Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, October 17 2011 Volume 14 : Number 718 In this issue: Re: WASH. TIMES: Steps to gun ownership in D.C. By Emily Miller "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal Obama Spoke About "Fast & Furious" Before Holder Claimed He Knew Not Asking? CBC - Supreme Court finds police behaviour 'aberrant' in Côté case Irony There’s no way to spot another Russell Williams Letter: Hunting wabbits Re: Screening for Psychopaths Re: Spotting Russel Williams Military cancels planned weapons purchase ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, October 15, 2011 11:41 am From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Re: WASH. TIMES: Steps to gun ownership in D.C. By Emily Miller Meanwhile all the criminals have to do is pay their local arms dealer his price and they get gun and ammo immediately. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:53:04 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/14/earlyshow/main20120395.shtml "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal October 14, 2011 (CBS News) There's a new twist in the government's "gunwalking" scandal involving an even more dangerous weapon: grenades. "Gunwalking" subpoena for AG Holder imminent CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, who has reported on this story from the beginning, said on "The Early Show" that the investigation into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)'s so-called "Fast and Furious" operation branches out to a case involving grenades. Sources tell her a suspect was left to traffic and manufacture them for Mexican drug cartels. Police say Jean Baptiste Kingery, a U.S. citizen, was a veritable grenade machine. He's accused of smuggling parts for as many as 2,000 grenades into Mexico for killer drug cartels -- sometimes under the direct watch of U.S. law enforcement. For more on this investigation, visit CBS Investigates. Law enforcement sources say Kingery could have been prosecuted in the U.S. twice for violating export control laws, but that, each time, prosecutors in Arizona refused to make a case. Grenades are weapons-of-choice for the cartels. An attack on Aug. 25 in a Monterrey, Mexico casino killed 53 people. Sources tell CBS News that, in January 2010, ATF had Kingery under surveillance after he bought about 50 grenade bodies and headed to Mexico. But they say prosecutors wouldn't agree to make a case. So, as ATF agents looked on, Kingery and the grenade parts crossed the border -- and simply disappeared. Six months later, Kingery allegedly got caught leaving the U.S. for Mexico with 114 disassembled grenades in a tire. One ATF agent told investigators he literally begged prosecutors to keep Kingery in custody this time, fearing he was supplying narco-terrorists, but was again ordered to let Kingery go. The prosecutors -- already the target of controversy for overseeing "Fast and Furious," wouldn't comment on the grenades case. U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke recently resigned and his assistant, Emory Hurley, has been transferred. Sources say Hurley is the one who let Kingery go, saying grenade parts are "novelty items" and the case "lacked jury appeal." Attkisson added on "The Early Show" that, in August, Mexican authorities raided Kingery's stash house and factory, finding materials for 1,000 grenades. He was charged with trafficking and allegedly admitted not only to making grenades, but also to teaching cartels how to make them, as well as helping cartel members convert semi-automatic rifles to fully-automatic. As one source put it: There's no telling how much damage Kingery did in the year-and-a-half since he was first let go. The Justice Department inspector general is now investigating this, along with "Fast and Furious." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:01:07 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Obama Spoke About "Fast & Furious" Before Holder Claimed He Knew http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/13/obama_spoke_about_fast__furious_before_holder_claimed_he_knew.html Obama Spoke About "Fast & Furious" Before Holder Claimed He Knew October 13, 2011 CNN's John King plays Holder's testimony to Congress on MAY 3, 2011, where he said he had only just recently heard about the Fast & Furious gunrunning program. "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks," Attorney General Eric Holder said. Then CNN compares Holder's testimony to what President Obama said in MARCH to CNN Espanol about the operation. "I heard on the news about this story that -- Fast and Furious, where allegedly guns were being run into Mexico, and ATF knew about it, but didn't apprehend those who had sent it." Transcript of the segment that aired on "John King USA" below: KING: Well, Congressman Cummings, let's get to one of the questions here. Let's first listen to the attorney general. He came before this committee back in May. Here's what he said. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ISSA: When did you first know about the program officially I believe called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date? ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: He says over the last few weeks. That is on May 3, 2011. Listen to this interview the president of the United States, not the attorney general, the president of the United States, had with CNN Espanol back in March. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There have been problems, you know. I heard on the news about this story that -- Fast and Furious, where allegedly guns were being run into Mexico, and ATF knew about it, but didn't apprehend those who had sent it. Eric Holder has -- the attorney general has been very clear that he knew nothing about this. We had assigned an I.G., inspector general, to investigate it. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: It begs the question, how did the president know about this in March, and how did the president know the attorney general knew nothing about this in march, when the attorney general says in May he just learned about it a couple weeks ago? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:44:43 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Not Asking? To 'NW news crew . . Another day, another shooting . with a gun ? Gee, the RCMP won't give out the name of the victim . . WOT? Is that the most important news item ? The NAME of the victim ? Haven't 'WE' had gun control since Feb 95? Hasn't the FAILURE of C-68 and its illegitimate children safe storage, and careless use, when guns are used for protection: Galloway, and Thomson is bugled? By the media? Why hasn't 'NW news asked the question: why IS gun control legislation . . still there ? Wy are they farting around with rifle registration? This is NOT what the community expected giving the majority you asked . . The art of lying, is not so much in the words . . . it's in the deception . . A heads up media like 'NW by this time should ask Just who IS/AM/ARE gun control legislation controlling ? The criminals . . or the law abiding? Who has most to fear ? the 'C's or the 'LA' ? It certainly is NOT controlling the criminal shooters . . is it? Do you need yet another gentle reminder from a responsible senior citizen to do your job? It seems, that's exactly what you need . . AKITA ( a kick . . . ) Still, I'll keep on listening . . and hoping . . always hoping . . Len Miller LTL ( long time listener ) And a big 'Hello' from Hannah Minoosh , , and the Sum twins: Dim and Awe . . apparently some of the sums are less than the components . . hummmm ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, October 15, 2011 2:31 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: CBC - Supreme Court finds police behaviour 'aberrant' in Côté case CBC - Supreme Court finds police behaviour 'aberrant' in Côté case CBC News Last Updated: Oct 14, 2011 6:49 PM ET http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/news/story/2011/10/14/cote-aquittal-quebec.html Quebec provincial police demonstrated "disturbing and aberrant" behaviour when they detained Armande Côté during the investigation into the murder of her common-law husband, the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled. In the hours following André Hogue's death on July 22, 2006, provincial police violated a number of fundamental legal principles, the court found. "The impact of the police misconduct ... was serious: the unauthorized search occurred in her home in the middle of the night while she was detained and the search was not brief," the decision states. "The breach implicated her liberty, her dignity as well as her privacy interests. Thus, the absence of prior authorization for the search was a serious affront to her reasonable expectation of privacy." The court's 8-1 ruling means Côté will not stand trial again on a second-degree murder charge in Hogue's death. She was accused of killing her 63-year-old common-law husband in a gazebo on their Pierreville property. In addition to the search violations, the court found provincial police investigating the case detained her without a clear charge, did not offer her a chance to speak with a lawyer and coerced her into confessing. Côté, who was 61 at the time, called 911 to report she had found her husband injured on the floor. It was later discovered in hospital that Hogue had been shot in the head. Police detained Côté after officers returned to the home later in the evening and found holes in the gazebo screen. They didn't tell her they knew he had suffered a gunshot wound or that she was a prime suspect. According to the decision, investigators told her she was an "important witness" and did not inform her of her right to a lawyer until more than five hours after she was detained. At her first trial, the judge found Côté had told investigators 20 times she did not want to answer questions, but the police persisted. That led the trial judge to throw out all evidence gathered by police. Last year, Quebec's high court found that while her rights had been violated, the police did not deliberately act in an abusive manner. A retrial was ordered. The Supreme Court said the Court of Appeal re-characterized evidence and should not have substituted its own view of police conduct for the findings of the trial judge. With files from The Canadian Press ------------------------------ Date: Sun, October 16, 2011 7:04 am From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Irony Re: http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/10/15/defending-free-speech > … including any notice, sign, symbol, emblem, article, statement of > other representation tending or likely to tend to deprive, abridge or > otherwise restrict the enjoyment by any person … of any right … Am I the only one who sees the irony in Saskatchewan's Human Rights Law - - Section 14, that reads as above? By threatening someone with criminal sanctions for merely expressing themselves, is not Saskatchewan committing the very act it has illegalized in its very own Human Rights Law? - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 09:18:43 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: There’s no way to spot another Russell Williams There's no way to spot another Russell Williams An internal military review concludes there is no off-the-shelf exam to detect sociopathic killers by Michael Friscolanti on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/10/12/screening-for-psychopaths/ There’s no way to spot another Russell Williams An internal military review concludes there is no off-the-shelf exam to detect sociopathic killers by Michael Friscolanti on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:00am - 2 Comments Screening for psychopaths Andy Clark/Reuters Kevin West was Russell Williams’s right-hand man at CFB Trenton. If the base commander was at a ribbon cutting ceremony or a photo op with a visiting politician, Chief Warrant Officer West was always nearby. The two men golfed together. They ate dinner, with their wives, at each other’s houses. And on the Sunday night in February 2010 when Williams confessed to police that he was a serial killer in colonel’s clothing, West was among the first in uniform to hear the unthinkable news. Early the next morning, while Williams was leading police to Jessica Lloyd’s lifeless body, Kevin West picked up his BlackBerry and typed a message to senior staffers at the base. “Ladies and gentlemen,” he wrote, at 2:11 a.m. “Request you all meet in the WHQ conference room as early as possible tomorrow morning. I will be in my office for 0700 hrs. This is extremely important, more information to follow.” What followed is still difficult to fathom. An elite officer who piloted prime ministers and the Queen—and oversaw the country’s largest air force base—was doubling as a depraved sexual predator who somehow managed to ascend the ranks without a whiff of suspicion. Grasping for an explanation, the Canadian Forces launched an “immediate review” of the way candidates are selected for senior command positions—and whether enhanced psychological testing might have revealed the real Russ Williams. The answer, sadly, is no. Among hundreds of pages of internal military documents, obtained by Maclean’s under the Access to Information Act, is a draft version of that review. It confirms what leading experts have long maintained: there is no off-the-shelf exam that employers, armed forces or otherwise, can use to detect sociopathic killers. “Given the recent events in CFB Trenton, it is natural for the CF to question whether or not the organization could have identified a sexual sadist or predicted that an individual would become a serial sexual murderer,” the report says. But that “would be unrealistic to expect.” Every recruit is subject to various levels of screening, including a criminal records check and an aptitude test. Members also undergo an annual evaluation that assesses past performance and potential for promotion. To be considered for senior command (colonels in the army and air force; captains in the navy), an officer’s file must be “thoroughly reviewed” and endorsed by a board of superiors who examine “personal characteristics, demonstrated leadership ability, education and professional development.” Nothing in Williams’s file, an impeccable 23-year career, offered the slightest hint of his alter ego. Certain high-risk postings (special forces, snipers, military police) do require a formal assessment by a psychologist, who looks for red flags such as emotional instability, anti-social behaviour and past mental health issues. But, as the report states, “this is not a screening for psychopathology.” Although researchers have developed specialized tests that can measure psychopathic traits (a typical psychopath is callous, remorseless, superficial and manipulative), those checklists are designed to dig deeper into the brains of convicted prisoners, not to weed out would-be murderers among the general public. As the report also points out, not all psychopaths are murderers—and not all murderers are psychopaths. In fact, studies suggest that nearly one per cent of the general population fits the clinical definition of psychopath. But very few are criminals, let alone killers. So even if there was a test that could accurately spot psychopaths, should the military spend the millions of dollars necessary to conduct such testing? “Given the low estimates of psychopathy in the general population, the weak link between psychopathy and criminal behaviour, and the potentially serious career implications of this label, [it] is not recommended for mass screening in the CF,” the report concludes. Spotting sex offenders is just as difficult as spotting psychopaths—especially if, like Williams, they don’t have a criminal record. Without that criminal record, the most reliable way to detect a sexual sadist is “phallometric” testing: hooking a rubber band to a man’s penis and measuring his reaction to various photographs and videos. “While this test may help to identify atypical arousal patterns, it would never be used without cause, or in isolation, to predict criminal sexual behaviour,” the report states. “The procedure is very intrusive and costly and, for ethical and legal reasons, not recommended for use by CF.” Now locked in a solitary cell at Kingston Penitentiary, Williams was in the news last week after one of his assault victims filed a lawsuit against him, his wife and the Ontario Provincial Police. A Montreal production company also announced plans to turn the story into a “frightening and insightful” movie. Until then, the depths of Williams’s heinous double life continue to emerge, bit by bit. At his sentencing hearing, the public learned that he abducted Jessica Lloyd on a Thursday night, then faked a stomach flu so he could skip work while holding her hostage at his Tweed, Ont., cottage. According to the newly released documents, Williams received an email from a subordinate that Friday afternoon—while Lloyd was still alive. “I attended the RCAF Memorial Luncheon today on your behalf,” wrote Lt.-Col. Ross Fetterly. “It was a significant affair and had full attendance.” At 6:22 p.m., Williams typed a reply on his BlackBerry. “Outstanding,” he wrote. “Thanks very much for having filled in for me . . . I’m sure the last thing you needed was a pop-up two-hour commitment. Take care.” Two hours later, Jessica Lloyd was dead. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, October 16, 2011 1:08 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Letter: Hunting wabbits CALGARY HERALD - OCTOBER 16, 2011 Letter: Hunting wabbits By Gloria Wilkinson http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Hunting+wabbits/5557613/story.html Re: "B.C. rabbit advocate offers aid to Canmore," Oct. 11. http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/rabbit+advocate+offers+Canmore/5530463/story.html Why is this person from another province being entertained with her goofy notion of "save the rabbits" - and at our expense? Rabbits make an excellent source of protein. Cull them and freeze them to make meals for the homeless and the working poor. A side suggestion would be to do the same thing with the over-run of Canada geese on Prince's Island. Save the rabbits, indeed! Gloria Wilkinson, Calgary ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:02:23 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Screening for Psychopaths At 09:18 AM 16/10/2011 -0600, you wrote: >There's no way to spot another Russell Williams >An internal military review concludes there is no off-the-shelf exam >to detect sociopathic killers > >by Michael Friscolanti on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 > >http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/10/12/screening-for-psychopaths/ > >There’s no way to spot another Russell Williams > >An internal military review concludes there is no off-the-shelf exam to >detect sociopathic killers >by Michael Friscolanti on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:00am - 2 Comments >Screening for psychopaths > >Andy Clark/Reuters Nor is there any way to weed out the thieves, sociopaths, and agenda driven doo-gooders who run for political office. Recent members of the Liberal party come to mind.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:02:23 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Spotting Russel Williams At 09:18 AM 16/10/2011 -0600, you wrote: >There's no way to spot another Russell Williams >An internal military review concludes there is no off-the-shelf exam >to detect sociopathic killers > >by Michael Friscolanti on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 > >http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/10/12/screening-for-psychopaths/ > >There’s no way to spot another Russell Williams > >An internal military review concludes there is no off-the-shelf exam to >detect sociopathic killers >by Michael Friscolanti on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:00am - 2 Comments >Screening for psychopaths > >Andy Clark/Reuters Nor is there any way to weed out the thieves, sociopaths, and agenda driven doo-gooders who run for political office. Recent members of the Liberal party come to mind.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, October 16, 2011 5:19 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Military cancels planned weapons purchase THE VANCOUVER SUN - OCTOBER 16, 2011 Military cancels planned weapons purchase BY DAVID PUGLIESE, POSTMEDIA NEWS OCTOBER 16, 2011 4:04 PM http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Military+cancels+planned+weapons+purchase/5558920/story.html The Canadian military's plan to buy new pistols for its troops and rifles for the Canadian Rangers in the Arctic has suffered a major setback after international firearms companies balked at turning over their confidential technical data to one of their competitors so the guns could be manufactured in Canada. Just a few weeks ago, the Defence Department and Public Works issued a notice to companies that it would be buying 10,000 new rifles and 10,000 pistols. But DND also stipulated that any firms wanting to bid on the two contracts would have to turn over their technical data and proprietary information to the government, which in turn would pass it on to Colt Canada. Colt would then manufacture the weapons at its plant in Kitchener, Ont. But defence sources say companies told the government they had no intention of turning over the details of their firearms designs to a subsidiary of the U.S. small arms giant Colt, a key competitor for many of the firms on the international market. The government then hastily retreated, cancelling its request to the companies for information about prices and availability. In an email the Defence Department confirmed that it asked Public Works to cancel the request "as a result of questions, and requests for clarification, from industry." The department is now re-evaluating its procurement strategy. According to the DND email, its small arms project office is now "focusing efforts on clarifying the procurement strategy with the intent to facilitate future communication with industry." Comments from industry will be considered when the final requirements for the purchase are written, the department email added. But industry sources say Canada's purchase of the rifles and pistols is considered small so the government will have little leverage demanding that international firearms companies turn over their technical data to a competitor. They suggest the entire procurement strategy will have to be overhauled. DND has also tried to prevent firms from talking about the proposed pistol purchase. In its notice sent to arms companies for the upcoming procurement, it stipulated that, "no information or statements pertaining to this project shall be released to the media without written permission from the Department of National Defence." Such a stipulation is unusual, say industry officials. But there have been growing concerns about the lack of accountability and secrecy that surrounds DND's procurement organization. Earlier this year, the Ottawa Citizen obtained a DND report that concluded military procurement was secretive and that the government did not communicate with the public or industry on such matters. "Defence procurement and defence trade are neither free, open, nor transparent," the study by an outside review team noted. Jeff MacLeod, general manager of Colt Canada, said he isn't sure why the government's request for information from the small arms firms for the pistols and rifles was cancelled. But MacLeod said he expects to find out more information in the coming days. The new rifles were to replace the Lee Enfield guns that the Canadian Rangers have been using for more than 60 years. The original purchase plan would have seen the Rangers receiving their new rifles at the end of 2014. The Rangers, a sub-component of the Canadian Forces Reserve, patrol remote parts of the country's North and other isolated areas of Canada. For the last two decades the military has been maintaining the rifles from spare parts taken from other Lee Enfields. Although, the Canadian Forces are several years away from a shortage of parts, the number of spare components is becoming limited, according to army officers. The new pistol would replace two types of handguns currently used in the Canadian Forces. One of those, the Browning Hi-Power, has been in use for decades. The procurement plan for the new pistol called for a contract in place and deliveries of the new weapons by 2015. It is not clear now when the new rifles or pistols will be delivered. Canadian Forces C7 rifles and other weapons were produced by Diemaco, a Canadian company in Kitchener, but in 2005 that firm was purchased by the U.S. arms giant Colt. It is now known as Colt Canada and is the federal government's Small Arms Centre of Excellence. The company has also supplied militaries in the Netherlands, Denmark and other nations with rifles. It employs around 100 staff at its facility in Kitchener. 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