From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #31 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, April 5 2012 Volume 15 : Number 031 In this issue: Florida lawmaker plans 'stand your ground' panel RE: gun question Re: Aberdeen, Sk., man faces firearms charges Re: gun question RE: gun question Sheriff Joe expands Obama probe to Hillary supporters Nothing like uniform justice ? Re: "Churches campaign for global treaty to tackle illicit ... Re: NWEST raids rural Aberdeen gun owner-Digest V15 #29 Re: Aberdeen, Sk., man faces firearms charges Re: A nation arms itself -- for what? Gun owners alarmed by ammunition rules ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:52:57 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Florida lawmaker plans 'stand your ground' panel http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/03/florida-lawmaker-plans-stand-your-ground-panel/ Florida lawmaker plans 'stand your ground' panel Published April 03, 2012| Associated Press TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - A state lawmaker says he can't wait for Gov. Rick Scott so he's appointing his own task force on the Florida statute commonly called the "stand your ground" law. The Republican governor has announced plans for a task force. But Scott wants to wait until after an investigation into the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin is concluded. Sen. Chris Smith, a Fort Lauderdale Democrat, said Tuesday that his panel will include prosecutors, public defenders and legal scholars. It will meet Thursday in Fort Lauderdale. Smith said it will hear comments from judges and a tourism official who says the law is scaring away visitors. Sanford neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman says he shot the unarmed teen in self-defense. No charges have been filed, and a special prosecutor is investigating. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 23:50:55 -0400 From: Steve Torino Subject: RE: gun question We have to wait for GG signature and coming into force Many Thanks Steve > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:44:04 -0500 > From: harleygy@mymts.net > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: gun question > > I have a question. How come when you go to a sporting goods store to > purchase a gun, they are still registering the firearm? I thought that > the registry had died? I went to Cabellas the other day to purchase a > .270 semi auto and I had to go through the whole thing as if the > registry has not died yet. I walked out with out the gun. > > Scottie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: Aberdeen, Sk., man faces firearms charges Pathetic! First (I'm surprised they didn't list powder as nuclear explosive): The search resulted in the police seizing 27 long-barrel rifles, an AK-47 assault rifle, one sawed-off shotgun, 12 handguns, three swords, multiple knives and prohibited devices, along with re-loading equipment and several thousand rounds of ammunition. Then: The man was charged with unsafe storage and other offences. Means: There is nothing to charge the guy with, but for "paper offences" nobody cares anyway. Violent people are still on the street, police is goine after easy target. ________________________________ From: Joe Gingrich To: Canadian Firearms Digest Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:40 AM Subject: Aberdeen, Sk., man faces firearms charges http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Aberdeen+faces+firearms+charges/6401042/story.html Aberdeen man faces firearms charges The StarPhoenix April 3, 2012 A resident of the Aberdeen area was expected to appear in provincial court Monday to answer to multiple Criminal Code charges pertaining to firearms-related offences. Saskatoon RCMP along with a member of the national weapons enforcement team executed a search warrant Friday on a residence located in the district. The search resulted in the police seizing 27 long-barrel rifles, an AK-47 assault rifle, one sawed-off shotgun, 12 handguns, three swords, multiple knives and prohibited devices, along with re-loading equipment and several thousand rounds of ammunition. The man was charged with unsafe storage and other offences. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: gun question Because it has not died. Even if current law goes in effect, you will face the same procedure.  When you asked to have "registry " to go away, the registration certificate was SURGICALLY removed from the law keeping 99.9% of the law in tact (but "registry" is "gone"). You asked for stupid action, you got it! The hype about it is not really a big deal. > From: "harleygy@mymts.net" To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:44 AM > Subject: gun question > > I have a question. How come when you go to a sporting goods store to > purchase a gun, they are still registering the firearm? I thought > that the registry had died? I went to Cabellas the other day to > purchase a .270 semi auto and I had to go through the whole thing as > if the registry has not died yet. I walked out with out the gun. > > Scottie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:41:42 -0700 From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: gun question Try again in about 1 to 2 weeks. Should be wrapped up by then... Jim Pook Tahsis, BC - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Torino Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:51 PM To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: RE: gun question We have to wait for GG signature and coming into force Many Thanks Steve > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:44:04 -0500 > From: harleygy@mymts.net > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: gun question > > I have a question. How come when you go to a sporting goods store to > purchase a gun, they are still registering the firearm? I thought that > the registry had died? I went to Cabellas the other day to purchase a > .270 semi auto and I had to go through the whole thing as if the > registry has not died yet. I walked out with out the gun. > > Scottie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 23:06:43 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Sheriff Joe expands Obama probe to Hillary supporters http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/sheriff-joe-expands-obama-probe-to-hillary-supporters/ Sheriff Joe expands Obama probe to Hillary supporters PHOENIX - Based on interviews WND conducted with insiders in Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign, Sheriff Joe Arpaio has decided to expand the scope of his law enforcement investigation into President Obama's eligibility to include evidence and affidavits documenting alleged criminal activity by the Obama campaign in the 2008 Democratic Party primary race. Hollywood film producer Bettina Viviano and Hollywood-based digital photographer Michele Thomas have given Arpaio's investigators the names of dozens of Hillary Clinton supporters willing to come forward with evidence and affidavits. Among their claims is that the Clintons were the first to charge Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution and that his birth certificate is a forgery. Moreover, the Hillary supporters identified by Viviano and Thomas have argued that the pattern of questionable and possibly illegal activity suggests that the alleged act of producing forged birth certificate documentation for Obama may have been merely more of the same. As WND reported, Viviano claims she heard Bill Clinton say that Obama is not eligible to be president. Help Sheriff Joe blow the lid off Obama's fraud. Join the Cold Case Posse right now! http://superstore.wnd.com/specialty-items/HELP-FUND-INDEPENDENT-INVESTIGATIONS-OF-OBAMAS-ELIGIBILITY 'Not a partisan investigation' Arpaio has insisted his investigation into Obama's birth certificate and his eligibility to be president is not a partisan investigation. It was triggered, he noted, by a petition presented to him in August signed by some 250 members of the Surprise Tea Party in Surprise, Ariz. "I'm just doing what I took an oath of office to do - enforce the law," Arpaio told a combined meeting of the Surprise Tea Party and the Sun City West Tea Party on Saturday attended by over 1,100 people. "I report to the people. I'm not accusing the president of any crime. We used no taxpayer money, and I listen to the complaints brought to me. I don't throw citizen complaints in the wastebasket." Arpaio said he began the investigation with the goal of proving Obama's birth certificate legitimate. "I feel very strongly as the constitutional, chief law enforcement officer for this county," Arpaio told the Tea Party audience. "I wanted to do everything to clear the president of the United States. I wanted to be the guy who stood up here and said that birth certificate is legitimate - leave the president alone. But it didn't work out that way." As WND reported, at a press conference March 1 in Phoenix, Arpaio announced his investigators have probable cause to believe Obama's birth certificate and his Selective Service Registration form are forgeries. "The last I heard, if you forged documents, that's a violation of law," he quipped to the tea party audience. "If you did it, you'd be in trouble big time." Chaos in 2008 Viviano, working with screenplay writer and director Gigi Gaston, produced in 2008 a documentary, "We Will Not Be Silenced," based on interviews from participants in Democratic Party primary caucuses. They accuse the Obama administration of illegitimate and illegal acts, including threats, intimidation, lies, stolen documents, falsified documents and busing in voters in exchange for meals. "This documentary is about the disenfranchising of American citizens by the Democratic Party and the Obama Campaign," Gaston and Viviano write on the "We Will Not Be Silenced 2008 website, which features a 40-minute preview of the documentary. "We want to be heard and let the country know how our party has sanctioned the actions of what we feel are Obama Campaign 'Chicago Machine' dirty politics. We believe this infamous campaign of 'change' from Chicago encouraged and created an army to steal caucus packets, falsify documents, change results, allow unregistered people to vote, scare and intimidate Hillary supporters, stalk them, threaten them, lock them out of their polling places, silence their voices and stop their right to vote." Arpaio's investigation has already uncovered evidence of intimidation by Obama supporters in an attempt to suppress media coverage of the birth certificate and eligibility issues. A memo published by the Hillary for President campaign March 4, 2008, noted the following specific accusations of irregularities and voter intimidation allegedly committed by the Obama campaign: a.. Irregularities: Prematurely taking precinct convention packets by the Obama campaign; a.. Voter intimidation: Lockout of Clinton caucus goers by the Obama campaign; and a.. Obama supporters filling out precinct convention sign-in sheets during the day and submitting them as completed vote totals at caucuses, a practice explicitly forbidden by Democratic Party rules. The Clinton memo characterized the Obama campaign caucus practices as "undemocratic, probably illegal," reflecting "a wanton disregard for the caucus process." Hillary: continuing threat to Obama In the 2010 mid-term elections, the blue-collar voters who supported Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign abandoned the Democratic Party led by Obama. A Greenberg Quinlan Rosner poll after the November 2010 elections showed Democrats' support from white, non-college-educated male voters dropped 12 percent from 2008, with only 29 percent of blue-collar men supporting the Democrats in 2010, down from 41 percent in 2008, as reported by TheHill.com. Last November, prominent Democratic pollsters Patrick Caddell and Douglas Schoen, published an editorial in the Wall Street Journal suggesting Obama should abandon his candidacy for re-election, stepping aside for "the one candidate who would become, by acclamation, the nominee of the Democratic Party: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton." Conceding that even with an all-time-low job approval rating and even worse ratings on handling the economy, Obama could "eke out" a victory in November 2012, Caddell and Schoen argued that the type of campaign required for Obama's "political survival would make it almost impossible for him to govern - not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term." The PUMA P.A.C. that emerged to oppose Obama and support Hillary in 2008 remains in existence. It describes itself as "a burgeoning group of bloggers, writers and citizens who are joining together to fight back against the corrupt leadership of the DNC, their 'chosen' candidate and the mainstream media that enables them." In 2008, Obama won over women voters, with 56 percent voting for him, versus 49 percent of men, according to Woman's Vote Watch at Rutgers University. The Obama campaign appears to have gained at least a temporary advantage among women, after charging that GOP presidential candidates, including Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, are "hostile to women" for their stand on contraceptives, according to a USA Today/Gallup poll released this week. According to the poll, Obama's biggest advantage rests with women under 50, with six in 10 supporting him. Romney's support in that demographic dropped to 30 percent, giving Obama a 2-to-1 advantage. Obama administration senior officials confirmed Monday that Clinton will not campaign for Obama to avoid making her position as secretary of state appear political, according to the Huffington Post. Clinton previously announced she plans to leave the State Department at the end of Obama's current term. Read the preliminary findings of Sheriff Arpaio's Cold Case Posse investigation after six months investigating Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve as president in "A Question of Eligibility," co-authored by Jerome Corsi and Mike Zullo. http://superstore.wnd.com/digital/A-Question-of-Eligibility-e-book ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:28:54 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Nothing like uniform justice ? Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #29 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:40:54 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Aberdeen, Sk., man faces firearms charges http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Aberdeen+faces+firearms+charges/6401042/story.html Aberdeen man faces firearms charges The StarPhoenix April 3, 2012 The man was charged with unsafe storage and other offences. Question: Was he home at the time? Since when are KNIVES subject to confiscation ? And when did that law come into effect ? Len Miller Vancouver where BC Supreme Court ruled that possession of a knife ( Sulland) for 'self defence' was no longer a criminal act . . in the '80's . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 00:34:14 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: "Churches campaign for global treaty to tackle illicit ... ... arms sales"- Digest V15 #29 We live in strange times. Growing up after WW2, we were taught that history not only in school but also by the movie/tv industry which included the history of the development of political, scientific and literary developments of Western Civilization. The trials and tribulations and how rough and bloody a road it had been. Yet today, a scant 18 years after the Rwandan genocide, the politicians, the MSM, 153 countries, including churches, are endorsing conditions for similar atrocities, perhaps on an even larger scale. In 1994, somewhere between 800,000 to 900,000 thousands Rwandans, mostly Tutsi were slaughtered. While the Hutu government forces and their supporters did have access to firearms, most of the killing was done using a machete as a weapon. The killing was done over a 100 day period, a higher rate than the industrialized and legendarily efficient Germans of 50 years earlier. Whereas bullets are relatively expensive, the machete is cheap, , widely available and as effective in the late 20th Century as they were thousands of years ago in the Bronze age. I remember reading a news report indicating that some of the victims, a few who had a little money were allowed to pay for the bullets that would be used to kill them and their family instead of being hacked to death by a machete. (As an aside, according to the Harper governments policy maiming or murder using a firearm would result in a longer sentence than using a machete. Best those trials of the Rwandan genocide perps be held there and not here.) What actually stopped the Rwandan genocide, limiting it to slightly less than a million when it could easily have continued on to a much larger number? The Rwandan Patriotic Front, rebels armed with "illegal" firearms, who had at the behest of our UN Gen. Dallaire, had holed up in the jungle under Dallaire's truce initiative. Finally, after realizing the UN headquarters and Pres. Clinton, gun shy after Mogadishu (Blackhawk Down), and the French and British had decided not to intervene. Practically, driven mad by observing with his small protective force, the massacre of Biblical proportions, Dallaire sent word to the Rwandan Patriotic Front to break their truce and stop the genocide, which they did, using their "illegally" obtained firearms. Under the UN/church(utopian naivite´) treaty, the Rwandan government coup forces would still be armed and no one would have been able to stop them until they had worn out their machetes. Violent criminals, murderous governments don't require firearms, what they require are helpless, unarmed civilians. This has been true from Biblical times and is still true today. So when I read about this "Treaty", I wonder what would be an appropriate name, perhaps "Betrayal of the Innocents". I wish there still was at least a single Parliamentarian or more, like George Diefenbaker or T.C. Douglas who would have the fortitude and eloquence to shame the governments and churches from what historically might be called a "Pact with the Devil". On 3-Apr-12, at 9:38 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Tue, April 3, 2012 8:04 am > From: "Dennis R. Young" > Subject: Churches campaign for global treaty to tackle illicit arms > sales > > Churches campaign for global treaty to tackle illicit arms sales > By Jonathan Frerichs - 3 Apr 2012 > http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/16496 > > After July, arms used to commit atrocities and serious crimes may > become > harder to buy, and harder to sell, internationally. That is if > governments > already agreed on the need to regulate the arms trade can agree on > a treaty > that is fit for the task and covers all conventional weapons. > Diplomats from > nearly 200 countries will spend July at the United Nations to > negotiate the > proposed Arms Trade Treaty. Diplomats from nearly 200 countries > will spend > month of July at the United Nations to negotiate the proposed Arms > Trade > Treaty. Their challenge lies in keeping the arms trade open to > militaries, > police forces and other groups who are judged to use arms legally and > responsibly, and closing the trade to those who don't. Arms > manufacturers, > gun enthusiasts, as well as civil society organizations and > churches are > seeking to influence the outcome. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:09:31 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: NWEST raids rural Aberdeen gun owner-Digest V15 #29 There is nothing in this article to indicate the arrestee is a violent criminal. Looking closely as I can at the photograph, I see a collection of old hunting rifles and shotguns, Browning BLR, a Thompson Centre Scout muzzleloader. I see a few revolvers, a Ruger Blackhawk, a Kentucky muzzleloading pistol, some vague smaller semi- autos. The "black gun", referred to as an "AK-47", has no receiver, only a barrel assembly and forestock, is one of the shotguns sawed off or is there a manufactured barrel attached, one can't tell from the photo. Yet, the Saskatoon news indicates three separate attacks of people being slashed with a machete. An school yard where some youths were accosted by two adult males, one wielding a firearm shoots and wounds two of the youth. One news report indicated that the youths refused to co-operate with the police. (I can't say I blame them. The ghetto here operates much like the one in Toronto, where the witness to his own shooting after testifying in court was gunned down on a public street for his trouble.) There may be other facts, but until that is proven to be the case, as for the government in Ottawa and the provincial government in Saskatchewan, well their priority is definitely not public safety. Our situation, both of our Rights and Liberties and criminal dominance continues to deteriorate. The public institutions have their own priorities and exercise them unchecked and unchallenged. On 3-Apr-12, at 9:38 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:40:54 -0600 > From: "Joe Gingrich" > Subject: Aberdeen, Sk., man faces firearms charges > > http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Aberdeen+faces+firearms+charges/6401042/story.html > Aberdeen man faces firearms charges > > The StarPhoenix April 3, 2012 > > A resident of the Aberdeen area was expected to appear in > provincial court > Monday to answer to multiple Criminal Code charges pertaining to > firearms-related offences. > > Saskatoon RCMP along with a member of the national weapons > enforcement team > executed a search warrant Friday on a residence located in the > district. > > The search resulted in the police seizing 27 long-barrel rifles, an > AK-47 > assault rifle, one sawed-off shotgun, 12 handguns, three swords, > multiple > knives and prohibited devices, along with re-loading equipment and > several > thousand rounds of ammunition. The man was charged with unsafe > storage and > other offences. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:43:13 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Aberdeen, Sk., man faces firearms charges At 09:40 AM 03/04/2012 -0600, you wrote: >http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Aberdeen+faces+firearms+charges/6401042/story.html >Aberdeen man faces firearms charges > >The StarPhoenix April 3, 2012 > >A resident of the Aberdeen area was expected to appear in provincial court >Monday to answer to multiple Criminal Code charges pertaining to >firearms-related offences. > >Saskatoon RCMP along with a member of the national weapons enforcement team >executed a search warrant Friday on a residence located in the district. > >The search resulted in the police seizing 27 long-barrel rifles, an AK-47 >assault rifle, one sawed-off shotgun, 12 handguns, three swords, multiple >knives and prohibited devices, along with re-loading equipment and several >thousand rounds of ammunition. The man was charged with unsafe storage and >other offences. I suspect the big charge that is key is section 91 of the Criminal code. Please note - all these charges yet there is no mention of a threat, intimidation, robbery, rape, violence, murder, or a victim. Likely a guy who didn't do the right paper work and end up with a criminal record. And a whopping huge legal bill. And why would reloading equipment be siezed? There are no restrictions in law regarding the possession of reloading equipment? This one does not smell right. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:51:16 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: A nation arms itself -- for what? At 11:05 AM 03/04/2012 -0600, Joe Gingrich wrote: >http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?idP605 > A nation arms itself -- for what? > > "More and more citizens fear that if or when they confront a threat to > their family, lives or property, the police will not be there." > > by Patrick J. Buchanan > > 04/03/2012 > > With the shooting death of Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch > volunteer who was legally carrying a 9-millimeter handgun, the > familiar wail has arisen from our cultural and media elite: > > America has too many guns! > > "Open carry" and "concealed carry" laws should be repealed. > > Florida's "Stand-your-ground" law, replicated in two dozen states, > threatens to turn America into the Tombstone of Doc Hiday and Wyatt > Earp. This is insane! What is really insane is that despite the increase in the number of guns available in the U.S. every year, the numbers of homicides and armed robberies is dropping faster than in Canada - a country that where possession of many guns is simply prohibited and very strict firearms laws exist. What is also insane is that the U.S. has folks in the media who allow journalists to mislead while distorting the truth, or simply lying. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, April 4, 2012 8:14 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Gun owners alarmed by ammunition rules CALGARY HERALD - APRIL 4, 2012 Gun owners alarmed by ammunition rules Confusion over storage requirements BY JEFF DAVIS, POSTMEDIA NEWS APRIL 4, 2012 http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/owners+alarmed+ammunition+rules/6407709/story.html Hunters and shooters are up in arms about the federal government's proposed new explosives regulations, which they say will interfere with everything from big-game hunting and ammunition storage, to re-enacting historic battles. The changes require - for the first time in Canada - gun owners to lock away all ammunition. At present, guns must be locked, but not ammunition. The proposed rules will require all gun owners to install a locking box or safe in their homes. Toronto lawyer Ed Burlew, one of Canada's leading experts in firearms law, described the proposed regulatory changes as "monstrous." He said police already routinely charge lawful firearms owners with unsafe storage - a criminal charge - and that with the changes, more otherwise lawful citizens will be criminalized. "It is not unintended consequences," Burlew said. "This is a move to increase the ability of police to prosecute firearms owners for regulatory infractions." The draft regulations, made public recently, are currently in a 75-day review period. The public has been invited to tell Natural Resources Canada if they have concerns - before the end of June - and the final regulations will come into force in the late summer or early fall. At that point, Natural Resources official Jean-Luc Arpin said, there will be a six-month "grace period" to give affected groups time to adapt. The explosive regulations have been rewritten because the previous laws, passed in 1920, have become outdated, the draft regulations say. Tony Bernardo, head of the Canadian Sports Shooting Association, says the draft regulations are often "oxymoronic," especially when it comes to rules around storing ammunition. The proposed rules would require all ammo to be stored "in a manner that protects them from theft." But what, exactly, will satisfy the new "theft-proof" requirement remains unclear. Most people will be tempted to lock ammunition away in gun safes, he said, but this can become very dangerous in the event of a fire. "You're going to put propellant powder - Class B explosives - into a steel container?" Bernardo said. "They call that a bomb and it's dangerous as hell." Bernardo said Natural Resources officials told him gun owners should construct wooden boxes with brass fixtures for ammunition. These materials don't create sparks, he said, but don't provide much security, either. But Arpin said the safe storage requirements will not be as complicated as Bernardo suspects. He said any locking container - even those which can be easily removed from a house - will probably satisfy the incoming safe storage requirements. The proposed regulations also seriously restrict the use of big-game rifles, since the regulations define "small-arms ammunition" as bullets no larger than .50 calibre. But in Canada, calibres larger than .50 - such as the .577 Snider and the .505 Gibbs rounds - are frequently used to hunt bears and other large or dangerous game. Since these large bullets are not defined as small-arms ammunition in the proposed regulations, Arpin said, they will fall into a more general category of blasting explosives. As a result, shooters who use large calibres will have to acquire explosives licences - such as those needed for dynamite - to continue hunting with large-bore rifles. The definition of small-arms ammunition could be changed before the final regulations come into force, if the public takes issue. "We will consider a slight amendment to the definition based on suggestions received," Arpin said. Owners of antique firearms - such as those who re-enact historic battles - also will see their hobby hobbled by the proposed rules. Antique, muzzleloading black powder guns are considered "nonfirearms" under Canada's firearms classification system, meaning their owners are exempt from the onerous registration and licensing requirements to which users of more modern guns must adhere. But under the proposed regulations, owners of such guns would be unable to legally purchase black powder unless they have a firearms licence. "Antiques don't need a licence, and that's why people enjoy it," Burlew said. "When these regulations come into effect, they won't be able to buy gun powder to shoot their antiques" unless they get a possession and acquisition licence. Arpin said firearms groups, including the National Firearms Association and various hunting and fishing groups, were consulted before the draft regulations were written. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #31 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)