From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #145 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, June 20 2012 Volume 15 : Number 145 In this issue: re: police "throw downs" Re: Jim and Larry discuss... Digest V15 #142 Re: Clive on political relativism- Digest V15 #142 Re: The Latest Crime-Solving Technique the Gun Lobby Doesn't The War on Terror Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #143 Ron Paul on Drones [Fwd: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required:] Re: Wiping data Re: firing pin ID Digest V15 #144 "Jews failed to spot Hitler's menace" GLOBAL NEWS - Misclassified weapons total passes 400 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:54:38 -0700 From: Todd Birch Subject: re: police "throw downs" Forgotten in this ill-conceived Utopian crime prevention scheme are the tens of thousands of revolvers out there that don't litter the ground with spent casings. Any fired casings are easily destroyed by crushing, melting, etc. When this finally dawns on the Illuminati, the cry will be to ban those evil guns which retain their brass. And what about all the .22 single shot pistols and revolvers? That's one awful lot of guns to 'mark' and the casings are everywhere. I've found them on my driveway after returning from the range, picked up by the tire tread and dislodged by gravel; one time a 9mm casing. I saw an interview of the British forensic scientist that was the original "Quincy". He was asked if there was such a thing as an unsolvable crime and responded with a scenario: "You are driving through a small town during the wee small hours on a rainy night and stop at the one and only traffic light. Someone pulls up beside you and you roll down the window as if to ask directions. The other driver opens his window and leans towards you to offer assistance. You shoot him in the eye with a .22 short pistol and carry on when the light changes." No witnesses, no motive, no empty casing unsolvable crime. He immediately regretted having said what he did, but remarked that was but one example he could come up with. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:04:51 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Jim and Larry discuss... Digest V15 #142 On 17-Jun-12, at 8:43 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:29:36 -0600 > From: "Jim Szpajcher" > Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #136 > > Larry - > > Thanks for the response. > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry James Fillo" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:35 PM > Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #136 > >> The only ideology attempting to wreck havoc as far and wide as they >> can is Islamo-fascism. It's loudest proponents have no hesitation in >> quoting chapter and verse of what drives them. > > You have been listening to Fox News for far too long. I seldom watch TV. I know Fox News out polls CNN but rarely even visit their web site. > No one who has ever > listened to the American Christian Right, and the government > factions that > they control, could mistake American government intention to > dominate and > crush anyone who opposes them. I understand there is a lot of bombastic rhetoric often without much in depth knowledge of the complexities outside of North America. Mainstream media influence is waning as those who wish to understand more can find websites authored by more knowledgeable people engaged in the subject. If there is a failing of the Christians, both right and left, it is the lack of alarm and action at the increased persecution in Muslim lands of Christians(in the west, too). This current one began after the Iranian Revolution in 1979 and the rise in influence of the Muslim Brotherhood in the 80s in Sunni countries. They assassinated Pres. Sadat of Egypt for signing a peace treaty with Israel and were banned and suppressed in Egypt until last year. The present Harper Conservative, actually opened a small sub- department in External Affairs advocating Religious Freedom. As there are significant populations of Copts and other refugees in Ottawa, I'm sure they do hear about it. Peter McKay's new wife and her father are activists against the repression occurring in their native Iran. > And - to quote your words - they have "no > hesitation in quoting chapter and verse of what drives them." To date I've not heard of Christians going out after leaving Sunday services and bombing and attacking unbelievers. They might denounce different sects beliefs but they aren't actively trying to wipe them out. Christ wasn't a 7th Century tribal Arab warlord. > > The U.S. National Security Strategy of 2002 re-stated U.S. Foreign > Policy. > As described by MSN Encarta, it "rests on three main pillars: a > doctine of > unrivaled military supremacy; Agreed the U.S. isn't perfect but PAX AMERICANA post WW2 has been a time of unparalleled lack of major war and expanded democracies e.i. Japan, South Korea. Ask the south sea nations how they feel about the prospect of being dominated by the Chinese armed forces. > the concept of preemptive or preventative war; Democracies generally avoid war, especially all out war and risk censure from their populations even for smaller conflicts that last very long e.i. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Prof.(emeritus) Victor Davis Hanson, a Prof. of Classics, argues that democracies hesitate to engage in full out war until they have no choice and then concentrate their force like no other for an overwhelming victory. They don't like long drawn out affairs even "police" actions. That hasn't happened since WW2. Rule of engagement have been limited in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, subsumed for longer term political goals. Real Imperial powers like Great Britain went in for the long haul and changed cultures. The Commonwealth countries, former English colonies and to the extent they adopted British education and parliamentary democracies surpassed, on average, those who did not have that experience. But it takes generations and supreme confidence to do that. The U.S. isn't a colonial power in the sense that European nations were from the 1500s to the early to mid 20th Century. I doubt the Philippines wanted to live under Japanese Imperialism. Totalitarian regimes don't worry much about that, but losing can cost their elites access to power, e.i. the Argentinine generals who started the Falklands War against Britain. That loss led to the restoration of democracy. Also, many totalitarian countries re- evaluated the effectiveness of Western troops after that little war. > and a willingness to act unilaterally if multilateral cooperation > cannot be > achieved. . . . With this policy, the Bush Administration withdrew > from the > Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, and the U.S. military budget > constitutes > [about half of all the global] spending on military supplies and > operations." If Iran continues on it's present course, many Middle-East countries and Europe ones will depend on U.S. missile defence technology. The only major U.S. military expansion announced by the Obama administration is for a base in Australia. This is to provide security to the nations in the area that have claims on the South China sea oil. China on the other hand doesn't want to share and isn't recognizing the claims of the smaller countries that have shared claims there. > > This would be all good, except that history has shown that nations > tend to > seek a balance of power. MSN Encarta notes: "By asserting that it > intends to > prevent other countries from "surpassing, or equaling, the power of > the > United States, [critics of the policy] say the Bush Administration > is simply > encouraging other nations to band against America." Nial Ferguson, and other economists predict Asian economies growth will mean a balance between the U.S. and other powers e.i. China and India. The U.S. does need to gets it's economic house in order and more productive to keep a leading position. Europe's demographics are against it as is Japan's. > > http://www.peace.ca/bushdoctrine.htm > > If you want chapter and verse about what drives those who continue > to push > for American domination of the world, and who "quote chapter and > verse of > what drives them", check out: > > http://www.newamericancentury.org/ > > What is happening between America (and its NATO lapdogs), and the > Islamic > "Terrorists" who are fighting them, is nothing more nor nothing > less than > assymetrical warfare. It costs the other side far less to wage this > war than > it costs America and NATO. I'm betting that while the "Terrorists" > will not > "win" in the conventional sense, they will force the U.S. and NATO > to change > their policy over time, as the West bogs down financially and is > unable to > sustain the campaign. Which, in the end, is victory for the other > side. The post 9/11 strategy has been to attempt to prevent failed states becoming havens for the most aggressive terrorist factions or attempt to destabilize their neighbours. That's why so much has been spent on trying to build up a functioning economy, so it can support a functional government in Afghanistan. Otherwise simply supporting the Northern Alliance would have been far cheaper. The question of what to do about Somalia is one that the world's major shipping nations will have to decide on at some point in the near future. > >> I do believe very much in our tradition of rights and freedoms. It >> is an exceptional heritage in human history. I try in my own small >> way to see that another generation will have a chance to enjoy as >> much of that tradition as possible. > > You are welcome to believe in our exceptional heritage. I would > suggest that > your pride in such is tempered so as not to fall into the mindset that > Eisenhower warned about. As I see it, this is not about a > functional UN > terminating everyone's membership who does not agree with our point > of view. The idea of the United Nations is to have nations work out conflicts without going to war if possible and refrain from trying to obliterate each other. Iran is as far as I recall, the only UN member nation promising publicly to destroy another UN member state Israel. The UN Declaration of Human Rights is a western ideal for all, as I say it's only the signatories of the OIC, who refuse to endorse it and signed the Cairo Declaration attesting to the supremacy of Sharia law. The Middle-East largely was made up of formerly tribal areas dominated by the Ottoman Empire. The Arabs sided with the British, as in Lawrence of Arabia, to help oust the Turks. > It is about learning that as the West fades from its position of > dominance > in Global Power, it will have to accept that others have pride in > their > heritage also - and are willing to die to stop us from imposing our > paradigm > on them. The refugees seek refuge in Western countries for a reason. The next generation in the west will have to be powerful enough to defend itself against imperial dictatorships. The culture of freedom in education, science, technology and capital and entrepreneurship did that well for the last 500 years. There is a reason why Chinese espionage is mostly technical, industrial and scientific. > > BTW - We just had a visit from a family friend who is currently > serving in > Afghanistan, and was home on leave. He is one of those who are in > country to > train the Afghan National Police. He is appalled at what the > Americans and > NATO are doing in Afghanistan, from their heavy handed style of > interaction > to their arrogance, ignorance, and air of superiority. That may be a contributory factor in the number of "green on blue" attacks. Canuck forces didn't face large amounts of that as I recall. Though we'll have to see how our trainers fare there. > This guy's background > is more than a decade in the 1980's Canadian military as an NCO, > and about > 20 years of experience as a Sergeant in a major Canadian > metropolitan police > force. He is the "token Canadian" in the unit that he is assigned > to, and he > is tired of being rebuffed, when he offers advice to fellow > soldiers (of > which very few have any "police" experience) with the reminder that > he is > "only a Sergeant", and that "their" side is "putting a billion > dollars a > month" into this effort, so will he just shut his mouth?". That doesn't surprise me. The two roles have much different mind- sets. NCOs, like Sergeants are where the rubber meets the road. They know not only how but also if policy can be implemented. > > I was reminded of a blend of "Groundhog Day" and "Catch-22" in his > description of how things are going. > > He had volunteered for this assignment with hopes of being able to > contribute to the process. Needless to say, he is most eagerly looking > forward to putting this particular experience behind him, and was > grudgingly > headed back incountry next week for the rest of his tour. We wish him > Godspeed and a safe return. I hope he and others will write about their experience. > > Thank you again, for taking the time to post your thoughts. > > Jim Szpajcher > St. Paul, AB > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:15:00 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Clive on political relativism- Digest V15 #142 On 17-Jun-12, at 8:43 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:09:46 -0700 > From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> > Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #136 > > > "The U.S. National Security Strategy of 2002 re-stated U.S. Foreign > Policy. > As described by MSN Encarta, it "rests on three main pillars: a > doctine of > unrivaled military supremacy; the concept of preemptive or > preventative war; > and a willingness to act unilaterally if multilateral cooperation > cannot be > achieved. . . . With this policy, the Bush Administration withdrew > from the > Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, and the U.S. military budget > constitutes > [about half of all the global] spending on military supplies and > operations." > > Jim > > While I disagree with America's policy of undeclared wars, they at > least had > a moral argument when they declared they were exporting American > freedom to > those less fortunate around the world. Anyone who thinks the > Patriot Act, > the National Defense Authorization Act, and many other American > laws and > regulations constitute freedom that should be visited on Americans > let alone > foreigners is beyond dopey. Yes, there is a contradiction that needs to be resolved, which is much different in totalitarian societies where no contradiction exists. Israel discriminates against only those most likely to be terrorists, political correctness has so far prevented the U.S.A and Canada from doing that. Sometime the West will have to reconcile that it is a very small, recognizable minority committing or conspiring to terrorist acts. That is who the security agencies are actual arresting. The policy of multi-culturalism prevents that from happening so far. > > It seems Americans are too close to see how low freedom has sunk in > the > grand scheme of things. Freedom is so far gone in America that the > Chinese, > Arabs and Russians have a valid argument that the Americans are no > better > than they are, and possibly a good deal worse. That sentence is so far from reality, it is it's own satire. I presume you can point to large numbers of political refugees trying to and being admitted to China, Saudi Arabia and Russia. Russia has some economic refugees from it's former empire, that is due to the wealth of their oil/natural gas export economy. Do you have any idea how brutally they put down the Chechyn Islamist uprising? No? Remember the reporter assassinated for criticizing that? China, you wouldn't even be allowed to post on a net forum digest like this. The only refugees they get are a few North Koreans trying to escape starving to death. They end up going to South Korea. Saudi Arabia, even the foreign oil workers and experts are only really safe in their compounds. > > Clive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:31:14 -0700 From: Albert4 Subject: Re: The Latest Crime-Solving Technique the Gun Lobby Doesn't 10x@telus.net wrote: > At , you wrote: >> The Latest Crime-Solving Technique the Gun Lobby Doesn’t Like > > What is really stopping this technology from being used is "throw down > shell cases" from police ranges. > A criminal commits a crime with a gun with cartriges obtained from a police > officer, or throws down spent cases from a police range and the police have > all sorts of questions to answer - like why were cartridges from your gun > found at a crime scene. Nope, this will be a non-issue. It'll be handled the same as the current "driving-while-texting" law in BC. The Police will be exempt. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:34:11 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: The War on Terror "There is nothing shocking about the Muslim Brotherhood, actually ... as the Brotherhood has evidently and obviously been penetrated at the top by US Intel for decades. As we've reported numerous times in the past, the Brotherhood is a Trojan horse that US Intel intends to utilize throughout the Middle East as the chosen vehicle to take advantage of the phony Arab Spring that US Intel has also been behind, along with other elite forces of Western destabilization. The power elite has obviously created a controlled Islamic opposition in the Middle East. This is necessary to continue the phony war on terror, which is a disguised attack on the freedoms of Western middle classes." http://www.thedailybell.com/4006/Islamic-Psyop-Israel-Worries-About-Egypt-We - -Told-You-So The Patriot Act, the War on Terror, the undeclared wars in the middle east.a bit too pat, don't you think? Of course while we're focused on our little bit of freedom, the canary in the coal mine of gun ownership, the larger world is falling down about our ears. Clive Edwards "When a madman or gang banger goes on a spree, the question "Why did he have a gun?" is always asked instead of "Why didn't anyone else?" - - Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:44:48 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #143 I suspect, Buchanan is right on this one. It's a mess and will be afterwards, too. If there is a war going to erupt between Iran and the Sunni states it will affect far outside the Middle-East. Saudi Arabia just announced the purchase of 600-800 Leopard tanks from Germany. That is a big purchase. The Saudis have two armed forces, a national one and a House of Saud one, but still that is a lot of tanks. On 18-Jun-12, at 4:35 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:18:48 -0600 > From: "Joe Gingrich" > Subject: Dress rehearsal for a Mideast war? > > http://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/15/pat-buchanan-dress-rehearsal- > for-a-mideast-war/ > > Dress rehearsal for a Mideast war? > > By: Patrick J. Buchanan > 6/15/2012 > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:06:25 -0700 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: Ron Paul on Drones I see a marketing opportunity for John Deere: The green and yellow "DroneKiller" (made in China, they shouldn't cost more than a couple of grand each.. They could be sold for less overseas, of course.) http://www.thedailybell.com/4005/Ron-Paul-Unconstitutional-Uses-of-Drones-Must-Stop "Do we want to live in a country where our government constantly flies aircraft overhead to make sure we are not doing anything it disapproves of? Already the Environmental Protection Agency uses drone surveillance to spy on farmers and ranchers to see if they are in compliance with regulations. Local law enforcement agencies are eyeing drone use with great anticipation. Do we really want to live under the watchful eye of "Big Brother"? It is terrifying enough to see how drones are being misused abroad. We must curtail the government's ability use drones right away lest the massacres in Yemen and Pakistan turn out to be crude training exercises for what the administration has in mind on our own soil." And of course drones would be used to spy on us when we go hunting, or handgun shooting on the back forty. I also wonder what sensors MacDonald Dettwiler of Richmond, BC are making available for drones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacDonald,_Dettwiler_and_Associates Clive Edwards "When a madman or gang banger goes on a spree, the question "Why did he have a gun?" is always asked instead of "Why didn't anyone else?" - - Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:53:09 -0600 (CST) From: cfdmod@bogend.ca Subject: [Fwd: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca: Approval required:] We rarely have much levity on the Digest. Most here can remember the early days of the "Cold War". Manipulating us was so much less refined in those days. Watch the video. http://www.thedailybell.com/4009/VIDEO-Sad-Scenes-From-the-1950s-If-the-Bomb - -Explodes-Duck-and-Cover Clive Edwards "When a madman or gang banger goes on a spree, the question "Why did he have a gun?" is always asked instead of "Why didn't anyone else?" - - Todd Birch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:13:48 -0600 From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Re: Wiping data M.J. Ackermann wrote: >On 2012-04-18 01:25, Barry wrote: >> I do find it hilarious for the government to suggest that it will take >> "perhaps months" to destroy those flaky firearms records. >> If it were information pertaining to some scandal, the previous >> government could make those records disappear in a matter of hours. > > >It only took a few minutes for them to bury Albina Guarnieri's report.... It wasn't buried so much as shredded... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:56:05 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re: firing pin ID Digest V15 #144 On 19-Jun-12, at 12:59 PM, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 05:53:38 -0600 > From: 10x@telus.net > Subject: Re: The Latest Crime-Solving Technique the Gun Lobby Doesn't > > At , you wrote: >> The Latest Crime-Solving Technique the Gun Lobby Doesn’t Like >> Marking bullets with tiny codes could fight crime, but there's a >> battle >> raging over using such technology >> By ADAM COHEN | @adamscohen | June 18, 2012 | >> http://ideas.time.com/2012/06/18/the-latest-crime-solving- >> technique-the-gun > - -lobby-doesnt-like/ >> >> It sounds like something from a futuristic thriller: police pick >> up spent >> bullet shells, find a tiny code on them that reveals what gun they >> were > shot >> from and then use the ID to track down the killer. The technology >> to do >> this, called microstamping, is actually available today, but what’s > stopping >> it from being used — and many criminals from being caught — is > politics. > > What is really stopping this technology from being used is "throw down > shell cases" from police ranges. > A criminal commits a crime with a gun with cartriges obtained from > a police > officer, or throws down spent cases from a police range and the > police have > all sorts of questions to answer - like why were cartridges from > your gun > found at a crime scene. Yes, that would be ironic, but even now detective stories abound where DNA evidence of an innocent party is accumulated and left at the scene of a crime, e.i. hair from a hairbrush, or even DNA from a used condom. It's circumstantial evidence but without a really good alibi... it may be enough to get anyone charged. Of course, even now, we've read that guns for rent by and for criminal use have different prices, the more expensive not being traceable and brand new. It's not that difficult to lap a barrel and change it's signature, or even replace barrels. Altering or changing out firing pins would be cheaper and easier than barrels. It's just another perk of being a "professional" criminal, keeping up with the technology. There are some criminals who prefer to use revolvers, as the issue of spent casings lying around isn't an issue. There are always these neat little tech fixes, that people who don't know how anything about machines or the physical world come up with, and think they are just so clever. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:17:45 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Jews failed to spot Hitler's menace" Civilization is a wonderful thing, but sometimes it's veneer is thinner than one might expect. http://forward.com/articles/157832/jews-failed-to-spot-hitlers- menace/?p=all#ixzz1yHOE379z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, June 20, 2012 8:49 am From: "Dennis R. Young" Subject: GLOBAL NEWS - Misclassified weapons total passes 400 GLOBAL NEWS - Misclassified weapons total passes 400 By Patrick Cain, Global News : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:03 PM http://www.globalnews.ca/interactive/120619_firearms/ A Global News investigation has found dozens more misclassified firearms which might be deleted with the long gun registry. Yesterday, Global News reported finding 361 handguns and three automatic weapons classified as if they were mainstream rifles or shotguns, which, all other things being equal, means that their data will be deleted. Since that story appeared, we have found more than 120 weapons in the firearms registry which aren't classified at all. They include 33 handguns - prohibited or restricted weapons, depending on barrel length - and 12 automatic weapons, which may or may not have been converted to semi-automatic fire. "(Under Bill C-19) If there is a record relating to a firearm that is not prohibited or restricted, it needs to be destroyed," Ottawa lawyer Solomon Friedman explains. "I think what this highlights more than anything is the level of inaccuracy in the registry in the first place: that you can have a Glock there in the data that has no class." However, after being provided with the erroneous data, The RCMP now says it will investigate and correct any errors before deleting the long gun data base. "The records pointed out by Global News had been flagged for follow up. Such records would not be destroyed if, after verification, they turn out to actually be restricted or prohibited firearms," said Greg Cox, a media relations officer with the force. This is in addition to an on-going process to clean up the registry prior to deletion. "The deletion of this data is a complex process, which includes sorting records of restricted and prohibited firearms from those of non-restricted firearms, so that the restricted and prohibited records are not destroyed. In some cases, owners of restricted and prohibited firearms have erroneously registered them as non-restricted. The CFP has ongoing data quality control procedures to find and flag these errors by firearm owners, and correct them." The new batch of firearms include two home-made Sten guns - simply designed British sub-machine guns produced in large numbers during the Second World War - 15 revolvers and 18 semi-automatic handguns. There is also an Austrian-made sub-machine gun described as 'experimental'. Automatic weapons and converted automatic weapons are both classed as prohibited weapons. (Legally, firearms in Canada must be categorized as non-restricted, restricted or prohibited. Bill C-19, possed into law in April, requires officials to delete information on firearms which are not classified as restricted or prohibited. These ‘non-restricted’ categorized weapons are form what is typically referred to as the long gun registry.) The new discoveries bring the total of restricted and prohibited weapons in line to be erroneously deleted with the long gun registry to 407. Part of the root of the problem lay in the design of the registry, argues John Evers of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association: "They wrote software which made it possible to make a simple mouse-click error. The system allowed you to register a handgun as non-restricted. Any good software engineer would have made sure that can't happen - that once you select 'handgun' you can't select 'non-restricted,' but the system let them do it." "We were not all that co-operative,” Evers says of some gun owners’ response to the registry process. “I know several people who put down everything as unknown - unknown make, unknown serial number, because the law said that if you made an error, you were liable for those errors. So to be safe, they said they didn't know. A lot of my guns are 'unknown make/unknown model' as a protest against what they are trying to do." A redacted copy of the national firearms database, including the doomed long gun data, was released to Global News under access-to-information laws in May. "These facts should give the government of so called 'law and order' serious reasons to review those facts very carefully before destroying all data from the long gun registry," said Opposition justice critic Françoise Boivin. "First to protect all good law abiding Canadian citizens who registered their guns and second in the name of basic public security." Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the new findings are another reason the registry needed to be scrapped. - --------------------------------- 395,515 RESTRICTED & PROHIBITED GUNS STILL TO BE RE-REGISTERED http://nfa.ca/sites/default/files/RCMP-ATI-Handguns-to-be-Re-Registered.pdf ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V15 #145 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's email: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)