Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, December 9 2010 Volume 14 : Number 188 In this issue: G20 Policing Report - Caught in the Act Re: Kartoum, Sudan Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #187 re: "... banning Muslims ..." Al Qaeda Looks to Make New 'Friends' Evidence tossed out in massive drug bust re: re: de-reg process Vanier [finally] admits he's a criminal Fwd: Nothing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:10:28 -0800 From: "Jim Pook" Subject: G20 Policing Report - Caught in the Act You can download the report here: http://www.ombudsman.on.ca/media/157555/g20final1-en.pdf It is 47 MB in size - be prepared to wait a few minutes for it to download. OR You can email them to ask for a written copy: Phone: 1-800-263-1830 - Complaints Line Fax: 416-586-3485 TTY (Teletypewriter): 1-866-411-4211 E-mail: info@ombudsman.on.ca Address: Office of the Ombudsman of Ontario Bell Trinity Square 483 Bay Street, 10th Floor, South Tower Toronto, ON M5G 2C9 Jim Pook Vancouver Island-North The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. - Albert Einstein "Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced." - Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:30:22 -0700 From: Bill Farion Subject: Re: Kartoum, Sudan On 09/12/2010 8:08 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > >> OTTAWA - The 21st anniversary of the Montreal massacre reignited >> political combat over gun control Monday. The Harper government came >> under fire for its decision last week to delay -- for the third time >> -- regulations that police say are essential for quickly tracing guns >> used in crimes. >> >> Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said the timing of the decision >> demonstrates the Conservatives' insensitivity to the national Hi, Check this out! Violence against women in Kharom. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL5BQXQbW7I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:54:50 -0700 From: Rick Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #187 On 2010-12-09, at 8:08 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > ......... > Correcting these errors, I estimate that taxpayers would save approximately > $20 million in 2011/12 by eliminating the long-gun registry. > > Cordially yours, > > > Gary Mauser, Professor Emeritus > Institute for Canadian Urban Research Studies > Faculty of Business Administration > Simon Fraser University > Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 > www.garymauser.net/ Thanks for that but, frankly, it's never been a money issue for me. The money issue is a red herring even among the gun grabbers. It's about resisting irrational and ideological Control. It's about supporting freedom. Personal freedom and individual responsibility are flip sides of the same coin. One cannot exist without the other. Those two concepts are poles on the same magnet. When one is rejected, the other is necessarily rejected. The gun control issue is about personal freedom. And it's necessarily also about personal responsibility. I accept both. Liberals don't want personal responsibility and are afraid of freedom. It's like that with a lot of folks - they talk a big fight about personal liberty but deep down they fear it and don't want the responsibility that necessarily comes with liberty. Let's not be distracted. Let's not be afraid to speak the Truth. And above all - let's not have our thoughts and voices censored by our liberal media or fear of labelling by said liberal media. There's still lots and lots of folks who "get it" but precious few in the public eye who will stand up and speak for them. Rick. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:56:42 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: re: "... banning Muslims ..." C.S. Lewis said that the difference between Christianity and other major religions was that Christianity was the only one that offered salvation by faith, not through martydom and suffering. That was already done for us. With the advent of the birth of "The Prince of Peace", the following quote is timely: "Unlike Christianity, which preached a peace that it never achieved, Islam unashamedly came with a sword." Steven Runciman This harsh, but realistic view is not unjustified. Throughout history, the Muslim faith was spread by means of "The Flaming Sword of Islam" - convert or die. Adherents still see virtue in suicide bombings and unspeakable acts of brutality against Infidels and their own people. Christians retaliate by invading Muslim countries (can you say 'Crusade'?) and bombing them into submission - or attempting to. We haven't achieved it yet, but that doesn't keep us from trying. Peace on earth to men of good will! Merry Christmas! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:02:16 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Al Qaeda Looks to Make New 'Friends' http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/09/facebook-friends-terror/ Al Qaeda Looks to Make New 'Friends'-- On Facebook By Jana Winter December 09, 2010 FoxNews.com EXCLUSIVE: If you're on Facebook, Al Qaeda wants to friend you. Terrorist groups are using Facebook to share operational information and to target, recruit and radicalize members of the general public, according to a Department of Homeland Security report obtained by FoxNews.com. The DHS report, "Terrorist Use of Social Networking Sites: Facebook Case Study," notes while terrorists have been using social networking sites for quite some time, their strategies for exploiting Facebook have evolved and that they have learned "the inherent value in exploiting a non-ideological medium." According to the November report, terrorists and jihadists use Facebook as: - - a way to share operational and tactical information, including bomb recipes and weapons maintenance; - - a gateway to extremist forums; - - a media outlet for propaganda; - - a source of remote reconnaissance for targeting purposes. "Every person who connects to the Internet with a computer needs to take this issue seriously," says Steve Graham, senior director for EC Council, a cybersecurity certification membership organization. "Reports like this show we are figuratively sitting next to terrorists. So are our friends, our kids and anyone else who types www." DHS found that among the materials available to Facebook's more than 500 million members are: - - Informational videos titled "tactical shooting," "getting to know your AK-47" and "how to field strip an AK-47." Those videos can be found on the page of a radical public Facebook group that is dedicated to jihad and has more than 2,000 members. - - A group discussion page featuring Arabic-language IED recipes for explosive ammonia and poisonous smoke bombs, and instructions on how to prepare nitric acid, which is used to make explosive mixtures. The same recipes were also posted on a radical forum, suggesting "some cross-over between radical content disseminated on Facebook and on Islamist extremist forums," according to the report. Some radical Islamist forums also maintain Facebook pages. "In this way, Facebook acts as a gateway or launching pad for further radicalization and for easy access to sites where explosives recipes and IED information are regularly posted," the report says. While DHS notes that Facebook is not the only social networking site employed by extremists, its report cites discussion threads collected from well-established radical forums that indicate jihadists are specifically targeting the site: This [Facebook] is a great idea, and better than the forums. Instead of waiting for people to [come to you so you can] inform them, you go to them and teach them! God willing, the mujahedeen, their supporters, and proud jihadi journalists will [use the site, too]. [First,] it has become clear that the market of social networking websites is developing in an astonishing manner and that it fulfills important needs for Internet users, particularly younger ones. [Second,] Facebook has become very successful in this field; therefore, it is our duty to use it, as adherents of jihad and [members] of the blessed jihadi media. [I] mean, if you have a group of 5,000 people, with the press of a button you [can] send them a standardized message. [That] means if you send one message with a link to [forum names], a clear [path] to jihadi media is open. I entreat you, by God, to begin registering for Facebook as soon as you [finish] reading this post. Familiarize yourselves with it. This post is a seed and a beginning, to be followed by serious efforts to optimize our Facebook usage. Let's start distributing Islamic jihadi publications, posts, articles, and pictures. Let's anticipate a reward from the Lord of the Heavens, dedicate our purpose to God, and help our colleagues. One forum user outlined "General Goals of the Invasion": 1. Reach the wide base of Muslims who [use] Facebook. 2. Encourage brothers to devise new online media in support of jihadi media. 3. Form a solid base on Facebook and shed light on it as a medium for reaching people. 4. Move from an elite society ([on] jihadi forums and websites) to mainstream Muslims, [encourage] their participation, and interact with them. 5. Advance media operations and encourage creativity, innovation, flexibility, and change. Reach large [numbers] of Crusaders, broadcast the losses of their armies, expose the lies of their leaders, and call Muslims to jihad. "These posts call for the organized, strategic exploitation of Facebook, recognizing its value as a platform for reaching a wider, younger audience," the report states. Posters recognize that forums are visited by already-radicalized jihadi supporters, "whereas Facebook offers a space to interact with "mainstream Muslims" and attract and recruit new supporters." "[S]ocial networking interfaces whose purpose is to virtually connect people based on such common social bonds clearly lend themselves to extremist use and recruitment efforts," the report states. Other posts demonstrate security savvy by recommending the use of proxy servers to provide anonymity, while others show strategy employed to recruit new members. A "concerning factor here is the speed at which an entire demographic can be located and communicated with," Graham said. "DHS mentions the use of social media to find groups with similar interests. "Fact is, what used to take months to get a few recruits who meet the right criteria is now on a harvested mailing list. Groups are being communicated to in the hundreds, speeding up recruiting efforts." Jihadists use cyber propaganda material to target youths on Facebook, said Jeff Bardin, chief security strategist at security firm XA Systems. "The youth who come to Facebook looking for jihadist information are the Generation X and Y youth who also don't worry too much about the security of their profiles and what they post, providing easy prey for intelligence agencies worldwide to access, infiltrate and fully penetrate those wishing to learn," he said. Facebook tries to filter out terrorist activity by checking for names of terrorists and terrorist organizations provided by the State and Treasury Departments. The DHS report states: "According to Facebook Rights and Responsibilities on the website, 'You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates someone else's rights or otherwise violates the law.' It also states that 'We can remove any content or information you post on Facebook if we believe that it violates this Statement.' However, information is not screened before it is posted, so posts that violate the rules remain on the site until they are detected and removed." Facebook spokesman Andrew Noyes told FoxNews.com: "We take our Statement of Rights and Responsibilities very seriously and react quickly to reports of inappropriate content and behavior. Groups that threaten violence towards people are taken down, as are groups that express hatred towards individuals and those sponsored by recognized terrorist organizations. The goal of these policies is to strike a very delicate balance between giving people the freedom to express their opinions and viewpoints - even those that may be controversial to some - and maintaining a safe and trusted environment." DHS spokesman Bobby Whithorne provided FoxNews.com with this statement: "The Office for Bombing Prevention (OBP) facilitates a constant feedback loop with our law enforcement partners on TRIPwire, and as a result of ongoing discussions on the topic, OBP developed a case study on the use of social networking sites to better inform our partners about techniques, tactics and procedures used by terrorists. It is well known that terrorists recruit and share instructions to develop improvised explosive devices online, and we will continue to provide situational awareness and share information with our law enforcement partners on a range of topics in our shared efforts to deter and disrupt terrorism." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:06:13 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Evidence tossed out in massive drug bust Re: Evidence tossed out in massive drug bust "Admitting the evidence in these circumstances would amount to a judicial declaration that in the administration of criminal law, the end justifies the means if the offence is serious and the evidence is reliable," Court of Queen's Bench Justice Dennis Ball ruled in excluding the seized drugs. Compare this to what the OPP did to Bruce & Donna Montague and the courts in Ontario would not even consider this argument. Sincerely, Eduardo Evidence tossed out in massive drug bust BY BARB PACHOLIK, SASKATCHEWAN NEWS NETWORK; REGINA LEADER-POST DECEMBER 9, 2010 http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Evidence+tossed+massive+drug+bust/3949683/story.html The evidence in one of the largest drug seizures in Saskatchewan's history has been tossed out after a judge ruled the search that turned up millions of dollars worth of cocaine and marijuana in a motorhome near Moose Jaw was illegal. "Admitting the evidence in these circumstances would amount to a judicial declaration that in the administration of criminal law, the end justifies the means if the offence is serious and the evidence is reliable," Court of Queen's Bench Justice Dennis Ball ruled in excluding the seized drugs. Ball found a "flagrant disregard" of charter rights by the Mounties that "should not lightly be condoned." The search on the Trans-Canada Highway near Moose Jaw three years ago uncovered 45 kilograms of cocaine bricks, worth between $1.1 million and $2.5 million depending how the drugs were sold, and 118 kilograms of marijuana, valued between $471,000 and $733,000. In addition, RCMP officers found two bundles of $20 bills totalling $3,080. The ruling comes in the case of Gerard Stephane Joseph Turpin, a B.C. man charged with possession of cocaine and marijuana for the purpose of trafficking. Turpin was arrested June 13, 2007, after RCMP pulled over an eastbound motorhome near Caronport. Arguing Turpin's charter rights were violated, defence lawyer James Sutherland applied to have the evidence ruled inadmissible. In Ball's written ruling, posted this week to an Internet database of legal decisions, he notes the motorhome was stopped just after 2 p.m. by RCMP Const. Ian Warner, part of a "roving traffic unit" of officers experienced in traffic stops that resulted in detecting drugs. Warner saw the older-model motorhome weave about six times. It didn't cross the centre line, wasn't speeding, nor was it reported stolen, the Dec. 1 ruling notes. Warner testified that he didn't conduct sobriety tests on Turpin, the driver and lone occupant, because he had no basis for suspecting impairment. But he did note the accused appeared nervous. A second officer, Const. Darcy Wilson, arrived within minutes. Wilson said he smelled fabric softener coming from the motorhome's interior and believed it was an attempt to mask the smell of alcohol or drugs. Turpin told Wilson he was driving from Vancouver and had been on the road 12 hours. Wilson asked for more vehicle documents and saw about $2,000 in $20 bills when the accused opened his wallet. Wilson became more suspicious. He told court he embarked on an investigation not because of contraband but because he suspected the motorhome was stolen. Wilson misread the vehicle identification numbers and Turpin was arrested for possession of stolen property and vehicle identification number tampering." The motorhome was searched. About 40 to 50 minutes after the initial stop, RCMP told the accused he was being detained for investigation into transporting drugs. A drug sniffer dog detected something in a vent. Officers discovered the plumbing and holding tank systems had been disabled, walls had been moved, and secret compartments created to hide the drugs. During the search, an officer pointed out to Wilson his mistake in the vehicle numbers. Ball agreed with the defence that Turpin's rights against unreasonable search and seizure, not to be arbitrarily detained and to instruct counsel without delay were violated. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:24:46 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: re: re: de-reg process I had the chin strap of my tin foil hat a little too tight ..... all those questions pertaining to the eligilbility of a gun's 'antique' status apply for 'collector' purposes. I got the notification re: expiration of my ATT and Show Permit which recently expired on my birthday, NOT on the expiration of my PAL next year. Go figure how that happened ...... So now I'm making re-application, getting a note from my mother (difficult, as she is deceased) and a thumbprint from God (somewhat easier to obtain when we are on good speaking terms). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:49:15 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Vanier [finally] admits he's a criminal [An example of why the big ole 'state' keeps interfering in the free-marketplace]. Vanier admits he's a criminal By CHIP MARTIN The London Free Press > http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/12/09/16488191.html Robert Vanier has conceded he is a criminal from Quebec who changed his name from Carl Gagnon. In a settlement agreement reached with the Ontario Securities Commission in August that was unsealed Thursday, Vanier also admitted he was part of the witness protection program in Quebec where he amassed a criminal record of more than 70 counts. The founder and former president of Onco Petroleum who found more than 1,400 investors to put more than $30 million into the company confessed his past in a signed agreement with the OSC dated Aug. 5. The settlement was ordered sealed for four months by the commission following an Aug. 9 closed door hearing in Toronto. In the settlement, Gagnon also admitted he mislead investors and securities regulators by failing to disclose his criminal past and by vastly overstating assets of Onco when he took it public in 2007. He conceded he said Onco had $21.8 million with which to revisit abandoned oil and gas reserves when $20 million of that was merely a promissory note held by California con man William Del Biaggio III. And Vanier agreed he filed documents in which he vowed he had neither a criminal record nor had changed his name. Vanier repeatedly told The Free Press his problems were orchestrated by his enemies who were plotting a "hostile takeover" of the London-based company. "I am Robert Vanier," he insisted in a Jan. 8 interview. "I was born Robert Vanier." More Vanier Stories: * Former NHLer among 11 listed on trading ban * Onco trade ban extended * Analyst skeptical about Onco's big find * Onco probes reserve * Onco called on plan * Union Gas saw Tilbury area depleted * $441,000 stays in Vegas * Tycoon focus of U.S. probe * Ex-NHLer's name added to lend star power * Onco coveted Tobin's profile * Sponsorless fundraiser goes ahead * POV: Onco fumbling away barrels of potential * Vanier's troubles worsen * Oil hunter feels burned * Firm pays up after reneging on payments * Embattled president speaks out * Vanier owes his former landlord * Mapping firm fought for pay * More sanctions loom over tardy 2007 report * Car towing Fontana's signal to back out * Farmers riled at Onco * SPECIAL REPORT: Would-be oil tycoon a man of mystery * Onco boss blamed for broken dreams * Troubled director peddled shares * Judge delays rendering fraud decision * Onco investors still hope for return * CTO termed 'serious business' * Ban placed on Onco trading * Company misses self-imposed deadline * Cease-trade order upheald * Shareholder may salvage something out of Onco * Vanier appears to be getting out of London * Firm's latest office shows no signs of life * Onco battle erupts * Vanier remains in charge at Onco * Onco boss battles directors * Vanier slams 'sharks' for 'hostile takeover' bid * Shareholder seeks fix * Truce in offing between directors as meeting delayed * Questions about Vanier delay fraud trial verdict * Onco shareholders' meeting * Vanier surrenders leadership of Onco * Onco sign comes down * Friday meeting cancelled * Onco fallout continues * Onco assets pursued * Vanier promises not to use power * Vanier's day before regulators delayed * Onco Petroleum settlement * Quebec police officer linked to ex-Onco boss * Ramage seeks to dump receiver * A Corporate Chronology * Ex-Onco boss: Mystery man led multiple lives * Vanier tries to derail creditor’s move * Would-be gas bar never opened * Energex Petroleum * Ousted Vanier plotting comeback * Parties battling over evidence in Onco case * Vanier court appearance delayed * Bank seizes Vanier’s home * Vanier faces $3.5M debt in Ontario * Ailing petro-pitchman sees assets slip away * Wolves are at ex-Onco boss’s door * Onco’s Vanier a no-show yet again * Advisers fined $103,500 * Onco court surprise * Creditor's push for Onco assets hits legal snag * Vanier home put up for sale * Golf club goes in forced sale * Mystery illness fells Onco’s Vanier * Onco opposes secret Vanier deal * Vanier details sealed for now * Onco liabilities come in lower * Creditor throws wrench into Onco plan * Onco receivership delayed * Vanier talk of town in Quebec * Farm sector leery of Onco * Onco seeks to meet with farmers * Company 'hanging by its fingernails' * Onco awaiting aerial survey * Onco Petroleum removed from suit against ex-president * Extension staves off CNQ delisting * Company now calling Windsor home * Company faces heavy fine in Quebec * Windsor entrepreneur takes over helm * Crown withdraws fraud charge * Ex-geologist says Vanier threatened to kill him * Vanier Chronology * Vanier documents * Robert Vanier, Onco Petroleum * Inadequate securities system blamed for scandal * Onco granted deferral * Vanier liable for $2.8M * VIDEO: New Head of Onco has High Hopes * Upset investors ponder filing lawsuit * Strathroy golf course now occupies Vanier's time * Toronto courtroom next stop for ex-Onco boss * Ex-Onco boss charged * Onco assets pursued * Vanier hauled before Ontario securities watchdog * $18.3M liabilities uncovered * Vanier's golf club now up for sale * Vanier warned against meeting * Map of points of interest * Onco near financial collapse * Judge denies Vanier chance to speak * Onco well now dry hole * $22M claim bogus * Hearing for Onco boss * Receiver handling all assets of Onco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:19:20 -0800 From: Len Miller Subject: Fwd: Nothing Begin forwarded message: > From: Len Miller > Date: December 9, 2010 9:42:23 AM PST (CA) > To: Kim Bolan > Cc: ian mulgrew , Daphne Bramham >, sunletters@vancouversun.com, "Daniel (ott) Gardner" >, Candice Hoeppner , Robert Nicholson > > Subject: Nothing > > THANK YOU . .Kim Bolan, Vancouver Sun A12 '' FIREARMS BUSINESS > SUES SOLICITOR-GENERAL'' > > Nothing shows the abject failure of Bill C-68, the so-called gun > control legislation, than this. > > John Dixon, former BC had already labelled gun control laws as a > failure. > John Dixon's A Gang that couldn't Shoot Straight ( Globe and Mail ) > > Gary Mauser, SFU professor, labelled it as a failure. > > RCMP A/Comm J.P.R. Murray protested the use of altered police > statistics in his letter of > > RCMP stats were misrepresented, and the public and Parliament were > misled as to the degree of the problem, as well as the need for this > new gun control law. Police Commissioner JPR Murray PROTESTED this > fact, but was ignored. The blatant prejudicial punishing of every > Canadian gun owner was the result, it is estimated that 7.5 million > Canadians are criminalized with the stroke of a Liberal pen, for a > crime that they never committed. > > And, still, we have honest citizens pursued with charges, Alan Rock > promised would never happen. > He just didn't mislead us . . he lied. > > The Bader family, pursuing a legitimate business, is another victim > in the misapplication of a law. > > Gun control, I accuse, is killing people, not having > > > A large 'thank you' to Kim Bolan, for yet another much needed > exposure of not only crimes ( the gangs ) > but the crime of placing the Bader family in needless judicial > jeopardy. > > You ask yourself, why are today's cops, and 'district > attorneys' (read prosecutors ) permitting such outrages? > > Because, they too, have misread the law on CRIME control, and > substituted GUN CONTROL. > > The police, Keith Thompson, Gil Yard, Robert Head, and me, too > numerous to mention, have decried the falsity of gun legislation. > > Politicians, however, are ensuring that the harm created remains. > They don't seem to have a clue on the damage they are causing. > > Gary Mauser, '' The Failed Experiment . . and Senator Ray Haynes > have more than put a point on the harm caused be specious legislation. > '' Dangerous Laws, Ray Haynes . . Orange County Register . . '' > We are, indeed, blessed by reporters, such as Kim Bolan, Lorne > Gunter, Licia Corbella, Dan Gardner, Mark Bonokoski, who. from time > to time > post sense and reason in the press . . something it appears, is not > heeded by politicians. Makes you wonder . . > > What the citizens deserve, and are not getting, is the 'Noblesse > Oblige' part of governance. > We, through English Common Law, and the Magna Carta, were guaranteed > protections . . > something which was lost on the present day crowd in Ottawa . . > thanks to politicians, who are on their own agenda . . > and have fallen to the worst aspects of third World thinking: rule > without responsibility. > > You weren't elected to continue the wrong. YOU WEREN'T ELECTED TO > CONTINUE THE WRONG . . > > Thank you Pierre Trudeau for taking away our rights and substituting > a faulty charter. > > Governments CANNOT give you rights . . . it can only take them > away . > > Again, thank you Kim Bolan . > > Len Miller > Vancouver > ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #188 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)