From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #110 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, May 29 2012 Volume 15 : Number 110 In this issue: Re:global arms treaty vs. armed citizen- Digest V15 #107 Re: "Toronto legal clinic seeks to save federal lg registry ..." Re: Canada's gun owners shouldn't expect much help from Ottawa RE: "Danish police arrest 2 Somalis in alleged terror plot" Bill requiring registry of gun offenders I want to help her HUFFINGTON POST: Guns Now Kill More People Than Cars in 10 States RE: I want to help her ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:50:56 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re:global arms treaty vs. armed citizen- Digest V15 #107 On 29-May-12, at 12:03 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 23:59:06 -0600 > From: Rocky7 > Subject: Global arms treaty >> >> Date: Sat, May 26, 2012 9:47 am >> From: "mikeack" >> Subject: Re: Is a global arms trade treaty worth the trouble? >> >> On 2012-05-26 11:40, Dennis R. Young wrote: >>> In theory, the case for comprehensive treaty to address conventional >>> arms flows is sound. As my FP colleague Christian Caryl pointed out >>> here, it's conventional weapons, not their more anxiety-inducing >>> cousins, that actually take lives in conflicts around the world: WMD >>> have killed very few people in the decades after World War II. The >>> overwhelming majority of the millions of people who have died in >>> conflicts since 1945 were killed by bullets, bombs, and artillery. >>> And most of these casualties, in turn, are caused not by tanks or >>> planes but small arms -- which nowadays usually means assault rifles. >> >> Absolutely not true: The vast majority of civilians killed in the >> last >> 100 years have been killed by displacement, starvation, disease, >> physical, medical, and social neglect, and overt slavery >> conditions in >> re-education camps. They were killed because of a decided lack of > simple >> firearms. Only the governments killing them had guns and without the >> means to stop them, the people were left unprotected to suffer the >> consequences of trusting big government. >> >> So I ask, if large national governments wreak such havoc - after >> disarming their target populations of course - , what do we think > would >> happen under even larger global governments and their planned total >> global civilian disarmament?? >> >> - -- >> M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) >> Rural Family Physician, >> Sherbrooke, NS > > You're exactly right, Mike. > > This U.N. treaty is spearheaded by the usual suspects - Wendy Kookier > was one of the founders of IANSA. Soros provided money. IANSA is > running this show at the U.N. Same ideology, same people, only > more of > them. Same phobias. Same propaganda. Same danger for freedom. > > The rational answer to cruelty in barbaric countries would be to hand > out free .45's with a case of ammo. I've long thought the same about > Mexico, too. I wonder if Juan the Drug Lord would be quite as willing > to bully Pedro and Rosita if they were both armed? Would he still be > willing to go to the police station and shoot the Chief if > everybody in town was armed? I doubt it. Very good point, so far they've tried everything else. Your suggestion, arming the citizenry, is also so much cheaper than outfitting and training tens of thousands of police and armed forces, many of whom, just go directly over to the gangsters, anyway. Mexico's long standing civilian disarmament program was gradually implemented after the successful but incomplete Revolution of 1910 led by Emiliano Zapata and Pancho Villa. The policy was to protect the remnants of the old corrupt government from gradually taking over again. It appears to have worked. > > R7 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:09:51 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: "Toronto legal clinic seeks to save federal lg registry ..." To successfully defend themselves against this anti-male feminist (Liberal strategy) legal onslaught the Harper government will have to submit full expert scientific analysis of the gun control program as evidence, until it is fully and publicly discredited. Something they've chosen not to do or to even release what they have. Politically it would need backing from the provinces who support the repeal policy, too. Will they actually do this or risk losing their minimalist gun law reform? After which they'll be able to claim the Supreme Court rules the land not the elected government. On 29-May-12, at 12:03 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Sun, May 27, 2012 11:40 am > From: "Dennis R. Young" > Subject: Toronto legal clinic seeks to save federal long-gun registry > > TORONTO STAR - MAY 24, 2012 > Toronto legal clinic seeks to save federal long-gun registry > By Laurie Monsebraaten, Social Justice Reporter Comments (52) > http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1185244--toronto-legal-clinic-seeks-to-save-federal-long-gun-registry > > A Toronto legal clinic that helps female victims of violence is > going to > court to save the federal long-gun registry. The Barbra Schlifer > Clinic and > its executive director have filed an application before the Ontario > Superior > Court to have most of Bill C-19 declared unconstitutional. And they > are > seeking an injunction to ensure the registry continues to operate > and no > data is destroyed until the case is heard. The Harper government's > legislation to kill the registry and prevent future collection of > long-gun > registration data received royal assent in April. > > The clinic and its director say women's rights under the Canadian > Charter of > Rights and Freedoms - specifically, their right to security and gender > equality - would be violated by destroying the registry. "Changes > to the > existing gun-control regime will increase the risk of physical > violence, > forcible confinement at threat of physical violence, serious > physical harm, > serious psychological harm, and homicide to women in situations of > domestic > violence," they say in their application. The injunction motion > will be > heard Aug. 8 while the full case will go to court in March 2013. > Until now, > only Quebec has taken legal action against the registry's demise. > But the > province, which wants to start its own registry using the federal > data, is > seeking to protect only long-gun ownership records for Quebec > residents. > > If successful, this latest action, launched May 16, would protect > records in > every province and ensure the federal registry continues, said > Shaun O'Brien > of Cavalluzzo Hayes Shilton McIntyre & Cornish LLP.She is > representing the > clinic and its executive director, Amanda Dale, on a pro bono basis. A > spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the > government will > "vigorously defend" its legislation. "This application for an > injunction > does nothing to diminish our commitment to ending the long-gun > registry once > and for all," Julie Carmichael said in an email Thursday. "The > wasteful and > ineffective long-gun registry did nothing to reduce crime or violence > against women," she added. > > Lawyers for the federal government assured the court at a > scheduling hearing > Wednesday that no records are scheduled to be deleted until > October, which > should keep the registry safe until the injunction motion is heard, > O'Brien > said. "We deal with women who have a variety of forms of violence > committed > against them, including gun violence and it's our observation that > guns are > a factor in their increased risk, in their intimidation against taking > actions to protect themselves," Dale said in an interview. "We > think this > case is important." In cases of domestic violence, police rely on the > registry for information about what weapons a woman may be facing > and it > helps officers know what guns may need to be removed, Dale and the > clinic > say in their application. This helps to keep women safe, they argue. > > The main reason given by the government for killing the registry > has been > cost and bureaucratic red tape, O'Brien said. "The risk to women is > grossly > disproportionate to the benefits they have given for doing this," > she said > The clinic was established in the memory of Barbra Schlifer, an > Osgoode Hall > law student who was sexually assaulted and murdered on the night of > her call > to the bar. Since the clinic opened in 1984, it has served some > 44,000 women > and is the only clinic in Canada that specializes in providing free > legal > services to women who experience violence. > > Earlier this month, Toronto city council passed a motion urging > Queen's Park > to ask Ottawa for records on local gun owners from the soon-to-be > destroyed > long-gun registry. It reaffirmed its support for the federal > registry and > ordered city lawyers to seek ways to prevent the deletion of > records of more > than 287,000 registered firearms in the GTA. Mississauga passed a > similar > motion last year. > > > Facebook: 236 people recommend this. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:47:35 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Canada's gun owners shouldn't expect much help from Ottawa This sums it up pretty well. Though, I'd argue that various regulations and protocols can be changed with lobbying, if enough provinces request that, as it provides them the political cover needed. Then there is my old idea of a provincial Right to Hunt, as a constitutional right. Otherwise it appears we're subject to what is felt acceptable in Ontario. Does anyone remember the Ontario Spring Bear hunt? It's not perfect but access to an Oakes Test means a great deal in court. The hunters, target shooters, rural population and defenders of traditional rights of Canadians have a tough political battle ahead of them. On 29-May-12, at 8:58 AM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, May 28, 2012 2:51 pm > From: "Dennis R. Young" > Subject: Canada's gun owners shouldn't expect much help from Ottawa... > > ... by Matt Gurney > > NATIONAL POST - FULL COMMENT - MAY 28, 2012 - 1:22 PM ET > Canada's gun owners shouldn't expect much help from Ottawa by Matt > Gurney > http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/28/matt-gurney-canadas-gun-owners-shouldnt-expect-much-help-from-ottawa/ > > Gun owners who thought they had a friend in the Conservative > government in > Ottawa are in for a nasty surprise. It would seem that, having > delivered on > its promise to scrap the long-gun registry, the federal Tories feel > that > they've paid their dues to Canada's lawful firearms owners. From > here on in, > the Conservatives won't be doing gun owners any favours. The federal > government recently quietly announced that, effective this > September, it > will begin charging firearms licence holders to renew their > licences. The > licences are required to possess a firearm, or to purchase > ammunition, and > must be renewed every five years. As of September, those who hold a > licence > for restricted or prohibited firearms will need to plunk down $80 > for the > paperwork. By next May, those seeking to renew a licence for non- > restricted > firearms - hunting rifles and most shotguns - will have to fork > over $60. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:11:12 -0600 From: "Todd Brown" Subject: RE: "Danish police arrest 2 Somalis in alleged terror plot" I always tell people that the fastest way to start a fight is to tell someone that what they believe in is wrong, or to tell a cowboy he is training his horse wrong........my 2 bits. Todd Brown Concerned Gun Owners of Alberta Co-founder CGOA bvhunting@xplornet.com - -----Original Message----- From: Clive Edwards Sent: May-29-12 11:02 AM To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: RE: "Danish police arrest 2 Somalis in alleged terror plot" >(again more politically correct un-analysis. The cartoons published in Denmark in 2005, were an expression of Western society value of free political >expression in defiance of Sharia law. The suppression of political/religious criticism is fundamental to Sharia law and the penalty to such is death. >Mo was very clear. Suppression of public criticism is essential for Stealth Jihad to succeed.) >Canadian government analysts worry about when some Somali that >Canadians (are) fighting (overseas) decide to return here. Ah, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. If Canadians, Americans or anyone else are worried about those they are attacking in their homelands deciding to bring the war here, then perhaps we shouldn't be there. Of course regarding the Danish Cartoons and lack of support for Sharia law in the west, we must remember that Christianity used to respond the same way, and not only during the Inquisition. We outgrew that response only because Christians eventually began to believe such behaviour was un-Christian. Muslims need to grow up, get a sense of humour about it and move on. Muslims are a "younger" religion and perhaps they need more time. Judging by the Jews in Israel, however, that might not help. Any religion or political theology that needs to support itself by force is eventually on the losing end and shouldn't be surprised when people sneer at it and fight back. Killing in the name of God, any God, is an excellent argument for atheism. Clive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 4:59 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Bill requiring registry of gun offenders Prince George's County to vote on bill requiring registry of gun offenders next month THE ASSOCIATED PRESS - Last Updated: May 29, 2012 - 5:31 am http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/ea0cdce876f14c268d479a07b5a2b8f0/DC--Prince-Georges-Gun-Registry/ UPPER MARLBORO, Md. - People convicted of gun crimes in Prince George's County could soon be required to register, regularly check in with police and submit to home visits from officers. The Washington Post ( http://tinyurl.com/6rkpu64 ) reports the nine-member county council has signed on as co-sponsors of a bill requiring the registry. Officials are expected to vote on the measure on June 5. If the bill passes, the county would join an increasing number of local governments in the area and across the country that allow police to monitor gun offenders. Authorities say the District of Columbia and Baltimore have created such registries in recent years and assigned detectives to visit the homes of convicted gun offenders. Information from: The Washington Post, http://www.washingtonpost.com - ---------------------------------- BALTIMORE'S GUN OFFENDER REGISTRY City Of Baltimore - posted: February 5th, 2009 http://www.americantowns.com/md/baltimore/news/baltimore-s-gun-offender-registry-164171 WHAT IS IT? - - Baltimore's Gun Offender Registry requires individuals convicted of gun offenses in Baltimore City to register their current address and report to the Baltimore Police Department every six months for a period of three years following their conviction or period of incarceration. Within 48 hours of conviction, each gun offender is required to file their names and aliases, a photograph, and a confirmed address. Failure to comply with the registration requirement is a misdemeanor and punishable by a fine of not more than $1000 or imprisonment of not more than 12 months or both. WHY A GUN OFFENDER REGISTRY? - - A key component of Mayor Dixon's Crime Strategy is targeted enforcement and the most important target is illegal guns and the people who carry them. The data shows that persons convicted of gun offenses are re-arrested at a high rate, often committing new criminal offenses while armed. GunStat statistics show that nearly 40% of defendants charged with felony gun crimes have prior gun arrests. In addition, 50% of suspects arrested on homicide charges have prior gun convictions. Baltimore's Gun Offender Registry helps Baltimore combat gun violence by enabling pro-active monitoring of gun offenders - to prevent them from re-offending and increasing prompt apprehension of these gun offenders if they do engage in criminal activity. HOW DOES A PERSON GET ON THE GUN OFFENDER REGISTRY? - - Adults convicted of illegally possessing or using guns or firearms will be required to register as gun offenders. WHERE DO GUN OFFENDERS REGISTER? - - Gun Offenders must personally appear at the Baltimore Police Department's Gun Offender Monitoring Unit located at 2100 Guilford Avenue, Room # 111, Baltimore, MD 21218 between the hours of 10:00am and 2:00pm Monday through Friday. HOW LONG DOES A PERSON REMAIN ON THE GUN OFFENDER REGISTRY? - - Three years from the date of conviction or release from imprisonment, whichever is later. WHO ENFORCES THE GUN OFFENDER REGISTRY? - - The multi-jurisdictional Gun Trace Task Force led by the Baltimore Police Department. HOW MANY GUN OFFENDERS ARE REGISTERED? - - At the end of January 2009, there were a total of 461 gun offenders eligible for the gun registry. Of them, 262 are incarcerated, 50 live outside Baltimore City, and 149 live in the City and are registered. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 7:02 pm From: "mikeack" Subject: I want to help her Greetings. Re: http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/05-29-12-jailed-honor-student-case-sparks-outrage-judge-says-he-cant-be-soft-after-locking-up-working-teen/ I want to donate $100.00 to Diane Tran. Please inform me where I should sent the cheque. Thanks in advance, and thanks for bringing this to light. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:31 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: HUFFINGTON POST: Guns Now Kill More People Than Cars in 10 States THE HUFFINGTON POST - MAY 29, 2012 - 2:43 pm Guns Now Kill More People Than Cars in 10 States by Richard Schiffman http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/guns-now-kill-more-people_b_1552079.html The recent killing of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman in a gated community in Florida has reignited the controversy over gun violence in America. Whether the shooting was an act of self-defense, as Zimmerman's lawyer claims, or murder plain and simple has been left to a jury to decide. But clearly it never would have happened if the possession of handguns were illegal, or severely restricted, as it is in Europe, where per-capita gun deaths are only one seventh of what they are in the U.S. Gun fatalities have been on the rise, slowly but steadily every year since 2002, according to a National Institute of Justice survey. In 1975, 60 percent of the homicides in the U.S. were committed using a handgun. By 2005 that number had shot up to nearly 80 percent, with the rise in gang related gun killings even steeper. This trend gives the lie to the NRA claim that easy access to guns does not pose a danger to Americans. It does. The more handguns there are out there, the more likely they will be used to commit a violent crime. In 2008, 31,593 Americans were killed by handguns. In addition, over 40,000 were injured in nonlethal gun attacks, leaving some victims crippled for life. Compare these appalling casualty figures to the slightly over 1,000 U.S. Armed Service personnel and private contractors who were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during the same period. Clearly we gun-toting Americans are our own worst enemies. The violence that we perpetrate on one another with handguns is more than 30 times as deadly than the attacks of Al Qaeda and the Taliban combined! Not only that, but in ten states (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Virginia and Washington) you are more likely to be killed by a gun than in a car accident, according to an analysis just released by the advocacy group, the Violence Policy Center (VPC). This is surprising given that 90 percent of U.S. households have cars, whereas fewer than a third own guns, VPC's Legislative Director Kristen Rand points out. "Motor vehicles -- unlike guns -- are essential to the functioning of the entire U.S. economy," Rand says, adding, "It is time to end firearms' status as the last unregulated consumer product." The reason that cars have been getting safer is precisely because they are regulated. And those regulations are getting stiffer every year. The National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act passed in 1966 authorized the federal government to set standards for car safety, which have resulted in a whole slew of new mandatory life-saving features like head rests, energy-absorbing steering wheels and shatter-resistant windshields. Highways themselves are being designed better with clearer delineation of curves, use of breakaway sign and utility poles, enhanced illumination, more barriers separating oncoming traffic lanes, and more guardrails than in the past. And stricter enforcement of laws against drunk driving and mandating seat belt use have also gone a long way toward making our highways safer. When it comes to guns, by contrast, it is still the wild west out there. In many states, there is no age or background check (at gun shows) for those who want to purchase a handgun. In some places, you can pack a concealed weapon anywhere you wish, including bars where alcohol is served. And there are few restrictions on the types or numbers of guns that one can buy. Sniper rifles, as well as military style assault and automatic weapons -- some powerful enough to shoot down a helicopter -- are sold openly on the internet. Steve Barborini, a former supervisor for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told MSNBC that the online sales loophole permits what he called "a weapons bazaar for criminals." There's no background check, Anybody that has a murder conviction can simply log on, email someone, meet 'em in a parking lot, and buy a freaking AK-47. A bill introduced in the Senate by New York's Chuck Schumer to stop this illicit internet traffic in guns has been tied up in committee for over a year now, thanks in part to the machinations of the NRA. The powerful gun lobby is also active in virtually every state of the union making sure that effective legislation never sees the light of day. Even law enforcement agencies have their hands tied in many states by legislation which prevents them from taking effective action to monitor and restrict handguns. Florida, for example, where the Trayvon Martin shooting occurred, bans its cities and counties from regulating firearms without the state's permission, prevents police from collecting data on firearm sales at pawnshops and forbids adoption agencies from considering gun ownership when looking at placing children, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence says that Florida has some terrible gun laws -- but not the worst in the nation, by their reckoning. That dubious distinction goes jointly to Arizona, Alaska and Utah, where restrictions on gun purchases are virtually nonexistent. What impact do gun laws have? Gun control opponents claim that limiting the availability of handguns does not make us safer, but more vulnerable to criminal gun violence. Their solution: arm ordinary citizens and the bad guys will be outgunned. But this is a prescription for escalating gun violence. The five states with the highest per-capita gun death rates -- Louisiana, Wyoming, Alabama, Montana and Mississippi -- all have extremely high rates of private handgun ownership, according to the Violence Policy Center. They also have conspicuously weak gun laws. By contrast, the five states with the lowest rates of gun-related deaths -- Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut -- have fewer handguns and the toughest gun control laws in the nation. The evidence is clear -- the more guns are out there, the more likely they will be used to take a life. To cut these escalating death rates, we need to strictly restrict access to handguns, as they do in virtually every other advanced nation on earth. The highways of America are a whole lot safer today because of the aggressive and highly effective government regulation of automobiles. Let's regulate handguns and make our streets safe too! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:46:41 -0700 From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: I want to help her http://helpdianetran.com/ Jim Pook Richmond Alice Wong, MP - -----Original Message----- From: mikeack Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:02 PM To: sarah@culturemap.com Subject: I want to help her Greetings. Re: http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/05-29-12-jailed-honor-student-case- sparks-outrage-judge-says-he-cant-be-soft-after-locking-up-working-teen/ I want to donate $100.00 to Diane Tran. Please inform me where I should sent the cheque. Thanks in advance, and thanks for bringing this to light. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #110 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)