Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, November 26 2010 Volume 14 : Number 176 In this issue: FW: Steves Pages Gun Manuals No proof for gun charges: Crown St. John T-J: 'I did everything by the book to protect myself' N.B. man charged for pointing unloaded gun at trespassers Good News! Re: Facebook/How Safe Are You? Re: Time to Join Facebook - Police hunt for weapon violations Re: Good News! Re: Police hunt for weapon violations To: Canadian Firearms Digest OBAMA'S NAZISM COMES TO YOUR AMERICA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, November 24, 2010 6:51 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: FW: Steves Pages Gun Manuals http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:52:17 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: No proof for gun charges: Crown http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/proof+charges+Crown/3881436/story.html No proof for gun charges: Crown By Betty Ann Adam, The StarPhoenix November 25, 2010 None of the four people who were in a vehicle where a prohibited, loaded automatic handgun was found last year will be held responsible for possessing it. One of the passengers, John Edward Olivares, 30, pleaded guilty Wednesday to being in a vehicle Nov. 6, 2009, in which he knew the prohibited weapon was stashed. Olivares also pleaded guilty to an unrelated charge of obstructing a peace officer by running away while being arrested May 30, 2009, for breaching an undertaking to stay out of bars. He was given double credit for 66 days in custody and sentenced to 132 days time served for the weapons offence and 20 days time served for the obstruction charge. Olivares is prohibited from possessing any firearm, crossbow, restricted weapon, ammunition or explosive device for life. "This is a very gentle position of the Crown," said prosecutor Frank Impey, who told provincial court Judge Barry Singer the Crown would have had difficulty linking the 9-mm Walther PPK automatic pistol to Olivares. Saskatoon police had conducted a high-risk motor vehicle stop and found the handgun in a zippered pouch hidden under the fabric covering of a child seat in the back seat of a car driven by Shantel Pernitsky, Impey said. Olivares, who was wearing a bulletproof Kevlar vest and subject to a 10-year firearms prohibition, was one of two people in the back seat of the car. "The Crown couldn't prove he was the one in possession of the gun," Impey said. All four occupants of the vehicle were originally charged with careless storage of a firearm, possession of a weapon for a purpose dangerous to the public, possession of a firearm and ammunition without having licences for them, possession while knowing the firearm and ammunition were unauthorized and storing a firearm and ammunition together. Co-accused were Eduardo Ivan Antonio Martell, 24, Ivan Roberto Martell, 20, and Pernitsky, 27. Charges against the co-accused were stayed earlier this year. Olivares said he knows he was wrong to breach his undertakings and is trying hard to change his life. "This is the last time you'll see me in court," Olivares said. His lawyer, Haideh Amirzideh, said her client has been unable to find work because of his criminal history and court-ordered limitations on his activities. As a result, he has started a video recording company. In 2003, Olivares was prohibited from possessing firearms for 10 years when he was sentenced for leading a violent home invasion upon a man who had previously stabbed him. badam@thestarphoenix.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: St. John T-J: 'I did everything by the book to protect myself' http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/1319856 'I did everything by the book to protect myself' Justice: Burton man says he was protecting his family, property when he took an unloaded gun out into his yard SHAWN BERRY TELEGRAPH-JOURNAL Published Tuesday November 23rd, 2010 BURTON - A Burton man is facing a weapons charge in a case that's bound to raise plenty of questions about how far people can go to protect their property and their home. Lawrence Russell Manzer, a 45-year-old military veteran who grabbed his unloaded shotgun before stepping outside in the middle of the night last March to check on prowlers, was charged Monday in Burton Provincial Court with possessing a weapon for a dangerous purpose. In an interview after he was formally charged, Manzer recalled how his wife Denise jolted him awake after their phone rang in the wee hours of the morning last March 28. On the other end was a neighbour warning that three prowlers were in the neighborhood. "I understood that they were in the neighbours' backyard," Manzer said. He wondered if his car or shed had been broken into and decided to investigate. Then he thought of the neighbour who lives across from him. "I'm thinking his safety, my safety - everything kind of hits you at once. It escalates." Manzer said with a rash of petty thefts and vandalism on their small unlit street near the St. John River, the shotgun was nearby. "It was always ready, just in case. With the amount of people causing damage and the goings on in the neighbourhood, I thought I have four kids, a wife to protect, neighbours, neighbours' property. I didn't know who it was, if they were armed or if they'd try to break into the house." "I just put my pants on, that's all I had on, I go out to the steps, hear shouting see two people running across his lawn and people in front of my house." Manzer, who took restricted firearms training during his time in the military, said he knows he can't use potentially lethal force to protect property and kept the gun pointed at the ground throughout the brief incident. "I wasn't out there to take the law into my own hands. I never left my property," said Manzer, who said that between November and March, residents of his small neighbourhood had to contend with break-ins to sheds, thieves rummaging through parked cars and vandalism ranging from damage to Christmas decorations to uprooted fruit trees. "I yelled at them and said 'Everyone be quiet' and I told my wife to call 911." He said he watched as his neighbour rounded up three strangers - all of whom looked like adults but turned out to be minors. With the situation under control, Manzer, shirtless in the minus-13 degree night, went back inside and locked up his gun before heading back out. He said Mounties arrived on the scene 15 minutes later, took the three youths into custody and confiscated a near-empty liquor bottle. When a Mountie showed up at his door six days later on Good Friday, Manzer assumed they were coming to take a statement. Instead, he says he was arrested in front of his wife and kids. Then the Mounties seized his shotgun and hunting rifles. The neighbour who nabbed the youths was also arrested and told he was being charged with assault. That charge was not approved by the Crown prosecutor's office. Manzer, who said he was photographed and fingerprinted, has trouble digesting the turn of events. "For 45 years I've been a good model citizen. I've never had a need for a lawyer until now," said the federal employee, a retiree from the Canadian Armed Forces. "It seems the evidence of three kids who were out drinking carries more merit than my neighbour's word and mine." While he's now defending himself against a criminal charge, Manzer said he's heard through the grapevine that the three teens faced only a charge under the provincial liquor act. "I was kind of surprised," said Brian Fox, the neighbour from across the street who rounded up the teens. "We were the ones who called him and told him what was going on and he came out." Fox said because of the vandalism and thefts, he felt a sense of relief when they caught the kids. Aside from the damage to his shed, he said he had to pay for a lawyer to defend him against the assault charge that never materialized. "It cost me $500 to fight it, and we've got the shed damage. I'm out of pocket because I caught three kids in my backyard, and they get a $175 fine. It cost me almost $1,000. It's a small price to pay to have the subdivision safe." "Guess what? There hasn't been a problem since that night." He still can't understand why the youths weren't charged with trespassing at night. "When you see these kids, one was bigger than me. They were three young men." Manzer said he's frustrated by the amount of time it has taken to get the case to court. "It seems to be a simple case," he said. Manzer said he would do it all over again if he faced the same set of circumstances. "Yes, I would, because I did it in a safe, honest and legal way. I did everything by the book to protect myself and ensure my property wasn't being stolen." Blair McKay, the Fredericton lawyer who appeared in court on Manzer's behalf Monday, said he's reviewing the evidence. The matter is due to return to court Dec. 6. newsroom@nbpub.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, November 25, 2010 2:18 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: N.B. man charged for pointing unloaded gun at trespassers NATIONAL POST - NOVEMBER 23, 2010 N.B. man charged for pointing unloaded gun at trespassers By Vincent McDermott, National Post http://www.nationalpost.com/news/charged+pointing+unloaded+trespassers/3880006/story.html A New Brunswick man who confronted three teenage trespassers with an unloaded shotgun has been charged with possessing a weapon for a purpose dangerous to public peace, sparking a fresh debate over how authorities treat citizens who take action for their own protection. "A lot of people at work and around the area think it's outrageous that I'm being charged," said Lawrence Manzer, who served 18 years in the Canadian Forces as a radio technician. "Even complete strangers have been phoning to voice their support and express their outrage." Mr. Manzer's case went to court on Monday, but the charges date back to March 28, during a wave of vandalism and thefts in the Burton, N.B., area. He had awoken around 2:30 a.m., when his neighbour, Brian Fox, phoned to warn him three prowlers were in his backyard, and he was going to confront them. Both men had had their homes and cars damaged by vandals. "When I got that call, I just thought, 'Great. They're at it again,'" said Mr. Manzer. Wearing only a pair of pants in -13 weather, Mr. Manzer told his wife to call the police and grabbed his unloaded shotgun. "I stepped out front onto my steps with my firearm for my own protection. There was a lot of yelling and it was pretty dark," he said. "I couldn't make a lot of things out, so I yelled 'Be quiet. The police are on their way.'" He soon saw Mr. Fox had already been able to get the intruders to sit down. "When I saw that everything was all right, I went back inside and locked up my firearm," said Mr. Manzer. The RCMP soon arrived, and the teenagers were charged with underage drinking. But then a week later, police came to Mr. Manzer's home and arrested him. "I don't know why they had to do that on Good Friday," he said. "I like to think that I'm an honest and hard working citizen who respects the rule of law." Mr. Fox, who served with Mr. Manzer as a helicopter pilot, said his neighbour was acting in self-defence. "They could have been armed with something. He came out with a shotgun out of concern for myself," said Mr. Fox. "If someone's out there at 3 a.m., prowling around the neighbourhood and in your backyard, you have a right to be concerned. They're not supposed to be there and they're probably up to no good." The case is similar to that of David Chen, the Toronto grocer who was charged after tying up a repeat shoplifter. He was acquitted last month by a judge who declared: "David Chen tried to fill the void where the justice system failed.'' But Sergeant Pierre Gervais of the RCMP in New Brunswick argued yesterday taking matters into your own hands is irresponsible. "If you're not in immediate danger, or if you can safely disengage from a situation, then please, call the police. I would say that something like 99.9% of cases like this can be resolved without incident." he said. "But, I would say, that if there is immediate danger, it's a different type of situation. Then you do what you need to do." If found guilty, Mr. Manzer faces $5,000 in fines and/or six months in jail. "The facts are as they stand. I'm an honest man and if they take me to court and find me guilty or find me innocent, I want it to be known that I did what I did in an honest matter," said Mr. Manzer. "Whatever the court and the court of public opinion judge me as, I'm willing to take their verdict." The case is due back in court on Dec. 6. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:36:36 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Good News! Looks like I'm going to be in the fight for a while yet .... Had my first quarterly check last week following two months of radiation therapy last July/August. While it's too early to use the "r" word (remission), all indicators point to the absence of cancer. Sincere thanks to all who expressed their prayers and best wishes. I'm now in that select group who can say: "I stared down the 'Big C'. Now give me something to worry about." It has definitely altered my perspective and and priorities. I now have even less time for the bull shit than I did before. My attitude is - "Get real, get in the fight or get the hell out of the way." Todd [Good to hear, Todd. BUZ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:34:08 -0800 From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: Facebook/How Safe Are You? On 2010-11-24 10:38 AM, Edward Hudson wrote: > Re: Facebook/How Safe Are You? > > Several members of the CFD have expressed concerns about Facebook with > valid reasons. > > But once you connect your computer to the InterNet how safe are you > anywhere? > > Sincerely, > > Eduardo I don't think the concerns are so much "security" as they are "privacy", Ed. Read Facebook's terms of use very carefully and you will see that you are giving up all rights to your private information. It becomes Facebook's property. In the face of that, Facebook still is arguably one of the most effective social media sites on the planet. If a person is going to use the site, then I'd suggest visiting the link below for a little friendly advice on how to best protect yourself and your information when using that service: 10 Privacy Settings Every Facebook User Should Know http://www.allfacebook.com/facebook-privacy-2009-02 - -- Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com http://www.diArmani.com Sign up for Katey Montague's Rights and Freedom Bulletin today at http://KateysFirearmsFacts.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:50:44 -0500 From: John Stevens Subject: Re: Time to Join Facebook - At 08:32 AM 11/24/2010, you wrote: > > At 05:17 PM 11/21/2010, you wrote: > >>Re: Time to Join Facebook > > > > I, too, have tried to unsubscribe. Your data is there for life. > > > > Sure am glad there is no paranoia in my family. > >Mr. Stevens I applaud your motion to join Facebook ,it perhaps,? is an idea >whose time has come ?? No, no, Ed. I was supporting the member who said it was a bad idea. Facebook security is non existant. I suggested that a potential user read the permissions they were giving. But ? do you realize that CSIS and the RCMP and who knows what other government wonk departments are reading, saving ,and cataloging any posts that MAY /? be used against gun-owners now or in the future ? Yes. I do realize that. Facebook just makes their task easier. And, even when I worked for the Feds, I didn't place a lot of trust in them. Keep safe brother. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:31:46 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Police hunt for weapon violations Police hunt for weapon violations By TOM VAN DUSEN, Ottawa Sun > http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/11/24/16304956.html KEMPTVILLE — Coinciding with opening of the rifle/shotgun deer hunting season, from Nov. 1 to Nov. 15, Ministry of Natural Resources conservation officers checked some 650 hunters in the Kemptville region, uncovering 63 violations which resulted in 30 charges, 33 warnings and seizure of three firearms. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:14:56 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Good News! Glad to hear youre on the mend ~! and still full of fight~!!! Lets all pray that it stays that way ~! ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Birch" To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 5:36 PM Subject: Good News! > > Looks like I'm going to be in the fight for a while yet .... > > Had my first quarterly check last week following two months of radiation > therapy last July/August. While it's too early to use the "r" word > (remission), all indicators point to the absence of cancer. > Sincere thanks to all who expressed their prayers and best wishes. I'm now > in that select group who can say: "I stared down the 'Big C'. Now give me > something to worry about." > > It has definitely altered my perspective and and priorities. I now have > even less time for the bull shit than I did before. My attitude is - > "Get real, get in the fight or get the hell out of the way." > > Todd > > [Good to hear, Todd. BUZ] > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:18:58 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Police hunt for weapon violations Now the MNR is our enemy as well ?What the H*ll did they do before c-68? ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:31 PM Subject: Police hunt for weapon violations > Police hunt for weapon violations > > By TOM VAN DUSEN, Ottawa Sun > >> http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/11/24/16304956.html > > KEMPTVILLE — Coinciding with opening of the rifle/shotgun deer hunting > season, from Nov. 1 to Nov. 15, Ministry of Natural Resources > conservation officers checked some 650 hunters in the Kemptville region, > uncovering 63 violations which resulted in 30 charges, 33 warnings and > seizure of three firearms. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:08:25 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: To: Canadian Firearms Digest http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/german-jews-now.htm "TSA's Nazi-like tactics should be rejected by Americans" By Murray Sabrin Thursday 18th November, 2010 My parents were the only members of their respective families who survived the Holocaust. Dad was a partisan commander in his native Poland, where he and more than 230 heroic fighters killed untold German soldiers, laid mines and attacked convoys. In 1949, my parents decided to immigrate to America so they and their children (including yours truly) would live in their new homeland - the beacon for all oppressed peoples for two hundred years - in peace and freedom. Mom and Dad had one overriding wish in choosing to come to America; they would never have to fight Nazism ever again, especially in a land that values individual liberty. Unfortunately, despite all the constitutional protections the American people are supposed to have, the Nazification of the United States, a nation I swore to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic, when I became a citizen in 1959, is occurring because the political elites keep telling us the federal government has to use all the means at its disposal to keep our homeland safe and wage a global war against terrorism. A brief history is in order. After taking power in 1933, Hitler's regime quickly declared Jews "sub-human." Then, economic warfare against the Jews began. In 1934, the Star of David was painted on Jewish shops with the word "Juden" written on front windows. In short, to be a German Jew in the early years of Nazi Germany meant essentially you were an "enemy of the state," because Hitler asserted as early as 1920: "None but members of the nation may be citizens of the State. None but those of German blood may be members of the nation. No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the nation." By law, Jews were forced to sit in designated areas on buses, trains, and park benches. The 1935 Nuremberg Laws abolished the Jews' German citizenship and prohibited marriage between Jews and non-Jews. Soon thereafter violence against Jews spread. Jews who could pay an exit fee were able to flee Germany. The Jews who remained in their homeland faced incredible economic hardship until the Final Solution. In Nazi Germany and then occupied Europe, Jews became the object of one of the most virulent hate campaigns in the history of the world, and victims of a systematic attempt to wipe them off the face of the Earth. In sum, when the Hitler regime demonized, dehumanized and demeaned one of the most productive groups in German society because of a collectivist ideology - Antisemitism, all the social, political, and psychological ingredients fell in place paving the way for the Holocaust. The introduction of so-called porno scanners at America's airports and the egregious pat downs of airline travelers have turned every American into a German Jew. Instead of dehumanizing and demeaning one segment of the population in order to pave the way for the Holocaust, all airline travelers are being treated like German Jews by our government for our own good - to keep us safe from terrorists on airplanes. The TSA now considers every American a potential "enemy of the state," because any one of us may be carrying a bomb aboard an airplane, despite the fact that young men from the Middle East perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. Hold on say TSA officials and their lackeys in Congress and in the media. Our federal government is not out to harm us let alone kill us like the Nazis did to the Jews; our government needs to conduct "aggressive measures" to "protect" us on all commercial flights from potential terrorists. That is the party line. Nonsense. We are witnessing a great leap forward in the creation of an American version of Nazism. What if the next terrorist attack - and I hope and pray there is not one - is at a mall or on the Interstate Highway? Will the next chapter in the fight against terrorism be porno scanners at all American malls and roadblocks on all Interstate Highways? The more I see of the porno scanners and the pat downs on news shows, the more incensed I become. A recent poll suggests that 81% of America supports the use of porno scanners. Be careful what we wish for. As Benjamin Franklin astutely observed more than 200 years ago: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety". There is one surefire way to end the Nazification of America. As Lew Rockwell recently posted on his blog: ..."there is one reform (that) would actually end terrorism, not just fight it, and do so immediately: Withdraw all the troops from Muslim countries, and abolish the CIA. Stop interfering in other countries' lives. Stop murdering, controlling, manipulating. Feds, mind our own business." However, the interventionists do not want to end terrorism. They want to perpetuate the "war on terror" so they can control the movement of the American people, control the U.S. economy as much as possible, or profit handsomely from the sale of porno scanners. We should honor the lives of Jews who suffered the indignities of the Nazi regime (November 9 and 10 was the 72nd anniversary of Kristallnacht) and express our opposition to the TSA's Nazi-like tactics by wearing an armband with a Star of David with the words, "American citizen: Don't Tread on Me." I will be getting my armband made ASAP and will wear it until the TSA ends its Nazi-like tactics and respects our constitutional rights. I hope all freedom loving Americans do likewise. Murray Sabrin is professor of finance at Ramapo College. He was the Libertarian Party nominee for governor in 1997 and a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2000 and 2008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:09:16 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: OBAMA'S NAZISM COMES TO YOUR AMERICA ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization November 25th 2010 JPFO ALERT: OBAMA'S NAZISM COMES TO YOUR AMERICA. 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