is really a drop in the bucket" compared to money being spent in the U.K. and the U.S. "The U.S. is set to spend anywhere from $40 (billion) to $60 billion in terms of looking not just at developing cybersecurity but looking at cyberspace as a domain in which they need to have freedom of navigation in ways that states previously sought freedom of navigation in the sea." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:52:33 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: (CPC MP Kelly) Block staffer leaked confidential documents Block staffer leaked confidential documents Amy Minsky, Postmedia News: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 http://www.globalsaskatoon.com/Block+staffer+leaked+confidential+documents/3877850/story.html For now, there is no telling how many people saw confidential pre- budget documents that were leaked from Saskatoon-Rosetwown-Biggar Conservative MP Kelly Block's office to three lobbyists -- two with connections to the Conservative Party. A House of Commons committee report on pre-budgetary consultations was leaked last Thursday, but wasn't recalled until after the weekend, despite the government's knowledge of the leak. NDP finance critic Thomas Mulcair asked House of Commons Speaker Peter Milliken to review whether the leak constitutes a breach of privilege. He is expected to reveal his ruling this week. "There's no way to know how many people have seen the document," Mulcair said of the documents, which address the nation's financial and economic future. "Now some people have access to it, and some don't. It's delicate." A staff member in Block's office circulated the confidential report, hours after the clerk of the finance committee distributed the report to members. Block said she was informed of her staff member's actions that same day. She has apologized and fired Russell Ullyatt, the parliamentary assistant said to be responsible for the leak. Conservative MP James Rajotte, who is chair of the finance committee, was also aware of the leak last week, but Rajotte said he waited until Monday to contact the lobby groups and ask them to return the report. Liberal and Bloc Quebecois members backed Mulcair's request for a review by Milliken. Bloc MP Daniel Paille said Rajotte should have contacted the lobby groups sooner. "Between Thursday at five o'clock and yesterday, there were 100 hours where the document could have floated around," he said, adding, "100 hours in the Internet is a lot." Block did not answer a request for an interview from Postmedia News. On Monday, she apologized in the House. "Over the weekend, I spoke privately with most of the members of the finance committee about the leak of a report of that committee by a former member of my staff," she said. "I would like to put on the record and say for all members of the House that I am sincerely sorry for the leak of the report." The three lobbyists who received the report were: Clarke Cross, a senior consultant with Tactix, who worked for Conservative MPs James Lunney and Leon Benoit when both were MPs with the Canadian Alliance; Lynne Hamilton, vice-president of public affairs with GCI Group, who has gained expertise "working with Conservative governments federally, provincially and municipally," according to her online bio; and Tim Egan, president and chief executive officer with the Canadian Gas Association. "This is a very delicate issue," said Mulcair. "Someone has access to privileged information. When you become aware of someone's position, you can approach them a certain way." Some members may also "reflexively" change their positions, or feel their ability to work freely, without outside influence, has been compromised, Mulcair said. Should the Speaker rule there was a breach of privilege, the case can be referred to the committee on procedure and house affairs for study. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:00:06 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: 88-Year-Old Man Jailed After Nursing Home Shooting 88-Year-Old Man Jailed After Nursing Home Shooting Updated: 2 days 14 hours ago AP > http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/roy-charles-laird-jailed-after-country-villa-healthcare-center-shooting-of-clara-laird/19727958 SEAL BEACH, Calif. (Nov. 21) -- An 86-year-old woman was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head in her bed at a Southern California nursing home Sunday, and her husband of nearly seven decades was found sitting next to her and arrested on suspicion of murder, police said. Reports of gunshots at Country Villa Healthcare Center came at about noon, and within a few minutes officers arrived from the California Highway Patrol, Orange County Sheriff's Department and three local police departments, Seal Beach police Sgt. Steve Bowles said. A tactical team surrounded the facility and soon entered. Inside they found Clara Laird dead of a single gunshot wound to the head, and found her husband Roy Charles Laird in a nearby chair, Bowles said. Officers recovered a .38 caliber revolver from Roy Laird. "It was in his pocket," Bowles said, and added Laird gave no trouble to officers who arrested him. Laird was being held at Seal Beach jail Sunday night. The scene at the nursing home was "chaotic" on a weekend afternoon with many visitors in addition to patients and staff, Bowles said. Bowles could offer no information on the motive or health of the couple, nor say whether any trouble had been reported between them. "They were married for almost 70 years," he said. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #175 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)