Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, October 10 2011 Volume 14 : Number 706 In this issue: "North Vancouver R.C.M.P. warn public to watch for bears" Re: "Nurses can spot future killers at only three years old" Re: locks preventing suicide? Digest V14 #704 "740,000 New Lies" - The Blue Press, November 2011 union also paid for lawn signs in Miramichi "200 suicide bombers planning attack on U.K." Telegraph American freedom being eroded by Kevin Brooker Tory MP who shot holes though Liberal long-gun registry reloads ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:38:41 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "North Vancouver R.C.M.P. warn public to watch for bears" http://www.630ched.com/Channels/LocalNews/Vancouver/Story.aspx?ID=1552503 "North Vancouver R.C.M.P. warn public to watch for bears NORTH VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980) Laura Baziuk | Email news tips to laura.baziuk@corusent.com 10/7/2011 Police are warning North Vancouver residents to watch out for bears, now that fall is in full swing. The R.C.M.P. says they have received several calls recently of bears appearing in people's backyards, growling at doors, and causing damage. That's because it's time for the animals to start fattening up for winter. The R.C.M.P. reminds residents to keep garbage inside, pick any fruit from trees and remove bird feeders to keep bears away. If you come face to face with a bear that appears threatening, police say to remain calm and call B.C.'s conservation office." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reducing populations of predatory bears isn't listed. Instead get rid of your bird feeders and fruit tree produce because it's your fault if they invade your yard, growl at your door and damage your property. Nothing about reducing overpopulation of bears. No even recommending safety equipment like bear spray or firearms. If confronted by a threatening bear, remain calm(say the guys with guns), phone the conservation office and leave a voice mail. "Hold it there Mr. Ursus, don't move while I make a call on my cell phone so the conservation office can have a recording of me getting mauled and eaten." And they wonder why police don't get the same respect as they used to. Are there no citizens in North Vancouver who care more about human life than that of bears? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:39:57 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: "Nurses can spot future killers at only three years old" This would implicate poor quality mothering as a major contributory cause. The MSM here aren't likely to give this any publicity. The view that violence is a "disease" is an attempt to medicalize everything and spurious. Here in the prairies we are told that fetal alcohols syndrome leads to much of the criminal violence later in life. The subgroup of alcoholic mothers largely live on government subsidy which pays them based on the number of children they produce. Along this reasoning, we should conclude that bad government policy is a disease. :) On 9-Oct-11, at 12:06 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Sun, October 9, 2011 9:39 am > From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" > Subject: Nurses can spot future killers at only three years old > > IRISH INDEPENDENT - OCTOBER 8, 2011 > Nurses can spot future killers at only three years old > By Eilish O'Regan Health Correspondent > http://www.independent.ie/national-news/nurses-can-spot-future- > killers-at-only-three-years-old-2900143.html > > ROBBERS, rapists and murderers of the future can be identified > before they > reach their third birthday, a world expert on crime and violence > told a > conference yesterday. George Hosking, a clinical criminologist in > the UK, > who spent nine years researching violence, said research showed > that nurses > could predict future criminal tendences 18 years in advance. "The > single > most effective way to stop crime and violence is to ensure that > infants are > reared in a way that fosters good mental health and wellbeing. The > surest > way to do this is to support parents, carers and families," he added. > > He was speaking at the first Irish forum on infant mental health > organised > by Youngballymun, a prevention and early intervention programme > based in the > disadvantaged Dublin suburb of Ballymun. http://www.youngballymun.org/ > Referring to the research, he said a major study carried out over > 20 years > in New Zealand showed health workers could predict those who were > likely to > be the criminals of the future. > > Aggressive > > "Boy toddlers who were observed to be at risk by their aggressive or > negative behaviour, were nearly five times more likely at age 21 to > have > abused their partners -- 47pc compared to 9.5pc of others. They > were also > two and a half times more likely to have a criminal conviction, > with 55pc of > their offences being violent, compared with 18pc of others." > > "While fewer of the at-risk girls were involved in antisocial > behaviour, of > those who were, 30pc had teenage pregnancies and 43pc of them were in > violent or abusive relationships by the time they were 21 years," > he told > the gathering. The findings of this Dunedin New Zealand study has been > backed up by others in the USA and the UK. "It's madness that > policy makers > aren't focusing state investment in the first three years of life. > We know > that violence is a preventable disease. While it is one that is > difficult to > cure, prevention is really simple. Children who are loved and who > receive > fair, firm discipline do not become violent teenagers or adults. > Children > who are not treated well are more likely to become involved in crime, > violent behaviour or abuse." > > Infants in loveless or abusive homes will have their emotions hard- > wired in > the first 18 months of life. At birth, a baby's brain has 50 trillion > synapses, or connections which are formed by early experiences. By > three, > that has increased to 1,000 trillion. > > - - Eilish O'Regan Health Correspondent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:08:07 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: locks preventing suicide? Digest V14 #704 How is having a trigger lock on a firearm, according to this "Doctor" going to prevent the person with the key from accessing the firearm whenever they want? You have a locked automobile. You have a set of keys. How would that prevent you from using that automobile to asphyxiate yourself? You have a locked automobile. You have a set of keys. If your spouse or children decide they want to "steal" the car, what is to prevent them from "stealing" your keys...say when you're asleep or have changed your clothes, or are taking a shower? If unlocked firearms were a cause of homicide and suicide, then rural Canada would have never survived either the 19th nor the 20th Century. On 9-Oct-11, at 11:56 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > > Date: Sat, October 8, 2011 9:56 am > From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" > Subject: Store Firearms and Ammo Separately, Sask. Assc. for Firearm > > Education > Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Precedence: normal > Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > > Saskatoonhomepage.ca - October 7, 2011 > Store Firearms and Ammo Separately > http://www.saskatoonhomepage.ca/index.php? > option om_content&taskview&id5556&ItemidB1 > > The General Manager of the Saskatchewan Association for Firearm > Education > says 80 per cent of all firearm accidents happen within ten metres > of the > muzzle. Hunting season is upon us and the Canada Safety Council is > urging > residents, in homes where firearms are present, to ensure the guns are > unloaded and locked up when they are not in use. > > According to an emergency physician there are plenty of gun related > injuries > and deaths seen in emergency rooms. Those are often the result of > domestic > disputes, or self inflicted. Dr. Alan Drummond says because those > are often > impulsive acts a locked up firearm, with ammunition stored in a > separate > place, will make the rifle less readily available. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, October 9, 2011 10:49 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: "740,000 New Lies" - The Blue Press, November 2011 740,000 New Lies 740,000 PEOPLE DIE, EACH YEAR, FROM “ARMED VIOLENCE” – THE 2008 GBAV REPORT by Paul Gallant, Alan Chwick, & Joanne D. Eisen http://gallanteisen.incnf.org/740_000%20New_Lies-%5bBP112011%5d.pdf It is often difficult to identify how the firearm-prohibitionists lie, because sometimes the lies are subtle, and are often camouflaged to appear to benefit the public welfare. But sometimes, their lies are easily spotted. In an attempt to frighten the world’s States into signing onto an Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), a report entitled The Global Burden of Armed Violence (or GBAV*) was published in 2008. The anti-gun media latched onto the figure the GBAV authors conjured up—740,000 global deaths per year from “armed violence”—and ran with it. The report was intended to exaggerate the deaths associated with weapons, and create public hysteria. The scam was easy to see—if only one would actually read the report. GBAV gave the world a new factoid: 740,000 people die, each year, from “armed violence.” Almost without exception, the media publicized this figure, juxtaposed with photos of firearms. The inclusion of the photos of firearms, rather than tanks and/or artillery, helped ensure that the blame for those 740,000 deaths would be placed on civilian gun owners. Early on in the GBAV report, one can see a gross distortion of the facts, simply through the inclusion of a category called “Indirect Conflict Deaths.” It is the title of Chapter 2. The number of indirect conflict deaths claimed by GBAV was 200,000. Its authors admit that none of these deaths meet the definition of armed violence, stating “These indirect victims of war do not die violently” (emphasis ours). Yes, 200,000 fake numbers were added into the total of 740,000 violent deaths—27 percent!—and uncritically accepted as gospel by the media and anti-gun groups. We’re not making this up: we lack both the imagination and dishonesty to create such an outrageous lie. We believe that the GBAV authors knew they were lying, and that they didn’t expect anyone to read or criticize their report. A prime example of indirect conflict deaths occurred in Sri Lanka, formerly Ceylon. In 2009, the Tamil Tigers were soundly defeated by the army of Sri Lanka, after a 30-year-long rebellion. The Government of Sri Lanka then trapped non-combatant civilians in “containment camps,” and denied them life-sustaining necessities. The British media reported that thousands were dying from lack of food, water and medicine, but the Government of Sri Lanka denied mistreating the civilians. The UN finally admitted knowledge of these 40,000 non-violent deaths. Chapter 4 of GBAV describes 490,000 deaths from “non-conflict armed violence”—that is, intentional homicide. When we repeatedly asked GBAV and UN personnel for the data they used so we could check the math, they refused our requests. This non-scientific and evasive behavior raised a lot of red flags. But you don’t need sophisticated data analysis to recognize the use of smoke-and-mirrors. The GBAV authors barely mentioned the significant number of violent deaths perpetrated by government against civilians. For example, in Kenya, it has been reported that up to 90 percent of homicides are committed by Kenyan police. The GBAV authors also glossed over the vast number of murders due to a nearly global drug war, yet included them as part of the 740,000 total. While technically accurate, this category of violence will never be controlled by the Arms Trade Treaty, and should be treated separately as a public policy issue. Its inclusion here is used only to intensify fear of civilian owners of firearms. We know that the stronger the “war on drugs,” the greater the violence. Anti-gun criminologist Alfred Blumstein scientifically described “excess murders” as the increase in the number of homicides resulting from the increasingly vigorous enforcement of drug laws. Examples abound. In Mexico, when President Felipe Calderon took office in 2006, he “made combating the drug cartels a top priority.” CNN.Com reported that “An unprecedented wave of violence has washed over Mexico since Calderon declared war on drug cartels shortly after coming into office in December 2006.” In Colombia, in Medellín alone, there were 2,899 murders in the year 2009, “directly attributable to” the drug war, according to law enforcement authorities. The war on drugs stimulates the growth and violence of the black market on drugs. The danger exists that the effective implementation of the Arms Trade Treaty could act similarly as a “war on weapons,” strengthening the black market in weapons, and increasing global violence. Although the reduction of violence is the promise of the ATT’s proponents, they should know that it is a false promise. Their true goal is weapons reduction, regardless of the cost. They lie in order to achieve this, and we should consider those lies as an attack. Whatever protections our Second Amendment might provide us, we still need to know our enemies. A good place to start is by visiting some of the prominent anti-gun websites, such as www.SmallArmsSurvey.Org, www.ControlArms.Org, www.GenevaDeclaration.Org, and www.IANSA.Org (International Action Network on Small Arms). It may be difficult to identify their lies, so a good rule of thumb to keep in mind is that the weapons-prohibitionists always exaggerate the costs, and minimize the benefits to society of civilian-held arms. * FULL GBAV REPORT AVAILABLE AT: http://www.GenevaDeclaration.Org/fileadmin/docs/Global-Burden-of-Armed-Violence-full-report.pdf FOR A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION OF THE GBAV REPORT SEE: David B. Kopel, Paul Gallant & Joanne D. Eisen, “How Many Global Deaths from Arms? Reasons to Question the 740,000 Factoid being used to Promote the Arms Trade Treaty,” 5 NYU J. Law & Liberty 672 (Number 3), AVAILABLE AT: http://www.law.nyu.edu/ecm_dlv3/groups/public/@nyu_law_website__journals__journal_of_law_and_liberty/documents/documents/ecm_pro_068094.pdf ========================================================================== The authors wish to thank Dillon Precision Products, The Blue Press, for permission to reprint & distribute the following article. Please redistribute this article, far and wide, and to friends & family, and please credit The Blue Press with its publication. Your help is greatly appreciated. Reference: Dillon Precision Products, 800-762-3845, www.DillonPrecision.com/ The Blue Press, November 2011, Issue 233, Pg 48-49; Reprint: "740,000 New Lies" Available at: http://gallanteisen.incnf.org/740_000%20New_Lies-[BP112011].pdf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 01:21:33 -0600 From: "Barry Snow" Subject: union also paid for lawn signs in Miramichi If you think about it for a minute, don't the NDP want to eliminate the short gun, machine gun and all semi autos and pumps registry? How would banning these firearms benefit the workers in Miramichi? Just sayin' Barry Date: Sun, October 9, 2011 9:13 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: The union also paid for lawn signs in Miramichi "Anyone but Tilly" OTTAWA CITIZEN - OCTOBER 9, 2011 Unions spent $400,000 on ads before federal vote By Glen McGregor, Postmedia News http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Unions+spent+before+federal+vote/5524216/story.html Newly released financial reports show unions spent more than $400,000 on political ads during the spring federal election campaign. The dollar total emerges as the federal NDP faces questions about money it received from labour unions for convention advertising. Reports filed with Elections Canada show public-sector and trade unions funded third-party ad buys in newspapers, websites and on radio across the country leading up to voting day on May 2. Most of the union-funded ads were non-partisan on their face, but opposition parties were the likely beneficiaries of campaigns that questioned the wisdom of cutting public service jobs - as advocated by the Conservatives. Among the biggest advertisers was the Public Service Alliance of Canada, which spent $134,000, mostly on a radio blitz the day before Canadians went to the polls. In the week before voting day, the alliance launched radio ads encouraging Canadians to vote in support of the public service, with spots heard on radio stations in Ottawa, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Saskatoon and elsewhere. The union also paid for lawn signs in Miramichi, N.B., encouraging voting for "Anyone but Tilly" - a reference to local Conservative MP Tilly O'Neill-Gordon. The Public Service Alliance of Canada targeted the riding because of fears that unionized employees who work on the federal gun registry would be laid off. O'Neill-Gordon was re-elected, despite the union's efforts. The Professional Institute of the Public Service spent $166,000, much of it on promoting a debate it hosted at the University of Ottawa that saw federal candidates discussing the future of the public service. The union also paid to set up forthepublicgood.ca, a website highlighting the value of the public service. The Canadian Union of Public Employees, the Canadian Auto Workers union, the B.C. Teachers Federation and the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada also reported third-party advertising during the campaign. The new figures come as Elections Canada is looking into a complaint that the NDP accepted thousands of dollars from unions for advertising at the party's national convention in June. The Conservatives allege the ads were a scheme to skate around the law that forbids corporations and unions from making donations to political parties. The NDP says the ads were sold at fair-market value and were entirely legal. Unions also indirectly funded third-party ads by giving to advocacy groups, such as Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada, which received $5,000 from each of the Public Service Alliance of Canada and the Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions. Les Sans-Chemise, which represents a coalition of labour groups, received $34,000 from Quebec trade unions for radio ads, placards and signage. And the Canadian Health Coalition, a union-funded organization that advocates for publicly funded health care, spent $33,000 on printing and postage for flyers. Third parties are limited by Elections Canada to spending $188,250 nationally and $3,765 for ads in each riding that promote or oppose a candidate. Although the Harper government lowered the limit on contributions to federal parties to $1,100 per person, there is no limit on contributions made to third parties to fund their ads. The third-party reports show the conservative advocacy group National Citizens Coalition took in $168,960 to fund its advertising purchases, with 12 donors giving amounts greater than the $1,100 cap that would restrict them had they made donations to political parties. The coalition received four donations of $10,000 each, including one from Robert Colborne, president of Pacific Western Transportation in Calgary, and another from Bruce Orr of Vancouver's Intercity Realty. During a hiatus from serving as an MP, Prime Minister Stephen Harper worked as the National Citizens Coalition director and led its court challenge against the third-party spending restrictions. His group lost before the Supreme Court in a case styled - to opposition parties' continued delight - as Harper v. Canada. Ottawa Citizen . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 01:48:09 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "200 suicide bombers planning attack on U.K." Telegraph We're still at the early stages in this renewal of the Clash of Civilizations. It will take 20 to 30 years before it's at it's peak. This 2012 Olympic threat reminds me of the attacks in 1973 in Munich. If such happens again, only now in the U.K. they'll remember the old quotes from Sir Winston Churchill. Their heritage, once renewed is superior to primitive, 7th Century tribalism. Great Britain has fought long wars before. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8815574/200-suicide-bombers-planning-attacks-in-UK.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 10, 2011 8:26 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: American freedom being eroded by Kevin Brooker CALGARY HERALD - OCTOBER 10, 2011 American freedom being eroded by Kevin Brooker http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/canada-in-afghanistan/American+freedom+being+eroded/5526943/story.html One of the original tropes of the war on terror was that jihadists attacked the West because they were "jealous of our freedom." Tragically, at the rate the U.S. is erasing its own constitutional guarantees of liberty, there soon won't be much left to be jealous about. The latest travesty of justice is the Sept. 30 killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, who apparently was targeted on a Yemen highway by both drone and conventional air attacks. This is not a new phenomenon, of course. For at least several years now, the U.S. military has been dropping bombs on whomever it dislikes in six countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya. As heinous as that is with regard to anything resembling due process on an international scale, however, this is the first time that an American-born citizen has been thus targeted. It therefore makes President Barack Obama, who specifically campaigned against George W. Bush's expansive abuse of executive power, worse than his predecessor. Honestly, what could possibly be more dastardly than the notion that any human being on Earth can be named in secret proceedings, then summarily murdered? Last week, more details emerged about the process by which U.S. officials committed this act, and why they don't seem to care that it flies in the face of every judicial tradition since the Magna Carta. According to a Reuters report, this is how it apparently works: A committee of mid-level appointees of the National Security Council - with their anonymity guaranteed - draws up a list of people whom it recommends that U.S. agents "kill or capture." Then it goes to cabinet officials and senior members of intelligence agencies, and ultimately to the president, who some officials say holds veto power. Of critical importance is the fact that none of these procedures is available for review by anyone outside government. It boils down to: "He's bad because we say so and therefore we are going to kill him." And, like Bush before them, Obama and his minions claim that this process somehow conforms to international law because it is in the service of a country defending itself. As dangerous as these precedents are, what's even more disturbing is how silent Americans have become on the subject. So great is the pressure to appear patriotic that few voices in government or media are willing to demand of the executive why it is necessary to upend every principle of a fair and open trial. Worse yet, the subject is being ludicrously politicized. The Reuters article had this to say: "Liberals criticized the drone attack on an American citizen as extra-judicial murder." Really? Just liberals? Then I guess that label now applies to 12-term Congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. He is the only elected official I'm aware of who called this exactly what it is: assassination. "We have crossed that barrier from republic to dictatorship, to tyranny to empire," he told a group of journalists in Texas last week. By blatantly abrogating the Fifth Amendment, he added, Obama has committed a clear-cut impeachable offence. Paul then asked the journalists point-blank: "Can you imagine being put on a list because you're a threat? What's going to happen when they come to the media? What if the media becomes a threat? Or a professor becomes a threat?" And this is the essence of the peril. When secretive panels can order your detention without habeas corpus, or kill you at will, every vestige of living in a free society has been destroyed. You can tell yourself all you want that, "Well, I'm not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about." But absent the rule of law, you have no idea what you have to worry about. Merely read any account of the Stalin years in the Soviet Union to find out what sort of people may be considered threats by a despotic state. Kevin Brooker's column appears every second Monday. http://www.calgaryherald.com/columnists/Kevin_Brooker.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 10, 2011 8:32 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Tory MP who shot holes though Liberal long-gun registry reloads GLOBE AND MAIL - OCTOBER 10, 2011 Tory MP who shot holes though Liberal long-gun registry reloads By JANE TABER - From Monday's Globe and Mail - Posted on Sunday, October 9, 2011 9:15PM EDT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tory-mp-who-shot-holes-though-liberal-long-gun-registry-reloads/article2196270/ Candice Hoeppner slays Liberal politicians for a living. The second-term MP from Manitoba is the unlikely face of the Harper Conservatives efforts to kill the long-gun registry and in her own small way she has helped deal a near-fatal blow to the Liberal Party of Canada. For that she was rewarded by Prime Minister Stephen Harper when he appointed her parliamentary secretary to the Public Safety Minister just after the May election. It means shes not finished with the registry yet. The government bill to scrap it is expected to be introduced soon in the Commons, fulfilling a long-held Conservative promise to repeal the law if and when the party won a majority government. It will be Ms. Hoeppners job now to see it through to its death. She can hardly wait. Its going to be something else to see the bill introduced and to know were finally going to be able to pass it, she said in an interview. Two years ago, as a rookie MP, she made a name for herself by bringing in a private members bill to scrap the registry. Although, she didnt own a gun or shoot one, she represented a rural riding and embraced the concerns of her constituents that it was bad policy. Her bill almost got through. And so the death of the registry, expected later this year, will be a defining moment for the Conservatives, who for more than a decade railed against the Liberal law they argued was wildly expensive and made criminals out of law-abiding farmer and hunters. For the Liberals, it will be equally defining. Drafted in the aftermath of the 1989 massacre of women at Montreals cole Polytechnique and introduced by the Chrtien government in 1995, it became a powerful symbol for the Liberals. It was their tough-on-crime stance and a law that attempted to give voice to the victims. But it came at a cost: divisive and emotional, it pitted rural members against their urban colleagues and had already cost some Liberals their seats in previous elections. Last September, however, Liberals thought they had it licked when MPs voted by the narrowest of margins to continue the registry. But what they didnt expect was the Hoeppner factor: She doesnt give up. My theory was, okay, we lost this battle, but Im going to make sure, and were going to do everything we can, so that we dont lose the war on it, she said. I guess, make something positive out of what was at that point a negative, which was losing the vote. She wrote letters, she made speeches, she went to rallies across the country, attracting more than 350 hunters and fishermen at one in Nova Scotia. The Tories knew how difficult a battle it had been for the Liberals and that they were vulnerable. Then Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff had forced his caucus, including eight of his members in rural ridings who had first supported her bill, to vote against it in the next stage, thus supporting the registrys survival. Although it meant a win at the time for Mr. Ignatieff, it also meant potential death at the polls for several of his MPs. For Ms. Hoeppner, however, it led to her redoubling efforts to kill the registry. During the spring election campaign she went into some of those Liberal ridings, where the MPs had switched their vote. She campaigned against North Bay Liberal MP Anthony Rota, making a swing through northern Ontario . She went up to the Yukon to target Larry Bagnell, who had also switched his vote. Her rallying cry was simple: Once we lost the vote ... then the focus became ... how do we win our majority? And that was always my message: If you want the long-gun registry ended you need to elect a Conservative member of Parliament. They are the only ones you can count on. Her plan worked. Mr. Rota, Mr. Bagnell, Todd Russell, a Newfoundland and Labrador Liberal MP, who had also switched his vote, and even the Liberal face of the registrys survival, the Public Safety critic, Mark Holland, went down to defeat. It played a role. It did, she argues. Both Mr. Bagnell and Mr. Rota admit that it contributed to their loss that, and the NDP surge. The Liberals lost 43 seats in the election and their official opposition status. Ms. Hoeppner believes the registry debate became more than just a discussion about registering long guns. It was about the credibility of politicians. This wasnt just some ambiguous issue that maybe these people had never spoken on before. This was a very important issue ... they had a lot at stake, she said. So winning the majority and seeing us win those seats was very gratifying. - --------------------------------------- OPEN LETTER TO PRIME MINISTER PAUL MARTIN - JANUARY 2, 2004 THE WHOLE FIREARMS ACT HAS TO GO NOT JUST THE GUN REGISTRY http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article217.htm ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #706 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)