Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, December 1 2010 Volume 14 : Number 180 In this issue: Retired police officer sentenced to life for murdering wife CPC *Star* candidate flops Conservative bags Dauphin; Sopuck cruises to an easy victory Fantino wins Vaughan; Liberals take Manitoba by-election Regulations Delayed 2 years re: "... left-wing Fascists..." Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #179 FANTINO ANSWERS: Q: How about the long-gun registry? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:13:21 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Retired police officer sentenced to life for murdering wife Retired police officer sentenced to life for murdering wife Nov 29 2010 Bob Mitchell Staff Reporter http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/898738--retired-police-officer-sentenced-to-life-for-murdering-wife?bn=1 Retired Toronto police officer Larry Ryan has been found guilty of second-degree murder in the shooting death of his wife, Susan, in their Mississauga home. Justice Joseph Fragomeni sentenced Ryan, 60, to the mandatory term of life in prison following the jury’s verdict on Monday night in a Brampton courtroom. Fragomeni will set Ryan’s parole ineligibility of between 10 and 25 years at a later date. Ryan accepted he was guilty of manslaughter. His lawyer, James Burke, told jurors the killing was unintentional because Ryan was too drunk to know what he was doing on Nov. 9, 2008. He never testified because he didn’t remember what happened, Burke said. But the jury disagreed, believing Crown John Raftery’s case that Ryan intended to murder his wife of 36 years when he fired four bullets at her head at close range while she was making breakfast. Jurors took about four hours to reach their verdict. Susan’s death had all the makings of a surprise execution both from forensic evidence and the graphic photos presented to jurors. The body of the prominent 57-year-old Mississauga realtor was found sprawled in a pool of blood on her kitchen floor. The Crown maintained Ryan knew exactly what he was doing. He snuck up from behind his wife, pressed a rifle muzzle against her head and pulled the trigger four separate times, hitting her twice and grazing her mouth and back of her neck with the other shots. He still had four times the legal limit of alcohol in his system about two hours after he shot his wife but Raftery said Ryan never started consuming booze until after the shooting. “He was not a stumbling drunk,” Raftery said in Monday’s closing address. “There was no reason for that firearm to be upstairs except to kill his wife. . . . He crept up to her. . . . She never ran. She never called 911.” The rifle was a much quieter gun than others to be used on the week-long hunting trip Ryan and a friend were about to take that morning, Raftery said. [Another article stated they were going moose hunting]. No motive was given for the killing. “There is no rhyme or reason to explain what happened, except that he was severely intoxicated,” defence lawyer James Burke said in his closing address. Raftery suggested Ryan opened six locks to take the rifle from a secured storage area, disengaged the trigger lock on it and individually loaded a magazine with .22 calibre bullets before firing it, “something a falling down drunk” would not be able to do. “He told his friend (in his garage afterwards) that he even knew the exact amount of shots he fired and that he killed his wife,” Raftery said. Like all police officers, it would have been “ingrained” in Ryan’s head that you don’t point a muzzle at anything unless you intend to “destroy it,” Raftery said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:45:27 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: CPC *Star* candidate flops Elections Canada result for Vaughan, 1:20 pm: http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts_e.aspx Julian Fantino -CPC 19,260 49.1% Tony Genco -Lib 18,263 46.6% 39,196 out of 120,864 or 32,4% of eligible voters or a few points higher than the other two by-elections. Hardly a scintillating result based on the attention drawn to the campaign by a *star* candidate. Certainly an indictment of Ignatieff for not being able to get the Lib vote out to take what turned out to be a winnable, and long-standing Liberal riding. It also points out that despite his *star* categorization, Fantino's welcome is wearing pretty thin. There's a lot of dirty linen not buried very deeply. Does his performance win him the Justice or Public Safety ministry? Will Harper and the PMO find him impossible to reign in from being the Boss? It'd be a surprise for most to learn how much he'll draw from his police pensions, especially factoring in the settlements from his Chief's jobs with London, York, Toronto plus from being OPP Commish. And then add in his salary as an MP; he'll be pushing half a Mil. The CPC wins decisively in Dauphin--Swan River--Marquette while the Liberals pick off Winnipeg North. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, November 30, 2010 9:31 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Conservative bags Dauphin; Sopuck cruises to an easy victory WINNIPEG FREE PRESS - NOVEMBER 30, 2010 Conservative bags Dauphin; Sopuck cruises to an easy victory By: Mary Agnes Welch http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/conservative-bags-dauphin-111027259.html ROBERT Sopuck says he will tackle the long-gun registry, flooded-out cattle producers and infrastructure projects as soon as he gets to Ottawa. That is, after he's found the bathrooms on Parliament Hill. Sopuck, an environmental policy expert, farmer and the Winnipeg Free Press former hunting columnist, cruised to victory in the Dauphin-Swan River-Marquette byelection as expected. "We feel wonderful," Sopuck said from his campaign headquarters on Main Street in Dauphin on Monday night. "We worked hard and we didn't take anything for granted at all." Sopuck won most of the 226 polls reporting, earning about 58 per cent of the vote. He replaces former MP Inky Mark, who retired after 13 years as MP to run for mayor of Dauphin. Mark lost that job last month to lawyer Eric Irwin. Most believed the Dauphin riding was among the safest Tory seats in the country, but Mark was personally popular in part because he was often outspokenly offside with his party. Sopuck, who has already suggested he'd be more of a team player, mopped up most of Mark's support. The Tory vote was down only slightly from 2008. NDP candidate Denise Harder finished a surprisingly strong second, winning nearly 25 per cent of the vote, the party's best showing there in years. The NDP has a strong organization in the region, and Harder, a CUPE national rep, ran an aggressive campaign. The NDP holds two provincial seats in the area -- Finance Minister Rosann Wowchuk's Swan River seat and Agriculture Minister Stan Struthers' Dauphin-Roblin seat. Many were watching to see how well the NDP fared as a barometer for next fall's provincial election. Sopuck, no stranger to the workings of government, was former Tory premier Gary Filmon's point man on sustainable development for eight years and served more recently on the federal Round Table on the Environment and the Economy. He said he'll work to repeal the long- gun registry, calling it "an attack on our way of life." And he said he hopes to help out with an aid package in the works for livestock producers who were flooded out earlier this year. He said he also wants to get up to speed on infrastructure funding and potential projects for his riding. Sopuck said he's not daunted by the prospect of campaigning all over again in the spring if the machinations of the minority government spark another federal election. "We have a well-trained team now, and we've learned a lot," he said. "We know we could do even better." maryagnes.welch@freepress.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, November 30, 2010 9:33 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Fantino wins Vaughan; Liberals take Manitoba by-election GLOBE & MAIL - NOVEMBER 30, 2010 Fantino wins Vaughan for Tories; Liberals take Manitoba by-election GLORIA GALLOWAY AND ADRIAN MORROW OTTAWA AND VAUGHAN- Globe and Mail Update Last updated Tuesday, Nov. 30, 2010 9:35AM EST http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/fantino-wins-vaughan-for-tories-liberals-take-manitoba-by-election/article1818254/ The Harper Conservatives won the long-time Liberal stronghold of Vaughan, north of Toronto, in one of three key federal by-elections Monday. But the race was much tighter than most experts had predicted and Liberal spirits were lifted by a win in a Winnipeg riding that had been held by the NDP. Both races went down to the wire, with winners not being declared until after midnight ET. A hard-fought by-election battle in Vaughan, north of Toronto, where the Liberals desperately tried to keep a seat they have held for the past 22 years turned into a tight two-way race Monday with Conservative candidate Julian Fantino eventually defeating Liberal Tony Genco. With all 284 polls reporting, he was ahead by almost 1,000 votes. The Vaughan race was not the easy victory that had been predicted for Mr. Fantino, the former chief of police in York Region who went on to become Toronto police chief as well as commissioner of the Ontario Provincial Police. But the sting for the Liberals of that loss was blunted when former Liberal MLA Kevin Lamoureux defeated the NDP's Kevin Chief in Winnipeg North. He was leading by about 800 votes with all 153 polls reporting. The Conservatives, meanwhile, jumped ahead to an early lead in the third by-election in Dauphin-Swan River-Marquette in western Manitoba and their candidate, Robert Sopuck, was quickly declared the victor. Voter turnout was 32.4 per cent in Vaughan, 30.8 per cent in Winnipeg North and 26.2 per cent in Dauphin-Swan River- Marquette. Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff praised his team's performance. "By choosing Kevin Lamoureux, the people of Winnipeg North have sent a strong message that the Liberal Party is the only alternative that can replace the Harper government and deliver real, progressive change for Canadians," he said in a statement shortly after midnight. "In Vaughan, I want to commend Tony Genco for putting up a formidable fight and turning a coronation into a tight race between Liberals and Conservatives." The election in Vaughan was so close, with the result arriving so late, that Mr. Genco took the podium at his election night party shortly after 11 p.m. ET with the result still in doubt. "I want to thank the people in this room who got our message out to the people of Vaughan," he said. "We're looking forward to seeing what happens in the next little while." At Mr. Fantino's party, the whole room turned to watch the speech broadcast live by community television. Expecting the Liberal to concede, a hush fell over the room. The din resumed when he simply declared the vote too close to call. Mr. Fantino's camp waited until 1 a.m., with all but one poll reporting, to declare victory. The candidate himself kept hundreds of supporters who packed an Italian banquet hall waiting until the final result was in before he strode in to wild applause and chants of his last name. To the strains of Eye of the Tiger, mobbed by supporters and surrounded by a crush of reporters and cameras, he shook hands and exchanged kisses on the cheek on his way to the podium. "Tomorrow, I walk a new beat," he said. "This time in the halls of Parliament and not on the streets of Toronto." He referenced the race's close finish, telling supporters: "Thank you for your patience. I had nothing to do with the delay, I can assure you." Days before the campaign ended, Liberals were suggesting that Mr. Genco was going to lose -- by a wide margin -- a constituency where Liberal MP Maurizio Bevilacqua took 49 per cent of the vote in the 2008 election. But that could have been an effort to dampen expectations of a Liberal victory. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:21:10 -0500 From: "Larry Whitmore" Subject: Regulations Delayed 2 years CSSA ALERT - NOVEMBER 30, 2010 We are pleased to inform you that the CSSA/CILA has been successful in convincing the government to again delay the implementation of 2 sets of regulations contained in the Firearms Act dealing with Gun Shows and the Firearms Marking System. The CSSA has been working tirelessly to delay these potentially damaging aspects of C-68 until they can be rescinded entirely. They are both now delayed until December of 2012 which gives us more time to resolve the negative impact these regulations will have - and, since there is the strong possibility of an election within the next 12 months, have them rescinded with a majority government. Following are the official notifications. The Government of Canada Announced the Deferral of Gun Shows Regulations to December 2012 Overview . Implementation of the Gun Shows Regulations has been deferred until December 2012 . Deferring implementation allows more time to ensure that processes for complying are as simple and as cost-effective as possible. . There are other legal requirements to protect public safety at gun shows. Implementation of the Gun Shows Regulations has been delayed until December 2012. These regulations, pertaining to events where firearms are displayed, were significantly amended in November 2004, and had been scheduled to come into effect in November 2010. Why were these Regulations deferred? Deferring the implementation of the Gun Shows Regulations will provide more time to develop simple and cost-effective procedures for gun show sponsors and for Chief Firearms Officers responsible for approving gun shows. In the meantime, there are other legal requirements already in place to protect public safety if your club or your members sponsor or take part in a gun show, even though the Gun Shows Regulations are not yet in force. For example: . All firearms taken to a gun show must be stored and displayed safely to deter loss, theft and accidents. . The firearms may only be handled by, or under the direct and immediate supervision of, someone licensed to possess them. . If firearms are bought or sold at a gun show, the standard transfer and registration process still apply. The firearms need to be verified by an approved verifier unless they have already been verified and the CFP Registrar is satisfied with the information. To facilitate firearm transfers at a gun show, it is recommended that the appropriate Chief Firearms Office is informed of the gun show in advance. Transfers to or from a licensed firearms business can be submitted online. For more information, contact the CFP at cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca UN Marking Systems These regulations, if enforced as written, would devastate the firearms industry in Canada - something that we cannot allow to happen. The federal government has tacitly endorsed the idea of metallic strip marking instead of engraving, but the recent Cabinet shuffle interrupted the process. The new staffers in the Minister of Public Safety's office are aware of the situation, but have decided they need a bit more time to set up the implementation process, hence the delay. SPECIAL BULLETIN TO BUSINESSES - No. 70 Firearms Marking Regulations Deferred until December 1, 2012 Snapshot * Implementation of the Firearms Marking Regulations has been deferred. Firearms Marking Regulations The Government of Canada announced the deferral of implementation of the Firearms Marking Regulations to December 1, 2012. The regulations include specific marking requirements for firearms manufactured in Canada or imported into Canada after the coming-into-force date. For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program by one of the following methods: telephone: 1 800 731-4000 (Toll Free) web site: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm e-mail: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca This bulletin is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act and Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply. We will keep you advised. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:24:11 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: re: "... left-wing Fascists..." Rick Socialism and socialists make up the so-called 'left-wing' of partisan politics. Fascism and fascists comprise the 'right wing'. It is easy to remember - just picture Goebbels delivering a speech to the party faithful, arms raised in the Hitlerian salute. Expecting modern left-socialists to learn anything from history is an exercise in futility. They have their agenda and that is that. The fact that they masquerade as 'liberals' is just smoke and mirrors. Remember what Don Cherry said about the Canadian political spectrum: "The Liberals are socialists, the Conservatives are liberals and the NDP are communists." Did I get that right? How else could you explain Canadian politics? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:33:54 -0700 From: Rick Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #179 > Date: Sun, November 28, 2010 7:29 am > From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" > Subject: RCMP Beating > http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20101127/alberta-rcmp-beating-victim-speaks-out-101127/ > > Alberta RCMP beating victim speaks out > > Lets see what, if anything happens to the cop. Not the other two > standing around like bumps on a lump, refusing to do their duty and > halt a criminal assault in progress. > > My prediction: The cop may get suspended, even fired, but will do no > jail time. Had the video not gone public, he would have been verbally > chastised only. If he repeated the behaviour, transfer to a new locale > would have been his "punishment". > > This has been studied in Canada and is a disturbing trend on the part > of the "Justice" system to hold cops to a much lower standard of conduct > than us unwashed rabble. It's disgusting. It's also a crime. Worse than that, it's not all that uncommon. I've seen it. The ones who stood around should be sacked and the attacker should be prosecuted. To the extent that is not exactly what happens, we live in a police state. To the extent that is not exactly what happens, the Rule of Law does not really exist here. We only say it does. The cops who would have defended this crap if the video had not surfaced it would have been : "the suspect resisted the officer applied physical force to ensure his own safety and the safety of the suspect, blah, blah, blah...." These are the same brand of cop who charged the Asian grocer in Toronto for catching a thief and then hold news conferences to huff and puff about how only cops can be trusted to defend us and how it's really, really dangerous if ordinary, hard-working, honest citizens become "vigilantes". It's also the mindset that would prefer all civilians be unarmed, or at least watched if they own firearms, a la Chief Blair. That phony moralizing and the way our media laps it up makes me gag. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, December 1, 2010 9:46 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: FANTINO ANSWERS: Q: How about the long-gun registry? NATIONAL POST - DECEMBER 1, 2010 Q&A JULIAN FANTINO By Tamsin McMahon http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/11/30/qa-julian-fantino/ Julian Fantino was a polarizing figure as the head of several of Ontario's municipal police forces and then as Commissioner of the OPP. He couldn't dodge controversy as the Conservative candidate in his home riding of Vaughan, where he sought to capture the Liberal stronghold for the Conservatives in Monday's by-election. Attacked by his rivals as a "peek-a-boo" candidate who skipped a debate and refused interviews with local media, Fantino scored a 997-vote victory to become Vaughan's representative in federal parliament, where he is expected to be a contender for a cabinet post. In an interview with the National Post before he heads to Ottawa on Wednesday, the famously outspoken Fantino, 68, said he makes no apologies for who he is and offers a glimpse of what's to come in life as a politician. Q: What was Monday night like for you? A: It was just like so many other times, waiting for a jury to come back or waiting for a budget, it's just another one of those things. Q: Was it closer than you expected? A: No not at all actually. Going into this thing, having been in the kind of background I've had as a career, you're always analyzing things, you're always calculating and I calculated early on that we had a huge, huge challenge, a major, major obstacle to overcome: A long-tenured, virtual stranglehold on the riding by [Liberal leader Michael] Ignatieff's party. It was something I knew would take a lot of work and we did that. We went and did a lot of extra things that may not have been in the public domain, or obvious to the media. We stayed low key, but we worked very hard and we were out there very publicly at the doors and at so many events and I think in the end it was the best strategy. Q: What's next? A: Another learning curve and I'm very, very anxious to get into the learning process and learning what my duties and responsibilities will be as a sitting member of the Harper government, the Harper team, and trying to translate my 40-odd years of public service into providing input at the decision-making table. I feel quite privileged to be there, actually, and make a contribution and bring the issues forward that certainly I believe are very important for the people of Vaughan, and have a voice at the table, something that I would not have had in an opposition situation. Q: What cabinet post are you hoping for? A: I'm not looking forward to any cabinet post. I'm just looking forward to getting to Ottawa and joining the Harper Team and then we'll take it from there. I will respect whatever duties and responsibilities the Prime Minister assigns to me. That's more important than any wishful thinking at this point in time. Q: What would you choose if you had your pick? A: I'm not going to do the 'what-ifs' exercise. I'm going to leave it to the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister knows who I am. He knows about my long and distinguished public service. He knows what my strengths and weaknesses might be and he knows where I can best be utilized to provide support as a team player in the Harper government. So whatever happens, happens. I have to put it in perspective, coming to this country as a young boy and not being able to speak the language [Mr. Fantino was born in Italy and immigrated to Canada at age 10] and having served the apprenticeship of becoming a Canadian citizen and evolving into leading police organizations and now as a member of parliament in this great country of ours, it's pretty daunting and very rewarding. It's also very humbling. So I don't know if I can write my own ticket about any future opportunities. I'm just so glad and honoured to be a member of a Harper government. Q: You have mentioned a new hospital for Vaughan as one of your key priorities. What other issues are you interested in? A: The subway, that's another issue that we need to expedite. A lot of discussion at the door, if you will, about the traffic, the exponential increase in traffic. So obviously that's a major issue for the community as a whole. But certainly the hospital is a major issue. I intend to do what I can to work with the new mayor and council on issues where I can lend a helping hand. I also want to ensure that I do all I can to push forward on the law-and-order agenda. I do believe that senior's issues are sort of a priority for me, and lowering taxes, however we can do that. That's something I'm going to support and advocate for. Q: What are the law-and-order issues you want to advance? A: Well, there's a number of bills presently before the legislature dealing with such things as improvements to the sex offender registry. Those kinds of issues, to the extent that I can, are things that I'm going to plug into. Q: How about the long-gun registry? A: Well the long-gun registry, as you know, has been dealt with. However, if it was to ever come up again, I would vote to do away with it. I think it's been a huge waste of taxpayers money. The end result has not been value-added to public safety at all. But I think I want to also be clear that the long-gun registry is only one small piece of a piece of legislation that I highly supported. I never supported the gun registry, I supported everything else that came with Bill C68, which was licensing of gun ownership, the transaction of firearms, the safe storage of firearms and ammunition. I think those are all great things. The long-gun registry has been, I think, a huge, huge boondoggle. However, we support other pieces of that legislation. Q: There was a lot of criticism of you not showing up for a Nov. 23 all-candidates debate [Mr. Fantino said he had to attend a memorial mass for the anniversary of his father-in-law's death]. Looking back would you have changed that decision? A: Not at all, not at all. See the criticism, it's all labelling, it's all political spin. I'm not a political operative. I just do what I believe to be the right thing to do. I had been at a debate earlier in that day, in fact within hours of that other debate. We had quite a spirited debate. Rogers hosted it. Questions from the public were posed to us. Questions from the moderator. You know, this business of the accusations, the labelling if you will, that was all political spin. But you know what? I had a more pressing matter to deal with that evening. It was a family obligation and I do have my priorities straight when it comes to making decisions. That was a decision I feel very confident was the right one to make and most reasonable people would understand and appreciate it. However, those that want to exploit these kinds of things, you can do whatever you want out of stuff like that. But we didn't go there. We stayed positive and we took the high road in spite of all the nonsense. I think at the end of the day, the vindication came [Monday] night with the voters. Q: How are you going to handle being in a government that tends to keep a tight leash on its MPs? Are you going to be able to toe the party line? A: Obviously there's a lot of labelling going on. I've been labelled controversial. Well, you tell me how you can do a police chief's job, or be the commissioner of the OPP with a huge, huge organization and multiple different levels of relationships with local councils, provincial political people, internal unions and personnel issues and the crime and the courts and not be controversial to some people. I detest this quick-fix labelling stuff that goes on when people just don't understand the complexities of the job. Why should I be trying to please everyone? I just set out everyday to fulfill my oath of office, to do the right things for the right reasons. It was never meant to be a popularity contest, nor was I ever in a position where I co-opted myself, my duties and responsibility, just to be pleasing to everybody. You tell me how anybody in leadership today can not be controversial? How can you be a man-for-all-seasons with the issues that we've had to deal with, that I've had to deal with? As for toeing the line, I'm a team player. I always have been. Again, that's an other one of those things. The labelling, I guess for some people, is a way to describe honour, duty, responsibility, 42 years of committed, loyal, dedicated public service. And then you get a label. People have never been exposed to what I've done to the extent that I've experienced it: night shifts, complex cases, complex issues, victims issues, the rawness of crime and what it does to people. So I make no apologies for who I am and what I've stood for and what I stand for. I'm committed to be a very significant, contributing member of the Harper team and that doesn't mean that I would abandon my beliefs just because I've now entered politics. Those things will be value added to what Stephen Harper is trying to do and what his government is trying to do in terms of the very issues that really matter to people. Not what labelling is all about. Q: Some reports suggested you were being held back or muzzled by the Conservative Party during the campaign. Were you told not to speak out on certain issues? A: Not at all. See, there's a propaganda machine at work here, the labelling, the misinformation, the spreading of rumours, all of that is part of what goes on. We were always forward-looking. We knew exactly what we needed to do to outreach and connect with the people, to receive direct input, dialogue. I mean my goodness, we had a tele-town conference that went for an hour in change and we had 15,000 people on the phone calling, asking questions and participating in the dialogue. So nobody held me back. We just ran a very upbeat, forward-looking campaign that focussed on not getting dragged into the negative stuff and didn't really retaliate with anything. We just stayed positive and believed, and we have now been vindicated, that the good, decent people will sort out all that nonsense. And they did and that's all that mattered. Q: How long do you think you'll have before there's a federal election? A: Well, I do think we need a bit of a breather right now. So I'm hoping there's not going to be any election in the next little while. But I think if there is, I'm confident that we will put in another very fine effort. We will be again ethical, honourable, professional. We will do what we've done, reach out and dialogue and network. I should tell you that, this is the post-election, but I did as many interviews before with the media and whatever, but it's just that some things don't really get reported. Q: Some people have said your victory in Vaughan is an indication that Liberal seats in Toronto are at risk in the next election. Do you think we'll see more Conservative MPs elected in the GTA? A: I know that the Conservative Party is the only party that overall gained a seat in these byelections and no other party can claim that. So I think the trade winds are changing and I think the impact on other seats in the GTA, I believe that's an actual consequence of what's going on and this business of Ignatieff's [proposed] coalition [government] scared the hell out of people. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #180 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)