Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, January 18 2012 Volume 14 : Number 888 In this issue: Unintended Consequences Re: The true believer Re: Urinating Marines... Vancouver gang associate sentenced to five years in jail ... Re: puppies/kitties/fairy dust Fwd: From the Calgary Herald One Mile Muzzleloader Shot Charges laid in gunpoint robbery, kidnapping FACU OPPOSES PROPOSED REFERENDUM TO BAN FIREARMS GROUPS ON CAMPUS Why Emily still hasn't bought a gun in D.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:49:50 -0800 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: Unintended Consequences From Tim Mullin's forward to Unintended Consequences by John Ross (available free online): Guns are an important element in any truly free society, for a society that does not trust its citizens with individually owned weapons really does not trust its citizens. However, words are also important, and in this book many will no doubt be encouraged to continue the good fight to protect a cultural value that is worth defending vigorously. By making it clear that the attack is not on guns but rather on a cultural group, this story may provide much inspiration to the millions of people who are in that group. In recent years we have witnessed violent attacks on people in the gun culture. These attacks amount to genocide. It is my hope that this book will cause those who blindly seek to destroy the gun culture to pause for a moment and recognize that their random actions are in error, and to reconsider their evil ways. This could come from an intellectual conversion and a new appreciation of the culture's values. It could also result from a pragmatic concern for the inevitable consequences of continuously attacking a cultural group who wishes to be left alone and whose overriding philosophy is one of freedom. Either way, it doesn't matter. The goal is to stop the attacks and prevent a violent confrontation which could prove harmful for all parties concerned. (Page 7). Cordially, Clive Edwards "Just because I don't believe in being a victim doesn't mean I believe in being a bully." "Just because I believe in non-aggression doesn't mean I believe in non-violence." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:18:17 -0800 From: Subject: Re: The true believer Joe: Thanks for this insightful assessment. I have always been a student of American politics because half of my blood relations are Yanks and I live right up close to the border. Regardless, Canadians are as tied to the results of US politics as Wall Street and the Defence Secretariat. I spent eleven years on Europe flying wing to wing with the USAF. In my estimation they are a grteat people who have strayed badly. But I believe they will pull themselves back into their proper path. If they don't, we are sunk, mostly because the burocracy is running this country and there is not a John Diefenbaker in sight. Dalton Camp, an acknowledged Fabian Socialist deserves to have his grave irrigated at regular intervals! Willy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gingrich" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: The true believer > http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?idH769 > > The true believer > > by Patrick J. Buchanan > > 01/13/2012 > > Last May, Ron Paul? filed his financial disclosure form, and the Wall > Street Journal enlisted financial analyst William Bernstein? to scrutinize > his investments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:29:06 -0700 (MST) From: Jim Szpajcher Subject: Re: Urinating Marines... Mr. Junker You noted: "They were pissed off in seeing their fellow-soldiers killed and for their government sending them off to fight senseless wars." "It's OK to blow the enemy apart and bath them in blood --- and a lot of innocent people as well --- but don't you dare urinate on them after you just killed them." Just one man's opinion. You are angry about how our society judges performance art, and you are angry over the fact that governments send men off to fight in senseless wars where they kill innocent people, so therefore it is okay to desecrate bodies? What do you recommend we institute next? Feed them to the pigs like Robert Pickton? Is he the role model you want to use for our young men and women in uniform? There is a reason that men come home traumatized from wars, and their loss of humanity is something that is very hard to reconcile when they return to "civilization". It took the American military 15 years to recover from the trauma of Vietnam, and yet you defend the very same actions which led to the American public's loss of faith in their soldiers. The bond between the population and its military is a very fragile one. Military personnel operate under enough stress as it is. Encouraging them to act in ways which they cannot be proud of later is a sure way to bring on mental suffering. I know enough veterans from earlier wars who have spent decades agonizing over their behavior in combat situations. I cannot endorse behavior which will lead to more problems, and more distress. Claude Anshin Thomas has spent decades trying to work through his actions in Vietnam. Here is a trailer for a movie which is now in preparation about his life: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/327058134/after-the-war-0 Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, January 17, 2012 8:32 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Vancouver gang associate sentenced to five years in jail ... ... for assault rifles VANCOUVER SUN - JANUARY 17, 2012 Vancouver gang associate sentenced to five years in jail for assault rifles By KIM BOLAN http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vancouver+gang+associate+sentenced+five+years+jail+assault+rifles/6004738/story.html VANCOUVER -- A Vancouver Provincial Court judge sentenced a gang associate to five years in jail Monday for driving around the city with ready-to-fire assault rifles hidden in a secret compartment. Judge Harbans Dhillon said she had to consider that the two AR-15 automatic guns Pedram (Mike) Shirazi was carrying in October 2010 "are designed to kill and maim a large number of people rapidly." She noted similar firearms have been used in a number of Metro Vancouver homicides in recent years. "Guns facilitate violence and death," she said. "The violence is usually carried out in public streets." Shirazi, 27, pleaded guilty in November 2011 to two firearms charges, including one that carries a minimum three-year jail term. Dhillon deducted nine months from his sentence, leaving him 51 months to serve in custody. She gave him three months extra credit - on top of six months credit for time already served in North Fraser Pre-trial - because of an unprovoked attack by a gang of inmates who threw boiling butter on him, causing second-degree burns. Shirazi was arrested on Oct. 27, 2010 at Vancouver's Kensington Park after meeting with six other gang associates just after 4 p.m. At the time, the Gang Task Force was following two of the men - Billy Tran and Jason McBride - - according to an agreed statement of facts read at Monday's sentencing hearing. Some at the meeting were associates of gangster Gurmit Dhak, who had been gunned down at Metrotown just 12 days earlier. As uniformed police approached the group, Christopher Iser, who had arrived with Shirazi, walked quickly toward a shack behind a baseball diamond, where officers later found a .40-calibre handgun, loaded with 10 rounds of ammunition. Shirazi, Iser, Tran, McBride and the other three present - Jodh Manj, Anton Ali-Moffat and Thanh Nguyen - were all arrested. Only Iser and Shirazi were charged. Iser is back before Vancouver Provincial Court later this month. Investigators searched the Jeep Cherokee Shirazi had been driving, finding the rifles in one secret compartment, as well as a second compartment in the dash that contained two balaclavas and two pairs of gloves. Dhillon said Shirazi's DNA was found around the mouth and nose of one of the balaclavas. Shirazi later admitted that he was hired to drive the Jeep and transfer the guns to an unknown person for $2,000. He expressed remorse in court and said he has already taken steps to turn his life around, Dhillon noted. She said Shirazi asked to do his time out of province to avoid other inmates who could be troublesome. "It cannot be disputed that the circumstances of this offence were extremely serious," Dhillon said. But she said Shirazi's guilty plea was a benefit to the criminal justice system and therefore a mitigating factor. She accepted the joint sentencing submission from Crown Michel Huot and defence lawyer Jonathan Israels. Gang Task Force Supt. Tom McCluskie said he was happy with the outcome of the case. "We are extremely pleased that another gun-toting gangster is off the street," McCluskie said. "Our focus remains public safety and as long as we are taking guns off the street and putting those who have them in jail, we are happy." kbolan@vancouversun.com Blog: vancouversun.com/therealscoop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:34:37 -0700 (MST) From: Jim Szpajcher Subject: Re: puppies/kitties/fairy dust Mr. Hewkin At the end of the post below, you note that your message is as coherent as you can make it. You have my most sincere condolences, and I wish you well on your journey through life, as troubled as it appears to be. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB Jan 17, 2012 04:58:38 AM, cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca wrote: > Some of you seem to be sympathetic towards Extremists. Muslim > Terrorists. Insurgents. whatever you want to call them. If you want > me to stop dehumanizing them, maybe you can convince them to stop > torturing to death/beheading westerners, captured soldiers, and hapless > tourists. they upload the video coverage of these tortures/beheadings > daily, to the internet, and have done so for a very long time. If they > HAVE TO upload recordings of their killings, Can you sympathizers > PLEASE convince your Muslim buddies to do clean, quick, humane kills? > PLEASE? > I have seen sand people, fully cloaked and veiled, no word of the > English language to be spoken. this is not any resemblance of a > parallel to the immigrants of past generations of European descent. > IM JUST SAYIN' YOU hug a thug, hug a homosexual, hug a drug, hug a > terrorist. not me. I care NOT for your opinion of me or my assertions. > I do not live to please you, or conform to your opinion. I only offer > my own as coherently as I can. > > take it or leave it. > > philhewkin@telus.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:47:37 -0800 From: Todd Birch Subject: Fwd: From the Calgary Herald *Subject:*RE: From the Calgary Herald THE FOLLOWING IS A 'MUST READ' ARTICLE. IT IS NOT RACIST, IT IS COMMON SENSE WHICH IS RARE THESE DAYS. Muslims in Manitoba Excellent article from the Calgary Herald...........I'm surprised it was published. A must read for all Canadians & especially our Politicians!! Time to Change Tune on Official Multiculturalism By Licia Corbella,CalgaryHerald - February 12, 2011 About one dozen families who recently immigrated to Canada are demanding that the Louis Riel School Division in Winnipeg excuse their children from music and coed physical education programs for religious reasons. The families believe music is un-Islamic ~ just like the Taliban believe and then imposed on the entire population of Afghanistan ~ and that physical education classes should be segregated by gender even in the elementary years. The school division is facing the music in a typically Canadian way - That is, bending itself into a trombone to try to accommodate these demands, even though in Manitoba, and indeed the rest of the country, music and phys-ed are compulsory parts of the curriculum. Officials say they may try to have the Muslim children do a writing project on music to satisfy the curriculum's requirements. The school officials have apparently consulted the Manitoba Human Rights Commission, and they have also spoken to a member of the Islamic community suggested by those very same Muslim parents. In any event, the school district is trying to find a way to adapt the curriculum to fit the wishes of these families, rather than these families adapting to fit into the school and Canadian culture. Mahfooz Kanwar, a member of the Muslim Canadian Congress, says he has a better idea. "I'd tell them, this is Canada, and in Canada , we teach music and physical education in our schools. If you don't like it, leave. If you want to live under sharia law, go back to the hellhole country you came from or go to another hellhole country that lives under sharia law," said Kanwar, who is a professor emeritus of sociology at Mount Royal University in Calgary . That might be putting things a little more forcefully than most of us would be comfortable with, but Kanwar says he is tired of hearing about such out-of-tune demands from newcomers to our country.. "Immigrants to Canada should adjust to Canada , not the other way around," he argues. Kanwar, who immigrated to Canada from Pakistan via England and then the United States in 1966, says he used to buy into the "mosaic, official multiculturalism" (nonsense). He makes it clear, that like most Canadians, he is pleased and enjoys that Canada has citizens literally from every country and corner in the world, as it has enriched this country immensely. But it's official multiculturalism - the state policy "that entrenches the lie" that all cultures and beliefs are of equal value and of equal validity in Canada that he objects to. "The fact is,Canada has an enviable culture based on Judeo-Christian values - not Muslim values - with British and French rule of law and traditions and that's why it's better than all of the other places in the world. We are heading down a dangerous path if we allow the idea that sharia law has a place in Canada . It does not. It is completely incompatible with the idea and reality of Canada ," says Kanwar, who in the 1970s was the founder and president of the Pakistan-Canada Association and a big fan of official multiculturalism. Kanwar says his views changed when he started listening to the people who joined his group. They badmouthed Canada, weren't interested in knowing Canadians or even in learning one of our official languages. They created cultural ghettos and the Canadian government even helped fund it. "One day it dawned on me that the reason all of us wanted to move here was going to disappear if we didn't start defending Canada and its fundamental values." That's when Kanwar started speaking out against the dangers of official multiculturalism. He has been doing so for decades. So, it's no surprise that Kanwar is delighted with the recent speech British Prime Minister David Cameron delivered to the 47th Munich Security Conference on Feb. 5. "Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism," said Cameron, "we have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values. So when a white person holds objectionable views - racism, for example - we rightly condemn them. But when equally unacceptable views or practices have come from someone who isn't white, we've been too cautious, frankly even fearful, to stand up to them. .. . . This hands-off tolerance," said Cameron, "has only served to reinforce the sense that not enough is shared. All this leaves some young Muslims feeling rootless and . . . can lead them to this extremist ideology." Kanwar actually credits German Chancellor Angela Merkel for being among the first of the world's democratic leaders to take the courageous step in October to say that official multiculturalism had "failed totally.." It appears leaders are getting bolder. During an interview with TFI channel on Feb.10, French President Nicolas Sarkozy declared: "We have been too concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him."Cameron ended his speech by saying: "At stake are not just lives, it's our way of life. That's why this is a challenge we cannot avoid - and one we must meet." That democratically elected leaders are at long last starting to sing a different tune on official multiculturalism is sweet music to Kanwar. Here's hoping those poor kids in Winnipeg will get to hear some of it. Licia Corbellais The Herald's Editorial Page Editor lcorBella@calgaryherald.com © Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:24:51 -0800 From: Todd Birch Subject: One Mile Muzzleloader Shot Has anyone got any follow up info on the one mile ML shot that allegedly felled that Amish girl? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:55:23 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Charges laid in gunpoint robbery, kidnapping http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Charges+laid+gunpoint+robbery+kidnapping/6005708/story.html Charges laid in gunpoint robbery, kidnapping The StarPhoenix January 17, 2012 Two men described by Saskatoon police as having street gang affiliations are facing a slate of charges, including attempted murder, in connection with a dramatic armed robbery and kidnapping on the weekend. Jayvin Charles Mooswa, 24, and Jeremy Jerry Mooswa, 26, appeared briefly in provincial court Monday morning. Patrol officers arrested the pair with help from members of the street gang unit Saturday afternoon at a home in the 500 block of Avenue X South, police said in a release. A sawed-off shotgun was also seized. The victim, a 26-year-old man, was beaten, stabbed and robbed at gunpoint during a house party in the 900 block of Preston Avenue early Saturday morning. When the suspects threatened to shoot the victim, he told them he had money at another location and was then forced at gunpoint to accompany them in his own vehicle. As they drove through the downtown, the gun went off inside the vehicle, just missing the victim, police said. The driver then stopped the vehicle and the victim took the opportunity to flee, running directly to the police station. The suspects fled in the vehicle, which was set on fire and abandoned at 11th Street and Circle Drive around 7 a.m. The victim was treated in hospital and later released. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, January 17, 2012 1:40 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: FACU OPPOSES PROPOSED REFERENDUM TO BAN FIREARMS GROUPS ON CAMPUS FIREARMS ASSOCIATION OF CARLETON UNIVERSITY (FACU) MEDIA RELEASE - JANUARY 11, 2012 FACU OPPOSES PROPOSED REFERENDUM TO BAN FIREARMS GROUPS ON CAMPUS by Brandon Wallingford, FACU President http://facu.ca/2012/01/11/proposed-referendum-to-ban-firearms-groups-on-campus/ OTTAWA- Disgraced Carleton University Students Association (CUSA) VP Internal Ariel Norman distributed seven (7) proposed referendum questions without notice at the January 10th CUSA Council Meeting, the first meeting after a five (5) month long legal dispute between sixteen (16) CUSA council members and Miss Norman over her illegitimate removal of them from CUSA council. Brandon Wallingford, President of the new and widely popular Firearms Association of Carleton University (FACU) and also a CUSA Arts and Social Sciences Councillor commented: "I don't believe CUSA has a right to discriminate against students who are interested in shooting sports. Shooting is a legitimate sport which is practiced at an Olympic level worldwide." Brandon, went on to explain: "FACU is a popular club and many students have had a great chance to try something new and even develop a lifelong hobby. We had not received any opposition to our existence to date and this is the first semblance of a complaint we have had." The proposed referendum question, worded: "Are you in favour of amending CUSA's anti-discrimination on campus policy to include banning all groups that promote guns and gun violence?" is a proposed question to be voted on during the upcoming CUSA election in February. Spencer Rolfe, FACU Director of Membership, is worried that the question is specifically targeting the club. "We have done nothing to deserve being discriminated against, our safety record is flawless and we have signed up over 125 new members in just the first term this year. Students are excited about learning how to shoot safely and CUSA shouldn't take that chance away from them." Ashley Scorpio, FACU Director of Communication and CUSA Special Student Councillor explained: "We are a very diverse club with students from all walks of life. Our membership is also spread across many faculties. Not only are we a social and athletic club but we also help students get the certification they need for their future careers. This attack on our club comes as a complete surprise. It is shocking that Miss Norman and company would attempt to take these opportunities away from students." Patrick Champagne, FACU Director of Sporting and Head Coach of the Rifle Team stated that: "The promotion of safe handling and practice of firearms comes with great responsibility from trained individuals such as the executive that runs this club. My extensive experience with target shooting has given me the proper tools to sustain a highly controlled setting when events take place at a shooting range. There is a very clear distinction between the sport of target shooting and 'the promotion of guns and gun violence'. We educate and introduce students to a sport that is internationally recognized as one of the safest and most prestigious sport in the world." Brandon Wallingford, said that his club would oppose this referendum adamantly when the next opportunity presented itself. "No one heard of any of these referendum questions before the council meeting. These proposed questions completely blindsided councillors and students alike. When CUSA executives purposely hide these kinds of motions to take Carleton students by surprise we know there is something seriously wrong with the way CUSA is working." Brandon went on to explain that the matter in which these referendum questions were put forward breaks CUSA's own rules. "Section 8.2 of the CUSA Electoral Code says that a referendum can only be initiated after the Constitution and Policy Committee has reviewed the questions. Since council and council committees have not been allowed to meet over the fall term it is impossible that any of the referendum questions presented at this past meeting have met this requirement." - --------------------- Further questions regarding referendum question may be directed to Brandon Wallingford, President. He may be contacted at 613-219-6476 or president@facu.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, January 17, 2012 2:15 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Why Emily still hasn't bought a gun in D.C. THE WASHINGTON TIMES - JANUARY 17, 2012 MILLER: Why I still haven't bought a gun in D.C. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2012/jan/17/miller-why-i-still-havent-bought-gun-dc/ After careful consideration, I have decided to buy the Sig Sauer P229 two-tone. I knew I wanted a full-size 9mm that I could handle well and that felt comfortable in my hands (click to watch a video of me shooting it.) o help with the final decision, The Washington Times launched a poll seeking input from gun enthusiasts. The Sig Sauer won with 27 percent of the vote. The Springfield Armory XD(M) was a close second with 23 percent, and the Glock 17 came in a distant third at 15 percent. Along the way, I realized I should choose one made in the USA. This narrowed down my options significantly. Sig has a manufacturing plant in Exeter, NH, plus I think their guns look cool -- especially the two-tone (black and stainless) version. Quality guns are expensive. As I am new to the gun world, I thought they would cost maybe $400, so I was surprised to find that new ones range from about $600-$1,200. To find the best price, I called two local gun stores. Atlantic Guns in Maryland and Virginia Arms, but neither had what I wanted in stock. Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Virginia could get it in a couple days, but the price was higher than online dealers. I asked around for suggestions on good prices online and also googled the model number. In the end, I looked at about 18 dealers and found the best price at BudsGunShop.com, CheaperThanDirt.com and GrabaGun.com - all about $750. Before I made the purchase, I checked the paper packet from D.C. Gun Registry to be sure I was getting a gun eligible for registration. Three pages explain the firearms that are cannot be legally owned in the nation's capital. The list of prohibited guns didn't seem to apply to mine, including things like sawed-off shotguns, automatic firearms, short-barrelled rifles and .50 BMG rifles. The city also has a whole page of illegal "assault" weapons, which lists specific makes and models, as well as prohibited features that range from a grenade launcher to a grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon or a gun that can accept a threaded barrel. The end of the document explains that guns eligible for registration must be on the California Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. That list is conspicuously missing from the registration packet. However, on the city's website, there is a list of firearm makes and models, which appears to the the California roster with the D.C logo stuck on the top. One of the regulations to getting a gun registered is proving you have good eyesight, which the city must be testing by posting a 13-page list of guns in about 6pt font. Squinting at my laptop screen, I scrolled down to the Sigs and found my gun listed: "P229 (Two-Tone)/Stainless Steel, Alloy, P, 3.9", 9m." Yes, the District actually believes it's important to approve the gun's color scheme. But still, I was nervous about making such a big purchase without being 100 percent sure it was legal. I called the city's only legal gun dealer, Charles Sykes. He had some news since we last spoke. "Remember I told you that you could buy any gun on the three state lists- Maryland, Massachusetts and California - but only ones that had been on the lists since 2009?" It rang a quiet bell. "Well they upgraded it, now you can buy any gun that is on those lists as of today." "Really? I'm surprised D.C. would do something like that. When did this happen? Did they tell you" I asked. "Nope," he replied and was silent for a moment. "Why would they be to informative to me? What time, when, how this happened - I have no idea. It just happened." I asked him for more help on having the gun sent from the online dealer to him. "Ask if they have my new address," Mr. Sykes said referring to his new office in the same building as police headquarters. "Make sure they have my licence on file. If not, get their name and fax number for me to send it." He added, "Try to get them to send UPS or, second, FedEx but not the postal service because they don't deliver at police headquarters, and I want my guns passing through as few hands as possible." The post office doesn't deliver to the police department? This city never ceases to amaze me. Anything else? "You know to make sure they only send the 10-round magazine and keep the 'high-capacity' at the store." Gulp. I quickly thumbed through the three pages of guns that are illegal in D.C. and saw no reference to the legal-limit magazine. But near the front of the 22-page packet, there was one line that said, "Please note that it is illegal to posses a magazine that holds more than ten rounds of ammunition in the District of Columbia." So now what? I asked Mr. Sykes, "Can they just swap out the magazine at the stores?" '"Doesn't matter to me," said Mr. Sykes. "Just make sure they don't send me a gun with a high-capacity magazine because you can't register it." I was back at square one. I called the three stores where I'd found the best prices to ask to switch out the magazines. After explaining the situation to a man at CheaperThanDirt.com, he said they can't switch the magazine, and, anyway, "we don't ship to D.C." I explained that it's legal to send to Mr. Sykes, but he refused. I called GrabaGun.com twice in two days, but kept getting voicemail. A nice man at BudsGunShop.com checked the Sig Sauer model list and explained to me that the manufacturer doesn't make the two-tone model with a lower-round magazine. I thought they were interchangeable, but I guess not. He had an all-black model in a 9-round capacity - marked "California legal" - for $833. I pulled up the websites of eight online stores look for the 10-round version of the P229 in black. It seemed I'd have to pay anywhere from $50-$75 more to get a gun with a magazine holding 3 fewer rounds. And I couldn't buy the two-tone style I preferred. I was so frustrated at this point, I considered giving up trying to buy American and just getting the Glock or Beretta I liked, but I wanted to figure this out for other residents who hit this same wall. If you have any suggestions or recommendations on what I should do now to purchase the gun, please use the comment section. Or you can send your advice to be on Facebook or Twitter. I'd really appreciate the help. "Emily gets her gun" is a new series following senior editor Emily Miller as she legally tries to get her hands on a gun in the nation's capital. You can also follow her on Twitter @EmilyMiller. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V14 #888 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)