Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, November 26 2011 Volume 14 : Number 804 In this issue: 1st and last [none] 'Government must do more' Re: "If you're going to shoot an intruder, use a legal gun"-by Re: "Gun survey would be right on target" V14 #802 Re:"Cops watched porn, skipped work instead of investigating..." Re: If you're going to shoot an intruder, use a legal gun Re: Cops watched porn, skipped work instead of investigating ... Bill C-19 Presentation by Professor Gary Mauser Re: Loaded Guns In Bedroom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, November 25, 2011 10:51 pm From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: 1st and last Lets not forget Gerald Bull, the ballistics genius behind every modern artillery piece in use in the world today. He wanted to build a satellite launching gun and would have done it too, except that the $50 K per launch price was so far below the $5 Mil charged by Aerospace Nationale and NASA that they colluded with the Canadian government to ruin him...three times! He then made a deal with Saddam Hussein. He would get to build his gun for Iraq if he would help them develop ICBM technology. Then the Canadian government assisted the Mossad to assassinate him. Read all about Bull's ballistics: http://www.amazon.com/Crossbow-H-Bomb-Evolution-Weapons-Tactics/dp/0253201616 - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ** Please always use BCC and erase appended address lists when forwarding or sending to groups ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Kirk Gunn Subject: [none] Subject: Re: Clive Edwards - Cdn-Frms V14 #801 References: <20111125164947.B8971284006@scorpion.bogend.ca> In-Reply-To: <20111125164947.B8971284006@scorpion.bogend.ca> Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Well, Clive has smacked the old nail squarely on the head! The government of the day certain can and has bound the hands of subsequent federal & provincial governments, "tradition" notwithstanding! Yes, let us just have a gander at The Constitution Act of 1982, which incorporated the British North America Act of 1867 (our former Constitution). The newer Constitutional document has become the *de facto* Law of the Land, despite the little matter of it not having been signed by the Province of Quebec!  I am certainly no constitutional expert, but my Member of Parliament (constitutional lawyer) years ago opined that the "new" constitution is not "technically" in-force because Quebec won't sign it, but Ottawa pretends that they have, for convenience's sake, and extends Quebec all the rights as if they have signed.  So, really, there is *no* new constitution -- the point being that the Government-of-the-day can do pretty much anything it wants, even if it means "binding the hands of subsequent governments" -- as the Constitution Act of 1982 is meant to -- if Quebec is ever a signatory to it. All governmental sleight-of-hand -- traditions to be broken (examples: "every man's home is his castle; self-defence) or upheld (examples: Victoria Day; the Monarch of UK being the Monarch of Canada) at the whim of Ottawa. In the meantime, let Mr. Harper's government institute so many interlocking, interdependent statutes that, like changing the Constitution ( which shouldn't really be in-force because of Quebec opting-out), it will be almost impossible to unravel the intent of the Conservative Party's legislation. Just a thought or two to disturb the cesspool ... Cheers, Kirk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:46:18 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: 'Government must do more' http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/11/24/government-must-do-more 'Government must do more' By Tanara McLean ,Edmonton Sun First posted: Thursday, November 24First posted: Thursday, November 24 After calling a review of contentious land use legislation, Premier Alison Redford has set a task force to garner additional feedback from Albertans. Redford made the announcement Thursday at a packed Alberta Association of Municipal Districts and Counties (AAMDC) meeting in Edmonton. "Government must do more to protect your property rights and guarantee fair compensation. This government will," said Redford to a round of applause. Environment and Water Minister Diana McQueen will head the eight-person property rights task force, comprised of other government ministers and MLAs. The panel will start meeting with stakeholders in December, followed by a series of open houses beginning in January 2012. Residents can also submit comments online. Alberta politicians are currently set to debate amendments to the Assembly Project Area Act - a law that gives government the right to use private land for future public infrastructure projects. Changes to the act would clarify which types of projects are covered under the law, and establishes a landowner's right to go through the courts to receive compensation. "Landowners will receive all applicable compensation under the Expropriation Act, from the moment their land is designated as part of a project, and they will be able to trigger that process when the timing makes sense for them, not when it makes sense to the government," said Redford. Former premier Ed Stelmach received backlash from landowner groups and the Wildrose Party for introducing a trio of major land use legislation, including the Electric Statutes Amendment Act and the Land Stewardship Act. During her leadership campaign, Redford promised reviews of those bills. Wildrose Party Leader Danielle Smith said while the reviews are a step in the right direction, it ultimately does nothing to reassure landowners. "(We've) called for the repeal of these three bills because we don't think that they can be salvaged," said Smith. "I think it's quite clear that they (government) made a grievous error in the construction of these bills and I think that any delay is unnecessary." During her AAMDC speech, Redford also announced $1.3 million towards increasing connectivity capacity to the SuperNet system. The cash injection results in about $200 more a month for funding per school, and overall "faster service and lower network costs." "You should never be more than a click away from the information you need," said Redford. SuperNet currently services 429 schools, libraries and public facilities across the province with multi-platform technology like videoconferencing and Internet service. tanara.mclean@sunmedia.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:04:07 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: "If you're going to shoot an intruder, use a legal gun"-by Matt Gurnty/Nat. Post- V14 #802 References: <20111126031300.3E290284005@scorpion.bogend.ca> In-Reply-To: <20111126031300.3E290284005@scorpion.bogend.ca> Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Likely not being familiar with the firearms laws and their administration, it's easy for the writer to recommend registration of a handgun, which I'd wage has a barrel less than 4.25 inches. Most handguns purchased for the purpose of self-defence are chosen for ease of use and practical accuracy at close quarters, are under that length. Clearly, making self-defence illegal, or at least legally impractical, was the over riding purpose of both Mulroney's C-17 and 1991/Chretien's C-68. No other purpose is deducible from outlawing those, who the government has vetted to be a responsible citizen, from owning/possessing smaller handguns. Prior to the C-17/C-68, the police may have returned the handgun to it's owner with the proviso that he agreed to register it, which they would facilitate. After, all it's use was legitimate and this citizen is not a danger to anyone, except a violent criminal. The Common-Law right had not yet been overtly criminalized. No the sentence, light as it seems to be...the destruction of the handgun is the gov't'.s main purpose. It's to make sure he can't defend himself in the future. Secondly, the publicity is to alert criminals, including the convicted attacker, that the 73 year old man is now defenceless. Having innocent victims of crime is the main government justification for the largest tax expenditure in every city government, the police department. Since the wording of the Firearms Act advises the Chief Firearms Officer to reject a licence applications in such cases, should Mr. Foster have applied for a licence and registration, as an ordinary citizen, listing the purpose for self-defence, what would be the realistic chance of that being granted? Between zero and none. Most likely, the purpose of the article(using the writers naivite´,) is to try and get the naive to attempt to register a self-defence handgun, so it may more easily be confiscated before it is used to endanger a violent criminal. The federal governments new bill to amend the law on self-defence does not, on purpose, mention firearms. It's practical import is largely to protect those who are physically stronger (or numerically so), from stopping a criminal. For those weaker, more vulnerable than their attacker(s), their status remains inferior,a victim, as a matter of government policy. On 25-Nov-11, at 9:13 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, November 25, 2011 12:59 pm > From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" > Subject: If you're going to shoot an intruder, use a legal gun by > Matt Gurney > > NATIONAL POST - FULL COMMENT - NOVEMBER 25, 2011, 10:10 AM ET > If you're going to shoot an intruder, use a legal gun by Matt Gurney > http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/11/25/matt-gurney-if-youre- going-to-shoot-an-intruder-use-a-legal-gun/ > > Phillip Foster, 73, a retired Canadian diplomat, has been sentenced > to house > arrest after a 2010 self-defence incident in his home. Foster was > attacked > in his home by a drunk former romantic partner of one of Foster's > daughters. > The attacker, Richard Dean Cantwell, assaulted Foster and was smashing > Foster's possessions. Foster armed himself with a .22-calibre > revolver - a > potent, if relatively low-powered, firearm. Cantwell attacked Foster, > knocking him to the ground, and Foster shot Cantwell in the leg. > Cantwell > was able to wrest the gun from Foster, but fled the scene. He > survived his > injury. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:09:33 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: "Gun survey would be right on target" V14 #802 Impressive and honest for a police officer nowadays. After this letter, he'll be lucky to keep his job. On 25-Nov-11, at 9:13 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:07:39 -0500 > From: Bill > Subject: Gun survey would be right on target > > http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e382612#postbox > > Gun survey would be right on target ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:34:50 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re:"Cops watched porn, skipped work instead of investigating..." V14 #803 References: <20111126054004.15D99284005@scorpion.bogend.ca> In-Reply-To: <20111126054004.15D99284005@scorpion.bogend.ca> Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Right on Clive. "I've got your back" should be the title of a book or film on her. It's what we hope every serving officer promises to the public in their mind each day, on the way to work. After this, perhaps, the federal government will see fit to award this officer an Order of Canada. (Along with Cpl. Robert Read) I'm such an optimist. On 25-Nov-11, at 11:40 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:30:33 -0800 > From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> > Subject: Cops watched porn, skipped work instead of investigating ... > > ...missing women: Galliford > > Many readers of the digest are aware of the quirky fantasy > mentioned below. > That is merely sick. What is unforgivable is the dereliction of > duty that > caused an additional 18 women to die. The Missing Women's Task > Force is, in > effect, more deserving of censure than Gamil Gharbi of > Polytechnique infamy. > I have copied the entire article below for those who have been > unable to > find it. > > Clive Edwards > Western Block Party > Chilliwack - Fraser Canyon > 45clive@telus.net > > > > RCMP Cpl. Catherine Galliford, the former calm, professional voice > and face > of the Missing Women Task Force, said Tuesday she knows her > evidence will be > "explosive" when she appears at the Missing Women Commission of > Inquiry. > > Read more: > http://www.theprovince.com/news/Cops+watched+porn+skipped+work+instead+investigating+missing+women+Galliford/5752470/story.html#ixzz1emX2LNTC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 05:28:27 -0500 From: tliner Subject: Re: If you're going to shoot an intruder, use a legal gun what a bunch of hooey this article is. they start by saying he did everything textbook perfect in self defence but he ended up being charged with assault with a weapon anyway. one completely contradicts the other and the final charge has nothing to do with possession of an unregistered restricted firearm. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:59 AM Subject: If you're going to shoot an intruder, use a legal gun by Matt Gurney > NATIONAL POST - FULL COMMENT - NOVEMBER 25, 2011, 10:10 AM ET > If you're going to shoot an intruder, use a legal gun by Matt Gurney > http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/11/25/matt-gurney-if-youre-going-to-shoot-an-intruder-use-a-legal-gun/ > > Phillip Foster, 73, a retired Canadian diplomat, has been sentenced to > house > arrest after a 2010 self-defence incident in his home. Foster was attacked > in his home by a drunk former romantic partner of one of Foster's > daughters. > The attacker, Richard Dean Cantwell, assaulted Foster and was smashing > Foster's possessions. Foster armed himself with a .22-calibre revolver - a > potent, if relatively low-powered, firearm. Cantwell attacked Foster, > knocking him to the ground, and Foster shot Cantwell in the leg. Cantwell > was able to wrest the gun from Foster, but fled the scene. He survived his > injury. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 05:17:08 -0800 From: Albert4 Subject: Re: Cops watched porn, skipped work instead of investigating ... > RCMP Cpl. Catherine Galliford, the former calm, professional voice and face > of the Missing Women Task Force, said Tuesday she knows her evidence will be > "explosive" when she appears at the Missing Women Commission of Inquiry. > > Galliford, 44, is slated to testify at the inquiry in January, but says she > won't be testifying for the RCMP, but rather on behalf of the victims. And now you know why the government is funding so many lawyers to act for the police forces and the individual cops. She's going to get a rough go of it, on the stand. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, November 26, 2011 10:01 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Bill C-19 Presentation by Professor Gary Mauser STANDING COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND NATIONAL SECURITY Thursday, November 24, 2011 - MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS - Meeting No. 14 http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=5272696&Langu age=E&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=1 The Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security met by videoconference at 11:00 a.m. this day, in Room C-120, 1 Wellington Street, the Vice-Chair, Randall Garrison, presiding. Members of the Committee present: Jay Aspin, Sylvain Chicoine, Randall Garrison, Candice Hoeppner, Ryan Leef, Marie-Claude Morin, Brent Rathgeber, Jasbir Sandhu, Francis Scarpaleggia and Wai Young. Acting Members present: Scott Armstrong for Rick Norlock, Françoise Boivin for Marie-Claude Morin, Garry Breitkreuz for Brent Rathgeber, Jack Harris for Sylvain Chicoine and Bob Zimmer for Wai Young. In attendance: Library of Parliament: Tanya Dupuis, Analyst; Cynthia Kirkby, Analyst. Witnesses: As an individual: Gary Mauser, Professor Emeritus, Institute for Canadian Urban Research Studies, Simon Fraser University. Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation: Greg Illerbrun, Firearms Chairman, Past-President; Kevin Omoth. Students and Graduates of Polytechnique for Gun Control: Nathalie Provost; Heidi Rathjen, Spokesperson. As individuals: Étienne Blais, Associate Professor, School of Criminology, University of Montreal; Caillin Langmann, Emergency Medicine Resident, Fellowship Program of the Royal College of Physicians Canada, Division of Emergency Medicine, McMaster University; Duane Rutledge, Sergeant, K-9 Unit, New Glasgow Police Service. Association québécoise de prévention du suicide: Bruno Marchand, Director General. Fédération des femmes du Québec: Eve-Marie Lacasse, Main Coordinator; Manon Monastesse, Managing Director, Fédération de ressources d'hébergement pour femmes violentées et en difficulté du Québec. - ---------------------------------- PRESENTATION BY GARY MAUSER Professor Emeritus, Institute for Canadian Urban Research Studies, Simon Fraser University Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of the committee and fellow panellists. I appreciate this opportunity to appear before you. I am Gary Mauser, professor emeritus, Simon Fraser University. I am here as an individual criminologist to present facts, not myths. I'll use my time to highlight a few issues referred to in the longer written brief I have provided to the clerk. For the past twenty-five years, as an academic, I have focused on evaluating firearms legislation. The government is to be congratulated for proposing that the long-gun registry be eliminated. When a government program has failed to meet its goals, it should be shut down rather than be permitted to drain funds for no good reason. In my brief, I address four points: (1) Responsible gun owners are less likely to be accused of homicide than other Canadians; (2) The police have not been able to demonstrate the value of long-gun registry; (3) The long-gun registry has not been effective in reducing homicide; and (4) The data in the long-gun registry are of poor quality and should be destroyed. In sum, bill C-19 deserves support because the evidence demonstrates that scrapping the long-gun registry will not reduce public safety and may even improve it. 1. LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE ACCUSED OF HOMICIDE THAN OTHER CANADIANS. This should not surprise: Firearms owners have been screened for criminal records since 1979, and it has been illegal since 1992 for people with a violent record to own a firearm. Gun owners may be compared with other Canadians by calculating the homicide rate per 100,000. Based on a Special Request from Statistics Canada, I calculated that licensed gun owners had a homicide rate of 0.60 per 100,000 licensed gun owners. Over the same period, there was an average national homicide rate of 1.85 per 100,000 people in the general population. Thus, Canadians who do not have a firearms licence are roughly three times more likely to commit murder than those who do. Despite the above facts, the RCMP budgets over $20 million annually for the long-gun registry. 2. THE POLICE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THE VALUE OF LONG-GUN REGISTRY. Scrapping the registry could not appreciably compromise law enforcement's ability to trace firearms. Statistics show that police recover registered long-guns in only 2 percent of all homicides. During the eight years from 2003 to 2010, there were 4,811 homicides; 1,485 of those involved firearms. Data provided by Statistics Canada reveal that only 135 were registered. In just 73 cases – that is only 4.9 percent of all firearm homicides – was the gun registered to the accused, and some of those may be innocent. Only 45 of these 73 cases involved long-guns; this corresponds to less than 1 percent of all homicides. Eliminating the long-gun registry could not “significantly compromise” law enforcement's ability to trace firearms in Canada. The police have not been able to show that they have identified a single murderer by tracing a firearm using the long-gun registry. Nor has the long-gun registry proved useful in solving police killings. Since 1961, 123 police have been shot and killed. Only one of these murders involved a registered long gun, and it did not belong to the murderer. The registry is not complete enough to help police or courts. My best estimate is that approximately 50% of firearms in Canada are registered. It is a truism that the most dangerous criminals have not registered their firearms. Unsurprisingly, serving police officers say the registry is not useful to them. Worse, the long-gun registry has reduced the effectiveness of the police by driving a wedge between them and responsible citizens who own firearms. Claims that the police use the long-gun registry 17,000 times daily are disingenuous; this confuses the long-gun registry with the CFRO (Canadian Firearms Registry On-line); the RCMP’s website states that 98% of the queries to the CFRO concern licensing, not the registry. 3. THE LONG-GUN REGISTRY HAS NOT BEEN EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING HOMICIDE RATES. There is no convincing evidence that the registry has reduced criminal violence. Not a single refereed academic study by criminologists or economists has found a significant benefit from the gun laws. Two examples illustrate this: The homicide rate fell faster before all long guns were required to be registered in 2003. The homicide rate fell 31% from 1991 to 2002 and just 7% from 2003 to 2010. The homicide rate fell somewhat faster in the US than in Canada over same time period (that is, 1991 to 2010). Needless to say, the US did not share Canadian gun laws. The homicide rate fell 51% in the US vs. 40% in Canada from the peak in 1991. The rate of multiple murders has not changed since the long-gun registry began. 4. THE DATA IN THE LONG-GUN REGISTRY ARE OF POOR QUALITY AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED. The many errors and omissions in the long-gun registry vitiate its utility for police and courts. The Auditor General found that the RCMP could not rely upon the registry on account of the large number of errors and omissions (Auditor General 2002). In 2002, the RCMP reported error rates between 43% and 91% in registry information and firearms applications. An ATI request discovered that 4,438 stolen firearms had been successfully re-registered without alerting authorities. Apparently, the thieves had resold the firearms to new owners who (unsuspectingly) had subsequently registered them (Breitkreuz, 2003). [This unacceptably high error rate was verified in 2006 by OAG]. The irregularities in gun registration stem from multiple causes that remain inherent in a registration system. Even if the RCMP has improved data processing since the evaluations, these problems will persist. In closing, I wish to thank you for your attention and leave you with these thoughts: The long-gun registry is misdirected because it focuses on law-abiding citizens rather than violent criminals. To do their job, police require the support of those they police. Ending the registry will help to heal the rupture between the police and responsible citizens who own firearms. I urge that Bill C-19 become law and the data in the long-gun registry destroyed. BTW: There is precedent for destroying these data. Long guns were registered during World War 2; when the war was over, the government tossed the records. Thank you. NOTE: Professor Mauser's presentation complete with all 14 footnotes will soon be posted on the National Firearms Association website: http://www.nfa.ca/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:50:15 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Loaded Guns In Bedroom AFAIK? the jury can override any judges instructions and deny them. The jury has ultimate rights in their decisions regardless of what any judge says. However Canadians are so cowed by the just-a** system they are afraid to stand up for their beliefs. ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Parkinson" To: Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: re: Loaded Guns In Bedroom > > Hold on a second here and if I sound naive which is entirely possible > please > let me know the real story. If a Judge who is 'supposed "to be impartial > and > only explain the finer points of the law to the jurors actually instructed > the jury to find the accused guilty, is that not grounds for a mistrial on > juror prejudice or something like that?? > > "and I even had a jury trial, but the judge directed the jury to convict > on > that charge. - -and yes, I know the judge isn't supposed to tell the jury > what to do" > > Ian Parkinson > > "Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." (A sword is > never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.) -- Lucius Annaeus > Seneca, circa 45 AD > > ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #804 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)