Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, December 18 2010 Volume 14 : Number 198 In this issue: Re: CCW-Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #196 Lockousociety gunbrab armed robber stabbed, former Bomber robbed STEPHEN HARPER ON PROPERTY RIGHTS Property rights impinged RCMP officer appealing gun conviction Police bust weapons ring Rights agency has 'serious' governance issues: president Flanagan has scoop on Harper's war machine by Barbara Yaffe Re: STEPHEN HARPER ON PROPERTY RIGHTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:04:29 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: CCW-Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #196 In October 1970, when the War Measures Act was declared for a 30 day period, the entire Federal Cabinet was taken to a firing range and issued .38 special snub nosed revolvers. Then given instruction on using them and fired at targets. Pretending Canada's history started somewhere in the late 1980s is due to the revisionism of political correctness. As CCW is a part of the Criminal Code and the Administration of Justice is the Constitutional jurisdiction/responsibility of the provincial government, that is the only possible avenue for a solution. Ottawa/Montreal/Toronto/Vancouver consider the prairies to be 'red neck' hinterland and really would not care what we do or what happens to us. There are likely only a few years left to turn this thing around. The amount of violent crime and certainly the gang violence continues to grow in the West. I'm shocked at how complacent the present younger generation who grew up with this is. "The old men are dying, and the young men don't know what it is to be free."-Gabriel Dumont It's just a matter of time until the gov't. will try to regulate the internet as China does. Of course they'll cite public safety as a justification. Then the old style political repression will soon follow. On 16-Dec-10, at 6:21 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:52:28 -0500 > From: Norman Lapierre > Subject: Re: Opportunity to promote CCW > > I wish we could educate the masses by letting them know that Canada > HAD > easily obtainable CCW up to 1979. Yes, you could have gotten CCW > WITHOUT > have to bleed all over the CFO's floor. > It was such a "non-issue" back in the day, that no one remembers it > existed. > > And a very Merry Christmas to you and your family. > > Norm "Griffon" Lapierre > CanadaCarry.org > > On 2010-12-15, at 8:14 PM, Fred Hoenisch wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:47:48 -0500 >> wrote: >>> As possibly one of the foremost advocates for concealed carry in >>> Canada, I can emphatically state that you will get no >>> consideration or >>> co-operation from the CFO. The CFO's mandate is to REDUCE firearms >>> ownership among Canadian citizens. >>> >>> Following a FOI request, it was declared that Ontario with its >>> population of 13,000,000 issued 13 CCW permits in 2008. Proving that >>> the whole structure which allows for protection of life is >>> "illusory" >>> and is damn near unobtainable by the average citizen. >>> >>> The only way we will gain CCW is for the Canadian people to >>> DEMAND it >>> by MAJORITY. Only then will the bureaucrats comply. >> >> Good evening Norman: >> >> No, I'm not that naive. >> >> The suggestion to contact the CFO wasn't to garner his support for >> CCW. >> >> My first intention was to make the general public even aware that >> Canada (just like those 'scary' Americans) has CCW provisions already >> in place. >> It is one thing for a 'listener' to say it, but to have the >> Provincial >> CFO say it on the programme would be more far more convincing to >> some. >> >> Continuing on an educational angle, my second intention was to have >> the CFO explain the process of how requests are evaluated. Perhaps a >> few rational people out there might see 'through' the >> bureaucracy. Some >> might even question how a bureaucrat can determine that a small >> number >> of people need to be able to protect themselves when others cannot. >> It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. >> >> It might have backfired, but I stand behind a belief that if it gets >> people thinking and questioning things - we'll be far better off. >> >> Hope that clarifies my post. >> >> Merry Christmas, >> Fred in Saanich. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:38:16 -0800 From: vampire@istar.ca Subject: Lockousociety gunbrab They are back just like a mini f.e.m.a. THEY (www.lookousociety.ca) are trying to put me in a MHA category, so they can stream squeeze, hook some Funds out of me in some Jim Jones, Waco, Ruby Ridge, power trips...... What THEY have done so far is completely illegal, and THEY have admitted it through a source.... Problem is that the CPIC is made to auto show (pop-up) any legal CFRO CFC sports-pi**ol status, and the cops have a secret problem with non cops being sports-pi**ol owners as I have experienced in 3 years (2000-2003) of court where THEY tried an MHA stunt .....in Voire Dire Court they always say....(We Disarm Every place WE go to) as Janet In*o, Jana Bra*ley Social Worker based (Fishing Trips) from a paranoid Schizophrenic Mai*red Murr*y..............no matter how up-to-date your permits are....But I won that case, and maybe that bothers somebody irrate cop who have gotten trampled somewhere for failing to push enough legislation at ME....I see NO other Reason for the Lookout Persecussion. That means, moving the safe, with a dig into a possible small Section 28 charge and a lot of moving stuff for nothing....just more hassle for me, and court payola for them. I must throw myself into bed. Not cooking tonight. I'll have a toasted sardine sanwhich. A good standby! Always salt and pepper. Add lettuce if you want and/or mustard. Never a slice of tomatoe, although you can buy it like that. Simple is better. You can do more with the product. I got no real place to cook, anymore, my whole life was locked up illegally to wit I sent them a message which is a multiple repeat to ALL of Last Year with recent topping. They sent a relieved cop Dave Dickson to move some stuff from my room since THEY wont allow me in there, just strangers, and I declined because I dont trust excops with the chance of duplicating the key in a bout 20 minutes...then they can gut wrenchingly pillage in my private life for personal gain..... I still cant pay my escalating bills online like normal people, like I have for the last 16years because of the lack of computer access with no hardcopy because of the mail tampering, late receipts, and my passwords are encrypted in my office computer....talk about being screwed there too. BC Housing has no problem for my using an office there (as stated in the last letter fom Cliff @ BC Housing, but the Lockout is pushing legislation for Brownie Points or something giving ME excuses that some some City Kid might have said it it was not Good for ME, as if these loosers had an educated opinion of their own...they just push court legislation like all the other (cant do nothing else for a living Guvt Employees).... The world was just fine until after 1 year, the lookout changed their policies to with I was the Only Victim off....it cost ME dearly and is just a joke to them, since THEY are NOT responsible enough to provide written onus to ME, no matter how many times I ask for a consent. They seems THEY think I will barricade myself in the storage office they desacrated and ripped my artistic heart out with it all. Life is NOT that cold, but really dumb laws are, ask any Zionist Pig. THEY are trying to treat ME like a child by stuffing me out of the office I created with my own moneys, blood sweat and tears, and keeping me in a bed sized room.....not even worth a jail cell. My Art, Computer Graphics, Photography, Website, Hobby-Career has ended with the Lookout senseless Home Invasion into my Life....which is what the Lockout Society seems to be all about, making people homeless to suit THEIR vane employment purpose, nothing else..... THEY satisfy the ignorant, uninformed, no-sensical, unfounded, very fudged, GVRD City bilaws but non of the peoples rights, and all these are infringed ALL over the Charter and Bill of Rights. I would say the Locout Society has castrated me pretty good on the lockout stunt they pulled on October 26 and seem damn proud of it. Well bullocks.......... this cant be the only service THEY provide, even after all the help they got from me in showing them around the building, and disclosing some hidden rooms. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:05:12 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: armed robber stabbed, former Bomber robbed "A 22 year old-Vancouver man tried to hold up Duffin Donuts with a knife. When police arrived, they found the man, who they say was intoxicated, slumped over with a puncture wound in his abdomen. He apparently passed out on his own knife." (Maclean's Dec. 17, 2010) - ------------------------------------------------------- Obviously, Canada urgently needs mandatory safe weapon handling courses for criminals. Now which political party will rush to introduce this first? On a more serious note "...Dan, a former Winnipeg Blue Bomber, had just left the doctor's office when he felt a gun pressed against his back. Two men demanded money. He gave them $40. Then they kicked him in the groin, knocked him down, and stole the ring he had won when the Bombers beat the Hamilton Tiger-Cats in 1984." (Maclean's Dec. 17, 2010) - -------------------------------------------- The laws to disarm the law-abiding continue unabated. Violent criminals have taken note, and have successfully lobbied to have their Worker's Compensation Insurance premiums lowered. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, December 17, 2010 11:45 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: STEPHEN HARPER ON PROPERTY RIGHTS Good letter to the Star Phoenix Joe. Here are some other blasts from the past. Thanks, Dennis - --------------------- STEPHEN HARPER (PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA): You know it's been my view that property rights should be protected in our constitution. I think any document that purports to truly protect our rights should protect our property rights. SOURCE: : CBC Television - The National - DATE: 2006.12.19 STEPHEN HARPER (PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA): "It has been my view that property rights should be protected in our Constitution. I think that any document that purports to truly protect our rights should protect our property rights. That's my view and certainly our party's policy," he said. SOURCE: National Post - DATE: 2006.12.19 MP STEPHEN HARPER: "We believe the Charter of Rights should reflect the right to own property, the right not to be deprived of property without due process of law and just and timely compensation." SOURCE: CBC NEWS - Thursday, January 12, 2006 | 11:43 AM ET REMEMBER IT WAS STEPHEN HARPER, PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL CITIZEN'S COALITION that defended grain farmer David Bryan who was convicted of selling his own grain that he grew on his own land. http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/property4.htm MP STEPHEN HARPER ON PROPERTY RIGHTS - SEPTEMBER 30, 1996 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2007_new/167.htm - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sent: December-17-10 5:46 PM To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #197 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:50:19 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: my letter to the StarPhoenix [property rights] letter sent, remains unpublished I read, 'Farmers still want single desk board', The StarPhoenix, December 16, 2010. http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/Farmers+still+want+single+desk+board/3 984908/story.html?cid=megadrop_story Within the article you mention how the Harper govt. has thrown the single-double desk option to the farmers to decide. What you failed to mention is what the single option actually is. The "single desk option" is about the majority of farmers' oppressing the right of a minority of farmers from owning private property by contolling to whom they must sell their wheat. Private property consists of four essential elements: the right to buy, enjoy, control and sell ones property. Without the presence of all four elements you can't enjoy the civil right of private property. Some call the Wheat Board's process democractic, while others call it mob rule. By Harper allowing the majority of farmers within the Canadian Wheat Board to democratically dictate to whom a minority of farmers may sell their own wheat, he indirectly infringes upon their civil right to private property. In addition, one must also remember, the right to private property is a founding principle of Harper's Conservative party. Your suggestion that that "things aren't as bleak as the critics suggest" seems incorrect. The wretchedness is merely being masked, twisted, and perpetuated. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:50:32 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Property rights impinged http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/todays-paper/Property+rights+impinged/3996911/story.html Property rights impinged By Joe Gingrich, The StarPhoenix December 18, 2010 Re: Farmers still want single-desk board (SP, Dec. 16). This editorial mentions how the Harper government has thrown the dual marketing option to the farmers to decide. What you failed to mention is what the single-desk option actually is: It's about the majority of farmers oppressing the right of a minority of farmers to own private property, by controlling to whom they must sell their wheat. Private property consists of four essential elements: The right to buy, enjoy, control and sell one's property. Without the presence of all four elements, you can't enjoy the civil right of private property. Some call the wheat board's process democratic, while others call it mob rule. By Harper allowing the majority of farmers within the board to democratically dictate to whom a minority of farmers may sell their own wheat, he indirectly infringes upon their right to private property. In addition, one must also remember, the right to private property is a founding principle of Harper's Conservative party. Your suggestion that "things aren't as bleak as the critics suggest" seems incorrect. The wretchedness is merely being masked, twisted, and perpetuated. Joe Gingrich Nipawin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:14:10 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: RCMP officer appealing gun conviction http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/todays-paper/RCMP+officer+appealing+conviction/3996892/story.html RCMP officer appealing gun conviction Regina Leader-Post December 18, 2010 An RCMP sergeant is appealing his conviction on a charge under the Firearms Act. Sgt. Douglas Hugh Smith, a former Lumsden detachment commander, was given a nine-month conditional discharge last month after he was found guilty of contravening a Firearms Act regulation regarding storage. He was acquitted of a Criminal Code charge of careless storage of a firearm. In a notice of appeal filed Friday with Regina Court of Queen's Bench, Smith's lawyer Foster Weisgerber seeks an acquittal on the Firearms Act offence as well. No date for hearing the appeal has been set. As grounds for the appeal, Weisgerber contends the judge who presided at Smith's trial erred in holding his identity had been proven and in allowing the Crown to reopen its case to prove identity. During the trial, court heard that a search of Smith's Lumsden residence in July 2008 turned up a handgun in an unlocked trunk and a rifle in a closet. During his testimony, Smith, a 22-year veteran of the Mounties, said the handgun had been turned over to him by a civilian in 2004 and was supposed to be destroyed, but it just never happened. He said he normally kept the trunk locked, but had left it unlocked while rushing out to an emergency. He had owned the rifle since 1977. Provincial court Judge Marylynne Beaton had found that while Smith obtained the handgun as a peace officer, he was in the wrong to hold onto it as long as he did, including at his home -- leading to the guilty verdict. Beaton had noted that Smith ordinarily had kept the guns locked up at his various workplaces, but a change in circumstances had led to him taking the guns to his residence. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:19:33 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Police bust weapons ring http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/todays-paper/Police+bust+weapons+ring/3996882/story.html Police bust weapons ring Winnipeg Free Press December 18, 2010 Police in Manitoba have shut down an apparent cross-province weapons ring, seizing a pile of firearms and ammunition. On Friday, RCMP announced that they had seized a large number of firearms, prohibited weapons, prohibited devices, ammunition and cash after an investigation in Manitoba and Ontario. Two suspects from Dryden have been arrested. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:32:38 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Rights agency has 'serious' governance issues: president http://www.thestarphoenix.com/life/Rights+agency+serious+governance+issues+president/3996962/story.html Rights agency has 'serious' governance issues: president By Juliet O'Neill, Postmedia News December 18, 2010 While the president of the embattled Rights and Democracy agrees there was no wrongdoing found in an audit of some internal disputes and spending practices at the Montreal-based human rights agency, he says "it did reveal serious problems of governance." Gerard Latulippe's statement came the day after the government abruptly cancelled a House of Commons committee hearing at which he and agency chair Aurel Braun were to testify amid charges by New Democrat Paul Dewar that the audit was part of "a witch hunt" against the previous president and employees. "While the Deloitte report did not identify any illegalities, fraud or embezzlement during the period under review, it did reveal serious problems of governance," Latulippe said in a statement. "In fact, I must say that the Deloitte report is a vital tool that is useful to me now, and will continue to be of use. The report will enable us to save a considerable amount of money, which is nothing trivial, as well as improve some of our governance procedures." The group plunged into turmoil last year after the appointment of new board members who objected to grants given to human-rights organizations known to be critical of Israel's human-rights record. During the turmoil, then-president Remy Beauregard died of heart failure after a quarrelsome board meeting last January. The audit was ordered after interim president Jacques Gauthier expressed concerns. In an interview, Latulippe suggested governance issues included the disbursement of grants to individuals or organizations that are so small it would be uneconomical to do "due diligence" on the recipients; a donation to a United Nations agency for no specific activity; and funds spent on an office in Geneva for liaison work that would be better spent "on the ground" in order to help people whose rights are being violated. All such practices have been ended, he said. Meanwhile, Dewar said the audit -- which cost more than $250,000 -- was among a series of questionable actions, including the hiring of private investigators and public relations people that total more than $500,000 spent during inner turmoil at the government-funded agency. Latulippe said he has had no explanation or apology for the government's last-minute cancellation of a Commons hearing Thursday where the audit was to be discussed behind closed doors. The cancellation occurred within hours of some news organizations publishing the confidential audit online. It was confidential, Latulippe said, because privacy of individuals and legal concerns. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, December 18, 2010 10:04 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Flanagan has scoop on Harper's war machine by Barbara Yaffe CALGARY HERALD - DECEMBER 18, 2010 Flanagan has scoop on Harper's war machine BY BARBARA YAFFE http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Flanagan+scoop+Harper+machine/3997555/story.html Stephen Harper's former right-hand man says the prime minister has achieved his political success by running the Conservative Party like a war machine. Tom Flanagan, the University of Calgary political science professor who recently was skewered for calling for the assassination of WikiLeaks operative Julian Assange, has candidly written about the ways in which his former boss has transformed the inner workings of the governing party. In an article in the latest issue of Inroads, a public policy journal, Flanagan refers to the Conservatives as "a garrison party . . . focused on election readiness rather than policy development. "Message discipline is carefully enforced at all levels and a high level of secrecy surrounds internal deliberations. The overall atmosphere is almost military. . . " According to Flanagan, who managed two of Harper's leadership campaigns as well as the Conservatives' 2004 election campaign, "Conservative staffers and operatives almost never talk to the press." Indeed, they "risk loss of employment if they do." As a former chief of staff and policy adviser to Harper, Flanagan had an insider's view of goings-on in the party, up until 2004. His article, based on a speech he delivered to political scientists earlier this year, documents how Harper has taken control by centralizing operations under his sole command. Most Canadians know of the enormous powers vested in the office of prime minister but have far less understanding of the authority a PM may possess as a party boss. Based on Flanagan's assessment, Harper has taken his party away from its populist roots, morphing into a quintessential strongman: "This desire to exercise unhampered control over the party was also congenial to Harper's basic personality, which is dominant and controlling in all matters in which he is personally involved." Flanagan notes Harper presides over a structure that's flat rather than hierarchical. Unlike other parties, it has no regional or provincial councils and no special interest associations for youth, women or aboriginals. There are "no points of refuge in which opposition to the leadership could coalesce." The national council running the party is relegated to playing a governance rather than an executive role. It doesn't craft policy or plan election campaigns. Its members report to the national director, the chair of the Conservative Fund and the leader. Flanagan reveals that, in 2002, when Harper took command of the Canadian Alliance, he engaged in an "all-out power struggle (with that party's national council)" before engineering the ouster of then president George Richardson and installing favoured candidate Don Plett, whom he rewarded with a Senate seat. Flanagan says it was then that Harper decided he "should never again be subject to a governing council." The party's fundraising arm, the Conservative Fund, has only a handful of members, all appointed by Harper: "The reality is that the leader controls the party through the Fund." Fundraisers rely on grass-roots appeals for small donations from many donors. And so, there's no longer any "semi-independent corps of well-connected fundraisers who might exert their own influence on the structure of the campaign." Reform-style bottom-up policy-making is gone; because of minority Parliaments, parties continually must be election-ready. So, "the leader has been accorded wide latitude to develop policy for strategic purposes." Flanagan laments that election-twitchy federal politicians have come to resemble "child soldiers in a war-torn African country: All they know how to do is fire their AK-47s." Importantly for Conservatives, the military battalion under Harper's iron command has prevailed on the battlefield since 2006. Barbara Yaffe is a Vancouver Sun columnist. byaffe@vancouversun.com - -------------- INROADS http://www.inroadsjournal.ca/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:10:24 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: STEPHEN HARPER ON PROPERTY RIGHTS Re: STEPHEN HARPER ON PROPERTY RIGHTS Thanks, Dennis & Joe, for continually reminding us of how hard we must fight for our Rights. Sincerely, Eduardo On 18-Dec-10, at 7:35 AM, Dennis & Hazel Young wrote: > > Good letter to the Star Phoenix Joe. Here are some other blasts from > the > past. > > Thanks, Dennis > > --------------------- > > STEPHEN HARPER (PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA): > You know it's been my view that property rights should be protected > in our > constitution. I think any document that purports to truly protect > our rights > should protect our property rights. > SOURCE: : CBC Television - The National - DATE: 2006.12.19 >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #198 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)