Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, December 6 2010 Volume 14 : Number 184 In this issue: Gun runners on Aussie streets Facebook is now the most-used site in the world National Post: Our endangered right to self-defence Wear a white ribbon to show that you care Recent conversation about the Montreal Massacre RE: Wear a white ribbon to show that you care Cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, December 5, 2010 11:02 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Gun runners on Aussie streets Gun runners on Aussie streets By Mark Morri, Crime Editor From: The Daily Telegraph December 06, 2010 12:00AM http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad-application/gun-runners-on-streets-of-australia/story-fn6bfmgc-1225966136046 THE three gun runners didn't care who was buying their lethal weapons or what they were going to do with them. All they wanted was the cash. In cafes, backs of cars, even in the car park of a Wollongong hotel in daylight, Aristos Dionys, Michael Zarakas and Andrew Kafizas traded thousands of dollars for machineguns and assault weapons - the tools of trade for professional killers. Lucky for Sydney, the man handing over the money and buying the guns was an undercover police officer. What started as a whisper - or, as police say, "acting on information received" - led to a five-month operation which busted one of the biggest gun hauls in Australia. In nine clandestine meetings police bought 12 weapons, including a Bren machinegun and Mauser semi-automatic pistols. Dionys, 58, of Fairy Meadow, the main supplier, middle man Zarakas, 43, also of Fairy Meadow, and "go-to" man Kafizas, 58, of Wollongong, all pleaded guilty last week to charges of conspiring to supply prohibited weapons. Dionys got a minimum sentence of 10 years and six months, Kafizas five years and Zarakas eight years. The operation showed how much money can be made in the trade of illegal guns. The trio were charging thousands of dollars for sophisticated weapons. A Mauser c96 pistol was worth $8500. Another semi-automatic pistol cost $4250 plus $600 "commission " to the contact man, Zarakas, who referred to himself in a police interview as the "Don Corleone of Wollongong". Automatic pistols like Mausers and Glocks can fetch anything from $3000 to $8000. Machine guns and assault weapons up to $18,000. The final haul by police was more than 100 weapons, including military style machineguns, assault weapons, ammunition, semi-automatic pistols, rifles, night scopes and silencers. Head of the operation Detective Senior-Constable Brad Reh said: "They contacted us each time. What we saw was how often they came to us with what seemed a steady supply of weapons." Police made secret recordings of the three gun runners talking about "cars" and "fuel" - code for guns and ammunition. Just before the last "sting" police got a call from Kafikis. "We have something pretty big for you," he said. That turned out to be a Bren sub-machinegun - mounted on tanks during World War II and capable of firing 500 rounds per minute, with a range of 1.5km. The asking price: $18,000. When police arrested the men they were pretty happy with the 12 guns they had caught them selling. During a search of Dionys' car, a detective found a business card in the ashtray for a storage facility in Padstow. When asked about the card and the facility a very vague Dionys said he stored "ammunition and stuff" there. What police found was an arms cache of 109 weapons ranging from sub-machineguns to double-barrel shotguns. One, a hand-held, Turkish-made 9mm machine pistol was capable of firing 800 rounds a minute and is favoured by many militia and paramilitary organisations. "Finding that card to the storage facility was gold. It could have easily been ignored but the team followed it up and from there we have made a significant in-road into the illegal gun trade," Wollongong crime manager Acting Inspector Brad Ainsworth said. "You can only guess whose hands they would have ended up in. The dealers themselves lived in the Wollongong area but the guns were stored in south-western Sydney." NSW police and federal police are now investigating the source of the guns - although most had the serial numbers defaced and the crims aren't talking. "We got rid of a couple of machineguns and a whole lot of weapons destined for the streets," Insp Ainsworth said. "These men were recklessly selling weapons for gain. They had no idea for what they were to be used or who was getting them." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:15:54 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Facebook is now the most-used site in the world " You either adopt social networking or you're dead," Jenkins said. "Facebook is now the most-used site in the world. "So if you're a company and you want to interact with your customers and you're not using social media, you're just not relevant." The new next big thing: analytics Will be as key as social media. But exec of Open Text says that companies have to get over fears about sharing BY JASON MAGDER, THE GAZETTE NOVEMBER 26, 2010 http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/next+thing+analytics/3886114/story.html Data about data online will become the world's most important commodity, said a leading executive of one of Canada's largest business software companies. Tom Jenkins, the executive chairman and chief strategy officer of Waterloo-based Open Text Inc., said the next biggest wave to hit the Web will be analytics, the ability to analyze all the world's documents and make sense of huge deposits of information. To help spawn this new era, Jenkins said both corporations and governments have to make as much of their information public as possible. "It becomes very important in society that much of what we have that's digital be made available," Jenkins said. "If it's sitting locked up behind a firewall, or it's sitting in a library somewhere, and it's never been digitized, you might as well throw it out, because in the digital world, if you can't easily access it, it doesn't exist." Jenkins, who met with reporters at the W Hotel yesterday morning, said he believes analytics will become as important to the Web as social networking. However, in order for analytics to really take off, there needs to be a lot more information available online, Jenkins said. "Canada is the same as all the other major democracies in the world. Most of the information is still in paper form in libraries. The challenge for us is how fast are we doing it compared to the others? We're no better or worse than others at the moment, but if we don't keep pace, we could become a laggard, and that could become a problem for productivity." Jenkins said companies and governments have an inherent fear in sharing information, and that's why many have been slow to embrace social media tools like Facebook and Twitter, many of them blocking access to employees. He said companies are currently "scared to death" of working with Facebook and Twitter, but that will have to change. "Companies have no choice. You either adopt social networking or you're dead," Jenkins said. "Facebook is now the most-used site in the world. So if you're a company and you want to interact with your customers and you're not using social media, you're just not relevant." Jenkins said the fear of Facebook is similar to a fear that many companies had in the late 1990s about email. At the time, he said many companies were considering shutting down the email addresses of their employees because they couldn't control what employees were writing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:53 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: National Post: Our endangered right to self-defence NATIONAL POST - NOVEMBER 30, 2010 Our endangered right to self-defence By Matt Gurney, National Post http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/endangered+right+self+defence/3903262/story.html Common-law traditions and the Criminal Code give Canadians the right to defend their lives and property; and, in some cases, to intervene to protect the lives and property of others. And yet, Canadians who exercise these rights often find themselves hit with criminal charges. Take the case of Burton, N.B., neighbours Brian Fox and Lawrence Manzer, both retired Canadian Forces members and victims of repeated break-ins and acts of vandalism on their property. The pair had contacted local police, an RCMP detachment, numerous times. But the police said there was little they could do about crimes against property unless the perpetrators were caught in the act. Last March, Fox discovered three intruders on his property just before 3 a.m. He and his son rushed outside to confront the intruders before they could get away. Manzer also ran outside to help his neighbour, carrying an unloaded shotgun and a fistful of shells, while his wife phoned the police. The intruders were drunk teenagers, easily subdued. Manzer, seeing there was no risk of danger, put his unloaded firearm back into storage, locking it up, as required by law. The police arrived and arrested the teens; and one was fined for underage drinking. While no other action was taken against them, the spree of break-ins and vandalism stopped after this incident. But that wasn't the end of it. In a twist akin to the trial of Toronto shopkeeper David Chen (charged for performing a citizen's arrest on a habitual thief ), Fox was arrested for assault six days later, and Manzer was arrested for pointing a firearm. While the assault charge against Fox was dropped, Manzer faces a court date next week on the reduced charge of possessing a weapon for a purpose dangerous to public peace. Such is the state of self-defence law in Canada today. The intruders get off with one fine between them; the military veteran coming to the aid of his neighbour while carrying an unloaded, legal weapon is called a threat to public peace. The reluctance of the police to sanction our right to self-defence was summed up in a statement by RCMP Sergeant Pierre Gervais. He offered a general comment to citizens who might find themselves in a similar situation as Fox and Manzer: "If you're not in immediate danger, or if you can safely disengage from a situation, then please, call the police." But it's not true that citizens have a legal obligation to retreat from an intruder on their own property. Moreover, in this case, the police were called. As we know from the Chen case, however, that's no guarantee that the criminal in question will be apprehended -- or even that the police will bother dispatching anyone. Manzer and Fox are honest citizens who stepped in to fill a void in the law, and took reasonable, measured steps to detain criminals who might have posed a direct threat to their persons and property. The force used was reasonable and the police were swiftly called. That these men should then themselves be treated like criminals speaks loudly to the urgent need for an immediate review of the laws of self-defence and citizen's arrest. The wages of crimes should be paid by criminals -- not the victims who intervene to stop them. mgurney@nationalpost.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, December 5, 2010 1:01 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Wear a white ribbon to show that you care RED RIVER VALEY ECHO - DECEMBER 5, 2010 Wear a white ribbon to show that you care By Lori Penner http://www.altonaecho.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2875218 Dec. 6 is the National Day of Remembrance and Action in Violence Against Women in Canada. This day coincides with the sad anniversary of the deaths of 14 women who were tragically killed in Montreal because of their gender. None of the victims who went to class at L'Ecole Polytechnique could have guessed that they were a target. That day, on a cold late December afternoon in 1989, a young man named Marc Lepine lashed out with a semi-automatic rifle. As soon as he entered a classroom, he separated the women from the men, lined the women along the wall, and then killed them one by one. In addition to killing 14 female engineering students, he injured eight other women, and also four men who tried to stop him. Then, he killed himself. This tragic event has come to be known as the Montreal Massacre. A police investigation later revealed that Lepine was on a mission. In his pocket, they found a list of 15 other female targets in various professions. In his eyes, they were all guilty of the same thing. They were all women who chose non-traditional careers and dared to be leaders in their fields. Since then, over 170 women have died through acts of violence in Manitoba. It's these kinds of senseless acts that make places like Genesis House in Winkler so necessary. Genesis House is a shelter for abused women in the South Central region. Last year alone, they provided shelter for 62 women and 66 children. Board chair Sandra Dobson says it's important to mark the anniversary of the Montreal Massacre. "The events that took place in Montreal in 1989 have become an unfortunate and tragic part of Canadian history," she says. "It is important to reflect and remember what happened in Montreal. Genesis House is a resource that we offer women who live daily with violence in the South Central region." Executive director Ang Braun says they made the move last year to encourage awareness throughout Domestic Violence month in November. "We hosted pajama parties in Winker and Morden for families, with the idea to encourage healthy family activities," Braun says. She says they also hold an annual family dance to support healthy family activities. "And last year a new tradition that we started was to try to encourage men to be part of the solution so we entered a more male domain, hockey rinks, and handed out white ribbons to people attending hockey games." They handed out about 2,000 white ribbons. This year, Genesis House has five games lined up. The teams also wear white jerseys with a "Peace begins at Home" logo on the front. "We also encourage any of the local high schools to mark the day, and we are happy to come out and help with that, either through presentations or handing out white ribbons," she says. "We also have asked the churches in South Central to mark Domestic Violence month with a prayer for both victims and perpetrators to receive the help and support they need," she said. "I cannot say how many if any churches take us up on that. But we sent out over 200 letters." Braun says they really want to bring home the idea that everyone can be part of the solution by wearing the white ribbons, and showing their support for the elimination of violence against women/girls. "In 2010 we have lost 12 women/girls through acts of violence in Manitoba. That is 12 families that will be missing a significant person this holiday season all because of an act of violence. We want people to feel upset by this. Often it takes that kind of feeling to make some significant change." As far as keeping safe in relationships, Braun says she would encourage anyone in a relationship to keep their eyes open for red flags such as jealousy, controlling behavior, guilt, or irrational requests. "Anything that makes you feel a bit weird would be considered a red flag and you should pay attention to it," she says. "We know that many of the women in abusive relationship have been with their partners since late teens, so the patterns can be very deep." She adds that as community members, if we are present in a situation that makes us feel uncomfortable for someone else, we can speak up, either right then, or privately to let the victim know that there is support for them and that they have options. - ------------------------- NEWS RELEASE - June 21, 2006 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: WOMEN'S SHELTERS OR THE GUN REGISTRY? "Statistics Canada reports 220 women and children turned away in one day!" http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/2006/june21.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:23:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Howard R. Hamilton" Subject: Recent conversation about the Montreal Massacre The following is a "status" going around Facebook, and I felt a need to respond to it. My response and the responses that it engendered follow: Please support The Sisters In Spirit. All women face violence. In Canada, native women face it disproportionally. Tommorow also is the anniversaary of the Montreal Massacre. At the Polytech. women were murdered for daring to educate themselves to qualify to enter f field dominated by men. - - Me Although I agree with the idea behind your post, the Montreal Massacre has nothing to do with women being murdered for daring to educate themselves. It is about people not being allowed to defend themselves when a crazy person takes a gun in and starts shooting people. It is also about the failure of society in raising meek sheeple. Had the "men" who were being sent away stood up and tried to disarm Gamil Gharbi, maybe one or two of them would have been shot, but Gamil Gharbi would have been disarmed and the ladies would not have died. Had the police actually entered the building and tried to protect those ladies, instead of waiting until he had shot all of them, there might have been more of them that survived. I am disgusted with the "grief and victim" industry that keeps standing in the blood of these poor ladies, trying to destroy Canadian society. - - Her Are you seriously suggesting that they would have been safe if the MEN around them all had guns and rushed to their RESCUE? I have a MAJOR problem with that logic! - - Me You are taking the viewpoint espoused by the CfGC that is trying to make everyone a victim. Had one of the ladies (or guys) had a concealed gun, they could have stopped the slaughter. But, nobody needed a gun. Had the guys did what guys used to do, and thought a bit, they could have rushed and disarmed Gamil Gharbi before the slaughter began. As far as "MEN having guns and rushing to their rescue" is that not what they were waiting for, ie the police? o My sister I think Howie is taking the view point that if we were allowed to keep hand guns on our person that one of those ladies could have possibly taken him out before the slaughter started. And not just men Howie - if anyone could have stepped up to the plate a little sooner the slaughter could have possibly been thwarted. I used to love driving around in Texas where you can still have a shot gun hanging from the rear window of your truck. When people are armed and educated the criminal has to think twice about who he/she is going to attack. Society as a whole is relying way to much on the so called "law enforcement" which in a lot of cases is stressed and/or corrupt. We need to be able to defend ourselves and not have to worry about the consequences fo our actions being taken to court in favor of the criminal whom we were defending against!! I believe you have opened a can of worms!! - - Her Obviously I opened a can of worms! I beleive that the violence against women is deeply seated in their historical vicimization (which we are attempting to overcome). I do not believe that having everyone carry guns is the answer. Guns kill more poople than they protect. Just look at the American society with its right to bear arms. The murder rates are higher there than almost any other Western country. Many are murdered with guns, many of them victims of family violence. - - Me Sorry, the countries that have the highest per capita gun ownership have the lowest crime rates. That would be Switzerland. And using the USA as a single homogenous example is completely bogus. If you separate the areas and states, the places that have the highest murder rates are the places that have the most laws restricting gun ownership. Places like Washington DC, Chicago and New York have the high murder rates and the lowest legal gun possesion rates. States like Montana and Vermont, where legal gun ownership is encouraged, are the places where murder is the lowest. The problem that causes high murder rates and the family violence, is a combination of poverty and low education. If society were to try and aleviate these problems, the family violence and murder problem would be reduced as well. - - Her You have obviously thought a lot about the "right to bear arms argument". Unfortunatly that transfers reponsibility to end the violence to the individual when a society that tolerates (and sometimes even encourages) violence needs to reassess itself. We are only a generation or two removed from a time when women (and children) were considered the legal chattels of their husbands/fathers. Remember the "rule of thumb" arguement? Under common law a father/husband had the right to beat his wife or child so long as the diameter rod were no bigger than his thumb? Straps were still used in schools (and supported at home) and wives did not have the legal right to leave their husbands. There are still states that condemn women to stoning for the "disobedience" of sex outside of marriage. Yes, education is a part of the necessary change, but until we, as a society (not just individuals) decide that such violence will not be tolerated change will be slow. - - Me I am not so interested in the "right to bear arms" as the right of an individual to defend themselves or their family. The problem of violence is always one of an individual in trouble, and society usually is not there to help that person. To quote a cliche, "when seconds count, the police are minutes away." If the individual does not have the means and right to protect themselves, society will never be able to protect them either. The individual is the only person who can protect them self. Society has to facilitate the individual in protecting them self, and condemn the people who would harm the individual. The societies that condone violence against women and/or children have problems as a society that need to be fixed. Our society has fixed some of the problems (there are still problems that need to be fixed, but some of the solutions are causing problems that are worse than the problems that they were supposed to fix), but is drifting towards an Orwellian society where the individuals do not have any rights. If we stray too far down this road, not only will women have problems of violence, but anyone who is a little different will. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 03:56:23 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: RE: Wear a white ribbon to show that you care Yeah, wear a white ribbon and remember "cowardly @sshole" who murdered 14 women. Call him by his original name or call him by his adopted name. You will be giving him exactly what he wanted, which is eternal infamy. I will not mention his name, except to call him "cowardly @sshole", which is exactly what he was. Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* > Subject: Wear a white ribbon to show that you care > From: dhyoung@shaw.ca > Date: > To: cfdmod@scorpion.bogend.ca > > RED RIVER VALEY ECHO - DECEMBER 5, 2010 > Wear a white ribbon to show that you care > By Lori Penner > http://www.altonaecho.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3D2875218 > > Dec. 6 is the National Day of Remembrance and Action in Violence Against > Women in Canada. This day coincides with the sad anniversary of the > deaths of 14 women who were tragically killed in Montreal because of > their gender. None of the victims who went to class at L'Ecole > Polytechnique could have guessed that they were a target. > > That day, on a cold late December afternoon in 1989, a young man named > "cowardly @sshole" lashed out with a semi-automatic rifle. As soon as > he entered a classroom, he separated the women from the men, lined the > women along the wall, and then killed them one by one. In addition to > killing 14 female engineering students, he injured eight other women, > and also four men who tried to stop him. Then, he killed himself. This > tragic event has come to be known as the Montreal Massacre. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:16:26 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/the-us-embassy-cables WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists Declan Walsh in Islamabad Sunday 5 December 2010 guardian.co.uk Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba - but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton. "More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. "Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said. Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates. The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them. The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities. One cable details how the Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005. Meanwhile officials with the LeT's charity wing, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, travelled to Saudi Arabia seeking donations for new schools at vastly inflated costs - - then siphoned off the excess money to fund militant operations. Militants seeking donations often come during the hajj pilgrimage - "a major security loophole since pilgrims often travel with large amounts of cash and the Saudis cannot refuse them entry into Saudi Arabia". Even a small donation can go far: LeT operates on a budget of just $5.25m (£3.25m) a year, according to American estimates. Saudi officials are often painted as reluctant partners. Clinton complained of the "ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist funds emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority". Washington is critical of the Saudi refusal to ban three charities classified as terrorist entities in the US. "Intelligence suggests that these groups continue to send money overseas and, at times, fund extremism overseas," she said. There has been some progress. This year US officials reported that al-Qaida's fundraising ability had "deteriorated substantially" since a government crackdown. As a result Bin Laden's group was "in its weakest state since 9/11" in Saudi Arabia. Any criticisms are generally offered in private. The cables show that when it comes to powerful oil-rich allies US diplomats save their concerns for closed-door talks, in stark contrast to the often pointed criticism meted out to allies in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Instead, officials at the Riyadh embassy worry about protecting Saudi oilfields from al-Qaida attacks. The other major headache for the US in the Gulf region is the United Arab Emirates. The Afghan Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network earn "significant funds" through UAE-based businesses, according to one report. The Taliban extort money from the large Pashtun community in the UAE, which is home to 1 million Pakistanis and 150,000 Afghans. They also fundraise by kidnapping Pashtun businessmen based in Dubai or their relatives. "Some Afghan businessmen in the UAE have resorted to purchasing tickets on the day of travel to limit the chance of being kidnapped themselves upon arrival in either Afghanistan or Pakistan," the report says. Last January US intelligence sources said two senior Taliban fundraisers had regularly travelled to the UAE, where the Taliban and Haqqani networks laundered money through local front companies. One report singled out a Kabul-based "Haqqani facilitator", Haji Khalil Zadran, as a key figure. But, Clinton complained, it was hard to be sure: the UAE's weak financial regulation and porous borders left US investigators with "limited information" on the identity of Taliban and LeT facilitators. The lack of border controls was "exploited by Taliban couriers and Afghan drug lords camouflaged among traders, businessmen and migrant workers", she said. In an effort to stem the flow of funds American and UAE officials are increasingly co-operating to catch the "cash couriers" - smugglers who fly giant sums of money into Pakistan and Afghanistan. In common with its neighbours Kuwait is described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida and other militant groups. While the government has acted against attacks on its own soil, it is "less inclined to take action against Kuwait-based financiers and facilitators plotting attacks outside of Kuwait". Kuwait has refused to ban the Revival of Islamic Heritage Society, a charity the US designated a terrorist entity in June 2008 for providing aid to al-Qaida and affiliated groups, including LeT. There is little information about militant fundraising in the fourth Gulf country singled out, Qatar, other than to say its "overall level of CT co-operation with the US is considered the worst in the region". The funding quagmire extends to Pakistan itself, where the US cables detail sharp criticism of the government's ambivalence towards funding of militant groups that enjoy covert military support. The cables show how before the Mumbai attacks in 2008, Pakistani and Chinese diplomats manoeuvred hard to block UN sanctions against Jamaat- ud-Dawa. But in August 2009, nine months after sanctions were finally imposed, US diplomats wrote: "We continue to see reporting indicating that JUD is still operating in multiple locations in Pakistan and that the group continues to openly raise funds". JUD denies it is the charity wing of LeT ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #184 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)