From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #120 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, June 5 2012 Volume 15 : Number 120 In this issue: Bracing for Summer of the Gun 2 Heartfelt thanks Re:The Enemy Within TO Eaton Centre suspect Christopher Husbands was on house arrest Fwd: Preach it, padre! Re: DIGEST POSTING: From the Archives!!! Re:Harper's hunting panel includes groups backed by foreign Re: Bracing for Summer of the Gun 2 Re: The Enemy Within Screwed Again Fwd: Letter to the Editor Re: "The enemy within" Digest V15 #119 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, June 4, 2012 11:06 pm From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: Bracing for Summer of the Gun 2 TORONTO SUN - JUNE 5, 2012 Bracing for Summer of the Gun 2 BY JOE WARMINGTON, TORONTO SUN 282 COMMENTS http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/03/heading-for-another-summer-of-the-gun "One idiot with a gun doesn't speak to the state of affairs of Toronto." - Acting Deputy Chief Jeff McGuire If only it was just one idiot with a gun. In packing for his new job as Niagara's police chief, Jeff McGuire may have missed there has been more than 100 idiots with guns this year in Toronto - dozens more than this time last year. Toronto's shootings in 2012 are on a similar pace with the numbers of 2005's deadly Summer of the Gun - even though Mayor Rob Ford said Sunday "this is the safest city in the world." It wasn't this weekend - or so far this year. Meaning well, neither of their community-comforting attempts are backed up by the actual facts. Toronto is not safe because someone says it is. You can't gloss this stuff over because people can count. Chief Bill Blair had it right Saturday when he called the callous shooting of innocent people inside the Eaton Centre "outrageous." Having done a good job over his tenure fighting gangs, he knows, as many Toronto city councillors now acknowledge, there is a very real concern for 2012 becoming Summer of the Gun 2. There is no point in denying it. The statistics show the trend. What happened Saturday at the Eaton Centre was Toronto's 101st shooting incident of 2012. In 2011 by this past weekend, Toronto had 69 shooting incidents. This disgraceful targeting of a gang member, thus also hitting six innocent people including a 13-year-old boy (and resulting in the trampling of a pregnant woman) put Toronto's shooting victims for 2012 at 129 if you count the pregnant woman that was trampled - or 130 if you count the fetus she's carrying. Last year at this time there had been 76 shooting victims. It's a staggering 60% higher in 2012. Reader Tony Salvatore points out media headlines from the past few days as illustration: Armed-robbery at Toronto barbershop - four-charged; Several arrested after ETF responds to gunfire in east end; Suspect sought after man found dead in car in Scarborough; and Victim shot inside hotel on Warden Ave. "It's an isolated incident," McGuire tells us. However, according to Toronto Police's own crime statistics, this was the ninth shooting downtown so far in 2012. "This is a targeted shooting and not a random act of violence against the members of the general public," said Toronto Police Det.-Sgt. Brian Borg. It doesn't make people like paralyzed non-targeted Louise Russo or the family of slain Yonge St. Boxing Day shopper Jane Creba feel any less victimized. For sure, go out and have fun but know there is a gang turf war going on in Toronto and you could get caught in the middle of it at any time and anywhere. You may also want to take note of Toronto Police's unique approach in looking for this shooter. Telling reporters they don't want to contaminate the witness pool, they had as of late Sunday not released the description of the alleged gun-slinging coward - even though they know who it is. Normally public safety comes first before investigative considerations but they may very well have a plan in place to bring in the shooter - and indeed he did surrender to police early Monday morning. Their decision to keep his likeness away from the public is worth noting and shows the kind of pressure police are under when it comes to thinking court. They know, if they don't do everything just so, a sluggo like this could walk. The only one answer to combat the scourge of drug violence is for all ideologies, agencies, communities and governments to work together. To shut down the gangs, you need to amend the courts and time that cases languish there. It's not a time for sugar coating but a time for action. You need to toughen up bail, create handsomely paid snitch lines, invest in proper witness protection programs, immediately deportation of all convicted gangsters who don't have proper status and end any tolerance of the smuggling of any illegal contraband through First Nation's lands. It will be interesting to see if this obvious increase in violence has any relation (or retribution) to the three dozen Somali-born youth murdered, many from Toronto, in the last few years in Alberta in a war over drug trade. In Toronto, although it may not be good for tourism to say, there are 71 unsolved homicides in the past six years in our safe city - many by gun. There's more than one idiot out there who knows how to use a gun and is perhaps sitting right next to you at the food court. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:55:50 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Heartfelt thanks To Buz, for his dauntless contributions to the cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca and for his continued promise to us that he will continue . . we are indeed blessed Len Miller from Vancouver where . . well you know . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:45:23 -0300 From: DARLENEMUIR Subject: Re:The Enemy Within Given previous comments on this forum re: bear baiting it is apparent that the door swings both ways. Perhaps I should have commented on that one in detail but given the support for C-19 getting the "knuckle draggers" to walk upright in that regard alone is an uphill battle. Al >Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:32:38 -0700 >From: Todd Birch >Subject: The Enemy Within >On my most recent trip to the local gun emporium, I was shocked to learn >that on a regular basis, people make negative comments regarding the >handguns in the display case. I'm sure it happens elsewhere. >These go something like: "You can't legally hunt with them in Canada, so >there's no reason for anyone to have one. They're just designed for >killing."; etc., etc. You've all heard variations of the theme. >I presumed these folks to be semi-literate, red-neck 'knuckle draggers'. >Some are, but by no means are they the only ones. There are still those >out there that think things are OK so long as their magnum moose busters >and 'Bambi Blasters' are not targeted - yet. It wouldn't upset them if >all handguns were "grandfathered" and the SKS "Zombie" shooters as well. >Where in hell have these dipshitz been for the last 30 odd years? We >haven't been doing a good a job amongst our own ranks, too concerned >with the 'enemy without' and forgetting about the 'enemy within'. Time >to close ranks. Your guns could be next ..... >"Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: TO Eaton Centre suspect Christopher Husbands was on house arrest http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/04/toronto-eaton-centre-suspect-christopher-husbands-was-on-house-arrest-at-time-of-shooting/ Toronto Eaton Centre suspect Christopher Husbands was on house arrest at time of shooting National Post Staff Jun 4, 2012 – 2:11 PM ET | Last Updated: Jun 4, 2012 7:09 PM ET The man arrested over the gun rampage at the Toronto Eaton Centre on Saturday was on house arrest at the time of the shooting, police said today. Chistopher Husbands surrendered to police at 52 division early Monday morning. Det. Sgt. Brian Borg, of the homicide squad, said Mr. Husbands was under house arrest that forbade him from leaving his house at the time of the incident. The 23-year-old will be charged with one count of first degree murder and six counts of attempted murder this afternoon, but investigators do not believe the shooting to be gang-related. Although the alleged shooter, the deceased man and another shooting victim man are believed to belong to the same street gang, police believe “personal aspects” are involved. “There is no evidence of this being gang-related,” said Det. Sgt. Borg, the lead investigator. “I think they just came across each other, unfortunately in a very bad location.” “By no means is this investigation concluded,” Det. Sgt. Borg added. Police are still appealing to the public for information and video or photographs. Mayor Rob Ford and senior police brass continued to stress that Toronto is a safe city. “Let us not become too alarmist,” said Acting Deputy Chief Jeff McGuire. Police believe they have apprehended the lone person responsible for the Eaton Centre shooting. “There was one shooter, one gun, unfortunately that gun inflicted a substantial amount of human damage.” The Eaton Centre re-opened today with the only obvious sign of Saturday’s bloody chaos the closed food court where a gunman sprayed bullets, killing one person and wounding six others. As visitors and tourists began filling the mall, retailers said they felt reassured a suspect had turned himself in and was in custody today but said they were not particularly concerned about coming to work. Mayor Rob Ford told reporters Monday that he was “glad” there had been an arrest. “It’s a much better day than we had the last couple of days,” Ford said. Police say the man who died, 24-year-old Ahmed Hassan, is believed to have gang ties, although it’s not yet known if Saturday’s rampage was gang-related. Hassan was shot several times in what police called a targeted attack, and not a random act of violence. Of the six people wounded, two remain in hospital. A teenaged victim was in a coma in critical condition after surgery for a gunshot wound to his head and a 23-year-old man who suffered multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and abdomen is listed as critical. A 13-year-old Port Hope, Ont., boy had been enjoying an afternoon going to a movie with his mom and older sister when they got caught up in the bloody food-court mayhem. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:11:11 -0700 From: Todd Birch Subject: Fwd: Preach it, padre! You don't have to be religious to appreciate the truth of this man's message. He crucifies the socialist "nanny state" mentality. Subject: Preach it, padre! **PLEASE VIEW THE FOLLOWING VIDEO, FOR THE PRIEST NAILS IT!** *Stick with this thru the first few comments...you will be surprised. He talks about how socialism is incompatible with democracy, property rights and freedom. * *An outspoken Colorado priest was asked to lead thousands of delegates in prayer at the state Republican convention. * *What he said next caused quite a stir in the convention hall. See for yourself... * http://www.stthomasmore.org/parish-clergy/video/invocation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:04:00 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: DIGEST POSTING: From the Archives!!! The Responsible Firearms Owners of Alberta thank Howard Hamilton for his role in keeping the Canadian Firearms Digest relevant and a significant part of the movement to change gun laws in Canada. The CFD has been a continuing source of information for those engaged in the struggle, and has served as a means to educate many who are unaware of what is in store for gun owners under the Criminal Code of Canada. Once again thank you Howard. Jerrold Lundgard Responsible Firearms Owners of Alberta. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:16:22 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re:Harper's hunting panel includes groups backed by foreign If it is of any consolation Al, R.F.O.A. did not make the list either. We had the ear of Rob Anders at the R.F.O.A. AGM and Mr. Anders is sympathetic to the plight of gun owners who never had the opportunity to get a gun license. I have run into a number of C.P.C. M.P.s who seem to (at least claim to) care about the criminal liabilities attached to possession of a firearm without the correct valid license. Gun licenses keep guns out of the wrong hands - that is a cliche that is a lie. Under the current licensing system the gun license keeps guns out of the hands of the law abiding. If the law abiding person does not have a license, they do not get a gun as they obey the laws. If a law abiding person does have a license but can not possess certian sporting rifles, shotguns, and handguns because those guns are listed as prohibited, then that person has the "WRONG HANDS" to possess those guns. On the other hand, criminals - who by definition - have the wrong hands have no problem or hesitation in obtaining and using firearms. Bulatchi ( cop killer), Roszko (cop Killer), Mike Ferguson (Killer cop), Gamil Gharbi, Kimver Gill, and the miscreant who recently killed people at the Eatons Centre in Toronto were all the "wrong hands", yet the sanctions placed on guns (prohibitions) and gun owners (licensing and screening) did not stop them. It is time to remove the failed social experiment that is the Canadian firearms act and with it section 91 and 92 of the criminal code of Canada. It is time to remove the bureaucrats with a mandate to place restrictions like the gun laws on law abiding Canadians as well. It is time for the government, police, courts, and bureaucrats to focus on those who commit violent crime in Canada and leave the law abiding (including gun owners ) alone. At 11:21 PM 04/06/2012 -0300, you wrote: > >It is good to see that the NFA is not on this advisory committee, along >with the Firearms Advisory Committee or the C-19 witness list. They are >proving themselves to be more friends of gun owners then friends of >Harper's Cons. > >Al > > Date: Sat, June 2, 2012 11:01 am >From: "Dennis R. Young" >Subject: Harper's hunting panel includes groups backed by foreign money > >Harper's hunting panel includes groups backed by foreign money >BY JASON FEKETE, POSTMEDIA NEWS JUNE 1, 2012 >http://www.canada.com/news/Harper+hunting+panel+includes+groups+backed+foreign+money/6716667/story.html#ixzz1wdk7j336 > >OTTAWA - While the Conservatives accuse some Canadian environmental groups >of using foreign money to attack domestic interests, the government's new >hunting and fishing advisory panel includes organizations influenced and >funded by sources outside Canada. A handful of the organizations on the >government's new committee also are current or past recipients of funding >from Tides Canada, a charitable agency that supports environmental and >social causes - but which has been attacked by Conservative >parliamentarians for accepting foreign donations and distributing it to > groups lobbying against Canadian interests. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, June 5, 2012 10:20 am From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Bracing for Summer of the Gun 2 At 11:06 PM 04/06/2012 -0600, Dennis R. Young wrote: >TORONTO SUN - JUNE 5, 2012 >Bracing for Summer of the Gun 2 >BY JOE WARMINGTON, TORONTO SUN 282 COMMENTS >http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/03/heading-for-another-summer-of-the-gun > >"One idiot with a gun doesn't speak to the state of affairs of Toronto." - >Acting Deputy Chief Jeff McGuire If only it was just one idiot with a gun. >In packing for his new job as Niagara's police chief, Jeff McGuire may have >missed there has been more than 100 idiots with guns this year in Toronto - >dozens more than this time last year. Toronto's shootings in 2012 are on a >similar pace with the numbers of 2005's deadly Summer of the Gun - even >though Mayor Rob Ford said Sunday "this is the safest city in the world." >It wasn't this weekend - or so far this year. Not to mention it is simply bigotry to smear and blame every gun owner in Canada over the actions of "one idiot in Toronto" - like was done over twenty years ago over "one idiot" in Montreal It has been the agenda of those charged with enforcing the firearms act to treat every gun owner as if they were either of these idiots. Too bad bigotry is alive and well in Canada. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "bletchleypark@rogers.com" Subject: Re: The Enemy Within Sadly, the relentless and insidious stream of leftist media, anti-gun propaganda has worked its way into the ranks of the recreational firearms community. Todd has spotlighted the self serving attitude of some 'long-gunners'. "If I don't use it, you don't need it".   This destructive idea goes beyond a myopic view of some sport shooters and actually plays into the long term plans of the prohibitionists. Simply divide and conquer. It has proved extremely successful in the political past of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.   In a country constantly being bombarded with images, gladly provided and hyped up by the media, of indiscriminate handgun shootings by "disadvantaged and socially repressed" ethnic thugs, the public has come to believe that there are absolutely no redeeming qualities to handgun ownership.    Handguns are to be reviled and feared according to the 'new think'. In fact, even some long-gunners, as indicated below,  have been duped and co-opted into the ranks of the political hoplophobes by their desire to deflect personal criticism for their own dedication and use of their long-gun hunting at the expense of other segments of the firearms sporting community.   They are nothing but "useful idiots" in the universal plan for civilian disarmament. Shame on them.   Peter _______________________________ From: Todd Birch To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:32:38 PM Subject: The Enemy Within On my most recent trip to the local gun emporium, I was shocked to learn that on a regular basis, people make negative comments regarding the handguns in the display case. I'm sure it happens elsewhere. These go something like: "You can't legally hunt with them in Canada, so there's no reason for anyone to have one. They're just designed for killing."; etc., etc. You've all heard variations of the theme. I presumed these folks to be semi-literate, red-neck 'knuckle draggers'. Some are, but by no means are they the only ones. There are still those out there that think things are OK so long as their magnum moose busters and 'Bambi Blasters' are not targeted - yet. It wouldn't upset them if all handguns were "grandfathered" and the SKS "Zombie" shooters as well. Where in hell have these dipshitz been for the last 30 odd years? We haven't been doing a good a job amongst our own ranks, too concerned with the 'enemy without' and forgetting about the 'enemy within'. Time to close ranks. Your guns could be next ..... "Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:59:24 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Screwed Again http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/06/04/canada-un-arms-trade-treaty_n_1569016.html Canada has modified its controversial position on a United Nations arms control treaty. In a new position paper submitted to the UN, the federal government has dropped its proposal to exclude all sporting and hunting firearms from the international Arms Trade Treaty, an agreement that seeks to regulate the import, export and transfer of all conventional weapons. - -- * - ------- *REMEMBER: *If you don't fight for your rights NOW, you may not have the right to fight for them later!*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, June 5, 2012 11:42 am From: "mikeack" Subject: Fwd: Letter to the Editor For your information, and with thanks. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Letter to the Editor Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:40:38 -0300 From: mikeack To: letters@herald.ca On page B1 of today's Herald we read about the Eaton Center shooting in Toronto. The article continues on page B2 where TPS Det. Sgt. Borg is quoted to have opined, “There was one shooter, one gun. Unfortunately that gun inflicted a substantial amount of human damage.” What utter nonsense! The gun didn't do it, the idiotic human holding it did. Our hug-a-thug crime industry that goes by the misnomer "Justice System" allowed this convicted rapist to suffer unsupervised "grounding" for his prior violent crimes and by refusing to separate him from us with incarceration it thereby enabled his ability to commit this horrendous act. Our legal system is co-owner of this disaster along with the shooter himself. Not the gun, and most definitely not the millions of lawful firearms enthusiasts in Canada who will no doubt be yet again subjected to the misplaced ire of our rarefied liberal elite. Toronto's erstwhile mayor Miller's pogrom against GTA's centuries-old respectable gun clubs and businesses is entirely predictably an utter failure at enhancing public safety. Had the shooter abused a rifle, there would have been no end to the clamor and finger pointing at the Conservatives' recent removal of the long gun registry, but he in fact abused a pistol, the registration of which by lawful citizens has been the laughing stock of the criminal world for its entire 78-year existence. Gun registries of all kinds do nothing to reduce violence. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:55:55 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: "The enemy within" Digest V15 #119 On 4-Jun-12, at 10:01 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:32:38 -0700 > From: Todd Birch > Subject: The Enemy Within > > On my most recent trip to the local gun emporium, I was shocked to > learn > that on a regular basis, people make negative comments regarding the > handguns in the display case. I'm sure it happens elsewhere. > > These go something like: "You can't legally hunt with them in > Canada, so > there's no reason for anyone to have one. Actually, Canadians used to be able to hunt with handguns, and there is no logical reason why that can't be restored. Also, we have some who still do so after transporting them to the U.S. of A. > killing."; etc., etc. You've all heard variations of the theme. The personal sidearm was designed to protect life and that is a listed purpose for it in the Criminal Code. Just because such a permit is seldom granted to those outside of government employees(odd?), doesn't change the principle involved, which is derived from the Constitutional/Natural Right to Life. For those who work or live in particularly dangerous situations, a personal sidearm may be the most practical method. This would be especially so for those trying to go about their daily chores unencumbered by a long arm. Years ago I would have been in the "what do we need handguns for", but after knowing so many people who have lost relatives(most of them elderly) being murdered in home invasions in the last decade or so, I've had to acknowledge the wisdom of our ancestors. > I presumed these folks to be semi-literate, red-neck 'knuckle > draggers'. > Some are, but by no means are they the only ones. There are still > those > out there that think things are OK so long as their magnum moose > busters > and 'Bambi Blasters' are not targeted - yet. It wouldn't upset them if > all handguns were "grandfathered" and the SKS "Zombie" shooters as > well. Early on, I started using the question, "Do you think a government that doesn't trust citizens with a handgun of 200-300 ft/lbs of energy is really going to trust citizens with a firearm that has 10 times that power?" So far most everyone catches the meaning, especially with C-68 and most everyone knows or knows of ordinary citizens who have had firearms stolen by agents of the state. Few doubt a long term civilian disarmament future. > Where in hell have these dipshitz been for the last 30 odd years? We > haven't been doing a good a job amongst our own ranks, too concerned > with the 'enemy without' and forgetting about the 'enemy within'. Time > to close ranks. Your guns could be next ..... For those who like to do indoor target shooting in the winter, handguns are ideal and a challenge to master. > > "Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee". Every retailer should have posted that pre-C-68, Canadian law prevented the government from declaring Prohibited or Restricted those firearms "commonly used for sporting purposes". The Harper Conservative government has so far chosen not to re-instate that protection. Ask your M.P. why? ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #120 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)