Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, November 21 2011 Volume 14 : Number 792 In this issue: RE: LETTER: Watching for Paulson's reaction to Bill C-19 the "mark of the beast" LETTER: End pointless wolf cull RE: MP Maxime Bernier: "giving them a gift of poison." Laws are NOT made to control crime FW: Thomas Sowell-Occupy Wall street Vic Toews Assistant Re: the "mark of the beast" TStar: Government puts tighter leash on RCMP public statements OPP have a long checklist of things hunters should go over ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:11:15 -0700 From: "Todd Brown" Subject: RE: LETTER: Watching for Paulson's reaction to Bill C-19 - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis & Hazel Young Sent: January-20-11 3:23 AM To: Firearms Digest Subject: LETTER: Watching for Paulson's reaction to Bill C-19 TORONTO STAR - NOVEMBER 20, 2011 LETTER: Watching for Paulson's reaction http://www.thestar.com/opinion/letters/article/1089521--watching-for-paulson-s-reaction would indeed waste the $2 billion plus expenditure to date and prevent any future use. Richard Ring, Grimsby The 2 billion was already wasted.....and I hope so Todd B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:26:52 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: the "mark of the beast" Some equate Harper's coersive firearms owner licensing scheme to the Nazi golden star forced upon the jews as well as the Bible's feared "Mark of the Beast."(2) "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath." Revelation 14:9,10 "He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation 13:16-17 Some feel, "If you get the mark of the beast God's complete wrath will be poured out on you. When you are required by law to get the mark of the beast and when you can't buy or sell without it how will you live?"(1) "Canadian charter of rights and freedoms Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:" Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox source(s) 1. The Mark of the Beast http://www.markbeast.com/beast/who-is-beast.htm 2. Who is the "Beast?" http://www.markbeast.com/beast/who-is-beast.htm - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57327849/lawsuit-man-fired-for-not-wearing-666-sticker/ Lawsuit: Man fired for not wearing "666" November 18, 2011 AP) ATLANTA - A Georgia factory worker claims in a federal lawsuit that he was fired after he refused to wear a 666 sticker he feared would doom him to eternal damnation. Billy E. Hyatt claims he was fired from Pliant Corp., a plastics factory in northern Georgia near Dalton, after he refused to wear a sticker proclaiming that his factory had been accident-free for 666 days. That number is considered the "mark of the beast" in the Bible's Book of Revelation describing the apocalypse. Hyatt, who said he's a devout Christian, had worked for the north Georgia plastics company since June 2007 and like other employees wore stickers each day that proclaimed how long the factory had gone without an accident. But he grew nervous in early 2009 as the number of accident-free days crept into the 600s. As the company's safety calendar approached day 666, Hyatt said he approached a manager and explained that wearing it would force him "to accept the mark of the beast and to be condemned to hell." He said the manager assured him he wouldn't have to wear the number. When the day came on March 12, 2009, Hyatt sought a manager to discuss his request. He said he was told that his beliefs were "ridiculous" and that he should wear the sticker or serve a three-day suspension. Hyatt took the three-day suspension, and was fired at a human resources meeting several days later. He then filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and his attorney Stephen Mixon said the agency granted him the right to sue the company in August. The lawsuit, which seeks punitive damages and back pay, said the company forced him into a terrible situation: Keep his job or "abandon his religious beliefs." The company, now known as Berry Plastics Corp., did not return several calls and emails seeking comment. It has yet to respond to the complaint in court. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, November 20, 2011 2:35 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: LETTER: End pointless wolf cull EDMONTON JOURNAL NOVEMBER 20, 2011 LETTER: End pointless wolf cull focus on habitat encroachment http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technology/pointless+wolf+cull/5739855/story.html The Alberta government endorses the killing of wolves to assist in maintaining the viability of the woodland caribou. The province does not, in any substantial way, address the fundamental causes for the decline of the woodland caribou herds. Fundamental causes include habitat encroachment and increased human activity. Without the political will and without the strength of political action to address the fundamental causes for the decline of woodland caribou, the killing of wolves becomes a marginal and insupportable method of preserving the caribou. In fact, the wolf becomes the scapegoat for the lack of will on the part of the Progressive Conservative government to either stop human encroachment and industrial development in caribou habitat; or give up on maintaining the woodland caribou as a viable species in Alberta. Over the past 25 years, little or nothing has been done by this government to stop human encroachment or industrial development in caribou habitat, so it is safe to assume the government is not going to be enacting the kind of widespread protection policies that are needed to boost and sustain caribou numbers in the foreseeable future. It is pretty evident in all aspects of this government's environmental responses that the needs of the natural world are easily sacrificed to the needs of the industrial sectors. Destruction of wolves in Alberta will not prevent the decline of the woodland caribou without the concomitant habitat protection this government has not made a priority in the past, and is unlikely to make a priority in the future. This government must, therefore, stop the killing of wolves. It is a pointless exercise and harmful to the natural woodland ecosystem in which wolves play a crucial role. The caribou are certainly lost anyway. It is not necessary to destroy the wolves as well. Paula Stein, Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, November 20, 2011 2:36 pm From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: MP Maxime Bernier: "giving them a gift of poison." I am resending this post because the first paragraph was somehow omitted. Clive Several things aren't being mentioned in this discussion. Firstly, the only lever the Federal Government has over firearms is criminal law. The only way the feds can control guns is to make them illegal. Secondly, it is the provinces, not the federal government, that gets to regulate property. Thus, any province that wants to can create a long gun registry. However, this provides abundant opportunity to challenge the provincial registry in court, because restricted and non restricted firearms will still be under federal (i.e., criminal) law. This also raises the question of licensing. Would Quebec be using the federal database of firearms licensees to match with their provincial database of non-restricted firearms (or whatever Quebec decides to call it)? I am sure this is a very slippery slope indeed, for it creates a connection between criminal law and regulatory law that does not, indeed cannot exist. Should the feds permit the provinces to have such a list, however obtained, would be grounds for a court case that both levels of government would likely lose, depending upon the corruption of the court. For Quebec to have its own firearms registry there are only two options. Either the federal government gets out of the gun control business and abrogates criminal legislation regarding firearms, thus allowing the provinces to regulate property without criminal sanctions OR the provinces could de-confederate and be free to pass whatever laws their governments can get away with. My own preference is obvious. Clive Edwards Western Block Party Chilliwack - Fraser Canyon 45clive@telus.net >Quebec Public Security Minister Robert Dutil appeared before a Commons committee Thursday to ask the government to keep the registry and simply decriminalize non->compliance. At the very least, he argued, the government should remove the clause that calls for the destruction of data because Quebec would like to use it to set up its ?own registry. "If the unrestricted long-gun registry saves just one life, we are morally justified to continue our efforts to maintain it," he said. > >The cost of having to create a new registry from scratch, he said, would be "prohibitive" and pointless since Quebecers, like all Canadians, have already paid for this >data. Quebec, Dutil said, ultimately wants to reach an agreement with the federal government on the matter and won't "do anything illegal" to get its hands on the records >independently while they still exist. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:43:23 -0700 From: Rocky7 Subject: Laws are NOT made to control crime > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:02:39 -0800 > From: Len Miller > Subject: Laws are NOT made to control crime > > .......... > There are many who recoil, at the mention, as if they have seen a > snake. Lots have taken one bite and died defenceless. > Would a gun have saved them? > I can't say, but Susanna Gratia-Hupp, and Bob and Bonnie Dagenais > will never have the chance to talk it over . . Mary Carpenter is > getting older, as well . . . without her grandkids . . > > .......... > In our declining years, we are witness to an intentional failure to > do the slightest for our safety . . you see, safety was never the > intent . . . ( see John Dixon's comments . . ) it was control . . Yes, indeed. Gun Zombies want control. They are not much interested in facts. It has always been so. I find this speech uplifting and watch it every couple of years. If you haven't seen it, you might also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqXBswFfh6AY There have always been those who think they know everything and believe that your personal freedom and security - and mine - are outdated inconveniences to their majestic plans. R7 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:01:05 -0500 From: TONY KATZ Subject: FW: Thomas Sowell-Occupy Wall street On thy grave the rain shall fall from the eyes of a mighty nation! ~Thomas William Parsons This should be read by everyone. What is missing from Sowell's biographical sketch is the fact that he started out as a Marxist and with education and time realized the terrible flaws in the Marxist theories. This is his hardest hitting commentary to date and is absolutely correct. Thomas Sowell (born June 30, 1930) is an American economist, social theorist, political philosopher, and author. A National Humanities Medal winner, he advocates laissez-faire economics and writes from a libertarian perspective. He is currently a Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow on Public Policy at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. Sowell was born in North Carolina, but grew up in Harlem, New York. He dropped out of high school, and served in the United States Marine Corps during the Korean War. He had received a bachelor's degree from Harvard University in 1958 and a master's degree from Columbia University in 1959. In 1968, he earned his doctorate degree in economics from the University of Chicago. Dr. Sowell has served on the faculties of several universities, including Cornell and University of California, Los Angeles, and worked for "think tanks" such as the Urban Institute. Since 1980 he has worked at the Hoover Institution. He is the author of more than 30 books. By Dr. Sowell The current Occupy Wall Street movement is the best illustration to date of what President Barack Obama's America looks like. It is an America where the lawless, unaccomplished, ignorant and incompetent rule. It is an America where those who have sacrificed nothing pillage and destroy the lives of those who have sacrificed greatly. It is an America where history is rewritten to honor dictators, murderers and thieves. It is an America where violence, racism, hatred, class warfare and murder are all promoted as acceptable means of overturning the American civil society. It is an America where humans have been degraded to the level of animals: defecating in public, having sex in public, devoid of basic hygiene. It is an America where the basic tenets of a civil society, including faith, family, a free press and individual rights, have been rejected. It is an America where our founding documents have been shredded and, with them, every person's guaranteed liberties. It is an America where, ultimately, great suffering will come to the American people, but the rulers like Obama, Michelle Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, liberal college professors, union bosses and other loyal liberal/Communist Party members will live in opulent splendor. It is the America that Obama and the Democratic Party have created with the willing assistance of the American media, Hollywood , unions, universities, the Communist Party of America, the Black Panthers and numerous anti-American foreign entities. Barack Obama has brought more destruction upon this country in four years than any other event in the history of our nation, but it is just the beginning of what he and his comrades are capable of. The Occupy Wall Street movement is just another step in their plan for the annihilation of America . "Socialism, in general, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell - -- ZedNet Technologies visit us at http://www.zed.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:29:57 -0500 From: TONY KATZ Subject: Vic Toews Assistant William Baker was once the top bureaucrat in charge of the firearms program. We are so screwed. Tony Katz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:36:24 -0800 From: Albert4 Subject: Re: the "mark of the beast" Joe Gingrich wrote: > > > The lawsuit, which seeks punitive damages and back pay, said the company > forced him into a terrible situation: Keep his job or "abandon his > religious beliefs." > > The company, now known as Berry Plastics Corp., did not return several > calls and emails seeking comment. It has yet to respond to the > complaint in court. I wonder if this is the same outfit that produces the -- http://www.marstar.ca/am-Berrys/index.shtm -- Berry's Boxes and other accesories? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, November 21, 2011 9:15 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: TStar: Government puts tighter leash on RCMP public statements TORONTO STAR - NOVEMBER 20, 2011 Government puts tighter leash on RCMP public statements By Tonda MacCharles, Ottawa Bureau http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1089656--government-puts-tighter-leash-on-rcmp-public-statements OTTAWA-The federal government may have a fluent bilingual communicator in its new commissioner Bob Paulson. But it has moved to keep Paulson and the Mounties he now leads on a much tighter leash, some even say muzzled. The Star obtained a copy of a new communications protocol that requires the RCMP to flag anything that might "garner national media attention" to Public Safety Canada. Everything from "media advisories, news releases, background info, media lines and talking points for spokespersons and senior officials/members" must be vetted. Statements by RCMP members who appear before parliamentary committees would likely be massaged by the federal government beforehand, as the document clearly defines a "major event" as "an incident, event, announcement, and/or speaking engagement likely to garner national media attention." Signed Sept. 20 and effective immediately, the policy says the Mounties must consult and get approval from Public Safety for communications regarding non-operational matters "PRIOR (emphasis in original) to public use" for almost everything. On "major operational events," all communications need to be shared with Public Safety Canada officials "for information only" prior to public use. According to the document, the goal is to ensure advance notice of "communications activities," "consistent" interdepartmental co-ordination, better "strategic" communications planning, and more "integrated Government of Canada messaging." "The circulation of the information provided will be treated with sensitivity and, as appropriate, will be limited to a select few senior officials at Public Safety Canada." It also requires the RCMP to flag "opportunities" for "ministerial event proposals" - meaning police announcements the minister might like to get in on for public relations purposes. Indeed, the Stephen Harper government has developed a whole protocol for what it calls "MEPs." The protocol extends the reach of those to the RCMP. RCMP commanding officers across the country originally expressed concerns that the protocol might tie their hands in dealing with media on locally important issues, or in issuing statements like Amber Alerts, dangerous persons warnings, or handling local news of raids, or search warrant executions. They have been told it won't. On its face, the document says that communications on major operational events need to be approved by RCMP National HQ Communications and shared with the government, but "consultations with Public Safety Canada should not prevent the RCMP from engaging the public and the media in a timely manner on operational issues." However, some inside the RCMP, including two sources who commented on condition they not be identified, it sounds like a way to gag the Mounties or reduce the RCMP's independence to handle "anything that is controversial," as one insider put it. "We're starting to sound like the House of Commons during question period where they skate around everything and it's all spin, spin, spin," said another. Others such as executive staff relations representative Abe Townsend do not see it as a major shift. "From my point of view," said Townsend, "it doesn't affect our operational ability to provide public safety to Canadians or provide a police service to Canadians-that's what the focus of the vast majority of our members is." Another senior RCMP official, who spoke off the record, said the government just wants to ensure it's not surprised or embarrassed. He said the protocol isn't a threat to real independence. The RCMP, already one of the more notoriously slow and difficult government agencies to respond to requests for information from media, dragged its feet on the Star's inquiries about the new protocol. Indeed, for more than a week after the Star received an anonymous tip, the RCMP declined requests for a copy or comment. On Wednesday, when Paulson was appointed, the RCMP told the Star it would "not be released." Michael Patton, communications director for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews, also shrugged off questions about it, saying there are "a million" protocols. Only after the Star received a leaked copy Friday, and asked again for comment, RCMP media relations emailed the same document and a brief pre-approved statement, saying it merely "builds on existing practices on communications issues of common interest. Effective information sharing between the RCMP and Public Safety ensures that both are well placed to appropriately respond to the public when necessary. The RCMP will continue to provide timely information to the public on matters of public safety," said the statement emailed by Sgt. Greg Cox. Linda Duxbury, an expert on the RCMP and workplace culture within police agencies, said on the day Paulson was named that a longstanding problem at the RCMP is its "culture of silence, organizational silence." She said one of the biggest challenges will be to ensure members feel "safe to speak up." Certainly, individual members of the RCMP are already prevented under the force's disciplinary Code of Conduct from speaking to media without prior internal approvals. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, November 21, 2011 9:34 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: OPP have a long checklist of things hunters should go over THE SUDBURY STAR - NOVEMBER 21, 2011 CRIME STOPPERS TARGET ILLEGAL HUNTING http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3377257 Sudbury Rainbow Crime Stoppers is offering a limited-time cash reward of up to $1,000 for information that leads to the arrest and prosecution of people who participate in the illegal practice of using lights to hunt at night. Often called "jack lighting," the use of a spotlight and a high-powered rifle to hunt big game such as deer, moose and bear at night is illegal. People who jack light often damage fences and crops as they drive the country side in search of animals. When an animal is shot, these hunters often trespass onto private lands to retrieve the animal. Carelessly fired bullets sometimes hit rural buildings and kill livestock. If you have any information about jack lighting, or any other crime, call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477). All calls to Crime Stoppers remain anonymous and you could be eligible for a cash reward. To be eligible for the $1,000 reward, your tip information must lead to a successful resolution to a jack lighting complaint and must be received by midnight Dec. 5. Tips received after that time will revert to the normal Crime Stoppers reward process. BE SAFE WHEN YOU HUNT, URGES OPP Safety should be first and foremost in the minds of anyone participating in deer or moose hunting this fall, cautions the Ontario Provincial Police. "Our detachment members will be working closely with the Ministry of Natural Resources Conservation Officers throughout the hunting season to ensure that hunter safety and ethical hunting practices are in the thoughts of all hunting enthusiasts using Sudbury and Espanola area forests," said Sudbury/ Espanola OPP detachment commander Staff Sgt. Garry Mills, in a news release. The OPP have a long checklist of things hunters should go over before heading out in the bush. They include: * Ensuring that you have the appropriate hunting licences for the game that you will be hunting for. It is your responsibility to know the game possession limits for your hunting area, as well as the hunting season dates for your wildlife management area. * Checking your Firearms Licence (Possession/Acquisition or Possession Only) to make sure that they are current. You must have a current licence to carry a firearm and have it with you. * That all firearms must be registered. Having an unregistered firearm in your possession is an offence. Have your registration certificate, or a copy with your firearm. * When transporting your firearm and ammunition, ensure that both are secured properly. It is an offence to have a loaded firearm in your vehicle, all-terrain vehicle or vessel. All firearms must be unloaded and encased between ? hour after sunset and before sunrise * Wearing hunter orange. All hunters must wear a hunter orange garment and a hunter orange head covering of some sort. The more visible you are -- the safer you will be. * Telling someone where you will be hunting and when you expect to be back. Take a cellphone with you if possible. If you are walking, let someone know where you will park your vehicle. If you become lost or injured, this will save searchers a great deal of valuable time if they know where to start. * If you do get lost -- stay where you are. It will be easier to find you if you stay put. Stay calm, keep warm and wait for help. * Dressing for the weather and wearing proper footwear. Fall weather can often change quickly. * Practising safe firearm handling practices. Treat all guns as if they are loaded. Ensure that you safely carry your firearm. Never let your firearm "cover" anything you are not willing to destroy. Keep the safety on and finger off the trigger until you are actually going to fire. Be sure of your target and beyond. If you are not sure of either, do not fire and wait. You are responsible for the rounds you fire, so make sure of what is beyond your target and what your target is. There may be others in the forest close by. * Showing consideration for others using the forest. If someone approaches you, unload your firearm as a courtesy. If the area is busy, consider a different area to hunt. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #792 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)