Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, December 2 2010 Volume 14 : Number 181 In this issue: Re: Fantino wins Vaughan; Liberals take Manitoba by-election Fantino Supports the Licensing EDITORIAL: The Fantino effect Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #179 Re: Remington 700 rifles Decline of the middle class ... [NFR] CONSERVATIVES AGAINST FANTINO Ever more government intrusion into our rights and freedoms left wing Officer-dragging driver sentenced Ford defends G20 police ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:51:05 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Fantino wins Vaughan; Liberals take Manitoba by-election - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: "Firearms Digest" Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:33 AM Subject: Fantino wins Vaughan; Liberals take Manitoba by-election > GLOBE & MAIL - NOVEMBER 30, 2010 > Fantino wins Vaughan for Tories; Liberals take Manitoba by-election > GLORIA GALLOWAY AND ADRIAN MORROW > OTTAWA AND VAUGHAN- Globe and Mail Update > Last updated Tuesday, Nov. 30, 2010 9:35AM EST > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/fantino-wins-vaughan-for-tories-liberals-take-manitoba-by-election/article1818254/ > > But the sting for the Liberals of that loss was blunted when former > Liberal MLA Kevin Lamoureux defeated the NDP's Kevin Chief in Winnipeg > North. He was leading by about 800 votes with all 153 polls reporting. Whats the difference between a Lieberal and an NDP`er? They both stick together on issues like sh*t on a blanket. ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:58:58 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Fantino Supports the Licensing Newly elected CPC MP Julian Fantino supports the licensing of firearms owners "I supported everything else that came with Bill C68, which was licensing of gun ownership, ..." A: ... But I think I want to also be clear that the long-gun registry is only one small piece of a piece of legislation that I highly supported. I never supported the gun registry, I supported everything else that came with Bill C68, which was licensing of gun ownership, the transaction of firearms, the safe storage of firearms and ammunition. I think those are all great things. The long-gun registry has been, I think, a huge, huge boondoggle. However, we support other pieces of that legislation. Is there any reason for us to be "happy" this "win"? Sincerely, Eduardo On 1-Dec-10, at 9:46 AM, Dennis & Hazel Young wrote: > NATIONAL POST - DECEMBER 1, 2010 > Q&A JULIAN FANTINO > By Tamsin McMahon > http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/11/30/qa-julian-fantino/ > > > Q: How about the long-gun registry? > > A: Well the long-gun registry, as you know, has been dealt with. > However, if > it was to ever come up again, I would vote to do away with it. I > think it's > been a huge waste of taxpayers money. The end result has not been > value-added to public safety at all. But I think I want to also be > clear > that the long-gun registry is only one small piece of a piece of > legislation > that I highly supported. I never supported the gun registry, I > supported > everything else that came with Bill C68, which was licensing of gun > ownership, the transaction of firearms, the safe storage of firearms > and > ammunition. I think those are all great things. The long-gun > registry has > been, I think, a huge, huge boondoggle. However, we support other > pieces of > that legislation. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, December 1, 2010 10:00 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: EDITORIAL: The Fantino effect OTTAWA CITIZEN - DECEMBER 1, 2010 EDITORIAL: The Fantino effect http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/Fantino+effect/3909094/story.html The Conservative base is split two ways on justice policy. There's the libertarian side, which tends to emphasize civil liberties and small government. And there's the tough-on-crime side, which doesn't. Julian Fantino's victory in Monday's byelection north of Toronto adds weight to the tough-on-crime side of the scales. It's certainly been interpreted already, by federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, as an endorsement of the Conservative crime agenda. That might be a stretch. Byelections are often imbued with more significance, by pundits and politicians than they really merit. The one in Vaughan was a tight race and Fantino had significant name recognition on his side, so the byelection itself isn't necessarily an indication that voters want to see justice policy tip one way or the other. But Fantino, as former chief of three Ontario police services and commissioner of the Ontario Provincial Police, brings a rich background and a definite point of view to the Tory caucus, and it would be strange if that didn't influence the government's direction. It's also quite likely that, being a high-profile candidate from Toronto area, Fantino will get a spot in the cabinet fairly soon. Even if becoming a minister means he can't speak his mind in public on matters where his zeal for tough policies exceeds the current party line, there won't be anything stopping him from arguing in favour of the law-and-order world view in private with his colleagues. If Fantino's arrival on Parliament Hill has any noticeable effect, it will be to add an extra bit of momentum to the existing crime agenda and help the government spin itself as a beat cop's best friend. That's bad news for anyone who believes evidence has a place in the formation of crime policy. The Conservatives continue to create new mandatory minimum sentences despite lacking any proof that they reduce crime, and despite poignant high-profile cases -- that of Capt. Robert Semrau, or of Robert Latimer, who just made parole -- that demonstrate the need for flexibility in sentencing. They all but eliminated extra credit for time served in remand, without addressing the delays and crowding that led judges to establish that practice in the first place, and without any concern for the cost to taxpayers. The government also demonstrated an unhealthy disregard for facts in the recent debate over the long-gun registry. With the RCMP still recovering from the Dziekanski affair, with very valid questions about police actions at the G20 protests in Toronto still in the public mind, with the entire country horrified by the actions of Ottawa police in the unwarranted arrest of Stacy Bonds, the conduct of police officers could soon become a national preoccupation. Fantino's history of bluster suggests he might not be the best politician to speak for the federal government in that conversation. But his background and profile virtually guarantee that he will. All told, Fantino's election seems likely to encourage the government to engage in divisive politics and create unfounded, expensive crime policies. There's every reason to believe he'll fit right in to the Tory caucus. As he showed during the byelection campaign, he's already developed a habit of avoiding the media. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:18:45 -0700 From: "Barry Snow" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #179 - -------------------------------------------------- Tony, You are apparently not familiar with this item. It is many parts including upper slide, barrel, extractor and firing pin and can be fired without installing it on a frame. Also, you do not need to re register for change of caliber, only for change of class, ie: from prohibited to restricted or frame only. Most of my firearms do not even have a caliber listed. Barry > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:20:39 -0500 > From: TONY KATZ > Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #173 > > because it is just a part, the frame is the firearm. however if you leave > the conversion kit on the firearm for more than 30 days you need to > reregister it to show the change in calibre. > >> From: tanstafl@telusplanet.net >> To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca >> Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #173 >> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:40:26 -0700 >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:40:59 -0700 (MST) >> From: Jim Szpajcher >> Subject: RE: Kimber conversion kit on Norinco? >> >> Folks - >> >> I have a Ciener .22 LR conversion that fits nicely on a Norinco 1911 >> Commander model. >> >> Jim Szpajcher >> Roosevelt, Utah >> >> Jim, Can you figure out why the Ciener is not classed as a firearm in >> Canada. I saw one that looks like you could carve a frame from wood and >> fire it with a rubber band and toy hammer. >> >> Barry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:09:30 -0600 From: "Live to Ride" Subject: Re: Remington 700 rifles > > I sold it after only a few months. Will never buy another Remington rifle. > Well, I have to say I bought a Remington 700 in 7mm and I love my gun. I have only had issues with a few reloaded rounds that I never trimmed enough off the cases. I have shot many deer and one moose with my Remington and I WOULD buy another one (not that I need another one)! in a heart beat. Scottie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 00:03:03 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Decline of the middle class ... [NFR] ... We're ignoring inequality at our peril [This seems like a popular topic today]. The decline of the self-destructive middle class Published On Wed Dec 01 2010 By Thomas Walkom National Affairs Columnist http://www.thestar.com/article/899297--walkom-the-decline-of-the-self-destructive-middle-class In a strange way, the Depression of the 1930s helped create the modern middle class. The legacy of this slump may be its destruction. That the middle class is under attack is not news. People know it in their own lives as pay cheques wither and jobs disappear. Now a new Canadian study indicates the extent to which this country’s middle class has been eroded — even during the so-called good times. Written by economist Armine Yalnizyan for the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives and due to be released Wednesday, “The Rise of Canada’s Richest 1%” uses previously unpublished research to analyze who reaped the gains during the boom years 1997 to 2007. By an astounding margin, the winners were the ultra-rich. The top one per cent of the population — those earning an average of $405,000 — appropriated more than 30 per cent of the extra income generated in that decade. Which left less for everyone else. In past years, the plight of the very poor has received considerable attention, particularly in this newspaper. But increasingly, the other side of the income gap is being addressed. The Trouble with Billionaires, a recent book by journalist Linda McQuaig and tax lawyer Neil Brooks, takes on the common assumption that the ultra-rich deserve what they make, as well as the belief that well-to-do philanthropists are always motivated by a desire to do good works. Now Yalnizyan, whose previous work on Canada’s growing income gap highlighted problems faced by the poor has turned to the logical corollary: If some people are doing relatively badly, others must be raking the cash in. Or, to paraphrase McQuaig and Brooks: The problem with billionaires is that they soak up all the money. Yalnizyan points out in her study that incomes in Canada haven’t been so unequal since the beginning of World War II. And, she notes, the gap between those at the very top and the rest of us — also known as the middle class — are growing faster than at any time in recorded Canadian history. Canada’s middle classes have been under attack before. Middle class wage earners made gains in the early 1920s, only to see them wiped out by the Depression. Yet it was hard times of the ‘30s — and the great boost that these times gave to radical social movements and Communist parties — that convinced governments they had to act. Programs like unemployment insurance, welfare and old age pensions — as well as union-friendly labour laws — were designed in large part to prevent social upheaval. And they worked. In the decades after World War II, the North American middle classes prospered. The gap between the rich and everyone else narrowed significantly. Ironically, Depression-era left-wing agitation had helped to create, by the 1950s, a stable, conservative, bourgeois (and anti-Communist) society. Today, we see the same impoverishment of the middle classes that Canada endured 75 years ago. Employers use high unemployment levels to beat back unions. Governments use recessionary deficits as a rationale for cutting social spending. But today, unlike the ‘30s, no popular radical movement threatens the social order. So there is little reason for governments to do anything serious. Instead, there is pressure — from the middle classes themselves — to adhere to the bourgeois virtues of thrift and individualism by cutting taxes, reducing social spending and limiting the power of unions. As documented by Yalnizyan, such measures help the very rich. But they don’t help the disappearing middle class. - -- We're ignoring inequality at our peril ARMINE YALNIZYAN Posted on Wednesday, December 1, 2010 9:17AM EST Armine Yalnizyan is a senior economist with the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/the-econo mists/were-ignoring-inequality-at-our-peril/article1820187/ Concern about growing inequality has been a hot topic in the U.S. for the past few years, triggered by the path-breaking work on income distribution by economists Thomas Picketty and Emmanuel Saez in 2003 and Emmanuel Saez and our very own Mike Veall in 2005. - -- Americans grapple with how much should be sacrificed by whom KONRAD YAKABUSKI WASHINGTON— From Thursday's Globe and Mail Published Wednesday, Dec. 01, 2010 8:25PM EST Last updated Wednesday, Dec. 01, 2010 8:45PM EST > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/konrad-yakabuski/americans-grapple-with - -how-much-should-be-sacrificed-by-whom/article1821472/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, December 1, 2010 11:09 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: CONSERVATIVES AGAINST FANTINO CONSERVATIVES AGAINST FANTINO - OCTOBER 12, 2010 Why Conservatives should help us defeat Fantino - FAQs http://conservativesagainstfantino.wordpress.com/ VOICEOFCANADA.CA - NOVEMBER 27, 2010 MP Diane Finley 'Caught in the Middle' as Liberal MPs question her signature on anti-Fantino petition in House of Commons http://voiceofcanada.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/caledonia-reaches-house-of-commons-for-1st-time-as-liberal-mps-question-caledonias-mp-diane-finley-re-her-signature-on-anti-fantino-petition/ VOICEOFCANADA.CA - DECEMBER 1, 2010 Gary McHale to CBC: Why conservatives cannot trust the CBC http://voiceofcanada.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/gary-mchale-to-cbc-why-conservatives-cant-trust-cbc-i-guess-the-cbc-needed-a-body-in-the-morgue-before-the-story-could-run/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:43 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Ever more government intrusion into our rights and freedoms REGINA LEADER POST - DECEMBER 2, 2010 Ever more government intrusion into our rights and freedoms BY CHRISTINE WHITAKER, SPECIAL TO THE LEADER-POST DECEMBER 2, 2010 http://www.leaderpost.com/Ever+more+government+intrusion+into+rights+freedom s/3914838/story.html In recent weeks we have heard much from the media about the growing frustrations with airport security. In particular, the revealing X-ray scanners and the aggressive groping (euphemistically called a pat-down) are considered by the travelling public to be unnecessarily intrusive and an invasion of privacy. On Nov. 24, U.S. airports were remarkably quiet on what is traditionally their busiest day of the year. Apparently, many Americans made alternative travel arrangements for their Thanksgiving holiday, and it is likely that more and more people will choose not to fly rather than to submit to increasingly inappropriate security measures. My family made the decision never to fly again when, four months after 9/11, we took a short flight from Regina to Edmonton. As we went through security, the only carry-on bag we had was my purse, the contents of which were removed and strewn over the counter. Several completely harmless items were confiscated, including a comb, a nail file and even a lipstick. I have no problem with putting my purse through a scanner, but I object to a stranger rifling through my personal belongings. The excuse for these procedures is that they protect everyone's safety. The reality is the assumption that we are all criminals until we prove otherwise. Sadly, this has become the pervasive attitude behind many of the restrictions imposed upon us by governments and bureaucrats. The long gun registry is the manifestation of a belief that anyone who owns a shotgun is a potential murderer; the requirement to obtain a licence to take a small boat to the lake assumes that a person is a danger to everyone else. Only by passing a test designed for operators of ocean-going vessels may one be legally qualified to go fishing. In November, my husband and I went to the Regina office to renew our passports. Our existing documents were valid for another six weeks, but we renewed early to avoid the pre-Christmas rush. However, when we handed in our renewal applications, our valid passports were taken from us and cancelled. That, we were informed, is the rule. As we were also told that the new ones would take two or three weeks to arrive, we were left without valid documents for that period. Once again, it is feared that, even though we have been law-abiding citizens all our lives, we might do something illegal with the old passports. But what this essentially meant was that our right to travel outside Canada was temporarily suspended. We were effectively prisoners in our own country. Another example involves a neighbour who bought land from a retiring farmer and rented out the house on the home quarter. The tenant now wishes to buy the house and yard. It should be a matter of surveying the site, agreeing on a purchase price, and registering the new title, but first the landowner must apply to the provincial Community Services Ministry for permission to sell his own property. There was a time when a farmer could build a house wherever he wished on his own land. Things have changed in recent years. Now he must apply to his rural municipality for a building permit and submit the house plans for approval. I have a friend who lives in an Ontario village where each house has its own well. A municipal water system is now to be installed at an estimated cost of $23,000 per householder. The residents do not yet know if they will be able to opt out, or whether they will be required to seal their wells. How long will it be before we will be obliged to seek permission to use the Internet; to carry a licence listing our e-mail address and service provider; to register every computer we own? After all, computers can be used for nefarious purposes. On Canada Day and Remembrance Day, we pay lip service to our freedoms, but just how free are we these days? We are hemmed in by regulations, our wallets bulge with licences and photo identification cards, and our names are on too many official lists. Individual rights and freedoms are being abused by all levels of government, and the Orwellian state looms ever closer. - - Whitaker is a freelance writer from Edgeley. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:58:12 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: left wing Rick Socialism and socialists make up the so-called 'left-wing' of partisan politics. Fascism and fascists comprise the 'right wing'. It is easy to remember - just picture Goebbels delivering a speech to the party faithful, arms raised in the Hitlerian salute. Expecting modern left-socialists to learn anything from history is an exercise in futility. They have their agenda and that is that. The fact that they masquerade as 'liberals' is just smoke and mirrors. Remember what Don Cherry said about the Canadian political spectrum: "The Liberals are socialists, the Conservatives are liberals and the NDP are communists." Did I get that right? How else could you explain Canadian politics? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was under the impression that there are four main forms of state economic monopolies; fascism, national socialism (naziism), socialism and communism. These state monopolies all have one feature in common; all of their capital (means of production) is controlled by the state. However, these monopolistic economic systems differ from each other according to how much of their capital is owned by the state. One a scale of 0 to 100 going from a right wing (zero) to left wing (100), anarchy (no govt. controls on capital) would be pegged at 0. Communism (total state ownership and total state control of capital) would be pegged at 100 and placed on the extreme left. In between would be in increasingly leftist positions as you move left on the scale: fascism then naziism then socialism and finally all the way left, the commies. In the middle of the scale would be the free enterprise system (limited self govt. controls) which lies to the right of these four state monopolistic economic systems but to the left of anarchy. Free enterprise could be decribed as not the complete abscence of govt. controls and not total govt. control of business. So nazis and fascists are actually left wingers on the spectrum, not right wingers as many portray them to be. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox, Kanuckistan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:58:05 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Officer-dragging driver sentenced http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2010/11/30/sk-officer-dragged-sentencing-101130.html Officer-dragging driver sentenced CBC News Tuesday, November 30, 2010 A Saskatoon motorist was sentenced Tuesday to six months in jail for dragging a police officer for two blocks following a traffic stop in June. Wesley Klassen, 58, had been stopped for allegedly running through a red light. The officer, Cst. Colin Boyenko, was holding onto Klassen's seat belt when the driver hit the gas and sped away. Boyenko told the court the experience was very distressing. "You can't sleep at night, and you're stressed," Boyenko explained to reporters after court on Tuesday. "Even in the courtroom there, my body has got sweat right away as soon as I start talking about it because it upsets me so much." At the time of the incident, police said the officer suffered minor physical injuries. Klassen's lawyer explained to the court that his client was very sorry for what happened and had simply panicked. After the six-month jail term Klassen will be on probation for two years. He will not be allowed to drive during that time. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/Dragged+wrong/3915434/story.html Dragged cop in the wrong By Dave Haddon, The StarPhoenix December 2, 2010 As a retired 25-year police officer, I was astonished to read the story about the constable being dragged. Why would a person be sentenced to jail for this offence? And why was this officer not reprimanded or even charged criminally? The accused was stopped for a traffic violation. What would justify the officer reaching into the vehicle and grabbing a seatbelt? What irrational thinking would support his action of trying to stop a driver in a 3,000-pound vehicle, just to give him a ticket? He should have recorded the licence plate then followed in his squad car or used his radio. Instead he shot at the car! What is this, the wild west? I am all for supporting our local police, but let's get serious -- these types of actions by an officer are not warranted. The judge in this case also needs to get back to reality. The endangering aspect of this case was brought on solely by the actions of the officer without good cause. It does not warrant jail time. Dave Haddon Saskatoon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:42:19 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Ford defends G20 police [All defenders of the Charter will be cheering, NOT]. Ford defends G20 police By DON PEAT, Toronto Sun > http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/12/02/16399931.html Ford was on AM640 - the talk radio station he's been going on for seven years - speaking to host John Oakley and taking calls from listeners. Ford defended his vow to put the brakes on Transit City and dismissed the notion canceling contracts could have huge costs saying contracted businesses would be more than willing to work through changes to ensure more lucrative contracts for subway building. The new mayor - who took office Wednesday - also defended Toronto Police for their actions during the G20. "I think the police do a good job," Ford said, adding he wouldn't interfere with the Special Investigations Unit investigating complaints into police brutality during the summit. "Personally, if you didn't want to be down there, then you shouldn't have been down there. I didn't take my family out when there is a riot downtown." "I have very little sympathy for the people who were down there and I support our police." Ford repeated his commitment to keep returning calls personally. "For me to personally talk to you it might take a few days, customer service is number one, I have to lead by example," Ford said. [Coming on the heels of all the filmed violations of citizens rights at the G-20 and especially immediately following the fiasco in Ottawa, you'd think the lout would have enough common sense to 'be quiet'. (Many are familiar with a Common Sense Revolution that he may become identified). Surely he's aware, "The mayor is the chief magistrate of a city and it is generally his duty to cause the laws of the city to be enforced, and to superintend inferior officers, such as constables, watchmen and the like. Paraphrased from Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) as listed at http://www.dictionary.net/mayor]. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #181 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)