Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, November 30 2010 Volume 14 : Number 179 In this issue: Convicted felon fatally shot during home invasion RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #173 RCMP Beating New Hampshire: Concealed carry finding favor RE: Remington 700 rifles Re: Remington triggers Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #178 RE: Remington 700 rifles Re: RCMP Beating Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #178 Help with identifying rifle New U.S. Army rifles use radio-controlled smart bullets ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, November 27, 2010 5:02 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Convicted felon fatally shot during home invasion Convicted felon fatally shot during home invasion By Eric Puryear, Self-Defense Examiner http://www.examiner.com/self-defense-in-national/convicted-felon-fatally-shot-during-home-invasion A home-invading convicted felon was reportedly shot by his victim. Police say that on Thanksgiving morning, two men forced their way into a home in Ellenton, Florida and attacked an occupant of the home. Acting in self defense, the occupant is said to have grabbed and fired his gun, striking one of the intruders and causing the other to flee. A suspect, reportedly identified as 19 year old convicted felon Brooklenn Gargar, was found dead from a gunshot wound, and police are seeking a second suspect. As I've noted before, criminals often work in groups, using numerical superiority to overwhelm their victims. When that happens, even the strongest unarmed victims can be overpowered by the criminals. When a crime victim is armed for self defense, things can be quite different. Every day, firearms allow a single crime victim to successfully defend themselves against multiple attackers. Here, one crime victim reportedly used his gun to shoot one attacker and scare the other attacker away. Similarly, this man used his handgun to defend himself against 3 violent men who broke into his apartment. This business owner used his shotgun to stop 4 armed robbers who where pistol whipping an employee and threatening the lives of everyone present. This mother used her handgun to defend herself and her young children from a pair of home invading prison escapees. This woman used her gun to fend off 4 home invaders. This man used his gun to save himself and his wife from 4 armed robbers. This 91 year old man used his gun to save himself and his wheelchair bound wife from a pair of armed criminals who broke in to their home. I could go on with more examples, but the point should be clear: Armed self defense works, and is often a crime victim's best chance at avoiding harm. Eric Puryear is an Attorney at Law who grew up in Chicago and now lives in Iowa. He writes about self defense and can be reached by email at selfdefense@ericpuryear.com CLICK HERE FOR MANY, MANY MORE SELF-DEFENSE STORIES... http://www.examiner.com/selfdefense-in-national/eric-puryear Coffee shop robber shot by armed employee Armed wife saves her husband from a violent home invader Evening burglar fatally shot by armed homeowner 2 armed robbers shot in self defense by armed victim Armed grandfather saves his family from violent home invaders Bar owner shoots violent robber in self defense Armed homeowner stops a violent copper thief Robber shot in self defense by Church's Chicken customer Homeowner shoots burglar in self defense Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:20:39 -0500 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #173 because it is just a part, the frame is the firearm. however if you leave the conversion kit on the firearm for more than 30 days you need to reregister it to show the change in calibre. > From: tanstafl@telusplanet.net > To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #173 > Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:40:26 -0700 > > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:40:59 -0700 (MST) > From: Jim Szpajcher > Subject: RE: Kimber conversion kit on Norinco? > > Folks - > > I have a Ciener .22 LR conversion that fits nicely on a Norinco 1911 > Commander model. > > Jim Szpajcher > Roosevelt, Utah > > Jim, Can you figure out why the Ciener is not classed as a firearm in > Canada. I saw one that looks like you could carve a frame from wood and > fire it with a rubber band and toy hammer. > > Barry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, November 28, 2010 7:29 am From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: RCMP Beating http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20101127/alberta-rcmp-beating-victim-speaks-out-101127/ Alberta RCMP beating victim speaks out Lets see what, if anything happens to the cop. Not the other two standing around like bumps on a lump, refusing to do their duty and halt a criminal assault in progress. My prediction: The cop may get suspended, even fired, but will do no jail time. Had the video not gone public, he would have been verbally chastised only. If he repeated the behaviour, transfer to a new locale would have been his "punishment". This has been studied in Canada and is a disturbing trend on the part of the "Justice" system to hold cops to a much lower standard of conduct than us unwashed rabble. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, November 28, 2010 11:55 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: New Hampshire: Concealed carry finding favor UNIONLEADER.COM - NOVEMBER 28, 2010 Backers: Concealed carry finding favor By MELANIE PLENDA, Union Leader Correspondent http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Backers%3A+Concealed+carry+finding+favor&articleId=bf5dac7a-5841-4244-9802-f2d1e7b8cb41 Right now, the person sitting next to you in the book store or walking past you in the bank lobby or eating lunch at the next table could be carrying a concealed pistol. And doing so legally. And you'd never know it or be affected by it. And that's fine, say the advocates of New Hampshire statutes that allow law-abiding people to carry concealed pistols provided they have obtained a license to do so. Sam Cohen is the executive vice president of Pro-Gun New Hampshire, a firearms and Second Amendment advocacy group. In Cohen's opinion, "more and more people are starting to see that guns are not the evil things that some make them out to be. More and more women are applying for concealed carry licenses, and that's a good thing,'' Cohen added. "But it's really a cross-section of people: old people, young people, people from all walks of life." The town of Raymond, as one example, has issued 58 concealed carry permits since July 1 to people ranging from 26 to 73 years old, according to Sgt. David Spinney, who said the department's chief, David Salois, handles the permit process. In Lancaster, a North Country town of about 3,300 people, Police Chief John Gardiner said he issues about 50 concealed-carry licenses a year. "A lot of people get them for when they go hunting," he said, in the event they run into a Fish and Game conservation officer. "That way, if they carrying it under their coat, it won't be an issue." Unrelated to hunting, he noted one instance in which he issued a permit to a woman who applied after having been accosted in a building one night. "Some people just want them," he said. "They want to have it in case something happens." Penny Dean, general counsel for Gun Owners of NH, the National Rifle Association affiliate for New Hampshire, offered an analogy: "No one can predict when their house is going to burn down," said Dean. "But it's logical and rational to put smoke detectors in your house." Having a gun, she said, is similar to having health or home insurance: It's there when you need it. Records scarce Although the state doesn't keep a record of gun owners, the federal government logs every attempt made to legally purchase guns -- pistols as well as rifles and shotguns (classified as long guns) -- from an authorized dealer. Information about each person attempting to buy a gun is entered into an FBI database for a background check. The resulting numbers do not provide an exact count of gun owners because some people who try to buy a gun from a dealer are rejected, for example, and some are repeat customers. Another thing the statistics don't reflect is the number of people who purchase a gun strictly for personal protection in the home -- and thus don't carry it with them concealed -- or buy one to use solely for recreational shooting at a range or some other venue allowed under law. But the statistics do show a steady increase in lawful attempts to purchase guns over the past 10 years. In 1999, the first full year records were kept by the FBI, 37,711 people in New Hampshire attempted to buy a gun. Last year, 76,102 people attempted to purchase a gun in the state -- up from 67,293 in 2008. And according to state police statistics, at least 13,157 out-of-staters applied for and received a concealed carry license, known commonly among police as pistol permits, in 2009. State residents get concealed carry permits through their local police chief or other community-authorized officer, such as a mayor or selectman. Statewide statistics on the number of concealed-carry permits issued were not available. According to FBI statistics, 207,367 attempts were made to buy a handgun in New Hampshire between Nov. 30, 1998, and Oct. 31, 2010, while 313,557 attempts were made to buy long guns, more commonly used for hunting. A matter of perception As for protection, the crime rate nationally is going down, and New Hampshire is the second-safest state in country. But because of media reports, more people perceive they are not safe, according to Dean and Cohen. At least one state lawmaker concurs. "Watch the evening news, it's all break-ins, children being chased down the street, home invasions," said Jennifer Coffey, state representative for Merrimack County and a member of the Second Amendment Sisters organization. "We're seeing that every day on the news and in the papers. That is coinciding with a slow economy, and things are worse for more people. People are still out of work and desperate. Not to mention people are being let out of jail before they are supposed to, and so yes, perception plays a role (in the decision to buy a firearm)." Coffey said a substantial number of women bought guns and took shooter training classes after Kimberly Cates was brutally murdered and her child maimed last year in Mont Vernon. In October 2009, 8,681 attempts were made by people looking to buy a firearm in the state, up from 6,327 the month before that and the most of any month of that year. The number of murders declined in New Hampshire between 2008 and 2009, as did the number of aggravated assaults and motor vehicle thefts. The number of forcible rapes stayed the same, and incidents of robbery, property crime, burglary and larceny increased, according to the FBI's uniform crime statistics. Drug use is also up throughout the state, according to Swanzey Police Chief Richard Busick, a member of the New Hampshire Association of Chiefs of Police. This often leads to more property crimes, he said, and even rural communities are seeing problems. Busick reported recently that police throughout the Monadnock Region have seen a substantial increase in daytime burglaries, including one in which a woman was tied up and held at gunpoint. Meanwhile, two weeks ago, police in Brookline and Hollis were busy with a spate of burglaries and vehicle break-ins. In addition, Coffey said, Hudson has also been having a problem with burglaries in recent months. Deterrent questioned But opinions on firearms as crime deterrents are mixed. Some who advocate for gun-owner rights such as Dean argue that sometimes just the presence of a gun or being in a state where guns are common may deter a criminal. Coffey notes that Washington, D.C., and Chicago, which have strict gun regulations and concealed-carry laws, also have more violent crime. A 1993 study showed that as many as 2.45 million crimes were thwarted by the presence of a gun, and in some of these instances, a shot was never fired. But according to a study for American Journal of Public Health published in the early 1990s, guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times a year -- or two times out of 1,000 incidents. For violent crimes such as assault, robbery and rape, guns were used 0.83 percent of the time in self-defense. Of all incidents where a gun was used for self-defense, victims shot at the offender 28 percent of the time. Keene police detective Sgt. Jason Short pointed out the latter statistic. He said being able to use a gun to stave off an attack assumes the gun is loaded, ready to go and conveniently located to where the potential crime victim can get to it. He also said once a gun is drawn in any situation, it's more likely to escalate rather than calm a situation. Coffey contends that regardless of whether a shot is fired, having a gun is better than taking a chance of being a victim not having one. "Is having a gun a guarantee that nothing bad will happen to me? Maybe I'm lucky, maybe I'm not," Coffey said. "But At least if I have a gun, I have a shot." Cohen said the concealed carry license actually gives gun owners a sense of freedom, but it comes with the added responsibilities of keeping the firearm secured away from people who shouldn't be handling it and preventing it from being used recklessly. He said more women are buying because they are afraid of becoming crime victims. "You know what they say, you don't know you need a gun until you need it." Although it is legal to carry openly in New Hampshire, carrying concealed is preferable, Cohen said. "You don't want to scare people," he said. People can get uncomfortable when they see a gun holstered in the open. Instead, he encourages people who carry their firearms -- particularly at political events or in public buildings -- to "be discreet, be respectful and carry all the time." Correspondents Gretyl Macalaster and Lorna Colquhoun contributed to this story. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:57:48 -0800 From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: Remington 700 rifles In the mid-'80's I purchased a used Remington 700 BDL in 7mm Magnum. I never had an unintentional discharge incident with it, but it did have some sort of problem. The chamber was really tight and even with factory ammo, it took a great deal of effort to close the bolt. Reloads had to have been fired in the Remington and not my other 7mm Magnum or they would not fit at all. I sold it after only a few months. Will never buy another Remington rifle. Jim Pook Vancouver Island-North The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. - Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:15:27 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Remington triggers Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #178 For fine trigger control for target or small, distant hunting situations, I've always thought the double or single set trigger to be safer, more civilized. If this is a problem with the design of a Remington trigger why can't a tv show simply show how it is inferior from other trigger designs. If it's a quality control or debris issue that may be harder to prove but triggers a simple devices it's not rocket science. Given the MSM attitude towards civilian firearms ownership there advocacy will always be suspect... their last cause was global warming. On 28-Nov-10, at 3:41 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:39:06 -0700 > From: "Jim Szpajcher" > Subject: Re: Remington 700 rifles > > Al - > > I have a Remington 700 Featherweight in .223 Rem that I picked up > used a number of years ago. > > It has a trigger so light that closing the bolt can set it off. I > do not use it unless I am gopher shooting alone, due to the quirks > of the firearm, but the light trigger is a delight when trying to > hit a small, furry critter 250 yards out. I don't bother with the > safety. If the bolt is closed, it is not on safe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:55:29 -0800 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Remington 700 rifles >I was behind a friend when he released his safety catch (necessary >to manipulate the bolt on a 700) and the rifle fired. >Thanks to the second rule (Never let the muzzle >cover anything you aren't willing to destroy) the only damage was a cut >on my friend's thumb from the recoil moving the safety. Another friend, >a game warden, who was in front and watching, says that his finger was >nowhere near the trigger when it happened. It isn't just Remington 700s. The same thing happened once while I was clearing a Mauser C96 on a movie set. It made a few people jump out of their skin. Muzzle control is ALWAYS imperative, even when using blanks. Clive Edwards ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:31:52 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: RCMP Beating I was under the impression it was a "butch" female cop ? ed/on----- Original Message ----- From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" To: "Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:29 AM Subject: RCMP Beating > http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20101127/alberta-rcmp-beating-victim-speaks-out-101127/ > > Alberta RCMP beating victim speaks out > > Lets see what, if anything happens to the cop. Not the other two > standing around like bumps on a lump, refusing to do their duty and halt > a criminal assault in progress. > > My prediction: The cop may get suspended, even fired, but will do no > jail time. Had the video not gone public, he would have been verbally > chastised only. If he repeated the behaviour, transfer to a new locale > would have been his "punishment". > > This has been studied in Canada and is a disturbing trend on the part of > the "Justice" system to hold cops to a much lower standard of conduct > than us unwashed rabble. > > -- > M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) > Rural Family Physician, > Sherbrooke, NS > > mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca > > "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:18:28 -0700 From: Rick Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #178 On 2010-11-28, at 2:41 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Wendy and her herd have a vested interest in maintaining the brand of > "victims" on the Polytechnique dead and injured. They have a vested > interest in denying self defense as a reason to own firearms. > > The minute self defense comes back into the discussion the so called > "victims" become unfortunate fools. Any one of the "victims" or other > bystanders armed with a pistol could have intervened and saved lives. > Even without arms, the intruder could have been overcome, as happened > in an Oregon high school when an active shooter was taken down by a > small group of boy scouts who "piled on" to the shooter, even though > the fifteen year old leader of the defenders was already wounded and > took another round in the counter attack. How can it be that a group > of those we would call children can prevail in a situation similar to > the events in Montreal where Canadian adults behaved like sheep waiting > for slaughter? It is the culture, stupid; or more precisely, it is the > culture of stupidity in Canada. > > Clive Edwards Liberals and other left-wing fascists use traumatized victims to promote their own personal ideology. Their ideology is simple and it is the same as every other well-intended fascist who came before them - "I know best. I have you best interests at heart. Believe in me. Surrender your will to me and I will save you." Variations of those same egotistical, closed minds have caused more human misery than all the overt despots who ever lived. How many good, decent people in this country have been hurt, ripped apart and killed by their irrational fear of guns? How many good, decent people in this country never had the option of defending themselves? Thousands and thousands. It is especially disgusting that women and old people are required to defend themselves with their bare hands. If these well-intended fascists REALLY wanted to "honour" the Polytechnique women they would lobby for immigration laws that keep out, or at least carefully screen, Algerian muslims (Marc Lepine's real name was Gamil Gharbi. He was from Algeria and his father was Muslim) and other groups from cultures that do not fit here and are not wanted here. Why would we want to import those values here? Only those with delusions of omnipotence could believe that we can escape collateral damage from importing visible minorities who are also visibly twisted. That is not universally true - of course - but we should be paying attention to valid generalities. Not every sociopath will murder, either, and probably the vast majority don't. Some will be harmless and even productive. That doesn't mean we should import them without careful screening, though, does it? If these well-intended fascists REALLY wanted to "honour" the Polytechnique women they would lobby for CCW laws. If those women had been allowed to carry a .380 Beretta, maybe one or two of them would have opted for the training and background check to get a Permit and would have been in a position to put a bullet between Gamil Gharbi's eyes when he looked away for a moment. It was a woman who originally said this: "God made Man. Sam Colt made them equal." Gun Control is not about guns. It is about Control. And those who promote this aspect of Control are shameless ambulance chasers. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:31:39 +0000 From: Dave McNeil Subject: Help with identifying rifle Hello all, A friend of mine recently acquired a rifle that he would like to know more about. It is a bolt action chambered for 22-250. It has a stamp on one side that reads: FN1950 Belgium. The barrel is stamped MM03. There are other markings which look more like heiroglyphs than anything familiar to me. What my friend would like to know is how old the rifle might be, and a ballpark estimate of what it might be worth. I told him I would pass along his request to the fine folks of the CFD in hopes that this limited bit of information might be enough. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, November 29, 2010 12:33 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: New U.S. Army rifles use radio-controlled smart bullets DAILY MAIL ON-LINE - FEBRUARY 29, 2010 No hiding place from new U.S. Army rifles that use radio-controlled smart bullets Weapon hailed as a game-changer that can fire up and over barriers and down into trenches. Soldiers will start using them in Afghanistan later this month By Daily Mail Reporter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1334114/Futuristic-rifle-fires-radio-controlled-bullets-used-U-S-troops-Afghanistan-month.html The U.S. army is to begin using a futuristic rifle that fires radio-controlled 'smart' bullets in Afghanistan for the first time, it has emerged. The XM25 rifle uses bullets that be programmed to explode when they have travelled a set distance, allowing enemies to be targeted no matter where they are hiding. The rifle also has a range of 2,300 feet making it possible to hit target which are well out of the reach of conventional rifles. The XM25 is being developed specially for the U.S. army and will be deployed with troops from later this month, it was revealed today. The rifle's gunsight uses a laser rangefinder to determine the exact distance to the obstruction, after which the soldier can add or subtract up to 3 metres from that distance to enable the bullets to clear the barrier and explode above or beside the target. Soldiers will be able to use them to target snipers hidden in trenches rather than calling in air strikes. The 25-millimetre round contains a chip that receives a radio signal from the gunsight as to the precise distance to the target. Lt. Col. Christopher Lehner, project manager for the system, described the weapon as a ‘game-changer’ that other nations will try and copy. He expects the Army to buy 12,500 of the XM25 rifles this year, enough for every member of the infantry and special forces. Lehner told FoxNews: ‘With this weapon system, we take away cover from [enemy targets] forever. ‘Tactics are going to have to be rewritten. The only thing we can see [enemies] being able to do is run away.’ The XM25 appears perfect weapon for street-to-street fighting that troops in Afghanistan have to engage in, with enemy fighters hiding behind walls and only breaking cover to fire occasionally. The weapon's laser finder would work out how far away the enemy was and then the U.S. soldier would add one metre using a button near the trigger. When fired, the explosive round would carry exactly one metre past the wall and explode with the force of a hand grenade above the Taliban fighter. The army's project manager for new weapons, Douglas Tamilio, said: ''This is the first leap-ahead technology for troops that we've been able to develop and deploy.' A patent granted to the bullet's maker, Alliant Techsystems, reveals that the chip can calculate how far it has travelled. Mr Tamilio said: 'You could shoot a Javelin missile, and it would cost £43,000. These rounds will end up costing £15.50 apiece. They're relatively cheap. Lehner added: ‘This is a game-changer. The enemy has learned to get cover, for hundreds if not thousands of years. ‘Well, they can't do that anymore. We're taking that cover from them and there's only two outcomes: We're going to get you behind that cover or force you to flee.’ The rifle will initially use high-explosive rounds, but its makers say that it might later use versions with smaller explosive charges that aim to stun rather than kill. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #179 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)