Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, March 11 2011 Volume 14 : Number 313 In this issue: re: "It's Their war, Not Ours ...." Re: Aussie Shooters and Fishers Party- Digest V14 #311 Man gets jail for attacking off-duty RCMP officer March 10, 2011 'South African police lost 20,000 guns' U.S. citizen jailed for smuggling weapons into Canada RE: Since when LETTER RE: AL MUIR'S RESPONSE TO WAYNE FAULKNER Re: Eleven Charged in Weapons Investigation in "Project Lancaster" Re: Man gets jail for attacking off-duty RCMP officer Re: Gun Grabber List Letter to national post (just sent) LAPD seize 'antique' weapon and bullets from Charlie Sheen's house ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:37:12 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: re: "It's Their war, Not Ours ...." It's a good moral/political dilemma - damned if we do, damned if we don't. My bet is that there will be foreign intervention and Libyan air space declared a "no-fly zone" by the UN. Once the Libyan airforce is destroyed, the west may back off, letting the ground forces hack it out, providing limited 'humanitarian' support to the rebels, but not committing ground forces. I was serving in Germany during the Czech crisis when we 'bugged out' to our jump off positions close to the East German border. We actually thought the west was going to help the Czechs instead of watching them be crushed by the Red Army as per the Hungarian Revolution. Rear Parties were organizing dependants into convoys to the Channel Ports of Ostend and Zeebruggen.We were fueled, maps issued to Officers, but we hadn't yet received an ammo issue. That told us it was all a big show, part of the international reaction, during which there was an 'exchange of seriously worded diplomatic notes' condeming the invasion. The Hungarians I knew were bitterly disappointed, hoping that the world would actually get off it's bloated ass and do something besides talk. Where was George Bush when you needed him .....? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:00:36 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Aussie Shooters and Fishers Party- Digest V14 #311 Australia has a Shooters and Fishers Party. In a rural state (province) they are obviously effective. That they could hold a balance of power is impressive. They've learned something that Canadian shooters and fishers have yet to learn. On 10-Mar-11, at 7:35 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > THE SYDNEY MORNING HERALD - MARCH 9, 2011 > NEW SOUTH WALES: Greens MP calls for handgun ban > http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/greens-mp-calls-for-handgun- > ban-20110309-1bnp3.html > > .... > Mr Shoebridge said there was a chance the Shooters Party would have > the > balance of power in the upper house following the March 26 state > election. > "The Greens are calling now on all parties to make a commitment > that they > will not do deals with the Shooters that would increase the numbers of > firearms in our communities," he said in a statement. Comment was > being > sought from the Shooters and Fishers Party. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:10:49 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Man gets jail for attacking off-duty RCMP officer March 10, 2011 http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/gets+jail+attacking+duty+RCMP+officer/4414089/story.html Man gets jail for attacking off-duty RCMP officer By Charlene Tebbutt, For The Star Phoenix March 10, 2011 A young man who attacked an off-duty RCMP officer outside his home last year avoided time in a penitentiary, but has landed in a provincial jail instead. Provincial court Judge Stan Loewen sentenced 28-year-old Tyler James Hansen to 30 months less a day in custody on Wednesday and gave him six months credit for time already served. Hansen will serve two years less a day in jail for aggravated assault in connection with the June 20 incident in which he attacked RCMP Const. Chris Hujber outside his Prince Albert home. Loewen had found Hansen not guilty of assault against a peace officer at an earlier court date, saying he had doubts as to whether Hansen knew Hujber was a police officer at the time. Hujber was not wearing his badge or uniform. While Loewen found the attack on Hujber was "immediate and without justification," he said Hansen could change his behaviour and work to stay out of prison once his sentence is served. Hansen is still young and has taken some counselling for anger and alcohol issues, Loewen added. "I don't think you're beyond redemption," Loewen told Hansen. "But similar behaviour, I think you know what you're looking at." Hujber was assaulted when he tried to stop the driver of a van from stunting and squealing his tires in front of his home. Hujber pounded on the passenger-side window, where Hansen was sitting at the time. Hansen flew into a rage and began punching Hujber in the face even after the officer fell to the ground. Hansen jumped on top of Hujber and continued hitting him until he was pulled away by a witness. The beating left Hujber with a broken ankle and a broken nose. The incident has also affected Hujber's career as a police officer, Loewen noted. "It's very clear that the officer and his wife have suffered some emotional damage as a result of what occurred," he added. "The accused committed a very aggressive assault." Kathy Hogdson-Smith, Hansen's lawyer, said Hansen did not intend to break Hujber's ankle during the assault, adding that he voluntarily began counselling after the attack. "The fact that he's in this position is probably typical of the road to recovery," said Hogdson-Smith. Hansen also apologized for the attack in court Wednesday, saying he was sorry for everything that happened. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, March 10, 2011 1:21 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: 'South African police lost 20,000 guns' BBC NEWS - MARCH 9, 2011 'South African police lost 20,000 guns' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12689342 South Africa's police force has lost more than 20,000 firearms since 2004, a parliamentary committee has heard. MPs questioning police officials about the losses urged the force to take urgent action against officers who lose their weapons. They said they feared the guns were falling into the hands of criminals. South Africa - which has a high violent crime rate - has over the years struggled to control the number of unlicensed firearms in the country. 'Careless' The internal police report presented to members of the parliamentary police committee said the police had lost 20,429 weapons since April 2004. The police described the report as "worrying" and attributed the losses to a lack of discipline. The officials being questioned could not say how many police officers had been criminally prosecuted, disciplined or fired because of the losses - as required by law. Gary Kruser, head of the police's procurement services, said that 4,810 of those weapons had been recovered in the last seven years. The committee members said the police were being careless with government-issued guns. "I am convinced that many murders are committed with police weapons," Diane Kohler Barnard, opposition MP from the Democratic Alliance, said. Annelize van Wyk, from the ruling African National Congress (ANC), said laws seemed to be "stricter" for civilians than police officers. "The Firearms Control Act puts a huge responsibility on citizens but an official can lose one weapon, a second and a third weapon and still keep his firearm licence. But if I lose my weapon, it is another matter," South Africa's Die Burger newspaper quoted her as saying. ANC MP Sindi Chikunga said there was clearly a "laissez-faire attitude" in the police. "Because [as a policeman] I know if I lose my weapon, I will get another one," she said. It is unclear how many unlicensed weapons are circulating in South Africa. Stricter gun laws were passed in South Africa in 2004 to combat the increase in illegal firearms. The law requires people who apply for firearm licences to undergo a competency test - involving a basic training course at an accredited training institution and a background assessment by the police. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, March 10, 2011 1:30 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: U.S. citizen jailed for smuggling weapons into Canada VANCOUVERITE - MARCH 10, 2011 U.S. citizen jailed for smuggling weapons into Canada by Yehonathan Tommer http://www.vancouverite.com/2011/03/10/u-s-citizen-jailed-for-smuggling-weapons-into-canada/ On October 24, 2008, Little was arrested at the Pacific Highway border crossing after failing to declare he was carrying firearms. Following a police check a loaded 9-mm calibre handgun wrapped in a comforter and a semi-automatic .25 calibre pistol hidden inside a tool bag on the back seat of his vehicle was seized, along with a prohibited magazine cartridge for the 9-mm handgun lying on the floor of his car. Little was later charged on one count of smuggling under the Customs Act, and other Criminal Code charges relating to possession of a firearm and occupying a motor vehicle in which there was a firearm. On October 4, 2010, Little was again arrested and this time pled guilty to a second count of weapons smuggling under the Customs Act and one count of occupying a motor vehicle in which he knew there were firearms, in breach of the Criminal Code. Last Wednesday Little was sentenced by the New Westminster Provincial Court to a one-year prison term. Canadian law obliges travellers entering Canada to declare any firearms and weapons in their possession. Failure to declare them and the vehicle in which they are carried can lead to the impounding of both. In 2010, CBSA officers in the Pacific Region seized 141 firearms. Court imposed jail sentences in 101 cases amounted to 3,737 days and totalled $76,465 in criminal fines and an additional $96,457 in civil fines. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:36:19 -0600 From: Larry Neufeld Subject: RE: Since when In Canada flintlock handguns must be registered while flintlock muskets and rifles have always been exempt from Canadian regulations as far as having to register them. Larry Neufeld - -----Original Message----- since when are blackpowder fire arms not required to be registered or licenced? i thought this was only for antiques that ammo was no longer manufactured for. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, March 10, 2011 5:41 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: LETTER RE: AL MUIR'S RESPONSE TO WAYNE FAULKNER Forwarded with the permission of the author. - -----Original Message----- From: decline@pteradon.tera-byte.com Sent: March-07-11 5:43 PM To: letters@herald.ca Subject: AL MUIR RESPONDS TO WAYNE FAULKNER Dear Editor, RE Letter: AL MUIR RESPONDS TO WAYNE FAULKNER I agree with Al Muir although I am licensed. Since I already owned restricted firearms I was given no choice. The "long gun registry" issue is a red herring. Yes it would be somewhat nice to have it purged, but we know that will not happen. Who knows how many copies are out there to be put back in should a more regressive government take over in the future. Firearms owners have not objected to the "long gun registry" as such, but to the draconian licensing and privacy invasiveness of the firearms act known as C-68 which turned all of us who complied into "instant criminals." The enforcement costs alone, almost all against honest people, are astronomical. What earthly purpose is there to a system that excludes criminals and protects their "privacy" while attacking and invading the privacy of only those who by definition are law abiding citizens? We are not the "danger" to anyone. We have owned and used our sporting firearms and hunting guns responsibly for centuries. The fact remains that less than 40 years ago almost every home had firearms hanging on the wall or leaning in a corner and did not need the current "bureaucratic permission" which now turns them into "instant criminals." There was little crime, extremely few accidents, virtually no home invasions, and our streets were not shot up by "protected" drug and home invasion or rape gangs. Now that the right to self defense has been taken away through draconian laws that criminalize the honest, crime against citizens has become epidemic while victims become victimized twice by those very officials whose purpose is supposed to be to "protect." We all know that when seconds count, help is only minutes, or in many rural areas, hours away. Since the then opposition government promised in 2002 to "REPEAL C-68" then in 2005 changed it to "Repeal the Liberal's gun laws" and now has morphed it into "kill the long gun registry" who are we to trust? The present government has promised to keep the most dangerous, invasive and demeaning parts of the law, which are the draconian licensing system, the ridiculous "safe storage" laws, and the criminalization for "paper mistakes." We must assume that their intent to keep us as "criminals" is the same as the Liberals. As strong Conservative supporters we find that hard to accept. As another writer recently said, we are just one little paper mistake from serious jail time, and still are not allowed to defend our homes, families and property. Perhaps, if the new proposed Bill C-60 passes in a manner that makes sense, we can breathe a little easier once again. But please, do not count on it, unless and until C-68 is given the quick execution and burial it so richly deserves. Don Klein, Secretary Valley Rifle Club Bon Accord, Alberta - -------------- HALIFAX CHRONICLE HERALD - MARCH 6, 2011 LETTER: MP's message clear http://thechronicleherald.ca/Letters/1231639.html AL MUIR RESPONDS TO WAYNE FAULKNER - -----Original Message----- From: Al Muir [mailto:allistermuir@eastlink.ca] Sent: March-07-11 4:19 PM Subject: Letter to Halifax Chronicle Herald and letter responded to Letter to the editor It is not surprising that Wayne Faulkner ( March 6 letter, MP's message clear) is confused regarding Canada's current firearms law. The federal Conservative's continuing attempts to spin the implementation and ongoing cost overruns and criminalization elements of the Firearms Act onto what they call "the long gun registry" have had the desired effect, in many cases. They are attempting to mislead the public away from a debate on the real issues surrounding the Firearms Act. It is their opinion that offering crumbs to supporters in rural riding's will allow them to continue to increase support they now lack in the country's main urban areas. Paralyzed by fear of what the opposition may visit on them in future, the organizations that purport to represent gun owner/ taxpayer interests are now in lock step with the Conservatives. As the Canadian Unlicensed Firearms Owners Association does not endorse the position of any of the federal parties we are free to concentrate on the issue of real importance. The criminalization of mere firearm possession that was instituted by the Liberal's Firearms Act, that would remain if Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner's Bill C-391 had passed. Any political solution that does not take this factor into consideration is not a solution, it is an abdication of responsible governance. Mr. Faulkner may not understand the implications of Bill C-391 but Nova Scotia's approximately 100,000 unlicensed long gun owners, most assuredly, need to. Al Muir, Stellarton Spokesman, Canadian Unlicensed Firearms Owners Association CONTACT THE CHRONICLE HERALD http://thechronicleherald.ca/services/contactus.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:10:55 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Eleven Charged in Weapons Investigation in "Project Lancaster" "a stun phone" anybody know what a stun phone is ???ed/on [Mod note: It is probably a taser disguised to look like a phone] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: "Firearms Digest" Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:46 AM Subject: Eleven Charged in Weapons Investigation in "Project Lancaster" > CFRA NEWS TALK RADIO - MARCH 10, 2011 > Eleven Charged in Weapons Investigation By Josh Pringle > http://www.cfra.com/?cat=1&nid=78383 > > Eleven people are facing charges after an investigation into illegal > weapons trafficking in the Ottawa-area. > > Ontario Provincial Police executed 10 search warrants at residences and > businesses in Ottawa on Wednesday, seizing two handguns, drugs, a stun > phone > and brass knuckles. A total of nine handguns have been seized through the > course of the investigation. Police say "Project Lancaster" was launched > in > the spring of 2009 into the illegal gun trade in the Ottawa-area. > > The OPP says as a result of increased violence and the presence of > firearms > in the Ottawa area, the Ottawa Police Guns and Gangs Unit and the OPP > launched a joint forces investigation that focused on criminal activities > and their associates. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:13:47 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Man gets jail for attacking off-duty RCMP officer He was sorry ?/ ya right because he got caught ..ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gingrich" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:10 PM Subject: Man gets jail for attacking off-duty RCMP officer March 10, 2011 > http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/gets+jail+attacking+duty+RCMP+officer/4414089/story.html > > Man gets jail for attacking off-duty RCMP officer > > By Charlene Tebbutt, For The Star Phoenix > > March 10, 2011 > > A young man who attacked an off-duty RCMP officer outside his home last > year avoided time in a penitentiary, but has landed in a provincial jail > instead. > > Provincial court Judge Stan Loewen sentenced 28-year-old Tyler James > Hansen > to 30 months less a day in custody on Wednesday and gave him six months > credit for time already served. > > Hansen will serve two years less a day in jail for aggravated assault in > connection with the June 20 incident in which he attacked RCMP Const. > Chris > Hujber outside his Prince Albert home. > > Loewen had found Hansen not guilty of assault against a peace officer at > an > earlier court date, saying he had doubts as to whether Hansen knew Hujber > was a police officer at the time. Hujber was not wearing his badge or > uniform. > > While Loewen found the attack on Hujber was "immediate and without > justification," he said Hansen could change his behaviour and work to stay > out of prison once his sentence is served. Hansen is still young and has > taken some counselling for anger and alcohol issues, Loewen added. > > "I don't think you're beyond redemption," Loewen told Hansen. "But similar > behaviour, I think you know what you're looking at." > > Hujber was assaulted when he tried to stop the driver of a van from > stunting > and squealing his tires in front of his home. Hujber pounded on the > passenger-side window, where Hansen was sitting at the time. > > Hansen flew into a rage and began punching Hujber in the face even after > the > officer fell to the ground. Hansen jumped on top of Hujber and continued > hitting him until he was pulled away by a witness. > > The beating left Hujber with a broken ankle and a broken nose. The > incident > has also affected Hujber's career as a police officer, Loewen noted. > > "It's very clear that the officer and his wife have suffered some > emotional > damage as a result of what occurred," he added. > > "The accused committed a very aggressive assault." > > Kathy Hogdson-Smith, Hansen's lawyer, said Hansen did not intend to break > Hujber's ankle during the assault, adding that he voluntarily began > counselling after the attack. > > "The fact that he's in this position is probably typical of the road to > recovery," said Hogdson-Smith. > > Hansen also apologized for the attack in court Wednesday, saying he was > sorry for everything that happened. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:53:18 -0800 From: R. LaCasse Subject: Re: Gun Grabber List On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:46:35 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:59:13 -0700 |>From: Rocky7 |>Subject: Gun Grabber List |> |>> Subject: Wendy alleged complete list of supporters I compiled in 2004 |>> |>> This list I assembled on Wendy`s alleged supports which though its a |>> long list I seriously doubt 10% even know what the hell she is. Anyone |>> know who has the time/money to look into this as it should be. This |>> should have occurred 15 years ago but better late etc. I would surmise from our point of view, with all the investigative we have done into her little fascist agenda, most people would view her as a demon after reading all the derogatory bull roar she perpetuates about licensed guns and owners. |>Not only that, but if you look into it, you'll see that a lot of the |>NGO's are alter egos for the Coalition or share board members etc. |>You'll also find the same financial supporters. Multiple connections to |>the U.N. It's the same people replicating themselves over and over to |>create the appearance of a groundswell. They seem to think they are organized, even with their tax right-off anti-gun projects, some are so wealthy, they are almost for real, although I doubt if Carlos Slim gives a damn about that game anymore, even with Noriego liking his boots. |>They have organized globally. Kookier was one of the founding |>personalities of IANSA, which combined the efforts of over 700 NGO's, |>worldwide. Soros is one of their major funders. He likes the business |>of creating societies in his own image. All that is supported by hordes |>of well-intended, but misinformed, liberal bobble-heads. This U.N. |>movement to control ammunition, print tiny serial numbers on ammo, ban |>lead in bullets, and other pea-brained ideas, is coming from the same |>people and is intended to confiscate guns by making them too expensive |>to own or use. Most of their suggested proposals, would usually put them in a mental hospital for being so weird, especially when criminals would be the only profiteer as they don't give a damn about all the implications Iansa's have put forth to the sane public. |>As for the po-lice, they are directed by a few national groups with |>political ambitions, who don't appear to think beyond their instinct for |>more power, status, authority and money. They'll never change, anymore than the military or hells angels.. |>It's an incestuous list of educated liberal bigots and wannabe tyrants. |>They are highly organized, determined and funded. Funded by their zeal for gunrunning and drug confiscation/peddling concerns. |>On our side, we have the Italian Stallion at the CSSA and Breitkreuz; |>all "supported" by gun owners who, for the most part, don't want to |>offend anybody. So far, we've been easy pickings and were it not for a |>few like Breitkreuz, the dust would have already settled. |> Then there's the list of martyrs, like Carlos, Ward, Lemieux, Kearns, Hunter, Weaver, you and I, to mention a few..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:39:16 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Letter to national post (just sent) We don't need guns in our homes ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, Letter writer Ron Charach has decided not to own firearms, but he takes it a step further when he proclaims against "home ownership" of firearms for all Canadians. Fortunately, Dr. Charach's opinion is not binding, and a tradition which extends back to the Magna Carta will be continued by those who will take responsibility for their own safety. As George Orwell famously said; "That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there". And so we shall. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:48:00 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: LAPD seize 'antique' weapon and bullets from Charlie Sheen's house http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/cooking_up_trouble_mn2RPUqhUu7STMdLGcGSEN LAPD seize "antique" weapon and bullets from Charlie Sheen's house By ANITA BENNETT in LA and DON KAPLAN in NY March 11, 2011 Maybe Charlie Sheen is auditioning for "Law & Order." The self-described "Messiah of Malibu" yesterday hosted a visit from gun-hunting cops, struck a child-custody deal with his estranged wife, filed a $100 million lawsuit against Warner Brothers and his ex-producer -- not to mention appearing on a mock cooking show. Detectives descended on his mansion -- followed by a wave of media in trucks, vans and helicopters -- to confiscate his guns. They seized an "antique" weapon and bullets of a different caliber, according to his lawyer, Mark Gross, who said his client was not detained. An LAPD spokeswoman said: "It came to our attention he does have firearms that are registered in his name, and part of his restraining order states he cannot be in possession of any firearms and ammunition." But the order was lifted after Mueller and Sheen reached an agreement, according to a joint statement by their lawyers. "The LAPD were AWESOME. Absolute pros! they can protect and serve this Warlock anytime!!!" the troubled Sheen wrote to his 2.5 million Twitter followers after the cops left. Adding to the weirdness, Gross claimed someone -- not Mueller -- phoned in a false report to cops that Sheen was a danger to himself. The TV train wreck had earlier appeared in a bizarre cooking-show parody on the "Funny or Die" Web site, pretending to prepare a meaty meal while wearing a tiger-striped chef hat and an apron bearing the words "Winning Recipes." "I am living the life of a rock-star Vatican assassin," Sheen said. He also slapped Warner Bros. and his former boss, Chuck Lorre, with a $100 million suit and bizarrely claimed to be acting on behalf of the "Two and a Half Men" cast and crew. "Chuck Lorre, one of the richest men in television who is worth hundreds of millions of dollars . . . [took] money away from the dedicated cast and crew of the popular television series 'Two and a Half Men' in order to serve his own ego and self-interest, and make the star of the series the scapegoat for Lorre's own conduct," the lawsuit claims. Lorre's lawyer, Howard Weitzman, told TMZ.com the suit is a "fantasy 'lottery' payday" for Sheen. Additional reporting by David K. 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