Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, October 10 2011 Volume 14 : Number 707 In this issue: TORONTO SUN: Calls for lawmakers to target guns; police ... Canada’s forthcoming surveillance bill and how to rein it in Re: "200 suicide bombers planning attack on U.K." Telegraph Wildlife trapping: Strong feelings for and against The Fernie Rod and Gun Club's three new youth hunting trophies "Man beaten, robbed while trying to prevent original ... Global gun control report relied on deceptive statistics Wasn't that the reason? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, October 10, 2011 8:40 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: TORONTO SUN: Calls for lawmakers to target guns; police ... ... gun raids without a warrant TORONTO SUN - OCTOBER 10, 2011 Calls for lawmakers to target guns BY JENNY YUEN, TORONTO SUN - 130 Comments http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/09/calls-for-lawmakers-to-target-guns Families of young murder victims are calling for tougher laws to deal with gun violence. And at least one mom of a murdered man insisted that police need to work harder to solve killings. Family members gathered outside a Regent Park apartment building Sunday afternoon to remember seven murder victims who were all killed in shootings which took place in past years during the month of October. They're demanding changes in legislation at both the federal and provincial level to allow for police gun raids without a warrant. Kemi Omololu-Olunloyo, co-organizer of the Crime Advocacy Media Tour - an effort to increase awareness about gun crime victims - said she knows of someone in her apartment building who has firearms. "(Police) came to my building for a 911 call. I want that officer to knock on that door and see those guns on the table and be able to seize and arrest the people in there. By the time you get a warrant, the guns have gone," she said. Police need to be more diligent in solving these open murder cases, said Debbie Parks, whose son Kareme was murdered in 2006. "I've called for three years straight, once a month," she said. "The detective has not returned my calls. I've been to (police) headquarters and left letters and never had any responses. Nothing happens. I'm sure Kareme's file is in a banker's box somewhere - forgotten about." Parks was 20 when he was gunned down in a Sunrise Ave. apartment building after a fight broke out. Other names on the list include Jermaine Derby and Sealand White, two teens who were shot in the elevator of the Whiteside Place apartment building where the women gathered. There needs to be better support systems for victims' families, Parks said, describing times when counsellors could only provide a limited amount of time for her. There also needs to be increased witness protection programs. A few weeks ago, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced a new justice bill, which includes tougher sentences for drug traffickers, child sexual predators and repeat violent young offenders. Staff-Insp. Mark Saunders, of the homicide bureau, said the police are doing everything they can, but investigators are dependent on tips from the public when it comes to solving many murders. "I can't judge people on how they feel about these situations," he said, referring to Parks' comment about her son being forgotten. "A lot of cases are frustrating because a lot of these homicide cases aren't committed in a vacuum, they're committed out in public. The slide rule here is, if you assist us with these murder investigations, we will solve them." jenny.yuen@sunmedia.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:58:55 -0400 From: John Stevens Subject: Canada’s forthcoming surveillance bill and how to rein it in This goes way beyond "gun control" http://www.vancouversun.com/Canada+forthcoming+surveillance+bill+rein/5521531/story.html#ixzz1aGWPjkE4 Each year in the UK, intelligence, policing, and security services routinely make over 500,000 requests for non-content elements of communications such as when communications took place, between whom, and from where. During 2009 in the US, over 23,000 federal requests for similar information were made. Current American reporting requirements indicate that the vast majority of these requests are not publicly reported; 23,000 requests are likely the tip of the iceberg. Why do I lead a piece about Canadian legislation with references to our closest allies? Because they provide strong indicators for how Canadian authorities will use similar powers. Before the election the government proposed “Lawful Access” legislation—dubbed “Online Spying” by Canadians—to increase authorities’ policing and intelligence-gathering powers, and now the Conservative majority government is committed to turning that legislation into law. If implemented without considering their appropriateness, a capacity to audit their use, or clauses to abort dangerous or unneeded expansions, this online spying legislation will cultivate the conditions for secretive government-mandated surveillance that targets law-abiding Canadians. The Significance of Lawful Access Canadians live in a safe nation, and authorities' powers have been proven expansive enough to identify and resolve threats to public order and safety. Online spying legislation unnecessarily and excessively expands the range of state surveillance capabilities, while removing the judicial constraints that ensure that authorities do not overstep their bounds. Based upon legislation that died when the last federal election was called, we can expect the following in the online spying legislation that the federal government has promised to push through within 100 sitting days: • Corporate surveillance. Internet service providers, mobile phone providers, and even the websites that Canadians visit could become agents of the state, forced to preserve records of Canadians' actions at the request of authorities;3 • Minimal oversight. Audit powers will be offloaded to privacy commissioners without corresponding material or legislative resources to effectively conduct audits and limit abuse;4 • Warrantless disclosures. Internet users' subscriber information will be disclosed to authorities, regardless of the information’s usefulness or uselessness to an investigation;5 • Secrecy orders. Authorities might collect Canadians’ private information without those Canadians ever knowing about the collection or the reasons for collecting it.6 Preventing Lawful Abuse Based on their previous legislative proposals, the government’s forthcoming online spying legislation will remove the checks and balances that Canadians expect our policing and security services to comply with. It cannot be overstated how much information our telecommunications service providers—social networking sites, ISPs, mobile phone providers—hold about Canadians. Some information is clearly personal—the content of my email, your phone conversations—and some seemingly less personal—who I email and how often, who you call and how often, and where you are located when making those calls. This transactional information is predominantly what will be accessed under new powers because it enables social network analysis, which identifies communications networks and who is proportionally more important in a network. Further, it permits the tracking of physical movements and facilitates granular awareness of where civil advocates and controversial public figures are and with whom they are communicating. We must stop such abuse before it has the opportunity to begin—Canadians can speak up by signing the petition at http://StopSpying.ca. After a bill is passed into law, the likelihood of correcting any inherent imbalances is very low. Here are a few steps the government can take to limit the abuse of Lawful Access provisions, which as of now are poorly thought out, allowing surveillance that is invasive, warrantless, and costly: First, dedicated hearings on lawful access should be held. Second, strong independent audit, oversight, and enforcement powers should be incorporated. Third, judicial oversight should be required. Before authorities can access data, they should first go before a judge and clearly demonstrate the need to access it and the scope of the data’s intended use. Fourth, sunset clauses must be included. Elements of the legislation that an auditor reveals as demonstrably ineffective or unnecessary should be phased out. Lawful Access legislation could damage the fabric of Canadian democracy, infringing on privacy rights and freedom of association, and reshaping trust between citizens and the government and business. To alleviate these risks, the government should demonstrate responsible leadership and conduct inclusive hearings about this legislation to ensure that any new surveillance powers avoid negatively impacting Canadian citizens or undermining current judicial process and oversight. Christopher Parsons is a PhD candidate in the Department of Political Science at the University of Victoria. He is currently attending to a particular set of technologies that facilitate digitally mediated surveillance, including Deep Packet Inspection (DPI), behavioral advertising, and mobile devices. He thinks through how these technologies influence citizens in their decision to openly express themselves or engage in self-censoring behavior on a regular basis. © Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Canada+forthcoming+surveillance+bill+rein/5521531/story.html#ixzz1aOPVgMH1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:25:18 -0600 From: "Jim Szpajcher" Subject: Re: "200 suicide bombers planning attack on U.K." Telegraph Larry - I take your point about having Britain having fought long wars before. I would note that the invasion of 1066 was not long, while the Hundred Years War was among the longest - and Britain lost them both. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry James Fillo" To: Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:48 AM Subject: "200 suicide bombers planning attack on U.K." Telegraph > We're still at the early stages in this renewal of the Clash of > Civilizations. It will take 20 to 30 years before it's at it's peak. > > This 2012 Olympic threat reminds me of the attacks in 1973 in > Munich. If such happens again, only now in the U.K. they'll remember > the old quotes from Sir Winston Churchill. > > Their heritage, once renewed is superior to primitive, 7th Century > tribalism. Great Britain has fought long wars before. > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8815574/200-suicide-bombers-planning-attacks-in-UK.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 10, 2011 11:11 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Wildlife trapping: Strong feelings for and against Wildlife trapping: Strong feelings for and against Advocates cite population management, opponents argue practice is cruel http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20111010/NEWS01/110090350/Wildlife-trapping-Strong-feelings-for-and-gainst?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE COOLBAUGH, Pa. -- Barry Warner has loved wildlife since boyhood, and lived out his dream of becoming a conservation officer. He sees no contradiction in the fact that he's also a lifelong trapper, skilled at capturing wild animals and, if appropriate, killing them as part of an avocation that many Americans view as barbarous. Here in the township of Coolbaugh, on the edge of a vast track of state game land near Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains, he's in his element. He demonstrates an array of traps unloaded from the back of his truck, reviews his 37-year career with the state game commission, from which he resigned as regional director in 2007, and recounts his periodic forays to North Carolina to trap bobcats, beaver and buck-toothed, wetland-dwelling nutria. "Some people think trappers don't care about wildlife," says Warner. "It was my love for it that took me into this career. I don't want to see anything suffer." One local trapper agrees. Trapping serves a valuable role in wildlife management, said trapper Mike Smith of Addison, who explained that legally, trappers are required to check their traps frequently. Trapping is not only a source of income for those who sell the furs, but also a useful tool for controlling predators and nuisance wildlife, Smith said. "I try to explain to people why it's not cruel. People think of the old days when traps had teeth. It's not that way anymore," he said. "We use foothold traps that are a lot more humane. It also helps keep disease down. We have to check our traps every 24 hours. Traps are more humane than people think," Smith said. Over the next few months, tens of thousands of trappers nationwide will fan out through the backcountry. But of all the entrenched outdoor pursuits in America, it's hard to think of any that are more polarizing than the one that unfolds every trapping season. For proponents, the season is a treasured tradition evoking America's frontier heritage. Trappers consider their quarry a renewable resource and depict themselves as front-line conservationists playing a vital role in wildlife management. Opponents see pervasive cruelty inflicted on millions of animals each year, largely to help supply domestic and overseas markets for fur. "Commercial fur trapping dates back to the early 1600s and has hardly changed," says Adam Roberts, executive vice president of Born Free USA. He calls trapping "horrific, highly unregulated, inhumane and dangerous." Born Free and other animal-advocacy groups have been campaigning for decades to ban certain types of traps. Earlier this year, Born Free conducted an undercover investigation of trapping in Pennsylvania and cited its allegations of cruel and abusive practices to petition the game commission for tougher regulations. The petition was unanimously rejected on Oct. 4. There are about 150,000 trappers in the U.S., according to the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies. Most make little profit -- perhaps a few hundred dollars per season -- selling pelts at prices which range from close to $600 for a bobcat to roughly $15 for a beaver. For decades, Warner has been deeply involved in training wildlife officers and would-be trappers about trapping techniques and ethics issues such as minimizing distress to animals and avoiding non-target species. There are numerous types of traps, used for different purposes and animals, ranging from box traps which catch animals alive to snare traps which employ a noose of cable or wire. A newer version of snares called cable restraints are designed to catch foxes and coyotes without killing them. Among the emphatically deadly varieties are Conibear traps -- designed to suffocate an animal by crushing its neck or spinal column. They're used most often to trap muskrats and beavers. The most common type of trap, used to catch an array of animals, is the subject of a semantic battle -- it's called the leghold trap by many of its critics and the foothold trap by many of its defenders. Past versions of these traps often had metal teeth on the jaws; now it's common for the jaws to be laminated or padded. Animal-advocacy groups contend that animals captured in these traps feel so much pain that they sometimes chew off their own paw in frantic efforts to escape. Trappers deny this is a common occurrence and say current versions of the traps don't cause severe pain. State trapper organizations, including Pennsylvania's, offer adult and youth education programs, in part to counter anti-trapping activists. "We know we're in their sights," said Brian Mohn, president of the Pennsylvania Trappers Association. In March, Born Free USA released the results of an undercover investigation of wildlife trapping that it conducted in Pennsylvania. The organization said its video and photos revealed "shocking cruelty and brutality" -- including the prolonged drowning of a raccoon by a trapper with a stick, and the killing of two foxes after they were caught in what Born Free said was an illegal snare trap. Trappers belittled some of the footage, but Mohn acknowledged being troubled by the raccoon drowning sequence. The latest annual state figures report a harvest of more about 112,000 raccoons, 64,000 muskrats, 50,000 foxes and 30,000 coyotes. In Congress, Rep. Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., introduced a bill in July that would ban the use of body-gripping traps within federal wildlife refuges. The ban would encompass leghold, snare and Conibear traps; cage and box traps would still be allowed. "The use of steel jaw leghold traps and other barbaric mechanisms has no place in National Wildlife Refuges," said Lowey. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is on record as defending trapping in the wildlife refuges - -- whether for resource management and disease control, or for economic and recreational purposes. Some other animal-advocacy groups -- such as the Humane Society of the United States and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals -- focus on trying to weaken the fur industry. Of all the fur produced annually in the U.S., most comes from fur farms, which animal-advocacy groups also consider to be cruel. - -- Staff writer Jeff Murray contributed to this article. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 10, 2011 10:20 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: The Fernie Rod and Gun Club's three new youth hunting trophies THE FREE PRESS - OCTOBER 9, 2011 Hunting in the Elk Valley http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/ferniefreepress/sports/131278339.html The Fernie Rod and Gun Club's three new youth hunting trophies have been claimed by Wyatt Bezak and Adam VanWijk. Adam claimed the first whitetail buck youth trophy with a beauty 3x3 he shot on September 1. With his dad and friend by his side, 13 year old Adam took one shot with his 270 and had the deer on the ground. This is Adam's first whitetail buck in his young hunting career, last year he harvested a whitetail doe. "It was a very enjoyable day!" explains Adam with a big smile. Great Job Adam! Wyatt Bezak claimed both the first Bull Elk and Mule Deer buck trophies with two great animals. On September 4 Wyatt headed out into the backcountry with his dad and uncle Stafford to see what they could find. The trio spotted the big mule deer just over 300 yards away. Once the group identified the deer as being a shooter Wyatt found a good rest and took down the big deer with his 300 Win Mag. This is Wyatt's second big mule deer he has harvested in the past few years. Way to go Wyatt! For the opening day of elk season (rifle) Wyatt headed out with his dad and Roman Rybar to look for a six point bull elk. All elk taken in the rifle season must have at least six points on one antler. After a long hike the guys came across a big bull elk. The trio were on top of a ridge looking down on the elk. After identifying the elk as a legal bull Wyatt loaded his trusty 300 Win Mag and shot the elk free hand at a distance of 100 yards. The elk dropped in the shale slide and Wyatt knew the fun was over and the work was about to begin. "It was a very long hike," explains Wyatt, "but well worth it!" Congrats again Wyatt on claiming the first Bull Elk Youth trophy. The Fernie Rod and Gun Club would like to acknowledge and thank the sponsors of the new Youth trophies. First Bull Elk Youth Trophy - "In Memory of Past Outdoorsman" - Al Williams and Son Logging Ltd. First Whitetail Buck Youth Trophy - Sponsored by Back Country Meats and Sausage - Fernie First Mule Deer Buck Youth Trophy - Sponsored by Isosceles Business Systems - - Fernie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:16:28 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Man beaten, robbed while trying to prevent original ... ... attack"-Ottawa Citizen "Man beaten, robbed while trying to prevent original attack" http://www.ottawacitizen.com/beaten+robbed+while+trying+prevent+original+attack/5525768/story.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ottawa, our federal government knows disarmed citizens have no chance against marauding gangs. This is a policy decision, as is importing many of the gangsters. A crime prevented by a citizen deprives police, gov't. lawyers, judges, medical staff, social workers of money and power. Once in a while, you'd think one of these gangs would, just by chance, attack an undercover police officer who staking out dangerous, higher crime areas. Then the officer would be forced to defend him/her self and the violent criminal(s) would suffer. We never read of such an incident. Anyone wonder why? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, October 10, 2011 5:55 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Global gun control report relied on deceptive statistics Global gun control report relied on deceptive statistics By David Codrea, Gun Rights Examiner - October 10, 2011 http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/global-gun-control-report-relied-on-deceptive-statistics In an attempt to frighten the world's States into signing onto an Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), a report entitled The Global Burden of Armed Violence (or GBAV*) was published in 2008," researchers Paul Gallant, Alan Chwick and Joanne D. Eisen write in "740,000 New Lies," an published in the November issue of The Dillon Blue Press:" The anti-gun media latched onto the figure the GBAV authors conjured up-740,000 global deaths per year from "armed violence"-and ran with it. The report was intended to exaggerate the deaths associated with weapons, and create public hysteria. The scam was easy to see-if only one would actually read the report." That's hardly surprising for those who follow the standard practice among gungrabbers to rely on lies, damn lies and statistics in order to bamboozle the ignorant into accepting their own disarmament. Recall the "90%" lie exploited to blame U.S. gun laws for Mexican cartel violence-a figure some evidently thought needed artificial boosting by way of "Project Gunwalker." And it's hardly surprising that an elite press that is overwhelmingly hostile to the right to keep and bear arms would welcome such deception, and repeat it wholesale without critical analysis. The lies in the GBAV crumble under the probing touch of Gallant, Chwick and Eisen, and we learn: "200,000 fake numbers were added into the total of 740,000 violent deaths-27 percent!-and uncritically accepted as gospel by the media and anti-gun groups." And: "The GBAV authors barely mentioned the significant number of violent deaths perpetrated by government against civilians. For example, in Kenya, it has been reported that up to 90 percent of homicides are committed by Kenyan police." That's a taste of what you'll find in this authoritative deconstruction of how figures lie and liars figure, another in a series of devastating critiques these researchers are producing. Isn't it interesting that citizen disarmament advocates consistently resort to lying to you in order to persuade you that governments alone must be entrusted with a monopoly of violence? How can they possibly have your welfare as a free and sovereign individual in mind? Click here to read "740,000 New Lies." http://gallanteisen.incnf.org/740_000%20New_Lies-%5bBP112011%5d.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:57:05 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Wasn't that the reason? To the Minister for Seniors: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:24:14 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Wasn't that the reason? To: The Star Relaxed gun rules eyed for foreign police here Jun 26, 2007 04:30 AM OTTAWA The federal government is quietly proposing to relax rules for foreign law enforcement officers who carry weapons into Canada, CTV News reported last night. Wasn't that the reason S/Sgt Hugh Stewart sprayed protesters at UBC? Didn't the Prime Minister of Canada and a foreign brutal dictator, parade themselves at the University of British Columbia, knowing it inflamed protesters (?) Doug Collins: ''been attending the summit instead of that arch villain Suharto of Indonesia, we would have heard cheers from the screaming multitude, not jeers''. Didn't Chretien allow Suharto's bodyguard to possess firearms. ? Wasn't there a clear danger that if the crowd had attempted to 'arrest' the villain ... his bodyguards would have shot and killed canadians? Wasn't the pepper spraying, an 'instead of' tactic? And didn't the mountie get the sh** instead of the prime minister who had been warned the appearance would incite the crowd? Isn't it always the case . . blame the cop, not the one who caused it? ( information from (aka) Hanna Minoosh who saw Da Preem giving head shakes to direct the action ) Now you can be shot when a foreign officer, on the mistaken belief that you are dangerous, shoot you, and claim 'self-defence'? Len Miller Vancouver who IS Hannah Minoosh ?? She is with you when riding CN Rail . . the noise the wheels make when it hits the steel rail junctions . if you need more . . please feel free to call me . . In 2011 . . Len is asking: ARE foreign nationals still permitted firearms over that of law abiding Canadians ? to have a peaceful, family oriented Thanksgiving Day . . don't turn on the radio, and hear what our government is planning re long guns . . . . ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #707 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)