Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, December 5 2011 Volume 14 : Number 821 In this issue: open letter to Ron Charach Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #819 Re: From the Collections: BREN Mark I Re: Politics and organized crime Re: Politics and organized crime : BREN Mark I Hunters happy to share bounty with others CEP women's conference targets violence against women Re: From the Collections: BREN Mark I Re: CEP women's conference targets violence against women Letter to Ottawa Citizen ... (just sent) Forgive them Father for they know not what they do HILL TIMES: Income tax files can replace gun sale records, ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:36:16 -0800 From: Len Miller Subject: open letter to Ron Charach Mr. Charach . . poet, shrink exraordinaire Have you answered MY challenge and tried the Loaded gun/ Pit Bull test yet? Until you do, I do not recognize anything you might say on 'gun control' you may know dogs . . you don't know guns . . You were noticeably silent on the Bob/Bonnie Dagenais killings . . May we have your take on them being defenseless when death came knocking . ?? you had a chance to speak and didn't . . why now? Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [Winnipeg Freep][Letters]Propelled down fatal path http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/propelled-down-fatal-path-134896643.html Propelled down fatal path Posted: 12/2/2011 1:00 AM | Comments: 3 (including replies) Tragedies like the shooting of a Winnipeg woman visiting Toronto or a Manitoba farmer's five-year-old shooting his four-year-old are, thank goodness, still rare in Canada. They are anything but rare in the United States, where each and every year, nearly as many people get shot as die in fatal car accidents. With Bill C-19 our pretend Public Safety Minister Vic Toews (a Manitoban, no less) will propel us along the same fatal direction the U.S. has taken. His move to include under the harmless rubric "long gun" the likes of the Ruger Mini (like the one used by Quebec's Marc Lepine or Norway's Anders Breivik) virtually guarantees a repeat of massacres like the one that brought Canada gun control in the first place. Even Manitoba Opposition MPs who favoured abolishing the long-gun registry can see that the Harper government is going way too far with Bill C-19, and that their burning desire to burn hard-earned government records, long ago paid for by Canadian taxpayers, can only complicate police work and imperil the public. RON CHARACH Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:19:39 -0400 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #819 On 04/12/11 01:06, Barry wrote: > No gun owner I know ever wanted to be on any list, inert or not, in the > first place. The potential for this information to fall into the wrong > hands outweighs any perceived benefit. Its already in the wrong hands: Those of government, who WILL abuse this information unless it is deleted. Of course they will still have all our personal info after the Long Gun portion of the registry has met its well deserved fate. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:21:46 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: From the Collections: BREN Mark I Please correct me if I'm wrong,? but didn't the Bren gun use British .303 cartridges ? the same cartridges as used in the Lee-Enfield bolt action service rifle ? So any soldier carrying extra magazines loaded for the Bren could use them in his Lee-Enfield if the situation required ? sounds to me like a plan? ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:38 AM Subject: From the Collections: BREN Mark I > BRANT NEWS - DECEMBER 3, 2011 > From the Collections By Bob Gordon > http://www.brantnews.com/index.cfm?pagenews§ionread&articleId875 > > Brant News is proud to present the first instalment of an ongoing series > highlighting historic artifacts on display at Brantford's Military > Heritage Museum. The BREN gun was the standard light machine gun of > all British Commonwealth forces, including the Canadian Army, during > the Second World War. It was mounted on ships and vehicles, as well > as carried by the infantry. The BREN gun is easily recognized by its > curved, top-mounted magazine. > > The gun was operated by a two-man team. "Number 1," the gunner, carried > and fired the weapon. The "Number 2" carried a spare barrel and tool kit, > along with extra magazines. He was responsible for reloading the gun and > changing the barrel when it overheated during rapid fire. Mounted on its > bipod, the BREN gun was accurate up to 550 metres. Ammunition for the > BREN was so important that every soldier in a squad carried two extra > magazines in their kit to feed the BREN team. Canadian and British > soldiers wore a web kit with the two front pockets specifically designed > to carry BREN gun magazines. > > The weapon's most significant weakness was the distinctive top-mounted > vertical magazine. It was prominent, particularly when it shook as the > weapon fired. To prevent detection, the magazine was often not mounted > until the weapon was about to be fired. > > Over half of all BREN guns produced were manufactured in Canada. The John > S. Inglis plant in Brantford began manufacturing them in 1940. The rare, > tripod mounted BREN Mark I, pictured above, is on display at the Canadian > Military Heritage Museum. This particular weapon was manufactured at > Inglis Brantford in 1945 for the Chinese Nationalist Army. It has > Cantonese characters inscribed on the ejector assembly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:28:06 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Politics and organized crime Ho hum its the same in Ontario..ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry James Fillo" To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:19 PM Subject: Politics and organized crime > The following refers to the Quebec Inquiry into organized crime and > the construction industry. > > Quebec, is unique, it's politics are something else. Fortunately, > their influence federally is diminished somewhat. > > " Once again, the powerful get to raft while the public gets the shaft. > > In Quebec, a public inquiry is finally going to be held into > suspicions of deep corruption and collusion between organized crime, > politicians and the multibillion-dollar construction industry. > > But, alas, the probative powers given the presiding judge, France > Charbonneau, are so limited that some commentators are putting > quotation marks around the phrase �public inquiry.� > > Charbonneau will not be able to compel witnesses to testify or to > offer them legal immunity for any incriminating testimony. Moreover, > key parts of the investigation will be held behind closed doors. " > > S.P. columnist/lawyer Bronwyn Eyre. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:52:48 -0400 From: Al Muir Subject: Re: Politics and organized crime > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:19:29 -0600 > From: Larry James Fillo > Subject: Politics and organized crime There's a difference? [Mod Note: Not that I am aware of] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:42:23 -0600 From: Subject: : BREN Mark I > Please correct me if I'm wrong,? but didn't the Bren gun use British .303 > cartridges ? the same cartridges as used in the Lee-Enfield bolt action > service rifle ? It first come out in the 303 round and in 1950 was chambered for the 7.62 x 51 NATO round then in the 1980's it was chambered for the NATO 5.56 x 41 round or the .223 as I understand it. The magazines were not inter changeable from what I remember. They would have to have reloaded them during combat, something that would have taken time and some lives I am sure. > So any soldier carrying extra magazines loaded for the Bren could use them > in his Lee-Enfield if the situation required ? Scottie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, December 4, 2011 12:16 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Hunters happy to share bounty with others THE CHRONICLE-HERALD - DECEMBER 4, 2011 Hunters happy to share bounty with others Program helps meat get to N.S. food banks By AARON BESWICK Truro Bureau http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/39230-hunters-happy-share-bounty-others TATAMAGOUCHE - Bob Reeves watched the eight-point buck for a month before raising the old .303 Lee-Enfield rifle to his shoulder. First he showed his two sons where the deer had scraped the ground and rubbed its antlers against trees, explaining to them the animal was in rut and marking its territory. Each evening he felt able, Reeves was in his deer stand, inhaling the sights, sounds and smells of fall. Twice he watched the buck walk past, savouring its grace. Finally, last week, he showed his sons how to kill and clean their winter's meat. "He wasn't paying attention, he was following the scent of a doe. Like most men, I suppose," Reeves said of when he fired a single bullet into the buck's heart. The past six years have taught Reeves a lot about patience. First came the diagnosis of cancer. Then came the chemotherapy, surgeries, loss of hearing in one ear, a cane and accepting that he'll be fighting his rare form of the disease for the rest of his life. "It puts a lot in perspective," he said. "There's a lot I want to give my children, and a big part of it is the outdoors. I grew up hunting and fishing, knowing where meat comes from, and I want them to have that." He also wants them to know that even when you don't have much, you share what you have. So on Saturday, he told Phil Huston, his Tatamagouche butcher, to send some of his deer meat to Feed Nova Scotia's Hunters Helping the Hungry program. "I haven't been able to work since I was diagnosed and am barely above going to the food bank myself some weeks," Reeves said. "So it makes it easier to identify with those who could use some good lean meat." Huston has been contributing deer meat on behalf of hunters to Feed Nova Scotia since it started its venison program six years ago. This season he expects to donate over 200 kilograms in one- to two-kilogram bags of stew meat and hamburger. "So much of the food people get at food banks is canned or boxed, but this is clean, fresh, healthy meat for people's tables," Huston said. "There are elderly who used to hunt but now have no other way to get venison, and people in Halifax who've never had wild meat before." Contributions through a network of qualified butchers around the province have grown annually since the program began, and reached 735 kilograms last year. Dianne Swinemar, executive director of Feed Nova Scotia, said it fits into the organization's campaign to provide a majority of fresh food, rather than non-perishable items, to food bank users. "Fifty-two per cent of what we send out is now fresh product, so we're getting there," said Swinemar, adding that clients can choose not to take the venison. abeswick@herald.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, December 4, 2011 2:26 pm From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: CEP women's conference targets violence against women PRESS RELEASE CEP women's conference targets violence against women Canada NewsWire - OTTAWA, Dec. 4, 2011 http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/511150 Highlights include address by the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean; Dec. 6th march and rally OTTAWA, Dec. 4, 2011 /CNW/ - One of Canada's largest unions, the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union, is bringing together more than 350 women from across Canada for a conference at the Westin hotel, Dec. 4-6. The event will feature the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, former Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada, as keynote speaker, as well as a march to Parliament Hill to mark the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women. At 8:30 am on Dec. 6, the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, Co-President of the Michaëlle Jean Foundation, will deliver the keynote address. During her speech, she will describe her experience establishing shelters for battered women in Quebec, and speak about the importance of using the arts to engage young Canadians in the struggle against violence against women. At 10 am on Dec. 6, conference participants will march to Parliament Hill, where they will be joined by other pro-gun-registry demonstrators from Quebec, including relatives of victims of the " Montreal massacre" and members of the Coalition for Gun Control. "The gun control law is a monument erected to the memory of our daughters," says Suzanne Laplante-Edward, mother of Anne-Marie who was killed on Dec. 6, 1989 at Montreal's École Polytechnique, in a massacre of 14 women by a lone gun man. Laplante-Edward will be speaking at the rally along with Wendy Sol, CEP Western Region Administrative Vice-President, Dr.Wendy Cukier, President of the Coalition for Gun Control, and representatives from all three opposition parties. The conference will also feature workshops and speakers on safety and streetproofing for women, cyberstalking, the gun registry, and more. To view the complete conference agenda, click here: http://www.cep.ca/docs/en/111201-final-agenda-e.pdf MONDAY DECEMBER 5TH 9:00 – 10.30 a.m. Panel on the Prevention of Violence: • Heidi Illingworth, Executive Director, Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime, on cyberstalking. • Madeleine Beaudet, Quebec Co‐ordinator, and Sylvie Haviernick, Coalition for Gun Control • Q & A 15 minutes 10.45 – Noon World Café #2 – Protecting Ourselves (2 topics – Cyberstalking and the Gun Registry) 1.30 – 3:00 p.m. Safety and Streetproofing: • Cori Slaughter, Staff Sergeant, Ottawa Police Services - -------------------------- NATIONAL POST - FULL COMMENT - DECEMBER 2, 2011, 2:16 PM ET How the gun registry became a Princess Di for the Canadian left by Jonathan Kay http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/12/02/jonathan-kay-how-the-gun-registry-became-a-princess-di-for-the-canadian-left/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:42:14 -0800 From: Albert4 Subject: Re: From the Collections: BREN Mark I <3514AFB23AF54B3F8D3FA5EB60A01BB1@OwnerPC> In-Reply-To: <3514AFB23AF54B3F8D3FA5EB60A01BB1@OwnerPC> Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Yes the soldier could _could_ use the cartridges for his Lee Enfield. But not the magazines. mred wrote: > Please correct me if I'm wrong,? but didn't the Bren gun use British .303 > cartridges ? the same cartridges as used in the Lee-Enfield bolt action > service rifle ? > > So any soldier carrying extra magazines loaded for the Bren could use them > in his Lee-Enfield if the situation required ? > > sounds to me like a plan? > > ed/on > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis& Hazel Young" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:38 AM > Subject: From the Collections: BREN Mark I ...... >> bipod, the BREN gun was accurate up to 550 metres. Ammunition for the >> BREN was so important that every soldier in a squad carried two extra >> magazines in their kit to feed the BREN team. Canadian and British >> soldiers wore a web kit with the two front pockets specifically designed >> to carry BREN gun magazines. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:24:43 -0700 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: CEP women's conference targets violence against women At , you wrote: > PRESS RELEASE > CEP women's conference targets violence against women > Canada NewsWire - OTTAWA, Dec. 4, 2011 > http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/511150 > > Highlights include address by the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean; > Dec. 6th march and rally > > OTTAWA, Dec. 4, 2011 /CNW/ - One of Canada's largest unions, the > Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union, is bringing together > more than 350 women from across Canada for a conference at the Westin > hotel, Dec. 4-6. The event will feature the Right Honourable > Michaelle Jean, former Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of > Canada, as keynote speaker, as well as a march to Parliament Hill to > mark the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against > Women. > > At 8:30 am on Dec. 6, the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, > Co-President of the Michaelle Jean Foundation, will deliver the > keynote address. During her speech, she will describe her experience > establishing shelters for battered women in Quebec, and speak about > the importance of using the arts to engage young Canadians in the > struggle against violence against women. > > At 10 am on Dec. 6, conference participants will march to Parliament > Hill, where they will be joined by other pro-gun-registry > demonstrators from Quebec, including relatives of victims of the > "Montreal massacre" and members of the Coalition for Gun Control. "The > gun control law is a monument erected to the memory of our daughters," > says Suzanne Never mind the 20,000 or more gun owners that marched in the Fed Up 1 rally and were ignored by Ms (the debate is over) McLellan and the media. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:42:36 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Letter to Ottawa Citizen ... (just sent) Registry bill is soft on weapons ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, Susan Riley speaks to "flawed public policy", but completely overlooks the single most flawed piece of legislative dreck ever to disgrace the Parliament of Canada -- The Canadian Firearms Act of 1995 with its now infamous registry and Charter infringments. Veering away from the path of balanced and unbiased coverage of the firearms file, Riley attempts to lend credence to the emotional approach to public policy. It was the Liberals, and not the Conservatives who failed to use an evidence based approach to firearms legislation, and their so-called "improvements" to an already effective regime (FAC) have driven a wedge between Canadians for years. Sorry, Ms. Riley, but your rhetoric is simply not convincing. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, December 4, 2011 11:26 pm From: "Al Muir" Subject: Forgive them Father for they know not what they do I have copied below an article from the Federation Journal of the NSFAH. What stands out in the article is Rodgers' characterization of C-19 as "a much tougher bill to swallow" then C-391 due to the fact that it requires the destruction of collected records. But how could the "registry" be repealed without that destruction? The short answer is that it could not be. This begs the question as to why not only Rodgers' NSFAH, but the other Wildlife Federations, the CSSA and the NFA were tripping over themselves to support C-391. Is it, to use Rogers own words, that these groups "only now realize" that their support of C-391 was a grave error? If that is the case, would it not be prudent to also doubt their wisdom in supporting C-19, a Bill that continues to criminalize a very large number of Canadian gun owners? Many of us may recall in the beginning of this long struggle against the Firearms Act, the difficulty in being heard even in the right (Conservative) leaning media. At this point, these "gun owner supporting groups" have consumed the "long gun registry" kool-aid to the point where now the Conservative media simply turns a blind eye to the voices that warn that criminalization of licensing infractions is the real villain. A kind of "censorship by omission". The costs and failures of the Firearms Act provided a finite amount of political capital that the "support groups" are proving to be willing to squander on the "long gun registry". With no foresight or planning they have proposed a more later approach without retaining any means of achieving it. Forget Rodgers' February, it is the long wait after it that gun owners must dread. Such is the path they have laid out for us. Al ARTICLE: End to the Long Gun Registry The final dying breaths of the NDP and Liberals could be heard in the federal public safety committee meetings as they both pleaded with the majority conservative government to keep the infamous long gun registry or at least make changes that would allow the provinces to set up their own. It was satisfying to hear the painful statements of the opposition who only now realize that if they had passed a previous bill to end the long gun registry C-391 a private members bill last fall that they would not find themselves with a much tougher bill to swallow. Provisions to destroy the records of the long gun registry did not exist in C-391 as they do in this new government Bill C-19 along with a few other changes. The Bill has now gone through 1st and 2nd reading. The public security committee has heard from witnesses for and against the bill and the committee has completed clause by clause study of the bill. The next step is to send it back to the House of Commons for 3rd reading. After that it will be sent to the senate. The time line is not looking good for a Christmas passing of the bill. It is more likely that it will be passed in February. That time line takes in the early closure for Christmas of Parliament and the long holiday period and by the time it takes in the senate. There is always a chance that the Liberals in the senate my try and drag this out. However, after 17 years to living with this legislation I can wait until February. Merry Christmas everyone. And remember the old rules still apply until C-19 has finished the fill course of legislation. For additional information on the long gun registry contact: Tony Rodgers Executive Director Nova Scotia Federation of Anglers & Hunters 902-477-8898 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, December 5, 2011 8:34 am From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: HILL TIMES: Income tax files can replace gun sale records, ... ... says Tory MP Hoeppner THE HILL TIMES ONLINE - DECEMBER 5, 2011 Income tax files can replace gun sale records, says Tory MP Hoeppner By TIM NAUMETZ Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner surprises MPs, says end of mandatory records for gun sales could be supplanted with income-tax records of gun dealers http://www.hilltimes.com/news/2011/12/05/income-tax-files-can-replace-gun-sale-records-says-tory-mp-hoeppner/29028?page_requested=1 Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government remained under bitter criticism for its sweeping plan to disable the federal long-gun registry as annual commemorative ceremonies approached for the 14 female students killed by a rampaging gunman at a Montreal engineering school 22 years ago this Tuesday, Dec. 6. After two weeks of criticism from vocal members of gun-control organizations, including students and graduates of L'Ecole Polytechnique, site of the massacre, Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner (Portage-Lisgar, Man.) incited more fury, and astonishment, when she said last week the end of mandatory records for gun sales could be supplanted with income-tax records of gun dealers. As fine print in the government's legislation to end the registry and destroy its entire computerized record system became clear during final hearings at the Commons Public Safety and National Security Committee, opponents welcomed Ms. Hoeppner's acknowledgement of an end to reliable firearms transfer and ownership records, but expressed amazement she could propose income tax records as a replacement. Ms. Hoeppner, the Parliamentary Secretary to Public Safety Minister Vic Toews (Provencher, Man.) assigned to steer Bill C-19 swiftly through the committee, made the comment while debating NDP MP Jack Harris (St. John's East, Nfld.) and Liberal MP Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis, Que.) on CBC's Power and Politics with Evan Solomon. "There is nothing in Bill C-19 that will change the requirements for individuals to have a licence to own any kind of firearm, nor the fact that it remains a criminal offence, punishable by jail, imprisonment, to transfer a firearm to anyone without a licence," said Ms. Hoeppner, despite arguments from gun-control advocates that Bill C-19 amendments to the 1995 Firearms Act may make it nearly impossible to investigate and prosecute illegal gun sales and ownership. "Store owners continue to keep records, they keep records for a multitude of purposes, including income tax purposes, including inventory purposes," Ms. Hoeppner said. The claim drew exclamations of disbelief from Ms. Hoeppner's opposition critics. "Imagine in a crisis, dealing with a gun, imagine dealing with CRA [Canada Customs and Revenue Agency]," Mr. Scarpaleggia told The Hill Times. NDP MP Francoise Boivin (Gatineau, Que.) was equally alarmed by the comments from Ms. Hoeppner, who did not respond to a telephone request for an interview about her income-tax reference and other aspects of the controversy, including a statement from a survivor of the shooting at L'Ecole Polytechnique, Heidi Rathjen, that Conservative MPs should stay away from commemorative ceremonies on Dec. 6 out of respect for the families of the female students who were killed. "First it was, 'We didn't understand the difference between registration and gun ownership and so on,' now they're moving to the income tax slip," Ms. Boivin told The Hill Times. "It still doesn't address the fact that you might be law abiding, you own a gun, you bought it, everything was great, you're tired of that specific gun that's not in the gun registry anymore, and you sell it to me, because you're tired of this and you need cash, and I have cash and I want to buy your gun," she said. Bill C-19 will eliminate Firearms Act provisions that require gun sellers to validate the licences of gun buyers through checks with the Registrar of Firearms. The Firearms Act, through the registry provisions, requires all buyers of rifles and shotguns to report and record their acquisitions. Handguns have been restricted and subject to a registry since 1934. Under Bill C-19, gun sellers have the option of validating a licence or not. As part of the Harper government's determination to prevent any record that could provide any form of a new registry system, the legislation compels the Registrar of Firearms to destroy any record of the request for validation. Like another section of the bill that requires the Commissioner of Firearms, a deputy commissioner of the RCMP, to destroy all current database records of the registry, the section compelling destruction of requests for licence validation contains provisions to override government record protection clauses in the Privacy Act and the Library and Archives of Canada Act. Critics point out the bill does not specifically require gun sellers to even ask, let alone demand, proof of valid acquisition licences from gun buyers. Ms. Rathjen told The Hill Times none of those aspects were mentioned in Mr. Harper's (Calgary Southwest, Alta.) election-campaign promise earlier this year to scrap the registry."My reading is that their position is extreme," she said. "Publicly, they're contradicting what they're doing underhandedly with this bill. Publicly, they profess to support licensing and during the committee even said it should be tougher, but at the same time they're taking all the teeth out of the provisions related to licensing." 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