From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #96 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, May 18 2012 Volume 15 : Number 096 In this issue: Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #94 This is NOT the law . Re: Stock checkering Re: [TorSun] Ontario hunters angered their info stored in U.S.: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #94 Arizona Secretary of State Threatens to Remove Obama from Ballot RE: This is NOT the law . Has the bell begun to toll for the GOP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:26:52 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id371852 Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) May 17, 2012 Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today. The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches. It has been such a contentious case that even the evidence is being disputed. The police report states that Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help. But Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father, claims that is not true. The Martin family lawyer Ben Crump told ABC News that Tracy Martin initially listened to a distorted version of the 911 calls and said he could not identify the voice. But when he listened to a second tape that had been "cleaned," "He immediately broke down in tears because he knew it was his son calling for help," Crump said. The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male. Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man who volunteered for the neighborhood watch committee who claimed that he shot Martin in self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman's gun. The documents start with a criticism of Zimmerman's decision to follow the teenager, who Zimmerman said was looking suspicious. "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement," an investigating officer wrote. Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin. Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a battered nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his "facial area was bloodied," and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass. "Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head," Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote. Another officer wrote, "I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken." Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened. "He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass." A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police. The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight. Yet another witness described the confrontation in emotional terms. The witness heard "someone yelling, almost crying. Then I heard a gunshot." The witness wrote that he or she "saw a man on top of a guy laying on the ground. He was putting his hands on his neck or chest." The man asked the witness to call 911. "He stood up and took a couple steps away and put his hands on his head and then walked back over to the guy on the ground. He looked at him for a minute, then started to walk away toward the road. That is when the police walked up," the witness wrote. The lead investigator on the case, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard "yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin." Martin's death sparked public outrage after police released Zimmerman without any criminal charges for the killing. Zimmerman was later charged with second-degree murder, and the killing provoked widespread debate about racial profiling. The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle. Martin's autopsy report also revealed that there was a quarter-inch by half-inch abrasion on the left fourth finger of Martin, another indication of a possible struggle. The teen, who lived in Miami, was in Sanford while serving a suspension for a bag of marijuana being discovered in his possession. Martin had THC, the drug found in marijuana, in his blood on the night of his death, according to the autopsy. His family told ABC News that it was "trace amounts" of THC. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 01:34:09 -0300 From: mikeack Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #94 On 2012-05-18 00:26, Peter wrote: > Subject: Re: Pellet gun use prompts warning from RCMP > > I thought that air guns ( 495 fps) may be discharged lawfully outside > of city/town boundries such as in quarry pits and on rural private > property. > > Is this not correct? > > Peter This may be a case of the police exercising discretion by not charging them with poaching (shooting at ducks) or willful destruction of property (shooting at a wharf across the lake), or dangerous use (shooting over a waterway) - all of which are possible according to the information in the article. Doesn't matter it was a pellet gun in regards to those illegal activities. It sounds like the police cut them some slack. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:06:43 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: This is NOT the law . Letter sent to Vernon Morning Star RE 10x posting of pellet gun seized . . Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 06:03:33 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Pellet gun use prompts warning from RCMP At , you wrote: > VERNON MORNING STAR - MAY 16, 2012 > Pellet gun use prompts warning from Lake Country police > http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/151611305.html > > The Lake Country RCMP seized what turned out to be a pellet gun after > reports of someone shooting at ducks from the dock of a lakeside > pub. The report came into RCMP Thursday at 6:30 p.m. with witnesses > saying a man was on the north side of the dock at Turtle Bay Pub with > what appeared to be a black handgun, and the reports indicated the man > was shooting at ducks. "Police attended and found the individual," > said RCMP Const. Kris Clark. The 20-year-old Lake Country man was > still on the dock with friends and claimed that they had been using a > pellet gun to shoot across the water to the other dock, not at the > ducks. "The pellet gun they were using could've certainly been > mistaken for a real firearm, even up close," said Clark. The gun was > seized by police and will be destroyed. No charges have been > recommended. Just a minute, a legally owned pellet gun, used legally is seized and will be destroyed by the police. NO charges laid either? Any police force that seizes property and destroys it with no evidence of a crime, trial, or conviction has taken over the role of the judge in a courtroom - not to mention has become a law unto itself. This is NOT A CANADA that I want to live in. Len sez: Actually this IS NOT THE COUNTRY YOU ARE LIVING IN. No police officer may destroy anything without a court order . He hasn't the latitude . . I strongly recommend the issuance of Sect 337 CCC upon the detachment commander demanding the return of your property . Sect 337 CCC: PUBLIC SERVANT REFUSING TO DELIVER PROPERTY . 337, Everyone who, being or having been employed in the service of Her Majesty in right of Canada or in right of a province, or in the service of a municipality, and entrusted by virtue of that employment with the receipt, custody, management or control of anything refuses or fails to deliver it to a person who is authorized to demand it and does demand it IS GUILTY OF AN INDICTABLE OFFENCE AND LIABLE TO IMPRISONMENT FOR A TERM NOT EXCEEDING FOURTEEN YEARS. So: Len sez . . IF you have not been charged, and the opportunity to present your case to a judge . . then anything the officer does is illegal. Unless a judge orders it, the officer has NO justification to destroy anything . The Criminal Code says so . . Len Miller Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:09:41 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Stock checkering I know a guy in Manitoba that does hand checkering. If you want his name and number send me an email. Scott > Can anybody recommend a person in AB or SK or BC that does good stock > checkering? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 06:54:01 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: [TorSun] Ontario hunters angered their info stored in U.S.: At 06:42 AM 17/05/2012 -0700, you wrote: > >http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/16/ontario-hunters-angered-their-info-stored-in-us-tory-mpp > >Ontario hunters angered their info stored in U.S.: >Tory MPP > >By Antonella Artuso ,Queen's Park Bureau Chief > > >TORONTO - Ontario hunters are up in arms — literally. > >Tory MPP Laurie Scott says they’re angry after learning their personal >information is flowing across the U.S. border. > >Hunters accessing the Ministry of Natural Resources’ new electronic >licensing system are being told on an automated message that their >information may be subject to foreign laws, she said. > >“They’re outraged that this exists,” Scott said. “I know the Ontario >Federation of Anglers and Hunters (OFAH) are quite concerned about it >too.” > >A contract to operate the Licensing Automation Service starting Jan. 1 — >replacing a paper-based system — was awarded to the U.S.-based Active >Outdoors. > >OFAH says in a news release that many members are worried about the >movement of their information across an international border to a country >where the U.S. Patriot Act prevails. The Ontario government has a number of problems. 1) the steward ship of public funds. Low bider was selected, but it was not an Ontario company. The Ontario government does not support Ontario business 2) Collecting personal information and then allowing a non government contractor in a foreign country to keep, process, and have access to that information. Contrary to provincial and federal privacy laws 3) the fact that this action tells the public that the Ontario government has no respect for Ontario business, Canadian business, or provincial or federal privacy laws. 4) the fact that this shows little respect for the citizens from whom the personal information was collected 5) the fact that the bureaucrats involved in the bidding process would not raise these concerns and object strongly and loudly - or maybe it was the bureaucrats who recommended them. Politicians get thrown out of office, bureaucrats remain to carry on advising the politicians and governing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:28:46 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #94 At 01:34 AM 18/05/2012 -0300, you wrote: >On 2012-05-18 00:26, Peter wrote: >> Subject: Re: Pellet gun use prompts warning from RCMP >> >> I thought that air guns ( 495 fps) may be discharged lawfully outside >> of city/town boundries such as in quarry pits and on rural private >> property. >> >> Is this not correct? >> >> Peter > > > This may be a case of the police exercising discretion by not charging >them with poaching (shooting at ducks) or willful destruction of >property (shooting at a wharf across the lake), or dangerous use >(shooting over a waterway) - all of which are possible according to the >information in the article. > >Doesn't matter it was a pellet gun in regards to those illegal activities. > >It sounds like the police cut them some slack. > >-- >M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) When the police start to barter what is criminal, and what is not in exchange for property then the system is corrupt. They have used to law and threat of law to relieve an individual of their property - no hearing in court and possibly simple intimidation Those who condone the police negotiating for cash or property in lieu of laying charges may be part of the problem. A police officer has seized and destroyed the personal property of a citizen without a trial? That is in the realm of kings and nobility and goes against common law rights. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:12:02 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Arizona Secretary of State Threatens to Remove Obama from Ballot http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/05/18/ariz-secretary-state-threatens-remove-obama-ballot/ Arizona Secretary of State Threatens to Remove Obama from Ballot by Keith Koffler on May 18, 2012, 8:25 am Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett is threatening to keep President Obama's name off the state's ballot in November unless he receives confirmation from Hawaii that it has a valid birth certificate on file for him. Bennett, who spoke to Arizona radio host Mike Broomhead Thursday, said he requested the confirmation eight weeks ago and has not gotten it. Hawaii, he said, does not have to supply a certified copy of the birth certificate, merely send him an email confirming that it has one. Asked by Broomhead if he would remove Obama's name from the ballot if Hawaii fails to comply, Bennett said: "That's possible. Or the other option would be that I would ask all the candidates, including the president, to submit a certified copy of their birth certificate." Despite overwhelming evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, the issue of his birth continues to dog him. Thursday, Breitbart Big Government reported on a promotional booklet by Obama's own literary agency listing him as having been born in Kenya. Bennett said Hawaii law permits government officials to request verification of possession of a birth certificate in lieu of a certified copy. "They could say yes tomorrow and the whole thing goes away," Bennett said. "If they can't say yes to that simple question, then it makes me wonder if we have to take it to another level. One way or another, we have to have some simple verification that people are qualified for the office if they're going to be on the ballot here in Arizona." Bennett asserted that he is not a "birther" and denied accusations that he is playing to the birther crowd in Arizona because he wants to run for governor. But Bennett also hedged in stating his belief that Obama was Hawwaii-born. "I believe the president was born in Hawaii - or at least I hope he was," Bennett said. Arizona, with its 11 electoral votes, is an important 2012 presidential battleground state. A Real Clear Politics average of recent polling in the state has Mitt Romney ahead by only four points. One thing I'd like to make clear. This blog believes Obama was born in Hawaii. But it also believes threats by the Arizona Secretary of State to exclude the president from the ballot are newsworthy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:13:06 -0600 From: "Todd Brown" Subject: RE: This is NOT the law . Keep those nuggets of information coming, Len. I ,for one, appreciate them. Todd Brown Concerned Gun Owners of Alberta Co-founder CGOA bvhunting@xplornet.com - -----Original Message----- From: Len Miller Sent: May-17-12 11:07 PM To: Cdn-Firearms Digest Subject: This is NOT the law . Letter sent to Vernon Morning Star RE 10x posting of pellet gun seized . . Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 06:03:33 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Pellet gun use prompts warning from RCMP At , you wrote: > VERNON MORNING STAR - MAY 16, 2012 > Pellet gun use prompts warning from Lake Country police > http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/151611305.html > > The Lake Country RCMP seized what turned out to be a pellet gun after > reports of someone shooting at ducks from the dock of a lakeside pub. > The report came into RCMP Thursday at 6:30 p.m. with witnesses saying > a man was on the north side of the dock at Turtle Bay Pub with what > appeared to be a black handgun, and the reports indicated the man was > shooting at ducks. "Police attended and found the individual," > said RCMP Const. Kris Clark. The 20-year-old Lake Country man was > still on the dock with friends and claimed that they had been using a > pellet gun to shoot across the water to the other dock, not at the > ducks. "The pellet gun they were using could've certainly been > mistaken for a real firearm, even up close," said Clark. The gun was > seized by police and will be destroyed. No charges have been > recommended. Just a minute, a legally owned pellet gun, used legally is seized and will be destroyed by the police. NO charges laid either? Any police force that seizes property and destroys it with no evidence of a crime, trial, or conviction has taken over the role of the judge in a courtroom - not to mention has become a law unto itself. This is NOT A CANADA that I want to live in. Len sez: Actually this IS NOT THE COUNTRY YOU ARE LIVING IN. No police officer may destroy anything without a court order . He hasn't the latitude . . I strongly recommend the issuance of Sect 337 CCC upon the detachment commander demanding the return of your property . Sect 337 CCC: PUBLIC SERVANT REFUSING TO DELIVER PROPERTY . 337, Everyone who, being or having been employed in the service of Her Majesty in right of Canada or in right of a province, or in the service of a municipality, and entrusted by virtue of that employment with the receipt, custody, management or control of anything refuses or fails to deliver it to a person who is authorized to demand it and does demand it IS GUILTY OF AN INDICTABLE OFFENCE AND LIABLE TO IMPRISONMENT FOR A TERM NOT EXCEEDING FOURTEEN YEARS. So: Len sez . . IF you have not been charged, and the opportunity to present your case to a judge . . then anything the officer does is illegal. Unless a judge orders it, the officer has NO justification to destroy anything . The Criminal Code says so . . Len Miller Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:42:27 -0600 From: "Joe Gingrich" Subject: Has the bell begun to toll for the GOP http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?idQ583 Has the bell begun to toll for the GOP by Patrick J. Buchanan 05/18/2012 Among the more controversial chapters in "Suicide of a Superpower," my book published last fall, was the one titled, "The End of White America." It dealt with the demographic decline of the white majority and what it portends for education, the U.S. economy, politics and national unity. That book and chapter proved the proximate cause of my departure from MSNBC, where the network president declared that subjects such as these are inappropriate for "the national dialogue." Apparently, the mainstream media are reassessing that. For, in rare unanimity, The New York Times, The Washington Post and USA Today all led yesterday with the same story. "Whites Account for Under Half of Births in U.S.," blared the Times headline. "Minority Babies Majority in U.S.," echoed the Post. "Minorities Are Now a Majority of Births," proclaimed USA Today. The USA Today story continued, "The nation's growing diversity has huge implications for education, economics and politics." Huge is right. Not only are whites declining as a share of the population, they are declining in real terms. Between 2010 and 2011, the number of births to white women fell 10 percent. The median age of white Americans, now 43 and rising, means that half of all white women have moved past the age that they are ever likely to bear more children. White America is a dying tribe. What do these statistics mean politically? Almost surely the end of the Republican Party as a national governing institution. Republicans now depend on the vanishing majority for fully 90 percent of their votes in presidential elections, while the Democratic Party wins 60 to 70 percent of the Asian and Hispanic vote and 90 to 95 percent of the black vote. The Democratic base is growing inexorably, while the Republican base is shriveling. Already, California, Illinois and New York are lost. The GOP has not carried any of the three in five presidential elections. When Texas -- where whites are a minority and a declining share of the population -- tips, how does the GOP put together an electoral majority? Western states like Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona, which Republican nominees like Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan swept almost every time they ran, are becoming problematic for the party. Thus the GOP refrain: We must work harder to win over Hispanics. Undeniably true. But how does the GOP appeal to them? Fifty-three percent of all Hispanic children are born out of wedlock, with no father in the home and many of the moms themselves high school dropouts. Most Hispanic kids thus start school far behind. In tests of fourth-, eighth- and 12th-graders, their scores are closer to those of African-American kids than whites and Asians. Their dropout rate matches that of black kids. Absent affirmative action, not only are America's colleges and universities but her professions are going to look far more Asian and white than the national population. Not a formula for social peace. Comes the reply: We must spend more to close the racial gap in test scores. Yet, according to The Washington Examiner, in the District of Columbia, the community where we have spent perhaps the most per capita to close the racial gap in test scores, the racial gap is by far the largest in the nation. Not only do we seem not to know how to close it after four decades of plunging trillions into public schools, the country is tapped out. We are in the fourth consecutive year of trillion-dollar deficits, and our largest and richest state, California, just discovered its deficit has exploded to $16 billion. And why should Hispanics vote Republican? The majority of Hispanics are among that half of the population that pays no income tax. Why should they vote for a party whose major plank is that it will cut income taxes? Hispanics benefit disproportionately from government programs. Government puts their kids in Head Start before public school and provides them with Pell grants and student loans after public school. From kindergarten through 12th grade, government educates their kids for free. Government provides them with free or subsidized health care through Medicaid and clinics. Government provides their families with public housing and rent supplements. Government provides the food stamps that feed the family. Government provides them with an annual earned income tax credit, a check just for working. Government provides all these things, and what are Republicans going to do? They promise to cut government. Again, why should Hispanics vote Republican? Establishment Republicans say the party should support amnesty for illegal aliens. Yet this would make millions more eligible for federal programs in a country sinking in debt and mean millions more Hispanics going to the polls, and millions more coming to America in anticipation of the next amnesty. How would that help the GOP? By endlessly expanding Great Society programs, by lopping taxpayers off tax rolls, by supporting open borders and endless immigration from the Third World, the Republican Party, out of sheer nobility of character, has probably ensured its impending departure from history. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #96 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)